Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy
Sent from my peronal email because I'm answering in my role as a vendor and independent community member and not in my role at MVLC. On 09/11/2014 04:27 PM, Rogan Hamby wrote: What I'm curious to know from Brad and other vendors is if this is something they would want to do. There have been a lot of comments about this being a burden and almost in a tone as if it was a harassment to vendors. I envisioned it as a positive way of pointing community members to services they might want and thus helping the vendors. If this isn't something they would want then while I do think it would be better for potential customers there probably isn't a reason to proceed. If a vendor makes it hard for a customer to find out what their Evergreen services are, that vendor won't get very many Evergreen customers. I don't think it is the community's role to police this. The onus is on the vendor. I agree with Chris and Kathy that such a page should not necessarily be a requirement. FWIW, I already have such a page on my site. Cheers, Jason Stephenson
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy
So, I admit I'm perplexed by this, you see it as policing vendors rather than helping them to provide it even as an option? On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Jason Stephenson ja...@sigio.com wrote: Sent from my peronal email because I'm answering in my role as a vendor and independent community member and not in my role at MVLC. On 09/11/2014 04:27 PM, Rogan Hamby wrote: What I'm curious to know from Brad and other vendors is if this is something they would want to do. There have been a lot of comments about this being a burden and almost in a tone as if it was a harassment to vendors. I envisioned it as a positive way of pointing community members to services they might want and thus helping the vendors. If this isn't something they would want then while I do think it would be better for potential customers there probably isn't a reason to proceed. If a vendor makes it hard for a customer to find out what their Evergreen services are, that vendor won't get very many Evergreen customers. I don't think it is the community's role to police this. The onus is on the vendor. I agree with Chris and Kathy that such a page should not necessarily be a requirement. FWIW, I already have such a page on my site. Cheers, Jason Stephenson -- Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services, York County Library System “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me.” ― C.S. Lewis http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Tag 880 indexing for CJK characters
Hi Agatha, I'm not 100% familiar with this area of Evergreen, but I know that there is general support for linking of tag 880 to the corresponding entries for display purposes in the catalog. For example, this is an example bib record on one of my test systems: http://theory.biblio.org/eg/opac/record/204?query=Tu%20shuo%20Zhongguo%20jie;qtype=keyword;locg=1 Grabbing the actual characters from the 880 tag though does not seem to retrieve in a search, so I guess 880 is not currently an indexed field for my keyword/author, etc. indexes. Maybe some others would know more about the potential for including other characters as part of the indexes... -- Ben On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:11 AM, catalog library c...@gratia.edu.hk wrote: I am a consultant librarian for a new college in Hong Kong which plans to commence in Sept 2015. I came to study the implementation of the system in a local server, and encounter the configuration in indexing the Chinese characters in tag 880s. May I seek a pointer from you that whether the Evergreen system support the indexing of CJK characters (non-romanized alphabets) in the tag 880 such as corresponding to the title 245 and author 1xx / 7xx in MARC21 format, or RDA? Appreciate you sharing advice, Cheers, Agatha SIT -- Benjamin Shum Evergreen Systems Manager Bibliomation, Inc. 24 Wooster Ave. Waterbury, CT 06708 203-577-4070, ext. 113
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Tag 880 indexing for CJK characters
We index the 880s -- you can see an example of a record displaying 880s here: http://evergreen.noblenet.org/eg/opac/record/2720030 Here's a link to search results for titles with Beijing (北京) http://evergreen.noblenet.org/eg/opac/results?query=%E5%8C%97%E4%BA%ACqtype=titlefg%3Aadvanced=locg=1 Screenshot here: http://screencast.com/t/XnPDck1e66PZ Release notes for this feature: http://evergreen-ils.org/documentation/release/RELEASE_NOTES_2_4.html#_opac Hope this helps! On 9/12/2014 10:11 AM, catalog library wrote: I am a consultant librarian for a new college in Hong Kong which plans to commence in Sept 2015. I came to study the implementation of the system in a local server, and encounter the configuration in indexing the Chinese characters in tag 880s. May I seek a pointer from you that whether the Evergreen system support the indexing of CJK characters (non-romanized alphabets) in the tag 880 such as corresponding to the title 245 and author 1xx / 7xx in MARC21 format, or RDA? Appreciate you sharing advice, Cheers, Agatha SIT -- Elizabeth Thomsen, Member Services Manager NOBLE: North of Boston Library Exchange 26 Cherry Hill Drive Danvers MA 01923 E-mail: e...@noblenet.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy
Here's part of my confusion, we already say that vendors listed are supposed to have an Evergreen offering page. This is copy and pasted from the Getting Listed on the Evergreen Paid Support Services Page on the WIKI: Show support for the Evergreen community by adding a visible link on their Evergreen offering page to the Evergreen community web site at How is a link back to that page a big deal? On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Rogan Hamby rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net wrote: So, I admit I'm perplexed by this, you see it as policing vendors rather than helping them to provide it even as an option? On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Jason Stephenson ja...@sigio.com wrote: Sent from my peronal email because I'm answering in my role as a vendor and independent community member and not in my role at MVLC. On 09/11/2014 04:27 PM, Rogan Hamby wrote: What I'm curious to know from Brad and other vendors is if this is something they would want to do. There have been a lot of comments about this being a burden and almost in a tone as if it was a harassment to vendors. I envisioned it as a positive way of pointing community members to services they might want and thus helping the vendors. If this isn't something they would want then while I do think it would be better for potential customers there probably isn't a reason to proceed. If a vendor makes it hard for a customer to find out what their Evergreen services are, that vendor won't get very many Evergreen customers. I don't think it is the community's role to police this. The onus is on the vendor. I agree with Chris and Kathy that such a page should not necessarily be a requirement. FWIW, I already have such a page on my site. Cheers, Jason Stephenson -- Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services, York County Library System “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me.” ― C.S. Lewis http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis -- Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services, York County Library System “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me.” ― C.S. Lewis http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy
Perhaps by moving the link-back paragraph out of the “must” section and some minor wording changes the issue of appearing to mandate specific content on third-party websites could be avoided, for example: -- Getting Listed on the Evergreen Paid Support Services Page Companies and non-profit organizations providing Evergreen services must take the following steps to be added to the Evergreen Paid Support Services page. • Send a request to the Evergreen General List with the following information: • Name of company/organization • Contact person • Contact email • Web site address • Brief description of services Companies and organizations will be added to the Paid Support Services page after demonstrating through the above process that they currently offer Evergreen services. Companies and organizations that do not offer Evergreen services will not be listed. From time to time, the members of the Evergreen community may check support providers to see if they currently offer Evergreen services. If a company no longer does, their entry may be removed. All removals will be posted publicly to the Evergreen mailing list. A support provider may request that their entry be removed at any time. Vendors, we would appreciate if you could show your support for the Evergreen community by linking back to our web site at http://www.evergreen-ils.org/. -- Or something like that. Also, the spelling should either be Web site” always with a capital “W” or “website”. Aleksey Lazar IS Developer and Integrator - PALS http://www.mnpals.org/
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Compatible receipt printers
On 2014-09-11, at 16:05 , William McDuff wmcd...@princerupertlibrary.ca wrote: While people are answering this, does anyone have any experience with making a Epson T-T88IV receipt printer with Ubuntu Linux? Hello, William. Not specifically, but I’ve had experience with installing printers on Linux. I may be typing now what you already know, but what you need is to configure the CUPS printing system and also to install specific PPDs for your printer, if available. For your printer, maybe this page would be a good start: https://download.epson-biz.com/modules/pos/index.php?page=single_softcid=3934scat=32pcat=3pid=30. There are PPDs included in the package, they seem generic for series rather than specific models. Aleksey Lazar IS Developer and Integrator - PALS http://www.mnpals.org/
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy
Hi everyone! I've been watching this discussion for the last few days now. As it's been going on for quite some time, I've finally decided to share my thoughts. There have been several comments about the work required to maintain this page. Some folks seem to feel it's quite a bit of effort, and others think it's really trivial. What I know for sure is that in the last year I've seen this issue discussed at some length here on the list, and I can only imagine the time required to write such thoughtful messages as I've seen from Chris, Rogan, Kathy, and everyone else is substantial. I am beginning to wonder if this even needs to be on the evergreen-ils.org site at all. Take a look at this: https://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia+list+of+vendors I'm not trying to sell this idea, but I'm wondering if moving the list of vendors to a Wikipedia article might be a good way to get around this being a policy issue. The wikipedia article could contain listings for vendors that would like to add themselves, vendors that community members felt compelled to add, and content/links that each individual contributor felt appropriate. People who have strong feelings about the evergreen-ils.org vendors page might redirect their efforts to being a major contributor to the Wikipedia article. With respect, Justin On Fri Sep 12 11:13:12 2014, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich wrote: Perhaps by moving the link-back paragraph out of the “must” section and some minor wording changes the issue of appearing to mandate specific content on third-party websites could be avoided, for example: -- Getting Listed on the Evergreen Paid Support Services Page Companies and non-profit organizations providing Evergreen services must take the following steps to be added to the Evergreen Paid Support Services page. • Send a request to the Evergreen General List with the following information: • Name of company/organization • Contact person • Contact email • Web site address • Brief description of services Companies and organizations will be added to the Paid Support Services page after demonstrating through the above process that they currently offer Evergreen services. Companies and organizations that do not offer Evergreen services will not be listed. From time to time, the members of the Evergreen community may check support providers to see if they currently offer Evergreen services. If a company no longer does, their entry may be removed. All removals will be posted publicly to the Evergreen mailing list. A support provider may request that their entry be removed at any time. Vendors, we would appreciate if you could show your support for the Evergreen community by linking back to our web site at http://www.evergreen-ils.org/. -- Or something like that. Also, the spelling should either be Web site” always with a capital “W” or “website”. Aleksey Lazar IS Developer and Integrator - PALS http://www.mnpals.org/
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy
For the record, +1 Chris - Original Message - From: Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.com To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 2:08:38 PM Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Proposed change in Vendor Listing Policy On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich alexey.la...@mnsu.edu wrote: Vendors, we would appreciate if you could show your support for the Evergreen community by linking back to our web site at http://www.evergreen-ils.org/. Speaking as an individual, I would prefer that we keep this a requirement. It's more than a fair trade for being listed on our community website. IMO, it's a show of solidarity with the Evergreen community and a hedge against those who might want to fork the software or keep changes to themselves in this new software as a service world. If you're going to use Evergreen to compete, then do so on a level playing field. Let others know what software you're using and what that really means (that there is choice). In other words, compete on merit, not obfuscation. It benefits everyone. -- Jason Etheridge | Support Manager | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com -- Chris Sharp PINES System Administrator Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, Georgia 30345 (404) 235-7147 csh...@georgialibraries.org http://pines.georgialibraries.org/
