[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: generic training server with predictable data
Hello everyone, My name is Don Butterworth. I am the Head of Technical Services at Asbury Theological Seminary and have been lurking on this list for the last couple of months. Late last year our library migrated from Horizon to Symphony. After having worked with the cataloging and acquisitions modules for over six months, it is my personal opinion that our department's efficiency has been reduced by at least 20%. Because of that, if I can convince the powers that be, I hope to set up an Evergreen test database here on campus, so that we can get a feel for the software, workflow, and level of IT involvement. Then, when the Acquisitions module is released in 2.0, thoroughly test it to see if it is a viable alternative to Symphony. I have files of OCLC MARC records, for all of last year's acquisitions, which I plan to import as our test database; about 10,000 records. If it is legal, I believe I can convince our administration to contribute them to an RSCEL training server, if that would be helpful. Don Don Butterworth Faculty Associate / Librarian III B.L. Fisher Library Asbury Theological Seminary don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu (859) 858-2227 The opinions expressed are strictly my own and should not be considered as any official opinion, endorsement or statement by Asbury Theological Seminary. - Original Message - From: Lori Bowen Ayre lori.a...@galecia.com To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:51:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] generic training server with predictable data Oh. Like that suggestion. No reason we couldn't keep the same data set on an available training server AND on as part of the Evergreen source. Lori On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Dan Scott d...@coffeecode.net wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 17:09 -0700, Lori Bowen Ayre wrote: Hi All, I posted info about this idea and got a big 'ol nothing in response so I wanted to try one more time to verify that it really is of no interest to anyone. It is of interest, I just have a slight variation on your suggestion which really hearkens back to a suggestion I pitched many moons ago. (I think the first time might have been http://markmail.org/message/dbwre7cqhmmnnlrv but I know I've discussed it in several other forums since then...) Here's the ideaas one of the RSCEL projects, were thinking of setting up a training server which would have a current version of Evergreen loaded, would be accessible to anyone (much like the demo servers) but we'd make sure we kept it totally current with one matching client software download. We'd also keep data in there that you could rely on being there for training (so we'd have to refresh it on some regular basis). Eventually, we'd contribute some exercises that people could use in their training which would use that training server and data. The idea is that you would then not have to worry about how to train your people on your own Evergreen server at the same time you were trying to get ready to go live. Also, by sharing the same data and server set-up, we could all contribute training exercises. So, if you think this would be useful or you think it would be a waste of time...please advise. Friendly amendments are also encouraged. We want to do something that helps people so if this wouldn't help anyone, we RSCELs will focus our attention somewhere else! Rather than having this data sitting just on a training server RSCEL, I think it would be much more useful to have the sample data sets available as part of the Evergreen source. This would enable every Evergreen install to (optionally) have a reference set of data to work with locally. We could build documentation / training based on those sample sets of data, but also build tests on those sample sets of data to ensure that the SQL schema hasn't been broken the data can actually load, a given server is working as expected, and that a given report returns the expected results, and that a given API call generates the expected effects. This could also be a useful basis on which to build tests of the migration scripts. I do think that having an up-to-date training server always at the ready would be a valuable thing and support that goal; I just think that it's potentially more important to have a canonical set of sample data available as part of the Evergreen source.
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Using RFID with Evergreen
Lori, I did not hear back from anyone. Sorry. Rick -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Lori Bowen Ayre Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 10:05 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Using RFID with Evergreen Rich, Did you ever get any responses to this? I'm interested in know anyone who is using RFID with Evergreen as well. I'd like to know who's equipment they are using as well. Lori On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Rush Austin rush.aus...@buncombecounty.org wrote: Hello All, We (Buncombe County Public Libraries) are interested in hearing from any libraries using RFID with Evergreen. Rush Austin Systems Analyst Buncombe County IT 828-250-6880 rush.aus...@buncombecounty.org http://rush.aus...@buncombecounty.org
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** ***SPAM*** Re: generic training server with predictable data
I think that's a great idea and also like Dan's suggestion of including the sample data in the source so we can populate our own test system. I'm not sure we would use the sample data for end-user training, but see a huge benefit for consortia staff in learning Evergreen. One of the big hurdles we are trying to overcome is the learning curve in setting up Evergreen. A test system with some real looking libraries, circulation rules, shelving locations, bib records, statistical codes, patrons, etc. may not look anything like what our final goal is, but certainly gives us something to begin using, react to, test with etc. The other benefit of the sample data is the exercise of loading the data into the database. We know how to get our data out of our current system, and having templates to create our own load scripts would be great. -- Martha Driscoll Systems Manager North of Boston Library Exchange Danvers, Massachusetts www.noblenet.org Lori Bowen Ayre wrote: Hi All, I posted info about this idea and got a big 'ol nothing in response so I wanted to try one more time to verify that it really is of no interest to anyone. Here's the ideaas one of the RSCEL projects, were thinking of setting up a training server which would have a current version of Evergreen loaded, would be accessible to anyone (much like the demo servers) but we'd make sure we kept it totally current with one matching client software download. We'd also keep data in there that you could rely on being there for training (so we'd have to refresh it on some regular basis). Eventually, we'd contribute some exercises that people could use in their training which would use that training server and data. The idea is that you would then not have to worry about how to train your people on your own Evergreen server at the same time you were trying to get ready to go live. Also, by sharing the same data and server set-up, we could all contribute training exercises. So, if you think this would be useful or you think it would be a waste of time...please advise. Friendly amendments are also encouraged. We want to do something that helps people so if this wouldn't help anyone, we RSCELs will focus our attention somewhere else! Thanks for your feedback! Lori Ayre
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] generic training server with predictable data
Regardless of how this is set up, an always available test server complete with training documents, dummy patrons, sample exercises with results that illustrate features of Evergreen and etc. would have saved me oodles and oodles of time when developing our training program prior to migration. Now that we've migrated, I don't know how much we'd use it (generally we train new staff on our live version), but if future releases brought such significant changes we'd want to retrain staff before going live, again, something like this would be a life saver . . . Marla Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] generic training server with predictable data From: Lori Bowen Ayre lori.a...@galecia.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:51:25 -0700 To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Oh. Like that suggestion. No reason we couldn't keep the same data set on an available training server AND on as part of the Evergreen source. Lori On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Dan Scott d...@coffeecode.net wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 17:09 -0700, Lori Bowen Ayre wrote: Hi All, I posted info about this idea and got a big 'ol nothing in response so I wanted to try one more time to verify that it really is of no interest to anyone. It is of interest, I just have a slight variation on your suggestion which really hearkens back to a suggestion I pitched many moons ago. (I think the first time might have been http://markmail.org/message/dbwre7cqhmmnnlrv but I know I've discussed it in several other forums since then...) Here's the ideaas one of the RSCEL projects, were thinking of setting up a training server which would have a current version of Evergreen loaded, would be accessible to anyone (much like the demo servers) but we'd make sure we kept it totally current with one matching client software download. We'd also keep data in there that you could rely on being there for training (so we'd have to refresh it on some regular basis). Eventually, we'd contribute some exercises that people could use in their training which would use that training server and data. The idea is that you would then not have to worry about how to train your people on your own Evergreen server at the same time you were trying to get ready to go live. Also, by sharing the same data and server set-up, we could all contribute training exercises. So, if you think this would be useful or you think it would be a waste of time...please advise. Friendly amendments are also encouraged. We want to do something that helps people so if this wouldn't help anyone, we RSCELs will focus our attention somewhere else! Rather than having this data sitting just on a training server RSCEL, I think it would be much more useful to have the sample data sets available as part of the Evergreen source. This would enable every Evergreen install to (optionally) have a reference set of data to work with locally. We could build documentation / training based on those sample sets of data, but also build tests on those sample sets of data to ensure that the SQL schema hasn't been broken the data can actually load, a given server is working as expected, and that a given report returns the expected results, and that a given API call generates the expected effects. This could also be a useful basis on which to build tests of the migration scripts. I do think that having an up-to-date training server always at the ready would be a valuable thing and support that goal; I just think that it's potentially more important to have a canonical set of sample data available as part of the Evergreen source. --
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Using RFID with Evergreen
Lori and Rich, The National Weather Center Library uses RFID self-check-out with the Evergreen software. We use the 3M RFID tags, and have used it with Evergreen for about a year and a half now. We also had Equinox install the software, maintain it and host our catalog on their server. I'm not a tech person, so all I can really say is that the RFID tags work fine. I'll be happy to try to answer any questions that you have. Ginny Ginny Dietrich Librarian National Weather Center Library 120 David L. Boren Boulevard, Room 4300 Norman, OK 73072 (405) 325-1171 gdietr...@ou.edu From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Lori Bowen Ayre Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:05 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Using RFID with Evergreen Rich, Did you ever get any responses to this? I'm interested in know anyone who is using RFID with Evergreen as well. I'd like to know who's equipment they are using as well. Lori On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Rush Austin rush.aus...@buncombecounty.orgmailto:rush.aus...@buncombecounty.org wrote: Hello All, We (Buncombe County Public Libraries) are interested in hearing from any libraries using RFID with Evergreen. Rush Austin Systems Analyst Buncombe County IT 828-250-6880 rush.aus...@buncombecounty.orghttp://rush.aus...@buncombecounty.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: generic training server with predictable data
Hi Don, That would be great! Thanks. Based on some of the feedback Im getting this time around, I'd say this effort is a go afterall. I'll be in touch about getting those records. Lori P.S. I've been to your Kentucky campusyears ago for Ichthus. Small world. On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 5:23 AM, Don Butterworth don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu wrote: Hello everyone, My name is Don Butterworth. I am the Head of Technical Services at Asbury Theological Seminary and have been lurking on this list for the last couple of months. Late last year our library migrated from Horizon to Symphony. After having worked with the cataloging and acquisitions modules for over six months, it is my personal opinion that our department's efficiency has been reduced by at least 20%. Because of that, if I can convince the powers that be, I hope to set up an Evergreen test database here on campus, so that we can get a feel for the software, workflow, and level of IT involvement. Then, when the Acquisitions module is released in 2.0, thoroughly test it to see if it is a viable alternative to Symphony. I have files of OCLC MARC records, for all of last year's acquisitions, which I plan to import as our test database; about 10,000 records. If it is legal, I believe I can convince our administration to contribute them to an RSCEL training server, if that would be helpful. Don Don Butterworth Faculty Associate / Librarian III B.L. Fisher Library Asbury Theological Seminary don.butterwo...@asburyseminary.edu (859) 858-2227 The opinions expressed are strictly my own and should not be considered as any official opinion, endorsement or statement by Asbury Theological Seminary. - Original Message - From: Lori Bowen Ayre lori.a...@galecia.com To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:51:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] generic training server with predictable data Oh. Like that suggestion. No reason we couldn't keep the same data set on an available training server AND on as part of the Evergreen source. Lori On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Dan Scott d...@coffeecode.net wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 17:09 -0700, Lori Bowen Ayre wrote: Hi All, I posted info about this idea and got a big 'ol nothing in response so I wanted to try one more time to verify that it really is of no interest to anyone. It is of interest, I just have a slight variation on your suggestion which really hearkens back to a suggestion I pitched many moons ago. (I think the first time might have been http://markmail.org/message/dbwre7cqhmmnnlrv but I know I've discussed it in several other forums since then...) Here's the ideaas one of the RSCEL projects, were thinking of setting up a training server which would have a current version of Evergreen loaded, would be accessible to anyone (much like the demo servers) but we'd make sure we kept it totally current with one matching client software download. We'd also keep data in there that you could rely on being there for training (so we'd have to refresh it on some regular basis). Eventually, we'd contribute some exercises that people could use in their training which would use that training server and data. The idea is that you would then not have to worry about how to train your people on your own Evergreen server at the same time you were trying to get ready to go live. Also, by sharing the same data and server set-up, we could all contribute training exercises. So, if you think this would be useful or you think it would be a waste of time...please advise. Friendly amendments are also encouraged. We want to do something that helps people so if this wouldn't help anyone, we RSCELs will focus our attention somewhere else! Rather than having this data sitting just on a training server RSCEL, I think it would be much more useful to have the sample data sets available as part of the Evergreen source. This would enable every Evergreen install to (optionally) have a reference set of data to work with locally. We could build documentation / training based on those sample sets of data, but also build tests on those sample sets of data to ensure that the SQL schema hasn't been broken the data can actually load, a given server is working as expected, and that a given report returns the expected results, and that a given API call generates the expected effects. This could also be a useful basis on which to build tests of the migration scripts. I do think that having an up-to-date training server always at the ready would be a valuable thing and support that goal; I just think that it's potentially more important to have a canonical set of sample data available as part of the Evergreen source.
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Report for weeding
Hi all, I'm looking for a report that identifies titles that have not circulated in 3 years. I was wondering if anyone had a similar report - or any other report useful to weeding - that they wouldn't mind sharing? Cheers, Caroline Derksen Area Librarian Williams Lake Branch Library Suite A 180 North 3rd Avenue Williams Lake, BC V2G 2A4 P: 250-392-3630 Ext 220 F: 250-392-3518 DISCLAIMER* This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the named addressee, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail. If you have received this e-mail by mistake, delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that using, disclosing, copying or distributing the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. DISCLAIMER*
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: generic training server with predictable data
I like this idea. We are still doing research, so if there was a demo we coudl practice on that would be greatly helpful in convincing the staff and the city this is the way to go. We would also be prepared for installation and for training. Great idea Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Lori Bowen Ayre [lori.a...@galecia.com] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:51 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] generic training server with predictable data Oh. Like that suggestion. No reason we couldn't keep the same data set on an available training server AND on as part of the Evergreen source. Lori On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Dan Scott d...@coffeecode.netmailto:d...@coffeecode.net wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 17:09 -0700, Lori Bowen Ayre wrote: Hi All, I posted info about this idea and got a big 'ol nothing in response so I wanted to try one more time to verify that it really is of no interest to anyone. It is of interest, I just have a slight variation on your suggestion which really hearkens back to a suggestion I pitched many moons ago. (I think the first time might have been http://markmail.org/message/dbwre7cqhmmnnlrv but I know I've discussed it in several other forums since then...) Here's the ideaas one of the RSCEL projects, were thinking of setting up a training server which would have a current version of Evergreen loaded, would be accessible to anyone (much like the demo servers) but we'd make sure we kept it totally current with one matching client software download. We'd also keep data in there that you could rely on being there for training (so we'd have to refresh it on some regular basis). Eventually, we'd contribute some exercises that people could use in their training which would use that training server and data. The idea is that you would then not have to worry about how to train your people on your own Evergreen server at the same time you were trying to get ready to go live. Also, by sharing the same data and server set-up, we could all contribute training exercises. So, if you think this would be useful or you think it would be a waste of time...please advise. Friendly amendments are also encouraged. We want to do something that helps people so if this wouldn't help anyone, we RSCELs will focus our attention somewhere else! Rather than having this data sitting just on a training server RSCEL, I think it would be much more useful to have the sample data sets available as part of the Evergreen source. This would enable every Evergreen install to (optionally) have a reference set of data to work with locally. We could build documentation / training based on those sample sets of data, but also build tests on those sample sets of data to ensure that the SQL schema hasn't been broken the data can actually load, a given server is working as expected, and that a given report returns the expected results, and that a given API call generates the expected effects. This could also be a useful basis on which to build tests of the migration scripts. I do think that having an up-to-date training server always at the ready would be a valuable thing and support that goal; I just think that it's potentially more important to have a canonical set of sample data available as part of the Evergreen source.
