Potential interest in establishment of an academic CKM instance?
This a great initiative, at the moment we offer courses online in several universities in Latino America. So, Im interested. Cheers Crol From: pazospa...@hotmail.com To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: RE: Potential interest in establishment of an academic CKM instance? Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 01:02:54 -0300 This would be really nice. One thing my students find difficult to do is the upload process to the CKM because archetypes should be committed manually to editors, then the initial review process takes some time. For students it would be nice to let them upload their archetypes directly in an academic CKM without any constraints or process, see the mind map diagram, check the validation rules, etc. This will also simplify archetype review by me :) instead of reading all the ADL and see the archetypes in the AE, I can use the great mind map view. Also, having something in spanish would help a lot. * This is not for any university, we're giving the openEHR course from an organization of professionals (the Chilean association of medical informatics). -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: heather.les...@oceaninformatics.com To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Potential interest in establishment of an academic CKM instance? Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:46:00 + Hi everyone, I cautiously send this email as I?m aware that it can be perceived to border on the line between commercial and community, so request if anyone is interested in following through with my idea to email me privately and not use the list any further. I?ve been approached by someone requesting an academic CKM instance that could be used for university teaching purposes. So I am curious to see if there was broader interest in establishing a shared academic CKM for use by universities - for academic, non-commercial purposes only. I?m proposing a solution that would operate a little along the lines of the UK CKM, where there are a number of academic entities sharing the same CKM domain instance, but each with their own autonomous subdomains. This could be useful to kickstart some collaborative academic activity between universities in clinical knowledge management. There are pros and cons for this arrangement, which I?ve tried to outline below: Pros: ? All functionality of the standard CKM will be fully available (ie what you currently see on the openEHR CKM) ? the library, collaborative portal and governance/distribution capability will be fully enabled, including projects/incubators and running archetype/template reviews. ? You would have autonomy within your subdomain (ie effectively a folder or subset of the whole CKM instance) and all of the assets within it. ? The price per university would be minimised as the costs in running, maintaining and hosting the CKM instance would be shared by all. ? As more universities came on board, potentially the cost of the subdomain based on the shared running costs would be minimised, and the license price would mostly be based on the number of assets in the subdomain ie starting with a minimum of 50, and above that it is based on honest usage. Cons: ? If we had multiple universities participating in a single CKM instance who are not coordinating their activity, then I would anticipate that the CKM could become quite a mixed and confused set of models ? acceptable perhaps for academic purposes, but not a good basis for implementations, except at subdomain level. ? No choice about others who would share your CKM instance. ? No control over what activity occurred in other subdomains eg others may upload other archetypes that were similar or potentially conflicting. This is being managed to some degree in the UK instance by the presence of Ian McNicoll, but may not be possible if a widely varied group of academic institutions participate. Coordination between the other subdomain users would be up to all parties voluntarily deciding to work together. I would propose an initial CKM to be in English, although if there was enough interest from a single language group, we could potentially arrange for a number of translated CKMs as well. Please contact me on heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com if you have any questions or wish to express interest. I am also planning to attend MIE 2014 in Istanbul next month if anyone wants to discuss this further. Regards Heather Dr Heather Leslie MBBS FRACGP FACHI Director/Consulting Lead Ocean Informatics Phone - +61 418 966 670 Skype - heatherleslie Twitter - @omowizard ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org ___ openEHR
Potential interest in establishment of an academic CKM instance?
This would be really nice. One thing my students find difficult to do is the upload process to the CKM because archetypes should be committed manually to editors, then the initial review process takes some time. For students it would be nice to let them upload their archetypes directly in an academic CKM without any constraints or process, see the mind map diagram, check the validation rules, etc. This will also simplify archetype review by me :) instead of reading all the ADL and see the archetypes in the AE, I can use the great mind map view. Also, having something in spanish would help a lot. * This is not for any university, we're giving the openEHR course from an organization of professionals (the Chilean association of medical informatics). -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com From: heather.les...@oceaninformatics.com To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Potential interest in establishment of an academic CKM instance? Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:46:00 + Hi everyone, I cautiously send this email as I?m aware that it can be perceived to border on the line between commercial and community, so request if anyone is interested in following through with my idea to email me privately and not use the list any further. I?ve been approached by someone requesting an academic CKM instance that could be used for university teaching purposes. So I am curious to see if there was broader interest in establishing a shared academic CKM for use by universities - for academic, non-commercial purposes only. I?m proposing a solution that would operate a little along the lines of the UK CKM, where there are a number of academic entities sharing the same CKM domain instance, but each with their own autonomous subdomains. This could be useful to kickstart some collaborative academic activity between universities in clinical knowledge management. There are pros and cons for this arrangement, which I?ve tried to outline below: Pros: ? All functionality of the standard CKM will be fully available (ie what you currently see on the openEHR CKM) ? the library, collaborative portal and governance/distribution capability will be fully enabled, including projects/incubators and running archetype/template reviews. ? You would have autonomy within your subdomain (ie effectively a folder or subset of the whole CKM instance) and all of the assets within it. ? The price per university would be minimised as the costs in running, maintaining and hosting the CKM instance would be shared by all. ? As more universities came on board, potentially the cost of the subdomain based on the shared running costs would be minimised, and the license price would mostly be based on the number of assets in the subdomain ie starting with a minimum of 50, and above that it is based on honest usage. Cons: ? If we had multiple universities participating in a single CKM instance who are not coordinating their activity, then I would anticipate that the CKM could become quite a mixed and confused set of models ? acceptable perhaps for academic purposes, but not a good basis for implementations, except at subdomain level. ? No choice about others who would share your CKM instance. ? No control over what activity occurred in other subdomains eg others may upload other archetypes that were similar or potentially conflicting. This is being managed to some degree in the UK instance by the presence of Ian McNicoll, but may not be possible if a widely varied group of academic institutions participate. Coordination between the other subdomain users would be up to all parties voluntarily deciding to work together. I would propose an initial CKM to be in English, although if there was enough interest from a single language group, we could potentially arrange for a number of translated CKMs as well. Please contact me on heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com if you have any questions or wish to express interest. I am also planning to attend MIE 2014 in Istanbul next month if anyone wants to discuss this further. Regards Heather Dr Heather Leslie MBBS FRACGP FACHI Director/Consulting Lead Ocean Informatics Phone - +61 418 966 670 Skype - heatherleslie Twitter - @omowizard ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20140712/2a2a7c97/attachment.html
Potential interest in establishment of an academic CKM instance?
Hi everyone, I cautiously send this email as I'm aware that it can be perceived to border on the line between commercial and community, so request if anyone is interested in following through with my idea to email me privately and not use the list any further. I've been approached by someone requesting an academic CKM instance that could be used for university teaching purposes. So I am curious to see if there was broader interest in establishing a shared academic CKM for use by universities - for academic, non-commercial purposes only. I'm proposing a solution that would operate a little along the lines of the UK CKM, where there are a number of academic entities sharing the same CKM domain instance, but each with their own autonomous subdomains. This could be useful to kickstart some collaborative academic activity between universities in clinical knowledge management. There are pros and cons for this arrangement, which I've tried to outline below: Pros: * All functionality of the standard CKM will be fully available (ie what you currently see on the openEHR CKM) - the library, collaborative portal and governance/distribution capability will be fully enabled, including projects/incubators and running archetype/template reviews. * You would have autonomy within your subdomain (ie effectively a folder or subset of the whole CKM instance) and all of the assets within it. * The price per university would be minimised as the costs in running, maintaining and hosting the CKM instance would be shared by all. * As more universities came on board, potentially the cost of the subdomain based on the shared running costs would be minimised, and the license price would mostly be based on the number of assets in the subdomain ie starting with a minimum of 50, and above that it is based on honest usage. Cons: * If we had multiple universities participating in a single CKM instance who are not coordinating their activity, then I would anticipate that the CKM could become quite a mixed and confused set of models - acceptable perhaps for academic purposes, but not a good basis for implementations, except at subdomain level. * No choice about others who would share your CKM instance. * No control over what activity occurred in other subdomains eg others may upload other archetypes that were similar or potentially conflicting. This is being managed to some degree in the UK instance by the presence of Ian McNicoll, but may not be possible if a widely varied group of academic institutions participate. Coordination between the other subdomain users would be up to all parties voluntarily deciding to work together. I would propose an initial CKM to be in English, although if there was enough interest from a single language group, we could potentially arrange for a number of translated CKMs as well. Please contact me on heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.commailto:heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com if you have any questions or wish to express interest. I am also planning to attend MIE 2014 in Istanbul next month if anyone wants to discuss this further. Regards Heather Dr Heather Leslie MBBS FRACGP FACHI Director/Consulting Lead Ocean Informaticshttp://www.oceaninformatics.com/ Phone - +61 418 966 670 Skype - heatherleslie Twitter - @omowizard -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20140711/0de55a4d/attachment.html
Potential interest in establishment of an academic CKM instance?
Hi! Are the incubators (or projects?) in the international openEHR CKM isolated enough to be used for educational purposes? Are they excluded by default in general CKM searches? In that case an academic institution (or academic course) could perhaps use an incubator in the openEHR CKM clearly marked as experimental/educational. After a course it might sometimes be desirable to clear (or archive) the incubator in order to have a clean start for next iteration of a course. A good thing with using the international openEHR CKM is that the course participants get used to working in the shared CKM and will register accounts that they can use for real shared international archetyping after the course. (If the product can handle a large user base.) It might also make educational efforts more visible. Two big risks with archetyping are: - Fragmented work not contributed back to international shared resources - Not having enough skilled clinical modelers working in the international arena Perhaps both these risks would be somewhat better addressed by learning archetyping in the international openEHR CKM rather than in separate instances? Best regards, Erik Sundvall Ph.D. Medical Informatics. Information Architect. Tel: +46-72-524 54 55 (or 010-1036252 in Sweden) Li?: erik.sundvall at lio.se http://www.lio.se/itc/ http://www.lio.se/testbadd LiU: erik.sundvall at liu.se http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/ On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Heather Leslie heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com wrote: Hi everyone, *I cautiously send this email as I?m aware that it can be perceived to border on the line between commercial and community, so request if anyone is interested in following through with my idea to email me privately and not use the list any further.* I?ve been approached by someone requesting an academic CKM instance that could be used for university teaching purposes. So I am curious to see if there was broader interest in establishing a shared academic CKM for use by universities - for academic, non-commercial purposes only. I?m proposing a solution that would operate a little along the lines of the UK CKM, where there are a number of academic entities sharing the same CKM domain instance, but each with their own autonomous subdomains. This could be useful to kickstart some collaborative academic activity between universities in clinical knowledge management. There are pros and cons for this arrangement, which I?ve tried to outline below: Pros: ? All functionality of the standard CKM will be fully available (ie what you currently see on the openEHR CKM) ? the library, collaborative portal and governance/distribution capability will be fully enabled, including projects/incubators and running archetype/template reviews. ? You would have autonomy within your subdomain (ie effectively a folder or subset of the whole CKM instance) and all of the assets within it. ? The price per university would be minimised as the costs in running, maintaining and hosting the CKM instance would be shared by all. ? As more universities came on board, potentially the cost of the subdomain based on the shared running costs would be minimised, and the license price would mostly be based on the number of assets in the subdomain ie starting with a minimum of 50, and above that it is based on honest usage. Cons: ? If we had multiple universities participating in a single CKM instance who are not coordinating their activity, then I would anticipate that the CKM could become quite a mixed and confused set of models ? acceptable perhaps for academic purposes, but not a good basis for implementations, except at subdomain level. ? No choice about others who would share your CKM instance. ? No control over what activity occurred in other subdomains eg others may upload other archetypes that were similar or potentially conflicting. This is being managed to some degree in the UK instance by the presence of Ian McNicoll, but may not be possible if a widely varied group of academic institutions participate. Coordination between the other subdomain users would be up to all parties voluntarily deciding to work together. I would propose an initial CKM to be in English, although if there was enough interest from a single language group, we could potentially arrange for a number of translated CKMs as well. Please contact me on heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com if you have any questions or wish to express interest. I am also planning to attend MIE 2014 in Istanbul next month if anyone wants to discuss this further. Regards Heather *Dr Heather Leslie* MBBS FRACGP FACHI Director/Consulting Lead *Ocean Informatics http://www.oceaninformatics.com/* Phone - +61 418 966 670 Skype - heatherleslie Twitter - @omowizard ___ openEHR-clinical
Potential interest in establishment of an academic CKM instance?
Hi, Heather I'm much interested in this project, because we are just launching a few projects. as Eric mentioned, I think incubator would be good. Shinji 2014/07/11 14:46 Heather Leslie heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com: Hi everyone, *I cautiously send this email as I?m aware that it can be perceived to border on the line between commercial and community, so request if anyone is interested in following through with my idea to email me privately and not use the list any further.* I?ve been approached by someone requesting an academic CKM instance that could be used for university teaching purposes. So I am curious to see if there was broader interest in establishing a shared academic CKM for use by universities - for academic, non-commercial purposes only. I?m proposing a solution that would operate a little along the lines of the UK CKM, where there are a number of academic entities sharing the same CKM domain instance, but each with their own autonomous subdomains. This could be useful to kickstart some collaborative academic activity between universities in clinical knowledge management. There are pros and cons for this arrangement, which I?ve tried to outline below: Pros: ? All functionality of the standard CKM will be fully available (ie what you currently see on the openEHR CKM) ? the library, collaborative portal and governance/distribution capability will be fully enabled, including projects/incubators and running archetype/template reviews. ? You would have autonomy within your subdomain (ie effectively a folder or subset of the whole CKM instance) and all of the assets within it. ? The price per university would be minimised as the costs in running, maintaining and hosting the CKM instance would be shared by all. ? As more universities came on board, potentially the cost of the subdomain based on the shared running costs would be minimised, and the license price would mostly be based on the number of assets in the subdomain ie starting with a minimum of 50, and above that it is based on honest usage. Cons: ? If we had multiple universities participating in a single CKM instance who are not coordinating their activity, then I would anticipate that the CKM could become quite a mixed and confused set of models ? acceptable perhaps for academic purposes, but not a good basis for implementations, except at subdomain level. ? No choice about others who would share your CKM instance. ? No control over what activity occurred in other subdomains eg others may upload other archetypes that were similar or potentially conflicting. This is being managed to some degree in the UK instance by the presence of Ian McNicoll, but may not be possible if a widely varied group of academic institutions participate. Coordination between the other subdomain users would be up to all parties voluntarily deciding to work together. I would propose an initial CKM to be in English, although if there was enough interest from a single language group, we could potentially arrange for a number of translated CKMs as well. Please contact me on heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com if you have any questions or wish to express interest. I am also planning to attend MIE 2014 in Istanbul next month if anyone wants to discuss this further. Regards Heather *Dr Heather Leslie* MBBS FRACGP FACHI Director/Consulting Lead *Ocean Informatics http://www.oceaninformatics.com/* Phone - +61 418 966 670 Skype - heatherleslie Twitter - @omowizard ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20140711/acc8fa95/attachment.html
