Commiting ACTIONs for the same INSTRUCTION ACTIVITY
o some exercise, and we need to know > >> > if > >> > the activity (the exercise) is completed. We consider a completed > >> > activity > >> > to be one exercise instance, e.g. one walk in the park. But the > >> > recommendation is something like "walk 30 min/day for 2 weeks", so I > >> > think a > >> > good approach is to create one ACTIVITY for each day, and let the > >> > patient > >> > change the state of each day's ACTIVITY (scheduled, started, completed). > >> > > >> > In this case, if the day passes and the activity was never "active", > >> > we'll > >> > mark it as "expired". > >> > > >> > Of course, any comments about this scenario are very welcome. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Kind regards, > >> > Ing. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez > >> > LinkedIn: http://uy.linkedin.com/in/pablopazosgutierrez > >> > Blog: http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/ > >> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/ppazos > >> > > >> > > >> > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:07:31 +0100 > >> > > >> > From: thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com > >> > To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org > >> > Subject: Re: Commiting ACTIONs for the same INSTRUCTION ACTIVITY > >> > > >> > On 09/08/2012 17:44, pablo pazos wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi Thomas, > >> > > >> > I agree with that, but I think we are talking about different scenarios. > >> > I > >> > understand we can have various ACTIONs for "active" states (and > >> > reschedule > >> > or suspend/resume transitions). > >> > > >> > My question is: if an ACTIVITY is "completed" (or "aborted" or > >> > "expired", > >> > i.e. a terminated state) > >> > > >> > is it possible or valid to start another execution cycle for that > >> > ACTIVITY > >> > instance? or, > >> > should I create another ACTIVITY instance with the same info in order to > >> > execute it? i.e. create another ACTION with state "scheduled" or > >> > "active" > >> > for the same ACTIVITY that is "completed". > >> > > >> > > >> > Ah - good question (sorry, didn't read your earlier post properly!) > >> > > >> > The current model is designed is that once an ACTIVITY is completed by > >> > an > >> > ACTION putting it into a terminal state, then that's it. So for things > >> > like > >> > long term asthma medication, contraceptive pill, or any chronic > >> > condition > >> > medication, where the intent of the prescription (or hospital order) is > >> > to > >> > be more or less indefinite, with the patient just getting repeats then > >> > the > >> > ACTIVITY is always active or suspended, and never terminated. But even > >> > if it > >> > is terminated, e.g. the asthma patient gets better (it does happen!), it > >> > just means that if it has to be restarted, it will be a new order, which > >> > reflects what happens in real life. > >> > > >> > The key to this is that what is recorded (in terms of > >> > INSTRUCTION+ACTIVITY, > >> > and ACTIONs) should reflect real life of orders/prescriptions, repeats, > >> > not > >> > just the taking of the drugs themselves. > >> > > >> > hope this is clearer. > >> > > >> > - thomas > >> > > >> > > >> > ___ openEHR-technical > >> > mailing > >> > list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org > >> > > >> > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > openEHR-technical mailing list > >> > openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org > >> > > >> > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Dr Ian McNicoll > >> office +44 (0)1536 414 994 > >> fax +44 (0)1536 516317 > >> mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 > >> skype ianmcnicoll > >> ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com > >> > >> Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK > >> Director openEHR Foundation www.openehr.org/knowledge > >> Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL > >> SCIMP Working Group, NHS Scotland > >> BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org > >> > >> ___ > >> openEHR-technical mailing list > >> openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org > >> > >> http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org > > > > ___ > > openEHR-technical mailing list > > openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org > > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org > > > > -- > Dr Ian McNicoll > office +44 (0)1536 414 994 > fax +44 (0)1536 516317 > mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 > skype ianmcnicoll > ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com > > Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK > Director openEHR Foundation www.openehr.org/knowledge > Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL > SCIMP Working Group, NHS Scotland > BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org > > ___ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20120810/d0223269/attachment.html>
FW: ADL - syntax highlight for Notepad++
I will be glad to receive it. On my website: http://www.rosa.nl/syntax_highlight.html You'll find syntax-highlighting and block-folding for Kate/KDevelop (both KDE/Linux) and for Textpad, which is my favorite Windows-text-editor. Bert On 10-08-12 01:56, pablo pazos wrote: > Hi guys, > > One of my students developed an ADL syntax highlight for Notepad++ > > I cannot attach it here, drop me a line and I'll sent it to you: > pablo at openehr.org.es > > -- > Kind regards, > Ing. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez > LinkedIn: http://uy.linkedin.com/in/pablopazosgutierrez > Blog: http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/ppazos > > > From: yampeku at gmail.com > > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:52:04 +0200 > > Subject: Re: ADL - syntax highlight for Notepad++ > > To: openehr-technical at openehr.org > > > > I haven't heard that anyone has developed it yet, but that is a very > good idea > > > > 2009/10/5 gjb : > > > I wonder if anyone has created themselves a syntax highlight file > > > for use with Notepad++ > > > http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm > > > and would be willing to share it? > > > > > > Gavin Brelstaff CRS4 > > > ___ > > > openEHR-technical mailing list > > > openEHR-technical at openehr.org > > > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Diego Bosc? Tom?s > > > > Grupo IBIME > > Instituto ITACA - Universidad Polit?cnica de Valencia > > Acceso B > > Edificio 8G > > Camino Vera s/n > > 46022 VALENCIA (Spain) > > ext: 75277 > > > > http://ibime.upv.es > > > > ___ > > openEHR-technical mailing list > > openEHR-technical at openehr.org > > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical > > > ___ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20120810/ff246619/attachment.html>
ADL - syntax highlight for Notepad++
The highlighter was created by Armando Prieto from Venezuela: https://plus.google.com/106112948303122664219/posts Enjoy! -- Kind regards, Ing. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez LinkedIn: http://uy.linkedin.com/in/pablopazosgutierrez Blog: http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/ppazos Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:22:58 +0200 From: bert.verh...@rosa.nl To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: FW: ADL - syntax highlight for Notepad++ I will be glad to receive it. On my website: http://www.rosa.nl/syntax_highlight.html You'll find syntax-highlighting and block-folding for Kate/KDevelop (both KDE/Linux) and for Textpad, which is my favorite Windows-text-editor. Bert On 10-08-12 01:56, pablo pazos wrote: Hi guys, One of my students developed an ADL syntax highlight for Notepad++ I cannot attach it here, drop me a line and I'll sent it to you: pablo at openehr.org.es -- Kind regards, Ing. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez LinkedIn: http://uy.linkedin.com/in/pablopazosgutierrez Blog: http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/ppazos > From: yampeku at gmail.com > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:52:04 +0200 > Subject: Re: ADL - syntax highlight for Notepad++ > To: openehr-technical at openehr.org > > I haven't heard that anyone has developed it yet, but that is a very good idea > > 2009/10/5 gjb : > > I wonder if anyone has created themselves a syntax highlight file > > for use with Notepad++ > > http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm > > and would be willing to share it? > > > > Gavin Brelstaff CRS4 > > ___ > > openEHR-technical mailing list > > openEHR-technical at openehr.org > > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical > > > > > > -- > Diego Bosc? Tom?s > > Grupo IBIME > Instituto ITACA - Universidad Polit?cnica de Valencia > Acceso B > Edificio 8G > Camino Vera s/n > 46022 VALENCIA (Spain) > ext: 75277 > > http://ibime.upv.es > > ___ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical at openehr.org > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20120810/3919df15/attachment-0001.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: notepad++ Armando Prieto_adl_83.xml Type: text/xml Size: 3355 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20120810/3919df15/attachment-0001.xml>
Commiting ACTIONs for the same INSTRUCTION ACTIVITY
How is the patient reporting back their exercise activity to the clinician? I think it is better to create a new Composition for each 'patient report' rather than re-versioning a single Composition. The question then is how and, how often, the patient sends a report. As an example, let's say the patient reports weekly. In that case I would generate a new event Composition for each weekly report. Perhaps you could use a CLUSTER archetype to represent both recommended exercise, and the patient reported outcome, to be used in both the INSTRUCTION/ACTIVITY and in the ACTIONs. Can you gove more information on some of the detail of the exercise recommendations and the patient reports. Ian On 9 August 2012 19:28, pablo pazos wrote: > Hi Ian, thanks for the input. > > I'm trying to do it "by the book", obviously clinical input is essential to > model things :) > > What do you think about the ACTION to report patient activity? > > Should I create a new composition every time the patient report something? > or > Should I version the same composition on every exercise report for the same > exercise program? > > > At first I was thinking about having one ACTIVITY and versioning > COMPOSITIONs to represent states, but then ISM states came into play :D > > > In this scenario, I could keep exercise scheduling and activation states > just in the app, and commit a COMPOSITION only when the exercise is > finished, so I can interpret the COMPOSTION as a finished activity/exersice > on our openEHR repository (without putting an explicit state on the ACTION > archetype), and as you said, changing the state of the ACTIVITY as a much > higher level by a clinician. > > -- > Kind regards, > Ing. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez > LinkedIn: http://uy.linkedin.com/in/pablopazosgutierrez > Blog: http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/ppazos > >> From: Ian.McNicoll at oceaninformatics.com >> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:45:56 +0100 > >> Subject: Re: Commiting ACTIONs for the same INSTRUCTION ACTIVITY >> To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org > >> >> Hi Pablo, >> >> Thanks for the example. It makes more sense now, although I have to >> say that it feels to me as if you are overloading the idea of >> ACTIVITY/ACTION in this scenario. My approach would have been to >> regard the whole exercise program as a single task modelled as an >> Activity, and just to capture the patient-reported progress as part of >> the ACTION archetype, and only change state at a much higher-level i.e >> when the whole program is scheduled, starts or stops. >> >> There is nothing technically wrong with what you are suggesting, of >> course. >> >> I would be interested in other's thoughts - not sure if this is more >> appropriate for the clinical list? >> >> Ian >> >> >> >> On 9 August 2012 18:28, pablo pazos wrote: >> > Yes! this is really clear and has been a great help. >> > >> > Thanks a lot. >> > >> > >> > Just to give info that may help other in the future: in our case, the >> > instruction is a recommendation to do some exercise, and we need to know >> > if >> > the activity (the exercise) is completed. We consider a completed >> > activity >> > to be one exercise instance, e.g. one walk in the park. But the >> > recommendation is something like "walk 30 min/day for 2 weeks", so I >> > think a >> > good approach is to create one ACTIVITY for each day, and let the >> > patient >> > change the state of each day's ACTIVITY (scheduled, started, completed). >> > >> > In this case, if the day passes and the activity was never "active", >> > we'll >> > mark it as "expired". >> > >> > Of course, any comments about this scenario are very welcome. >> > >> > -- >> > Kind regards, >> > Ing. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez >> > LinkedIn: http://uy.linkedin.com/in/pablopazosgutierrez >> > Blog: http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/ >> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/ppazos >> > >> > >> > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:07:31 +0100 >> > >> > From: thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com >> > To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org >> > Subject: Re: Commiting ACTIONs for the same INSTRUCTION ACTIVITY >> > >> > On 09/08/2012 17:44, pablo pazos wrote: >> > >> > Hi Thomas, >> > >> > I agree with that, but I think we are talking about different scenarios. >> > I >> > understand we can have various ACTIONs for "active" states (and >> > reschedule >> > or suspend/resume transitions). >> > >> > My question is: if an ACTIVITY is "completed" (or "aborted" or >> > "expired", >> > i.e. a terminated state) >> > >> > is it possible or valid to start another execution cycle for that >> > ACTIVITY >> > instance? or, >> > should I create another ACTIVITY instance with the same info in order to >> > execute it? i.e. create another ACTION with state "scheduled" or >> > "active" >> > for the same ACTIVITY that is "completed". >> > >> > >> > Ah - good question (sorry, didn't read your earlier post properly!) >> > >> > The current model is designed
FW: ADL - syntax highlight for Notepad++
Hi Pablo, This sounds great. I will be emailing a request. Perhaps Thomas could upload it to the Downloads section on the openEHR site, if that was ok for you and your student. Ian On 10 August 2012 00:56, pablo pazos wrote: > Hi guys, > > One of my students developed an ADL syntax highlight for Notepad++ > > I cannot attach it here, drop me a line and I'll sent it to you: > pablo at openehr.org.es > > -- > Kind regards, > Ing. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez > LinkedIn: http://uy.linkedin.com/in/pablopazosgutierrez > Blog: http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/ppazos > >> From: yampeku at gmail.com >> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:52:04 +0200 > >> Subject: Re: ADL - syntax highlight for Notepad++ >> To: openehr-technical at openehr.org > >> >> I haven't heard that anyone has developed it yet, but that is a very good >> idea >> >> 2009/10/5 gjb : >> > I wonder if anyone has created themselves a syntax highlight file >> > for use with Notepad++ >> > http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm >> > and would be willing to share it? >> > >> > Gavin Brelstaff CRS4 >> > ___ >> > openEHR-technical mailing list >> > openEHR-technical at openehr.org >> > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Diego Bosc? Tom?s >> >> Grupo IBIME >> Instituto ITACA - Universidad Polit?cnica de Valencia >> Acceso B >> Edificio 8G >> Camino Vera s/n >> 46022 VALENCIA (Spain) >> ext: 75277 >> >> http://ibime.upv.es >> >> ___ >> openEHR-technical mailing list >> openEHR-technical at openehr.org >> http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical > > ___ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org -- Dr Ian McNicoll office +44 (0)1536 414 994 fax +44 (0)1536 516317 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK Director openEHR Foundation www.openehr.org/knowledge Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL SCIMP Working Group, NHS Scotland BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org
