Re: [OpenAFS] Read-only replication

2010-06-17 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Donnerstag 17 Juni 2010, 01:06:34 schrieb Jaap Winius:

> This subject is confusing to me, because I've learned that once a  
> client has encountered a read-write mount point, it becomes biased  
> towards accessing only read-write replicas beyond it, ignoring any and  
> all perfectly usable read-only volumes that may be available.

Not quite. See http://docs.openafs.org/AdminGuide/ch05s07.html#HDRWQ209

HTH...

Dirk


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Re: [ SPAM? ] [OpenAFS] Read-only replication

2010-06-17 Thread Jaap Winius

Quoting Lars Schimmer :


Simple - Load Balancing. Imagine a cell at three countries hold together
by small ISDN lines - a RO copy local to each faculty and the have fast
access.


Yes, but "In an organization where it is only necessary for an  
administrator to
either give users read-write access to volumes, or no access at all,"  
what good is that? As far as I can tell, in your scenario the clients  
at the two remote sites would have a bias towards reading the (for  
them) remote read-write replicas and thus ignore any local read-only  
copies.


Of course, you could also try to explain to those users that they  
should use one path to read stuff (because it's faster) and another to  
write or add new files, but I doubt that would go down very well with  
them.


Cheers,

Jaap

PS -- I just thought of one reason why replicas would help, even in my  
hypothetical "read-write or nothing" organization above: if one extra  
server has read-only copies of everything, the volumes can be backed  
up any any time without bothering anybody.

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Re: [ SPAM? ] [OpenAFS] Read-only replication

2010-06-17 Thread Lars Schimmer
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Jaap Winius wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Here's a hypothetical question regarding the replication of AFS volumes:
> 
> In an organization where it is only necessary for an administrator to
> either give users read-write access to volumes, or no access at all,
> what would be the advantage of creating any read-only replicas, beyond
> those for the standard volumes at the root of the AFS namespace?
> 
> This subject is confusing to me, because I've learned that once a client
> has encountered a read-write mount point, it becomes biased towards
> accessing only read-write replicas beyond it, ignoring any and all
> perfectly usable read-only volumes that may be available.
> 
> Of course, read-only replicas with hourly releases can be used as a
> safety net, allowing data to be more quickly recovered in the event of a
> failure, but if that's viewed as an unnecessary measure, then what other
> reasons reasons might there be for replicating any volumes?

Simple - Load Balancing. Imagine a cell at three countries hold together
by small ISDN lines - a RO copy local to each faculty and the have fast
access.

> Thanks,
> 
> Jaap

MfG,
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[OpenAFS] Read-only replication

2010-06-16 Thread Jaap Winius

Hi folks,

Here's a hypothetical question regarding the replication of AFS volumes:

In an organization where it is only necessary for an administrator to  
either give users read-write access to volumes, or no access at all,  
what would be the advantage of creating any read-only replicas, beyond  
those for the standard volumes at the root of the AFS namespace?


This subject is confusing to me, because I've learned that once a  
client has encountered a read-write mount point, it becomes biased  
towards accessing only read-write replicas beyond it, ignoring any and  
all perfectly usable read-only volumes that may be available.


Of course, read-only replicas with hourly releases can be used as a  
safety net, allowing data to be more quickly recovered in the event of  
a failure, but if that's viewed as an unnecessary measure, then what  
other reasons reasons might there be for replicating any volumes?


Thanks,

Jaap
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