[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Evergreen Community Web Team Planning Committee - Notes, 1/5/11

2011-01-06 Thread Amy Terlaga

FYI

The notes from yesterday's Evergreen Community Web Team Planning 
Committee meeting have been posted:


http://www.open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=egwebteamnotes-1-5-2011

If you have any questions about these notes, you can email me at 
terl...@biblio.org.


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Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Serials in 2.0: anyone working on import script for existing MFHD records

2011-01-06 Thread Tim Spindler
I just wanted to re-ask this so I am absolutely clear.  Once your (Dan
Wells) development is complete, to migrate serials all we should have to do
is

1. Export Bib records with MFHD from old system
2. Import bib records through Vandelay
3. Evergreen will display existing holdings based on the MFHD holdings info
4. Prediction schedule for tracking and receiving of serials will be created

Thanks,  i just want to be sure I have no false assumptions.

Tim Spindler

Manager of Library Applications

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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Repke de Vries re...@xs4all.nl wrote:

 Hello's Dan (Wells)

 sounds very reasonable - though I may have some questions for you tomorrow
 to fully understand your approach (like:  your point of departure are the
 raw MFHD data Dan Scott's marc2sre import script puts into the Evergreen
 database?)

 And will send you a sample of the IISH MFHD records.

 Your statements 1 and 2 anyway are very reassuring: to preserve the
 original, already existing MFHD record(s) belonging to a bibliographic
 record, keep these as a fall back mechanism and at the same time have all
 new, serials *management* related data available, should mean that even
 after a few years it will still be possible to export to MFHD and have the
 full original again + any changes  additions that happened along the way.

 Coming back to you off list with those example records, Repke

 Op 5-jan-2011, om 20:30 heeft Dan Wells het volgende geschreven:


  Hello Repke,

 Would it be possible to get a few of your MFHD records for testing?  I am
 interested to see if they are very different from my own experience.

 As it stands, the general assumption is that MFHD records are used to
 describe holdings for the primary purpose of generating a holdings
 statement.  The new database tables do that too, but also other things
 concerning the day-to-day management of serials.  As opposed to the actual
 holdings statement, this management data is very much ephemeral.

 Our plan right now is to *not* immediately populate the new tables with
 historical data.  Rather, since the new data is internally converted to MFHD
 anyway, both the MFHD and the internal data will be considered
 simultaneously when generating the holdings statement (the last bits of
 logic to make this happen are still being tested, but I am confident they
 will be ready to commit soon).  This provides several immediate benefits:

 1) The original MFHD record is fully preserved, with no chance of being
 mangled by the system.
 2) The MFHD record can be used at any time as a fallback mechanism should
 the new system not properly accommodate a given situation.
 3) We do not need to write an import script :)

 All of this is likely to change as the system matures, but the weaning can
 be gradual and perhaps always optional.

 Does this sound reasonable?

 Thanks,
 Dan


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 Hekman Library at Calvin College
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  On 1/5/2011 at 12:31 PM, Repke de Vries re...@xs4all.nl wrote:

 Hi all

 with Serials in 2.0  I mean the new database setup introduced by
 Dan Wells + two sets of functionalities on top of that: Serial
 Control View and Alternate Serial Control (by two different
 programming teams).

 And my question goes back to an early november 2010 Evergreen  2.0
 alpha4 discussion [1]  where we had to conclude that an importing
 script for MARC MFHD records to populate all the Serials 2.0
 database tables, did *not* yet exist - though several libraries (ours
 among them) expressed the need for it [2].

 I wonder where we are now: anyone working on such a MFHD MARC records
 importing script or approach?

 Our library might be able to contribute but one would expect that at
 least some script exists by now that could be further refined.

 How else could we seriously introduce these new Evergreen 2.0 Serials
 features if we can't get the data in (not to mention: export them
 again) :-)

 Yours, Repke de Vries, IISH

 [1]  http://markmail.org/message/75tlejvni3mit5ke
 [2]  I do *not* mean the MFHD options  + importing scripts introduced
 by Dan Scott in EG 1.6







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Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Serials in 2.0: anyone working on import script for existing MFHD records

2011-01-06 Thread Galen Charlton
Hi,

On Jan 6, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Tim Spindler wrote:
 4. Prediction schedule for tracking and receiving of serials will be created

I can't speak to what Dan is coding, but one thing that i should point out is 
that MFHDs generally don't record the date of the next expected issue (or any 
proxy for when to start a predication cycle), so necessarily some additional 
information would need to be supplied to pick up .  A direct export MFHD from 
ILS X/import MFHD into Evergreen function will almost certainly need an 
intermediate step of data processing and extraction.

Regards,

Galen
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Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] SIP2 test server

2011-01-06 Thread Joe Atzberger
To clarify what Jason is saying, you cannot achieve SIP configuration just
through the staff client.  It requires system level access, which makes
sense considering it creates listeners on additional ports.

Also, version 1.2.4.0 is ancient.

--joe


Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Serials in 2.0: anyone working on import script for existing MFHD records

2011-01-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I don't know what you guys are working on and am sure it  
(appropriately) needs to meet your own local requirements. But I  
figured I'd throw out the major thing that frustrates me with my  
existing ILS 'holdings' and is appropriate especially if you are  
making the actual internal data model more powerful than MFHD:


I'd REALLY like to be able to have software ask my ILS do you have  
this PARTICULAR volume and issue of this serial, and if so, what  
holding [with location, call number, status, etc] includes it.  Can't  
do that with my ILS.


Probably matters a lot more for academic libraries than public  
libraries, which in my experience don't usually have much print serial  
backfiles.  But for academic libraries it's kind of huge, it  
frustrates me that if a user comes to my interface wanting a  
particular volume/issue/page number of a serial (and that's usually  
what you're going to want, as an academic user), my interface is  
incapable of directing her to it or telling her conclusively that we  
don't have it, but instead has to give her a long list of  
inconsistently formatted 'holdings statements' and make her try to  
sort it out for herself.


On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Galen Charlton wrote:


Hi,

On Jan 6, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Tim Spindler wrote:
4. Prediction schedule for tracking and receiving of serials will  
be created


I can't speak to what Dan is coding, but one thing that i should  
point out is that MFHDs generally don't record the date of the next  
expected issue (or any proxy for when to start a predication cycle),  
so necessarily some additional information would need to be supplied  
to pick up .  A direct export MFHD from ILS X/import MFHD into  
Evergreen function will almost certainly need an intermediate step  
of data processing and extraction.


Regards,

Galen
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VP, Data Services
Equinox Software, Inc. / Your Library's Guide to Open Source
email:  g...@esilibrary.com
direct: +1 352-215-7548
skype:  gmcharlt
web:http://www.esilibrary.com/