Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?
I suggest having a look at Koha. http://koha-community.org/ Quoting Ben T. t.be...@gmail.com: Thank you for all the responses. Rogan, you inferences are generally correct. I do not have much experience. I have worked with virtual machines before, and I use Ubuntu on my personal computer, but I have never really been a sys admin. As for time, I do not have much time per week, but I have a soft deadline to make something work by June. So I possibly could set up a VM and make this work. However, our computer is shared with a bunch of volunteers at the community center, many of whom are not very computer literate. My intuition tells me that a VM would not survive meddling from other folks. So if a VM is the only available solution with Evergreen, I think I will keep looking. Terran, Surpass looks amazing, except for the ~$3000 price tag on it. Anything purchased is likely coming out of my pocket at this point, and there is no way I can afford that. Yunus, Openbiblio also looks good, except it runs into the same server problem that evergreen does. So I think I'll keep looking for solutions. Thanks, everyone. On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Rogan Hamby rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net wrote: It does still require Linux skills as it's a virtual machine whether he has that skill set or is willing to invest the time to learn it is a pre-requisite, something I wouldn't assume from the question. On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Mark Ehle marke...@gmail.com wrote: Ben did say he was decently tech savvy and asked for a way to run Evergreen on a pc. VirtualBox fits the bill. On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: Regardless of whether it's feasible in a Windows VM environment or not, I really think that Evergreen is too complicated to set up and maintain for someone who doesn't have a strong skillset in system administration. A hosted ILS would be a better option, but a lot of tiny libraries can't afford that either. Personally, if I were in Ben's position, I would investigate some of the library automation system offerings that are designed specifically for small libraries. Does anyone have any experience with Surpass? I haven't used it, but it looks like it was designed for tiny libraries (less than 5000 items) and has a standalone license option for running on a single non-networked PC: http://www.surpasssoftware.com/surpass-sl.html. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Mark Ehle marke...@gmail.com To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:26:53 AM Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library? We ran everything in VirtualBox for a long time. Is it the PC hardware you object to? Or just VM's in general. On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Mark Ehle marke...@gmail.com wrote: When you have quad-core PC's with 8gb of ram, the difference is not that much. I've run production VM's on my PC in a pinch and our staff never knew. What do you suggest Ben does? On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rogan Hamby rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net wrote: Hi Mark, There is a big difference between running a production system on a desktop VM and playing with it. Running Evergreen in Virtual Box is common for developers, documenters, etc And it's important for those who don't have a systems background that a VM in a server environment and throwing up a VM on a desktop with limited resources are very different things. On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mark Ehle marke...@gmail.com wrote: Not at all dubious, Rogan. We run Sirsi Symphony as a VM and have been for years. We pretty much don't run our servers on anything else *but* VM's. It's just how things are done now. I've run Evergreen in Virtual Box (totally free) on my PC to play with it and it works just fine. Given a decent enough PC,mainly enough memory, I'm sure you could run Evergreen on a VM for a few clients for a small library. On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Rogan Hamby rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net wrote: Hi Ben, This was alluded to but to be clear, Evergreen isn't Windows software. Evergreen was built to run on Linux and is commonly run on Debian though I know it's used successfully on other distributions as well. Honestly, as much as I love to spread the love of Evergreen from what I can infer from your post I don't think this would be the right direction for you. Running a production system on a VM is dubious though possible but then connecting clients, doing the configuration, etc... these are going to require a big investment of time and energy on the part of staff. On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Ben T. t.be...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing. At this point we're looking
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list
I too would like to see a real shelf list in Evergreen. Gislaine Hamelin Intergrated Library Systems Coordinator | Coordonnatrice du système integrée de la bibliotheque Library Services | Services bibliothèque R.H. Coats Building | Immeuble R.-H.-Coats / Floor | Étage 2 Q Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 Statistique Canada | 100, promenade Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca Telephone | Téléphone 613-762-5443 Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-951-0939 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada -Message d'origine- De : open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] De la part de McCanna, Terran Envoyé : January-15-15 10:46 AM À : Evergreen Discussion Group Objet : Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?
Ben, If you don’t have anyone on staff that is a trained cataloger and knows MARC formatting and other cataloging standards, Evergreen would also not be a good fit for your library. http://web.nmsu.edu/~ebosman/church/churchlib4.shtml has a list of low cost software primarily for church libraries but there are some for special libraries. Not all had pricing on their website but some are in the $300-$500 range. The list does include products Terran and Ruth mentioned. There is a “free” product on that site called Lexwin -- http://www.lex.sk.ca/index.html There is a one-year trial period and then they want you to purchase a service contract if you want to auto-load data into a LexWeb(?) It looks like it is free if you don’t want to be part of LexWeb. St Charles County Library System in Missouri developed an open source catalog called Listen 2000 that they market to Missouri libraries. I couldn’t find any recent details so I don’t know anything more. Their contact information is at http://www.youranswerplace.org/administrative-staff (this may also require knowledge of library standards). Have you tried contacting other special libraries in your area to see what system they use? You might even be able to create a partnership with some of them to defray costs and share technical knowledge. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Ben T. Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 6:25 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library? Hello All, I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing. At this point we're looking for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some way more efficient than paper and pencil. Evergreen seems like it could be a good solution for us, however we are not able to afford a server at this point nor a subscription (we basically have no money). Is there any way (hopefully a simple one) to run Evergreen just on a single Windows (7) machine, keeping the catalog and patron information locally? Sincerely, Ben Librarian Volunteer Kendall Clawson Library p.s. I am decently tech savvy, but not VERY tech savvy. I won't be able to do any major amount of coding on my own.
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list
Can you define what constitutes real in this feature set? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca wrote: I too would like to see a real shelf list in Evergreen. Gislaine Hamelin Intergrated Library Systems Coordinator | Coordonnatrice du système integrée de la bibliotheque Library Services | Services bibliothèque R.H. Coats Building | Immeuble R.-H.-Coats / Floor | Étage 2 Q Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 Statistique Canada | 100, promenade Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca Telephone | Téléphone 613-762-5443 Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-951-0939 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada -Message d'origine- De : open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] De la part de McCanna, Terran Envoyé : January-15-15 10:46 AM À : Evergreen Discussion Group Objet : Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org -- Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services, York County Library System “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me.” ― C.S. Lewis http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list
Found a few images of the different ILS’s shelflisting functionality --- http://www.lsuc.on.ca/For-Lawyers/Manage-Your-Practice/Research/Cataloguing-Request-Manual-for-County---District-Law-Libraries/#shelflists http://tualatints.pbworks.com/w/page/9224546/Assigning%20Dewey (scroll down to image from Polaris) http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/shelflist.html (again, scroll down for images. This is Tulane’s instructions for shelflisting, if you want an idea of what many academic catalogers have to do to assign a call number) https://staff.lib.ncsu.edu/confluence/display/MNC/Institute+of+Textile+Technology+%28ITT%29+Thesis (scroll down to section Shelflisting the Cataloging Calculator Author Cutter and click on images) A real shelflist would display call number, title, author, publisher, edition, and pub date in a format that indicates where the call number you wish to assign falls within the list of titles on the shelf (shelflisting from a cataloging perspective). The cataloger can then easily scan the surrounding titles to make sure the call number is correct, isn’t duplicated, and follows shelflisting local practice. From this standpoint, the shelf list in Evergreen isn’t real – it doesn’t provide a cataloger with enough information to properly assign a call number. Since many public libraries don’t have the complex shelflisting rules that academics have, and we don’t care if we use the same call number over and over and over again, the lack of real shelflisting functionality in Evergreen wasn’t an issue until more academic libraries came on board. Having good shelflisting capability will allow Evergreen to continue to appeal to a broad spectrum of libraries. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:28 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Can you define what constitutes real in this feature set? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca wrote: I too would like to see a real shelf list in Evergreen. Gislaine Hamelin Intergrated Library Systems Coordinator | Coordonnatrice du système integrée de la bibliotheque Library Services | Services bibliothèque R.H. Coats Building | Immeuble R.-H.-Coats / Floor | Étage 2 Q Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 Statistique Canada | 100, promenade Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca Telephone | Téléphone 613-762-5443 Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-951-0939 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada -Message d'origine- De : open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] De la part de McCanna, Terran Envoyé : January-15-15 10:46 AM À : Evergreen Discussion Group Objet : Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org -- Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services, York County Library System “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me.” ― http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis C.S. Lewis
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list
I was merely giving you an idea of what were are talking about. Were I to write up specs for requirements, I can assure you they would be more complete and not include illustrations from other ILSs. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:42 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list The feature list is often more useful than screenshots of other ILSes, especially proprietary ones. For reasons that I think you can imagine many developers are leery of being handed things from commercial ILSes and told do it like this. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Hardy, Elaine eha...@georgialibraries.org wrote: Found a few images of the different ILS’s shelflisting functionality --- http://www.lsuc.on.ca/For-Lawyers/Manage-Your-Practice/Research/Cataloguing-Request-Manual-for-County---District-Law-Libraries/#shelflists http://tualatints.pbworks.com/w/page/9224546/Assigning%20Dewey (scroll down to image from Polaris) http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/shelflist.html (again, scroll down for images. This is Tulane’s instructions for shelflisting, if you want an idea of what many academic catalogers have to do to assign a call number) https://staff.lib.ncsu.edu/confluence/display/MNC/Institute+of+Textile+Technology+%28ITT%29+Thesis (scroll down to section Shelflisting the Cataloging Calculator Author Cutter and click on images) A real shelflist would display call number, title, author, publisher, edition, and pub date in a format that indicates where the call number you wish to assign falls within the list of titles on the shelf (shelflisting from a cataloging perspective). The cataloger can then easily scan the surrounding titles to make sure the call number is correct, isn’t duplicated, and follows shelflisting local practice. From this standpoint, the shelf list in Evergreen isn’t real – it doesn’t provide a cataloger with enough information to properly assign a call number. Since many public libraries don’t have the complex shelflisting rules that academics have, and we don’t care if we use the same call number over and over and over again, the lack of real shelflisting functionality in Evergreen wasn’t an issue until more academic libraries came on board. Having good shelflisting capability will allow Evergreen to continue to appeal to a broad spectrum of libraries. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Collaborative Projects Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Ste 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235.7128 404.235.7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org/pines From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:28 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list Can you define what constitutes real in this feature set? On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:10 PM, gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca wrote: I too would like to see a real shelf list in Evergreen. Gislaine Hamelin Intergrated Library Systems Coordinator | Coordonnatrice du système integrée de la bibliotheque Library Services | Services bibliothèque R.H. Coats Building | Immeuble R.-H.-Coats / Floor | Étage 2 Q Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 Statistique Canada | 100, promenade Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6 gislaine.hame...@statcan.gc.ca Telephone | Téléphone 613-762-5443 Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-951-0939 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada -Message d'origine- De : open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] De la part de McCanna, Terran Envoyé : January-15-15 10:46 AM À : Evergreen Discussion Group Objet : Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Results list of the Call Number (Shelf Browse) list I like having multiple ways to look at the same info, so a list view would be a great addition. What I'd REALLY like is a single-row horizontal widget that you can scroll back and forth so it shows the books in question as if they were lined up on an actual shelf. Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org -- Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services, York County Library System “You can
