[archetypes.com.au] Functionality to compare two archetypes
Hi Mikael, hi Sam, Thank you for your comments. There is room for improvement in displaying this - I think often Javascript (without server interaction like with AJAX) is used for this. I created a feature request for this. Also I'd like a better display of the hierarchy within the archetype, e.g. if a cluster is added with heaps of elements in it, they should be displayed 'below' the cluster. Cheers Sebastian From: Mikael Nystr?m [mailto:mi...@imt.liu.se] Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2007 6:49 AM To: 'For openEHR technical discussions' Subject: RE: [archetypes.com.au] Functionality to compare two archetypes Hi Sam, Of course it improves the risk for the user to unconsciously hide the changes the user is looking for, but in general I believe that it is a good thing to implement useful functionality even if it improves the risk for a beginner to do to something wrong. (I believe that we non native English speakers think about managing information in multiple languages as a more complex task than native English speakers.) Greetings, Mikael From: openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@openehr.org] On Behalf Of Sam Heard Sent: den 12 september 2007 22:05 To: For openEHR technical discussions Subject: Re: [archetypes.com.au] Functionality to compare two archetypes Hi everyone We need to be careful here as this will show the changes and if there have (inadvertently) been changes in other languages then we do want the author to know. There should not be changes in more than one language for most of the archetype... I am not sure a dynamic filter will be easy at this stage. Ajax? Cheers, Sam Mikael Nystr?m wrote: Hi Sebastian, Nice work! I, who quite often work with medical information in more than one language, think it would be nice to add a column with the language code for each line when it is suitable and maybe the possibility of selecting to only show the differences for one of the languages in the archetype. Otherwise it can be quite annoying to compare archetypes which contain many languages. Greetings, Mikael From: openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@openehr.org] On Behalf Of Sebastian Garde Sent: den 10 september 2007 10:12 To: openehr-technical at openehr.org Subject: [archetypes.com.au] Functionality to compare two archetypes Dear all, We have added prototype functionality to the Archetypefinder to compare two versions/revisions of an archetype at http://www.archetypes.com.au/archetypefinder/compare.html. This functionality will later be integrated into the appropriate tools, but can be useful on its own too. You can upload two archetypes and then see what changes have been made between the two versions of an archetype. Also, the type of the changes with regard to compatibility of the two archetypes (e.g. 'compatible with revision', 'requires new version' or 'descriptive change') is shown. Have a look - USAGE: You can use URLs to archetypes as well as upload archetypes directly from your local system . For example, you can use a modified blood pressure archetype and compare it with the current blood pressure archetype from the openEHR site. For this just 1. Go to http://www.archetypes.com.au/archetypefinder/compare.html, 2. Copy the URL http://svn.openehr.org/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/ehr/entry/observation/openEHR-EHR-OBSERVATION.blood_pressure.v1.adl and paste it into the webform as URL for the original archetype (1st row, last column) 3. Copy the URL http://healthinformatics.cqu.edu.au/archetypefinder/openEHR-EHR-OBSERVATION.blood_pressure.v1.adl and paste it into the webform as URL for the modified archetype (2nd row, last column) 4. Click the 'Compare Archetypes'-button Please note that this is a prototype. We would be glad about any feedback, bug reports, ideas, discussion. Especially, if you disagree with some of the conclusions about the compatibility of two archetypes you submitted, please drop me an email or discuss via this list! It is important to make the compatibility of archetypes explicit, so that archetype-enabled software can decide this - we want to settle this issue once and for all! Many thanks to Stefan Fuchs from the UMIT in Austria for heaps of hard work on this during an internship with us! Best regards, Sebastian Dr Sebastian Garde Dr. sc. hum., Dipl.-Inform. Med, FACHI Research Fellow Faculty of Business and Informatics, Central Queensland University Austin Centre for Applied Clinical Informatics, Austin Health Heidelberg Vic 3084, Australia s.garde at cqu.edu.au Ph: +61 (0)3 9496 4040 Fax: +61 (0)3 9496 4224 http://healthinformatics.cqu.edu.au http
[archetypes.com.au] Functionality to compare two archetypes
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[archetypes.com.au] Functionality to compare two archetypes
Hi Sebastian, Nice work! I, who quite often work with medical information in more than one language, think it would be nice to add a column with the language code for each line when it is suitable and maybe the possibility of selecting to only show the differences for one of the languages in the archetype. Otherwise it can be quite annoying to compare archetypes which contain many languages. Greetings, Mikael _ From: openehr-technical-boun...@openehr.org [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org] On Behalf Of Sebastian Garde Sent: den 10 september 2007 10:12 To: openehr-technical at openehr.org Subject: [archetypes.com.au] Functionality to compare two archetypes Dear all, We have added prototype functionality to the Archetypefinder to compare two versions/revisions of an archetype at http://www.archetypes.com.au/archetypefinder/compare.html. This functionality will later be integrated into the appropriate tools, but can be useful on its own too. You can upload two archetypes and then see what changes have been made between the two versions of an archetype. Also, the type of the changes with regard to compatibility of the two archetypes (e.g. ?compatible with revision?, ?requires new version? or ?descriptive change?) is shown. Have a look - USAGE: You can use URLs to archetypes as well as upload archetypes directly from your local system . For example, you can use a modified blood pressure archetype and compare it with the current blood pressure archetype from the openEHR site. For this just 1. Go to http://www.archetypes.com.au/archetypefinder/compare.html, 2. Copy the URL http://svn.openehr.org/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/ehr/entry/observ ation/openEHR-EHR-OBSERVATION.blood_pressure.v1.adl and paste it into the webform as URL for the original archetype (1st row, last column) 3. Copy the URL http://healthinformatics.cqu.edu.au/archetypefinder/openEHR-EHR-OBSERVATION. blood_pressure.v1.adl and paste it into the webform as URL for the modified archetype (2nd row, last column) 4. Click the ?Compare Archetypes?-button Please note that this is a prototype. We would be glad about any feedback, bug reports, ideas, discussion. Especially, if you disagree with some of the conclusions about the compatibility of two archetypes you submitted, please drop me an email or discuss via this list! It is important to make the compatibility of archetypes explicit, so that archetype-enabled software can decide this - we want to settle this issue once and for all! Many thanks to Stefan Fuchs from the UMIT in Austria for heaps of hard work on this during an internship with us! Best regards, Sebastian Dr Sebastian Garde Dr. sc. hum., Dipl.-Inform. Med, FACHI Research Fellow Faculty of Business and Informatics, Central Queensland University Austin Centre for Applied Clinical Informatics, Austin Health Heidelberg Vic 3084, Australia s.garde at cqu.edu.au Ph: +61 (0)3 9496 4040 Fax: +61 (0)3 9496 4224 http://healthinformatics.cqu.edu.au http://healthinformatics.cqu.edu.au/ http://www.acaci.org.au http://www.acaci.org.au/ Visit the new open access electronic Journal of Health Informatics (eJHI): http://ejhi.net http://ejhi.net/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/private/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20070912/b56bf131/attachment.html
[archetypes.com.au] Functionality to compare two archetypes
Hi Sam, Of course it improves the risk for the user to unconsciously hide the changes the user is looking for, but in general I believe that it is a good thing to implement useful functionality even if it improves the risk for a beginner to do to something wrong. (I believe that we non native English speakers think about managing information in multiple languages as a more complex task than native English speakers.) Greetings, Mikael _ From: openehr-technical-boun...@openehr.org [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org] On Behalf Of Sam Heard Sent: den 12 september 2007 22:05 To: For openEHR technical discussions Subject: Re: [archetypes.com.au] Functionality to compare two archetypes Hi everyone We need to be careful here as this will show the changes and if there have (inadvertently) been changes in other languages then we do want the author to know. There should not be changes in more than one language for most of the archetype... I am not sure a dynamic filter will be easy at this stage. Ajax? Cheers, Sam Mikael Nystr?m wrote: Hi Sebastian, Nice work! I, who quite often work with medical information in more than one language, think it would be nice to add a column with the language code for each line when it is suitable and maybe the possibility of selecting to only show the differences for one of the languages in the archetype. Otherwise it can be quite annoying to compare archetypes which contain many languages. Greetings, Mikael _ From: openehr-technical-boun...@openehr.org [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org] On Behalf Of Sebastian Garde Sent: den 10 september 2007 10:12 To: openehr-technical at openehr.org Subject: [archetypes.com.au] Functionality to compare two archetypes Dear all, We have added prototype functionality to the Archetypefinder to compare two versions/revisions of an archetype at http://www.archetypes.com.au/archetypefinder/compare.html. This functionality will later be integrated into the appropriate tools, but can be useful on its own too. You can upload two archetypes and then see what changes have been made between the two versions of an archetype. Also, the type of the changes with regard to compatibility of the two archetypes (e.g. ?compatible with revision?, ?requires new version? or ?descriptive change?) is shown. Have a look - USAGE: You can use URLs to archetypes as well as upload archetypes directly from your local system . For example, you can use a modified blood pressure archetype and compare it with the current blood pressure archetype from the openEHR site. For this just 1. Go to http://www.archetypes.com.au/archetypefinder/compare.html, 2. Copy the URL http://svn.openehr.org/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/ehr/entry/observ ation/openEHR-EHR-OBSERVATION.blood_pressure.v1.adl and paste it into the webform as URL for the original archetype (1st row, last column) 3. Copy the URL http://healthinformatics.cqu.edu.au/archetypefinder/openEHR-EHR-OBSERVATION. blood_pressure.v1.adl and paste it into the webform as URL for the modified archetype (2nd row, last column) 4. Click the ?Compare Archetypes?-button Please note that this is a prototype. We would be glad about any feedback, bug reports, ideas, discussion. Especially, if you disagree with some of the conclusions about the compatibility of two archetypes you submitted, please drop me an email or discuss via this list! It is important to make the compatibility of archetypes explicit, so that archetype-enabled software can decide this - we want to settle this issue once and for all! Many thanks to Stefan Fuchs from the UMIT in Austria for heaps of hard work on this during an internship with us! Best regards, Sebastian Dr Sebastian Garde Dr. sc. hum., Dipl.-Inform. Med, FACHI Research Fellow Faculty of Business and Informatics, Central Queensland University Austin Centre for Applied Clinical Informatics, Austin Health Heidelberg Vic 3084, Australia s.garde at cqu.edu.au Ph: +61 (0)3 9496 4040 Fax: +61 (0)3 9496 4224 http://healthinformatics.cqu.edu.au http://healthinformatics.cqu.edu.au/ http://www.acaci.org.au http://www.acaci.org.au/ Visit the new open access electronic Journal of Health Informatics (eJHI): http://ejhi.net http://ejhi.net/ _ ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical -- Dr Sam Heard Chief Executive Officer Ocean Informatics Director, openEHR Foundation Adj. Professor, Central Queensland University Senior Visiting Research Fellow, University College London Aus: +61 4 1783 8808 UK: +44 77 9871 0980 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http
[archetypes.com.au] Functionality to compare two archetypes
Hi Sebastian! It is a very nice piece of work you and Stefan have done! I fully agree that we need to make archetypes compatibility checking explicit and this is a very good start. It will be useful to publish the algorithm that you used for comparison so others could comment. And the same algorithm could be implemented in different tools to ensure interoperability of archetypes. Cheers, Rong On 9/10/07, Sebastian Garde s.garde at cqu.edu.au wrote: Dear all, We have added prototype functionality to the Archetypefinder to compare two versions/revisions of an archetype at http://www.archetypes.com.au/archetypefinder/compare.html. This functionality will later be integrated into the appropriate tools, but can be useful on its own too. You can upload two archetypes and then see what changes have been made between the two versions of an archetype. Also, the type of the changes with regard to compatibility of the two archetypes (e.g. 'compatible with revision', 'requires new version' or 'descriptive change') is shown. Have a look - USAGE: You can use URLs to archetypes as well as upload archetypes directly from your local system . For example, you can use a modified blood pressure archetype and compare it with the current blood pressure archetype from the openEHR site. For this just 1. Go to http://www.archetypes.com.au/archetypefinder/compare.html, 2. Copy the URL http://svn.openehr.org/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/ehr/entry/observation/openEHR-EHR-OBSERVATION.blood_pressure.v1.adl and paste it into the webform as URL for the original archetype (1st row, last column) 3. Copy the URL http://healthinformatics.cqu.edu.au/archetypefinder/openEHR-EHR-OBSERVATION.blood_pressure.v1.adl and paste it into the webform as URL for the modified archetype (2nd row, last column) 4. Click the 'Compare Archetypes'-button Please note that this is a prototype. We would be glad about any feedback, bug reports, ideas, discussion. Especially, if you disagree with some of the conclusions about the compatibility of two archetypes you submitted, please drop me an email or discuss via this list! It is important to make the compatibility of archetypes explicit, so that archetype-enabled software can decide this - we want to settle this issue once and for all! Many thanks to Stefan Fuchs from the UMIT in Austria for heaps of hard work on this during an internship with us! Best regards, Sebastian Dr Sebastian Garde Dr. sc. hum., Dipl.-Inform. Med, FACHI Research Fellow Faculty of Business and Informatics, Central Queensland University Austin Centre for Applied Clinical Informatics, Austin Health Heidelberg Vic 3084, Australia s.garde at cqu.edu.au Ph: +61 (0)3 9496 4040 Fax: +61 (0)3 9496 4224 http://healthinformatics.cqu.edu.au http://www.acaci.org.au Visit the new open access electronic Journal of Health Informatics (eJHI): http://ejhi.net ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical
[archetypes.com.au] Functionality to compare two archetypes
Rong Chen wrote: Hi Sebastian! It is a very nice piece of work you and Stefan have done! I fully agree that we need to make archetypes compatibility checking explicit and this is a very good start. It will be useful to publish the algorithm that you used for comparison so others could comment. And the same algorithm could be implemented in different tools to ensure interoperability of archetypes. I have just been thinking about the specification for this area myself, and how we should approach it. In our software, we have just successfully done the 'flat-form' - 'differential form' transformation of specialised archetypes, and we are now working on the differential - flat-form transform (i.e. compression through inheritance). These two transforms allow hierarchies of specialisations to be properly processed. The excellent work Sebastian mentions above gives us some generic differencing, even between non-parent/child pairs. There are probably some more variants we need as well. My proposal would be that once we have perfected the transformations/comparisons in software, that we document the algorithms in the Archetype Semantics document (currently an early draft lives here - http://svn.openehr.org/specification/TAGS/Release-1.0.1/publishing/architecture/am/archetype_semantics.pdf). This will provide guidance for other tool builders, and a solid reference for what we believe the semantics are. - thomas
