Re: [OE-core] Patches are stuck in master-next

[Adrian Bunk]

On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 04:35:21PM +0100, Richard Purdie wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-07-08 at 17:07 +0200, Christian Eggers wrote:
> > From Richard I got no response to the question whether
> > potentially every package may be extended for nativesdk/native,
> > or these platforms a reserved for packages required for "building".
> 
> There needs to be a sensible use case for extending them. It doesn't
> come for free and increases parse time for each extension added.

My biggest worry is a different one:

Native is built by the host compiler, and Yocto stable series aim at
supporting hosts with future distributions. Something like "building
dunfell on hosts with gcc 11" is easier when there are fewer recipes
that have to be patched.

> Cheers,
> 
> Richard

cu
Adrian
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Re: [OE-core] Patches are stuck in master-next

[Richard Purdie]

On Wed, 2020-07-08 at 17:07 +0200, Christian Eggers wrote:
> From Richard I got no response to the question whether
> potentially every package may be extended for nativesdk/native,
> or these platforms a reserved for packages required for "building".

There needs to be a sensible use case for extending them. It doesn't
come for free and increases parse time for each extension added.

Cheers,

Richard

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Re: [OE-core] Patches are stuck in master-next

[Christian Eggers]

Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2020, 16:20:03 CEST schrieb Adrian Bunk:
> I would rather ask why you aren't running automatic unit tests
> built for the target inside qemu.
>
> cu
> Adrian

This may be an option. Currently the platform (x86 or arm)
decides whether real peripheral routines or mock objects
will be used. Of course this can easily be changed. But
running the tests within a (slow) emulator brings not much
benefit compared to building and running the tests directly
on x86.

Instead of using NATIVE, also the NATIVESDK build could
be executed within qemu on the build machine... (without
qemu, nativesdk executables cannot be executed on the
build machine due to non existing loader in .interp section).

>From Richard I got no response to the question whether
potentially every package may be extended for nativesdk/native,
or these platforms a reserved for packages required for "building".

regards
Christian



 
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Re: [OE-core] Patches are stuck in master-next

[Adrian Bunk]

On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 11:40:30AM +0200, Christian Eggers wrote:
>...
> For NATIVE, I need the libs for running automatic unit tests on the
> build machine. One could probably ask whether unit tests should
> depend on libraries like libudev or libnm.
>...

I would rather ask why you aren't running automatic unit tests
built for the target inside qemu.

> regards
> Christian

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Re: [OE-core] Patches are stuck in master-next

[Richard Purdie]

On Wed, 2020-07-08 at 11:40 +0200, Christian Eggers wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2020, 11:20:40 CEST schrieb Richard Purdie:
> > The issue is I still don't really like the eudev one in particular.
> > A
> > native eudev really doesn't make sense and I'm reluctant to
> > encourage
> > people to build such a thing. I suspect you can't convince
> > networkmanager-native to build without it (although I'm not
> > convinced
> > a native libnm is that useful either).
> 
> For NATIVESDK, I need the libs because I deploy a x86 version
> of our embedded application for our internal integration test team.
> Sure, I
> could built two cross SDKs (one for ARM, one for x86), but
> (mis?)using
> NATIVESDK for getting the x86 version of our applications works
> very fine for me.
> 
> For NATIVE, I need the libs for running automatic unit tests on the
> build machine. One could probably ask whether unit tests should
> depend on libraries like libudev or libnm.
> 
> Please let me know, which of the additions (NATIVE / NATIVESDK)
> are welcome. I'm only offering to share my work, I'm also fine
> keeping this in my private layer.

I don't mind taking the libnl change, I can see reasons that could make
sense. I think the eudev change is a little too specific to your use
case and isn't something that makes sense in OE-Core so I think I'd
prefer to not take that one.

If large numbers of people come forward saying they need/use it, we can
reconsider that but we're not seeing that at the moment.

Cheers,

Richard

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Re: [OE-core] Patches are stuck in master-next

[Christian Eggers]

Hi Richard,

Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2020, 11:20:40 CEST schrieb Richard Purdie:
> The issue is I still don't really like the eudev one in particular. A
> native eudev really doesn't make sense and I'm reluctant to encourage
> people to build such a thing. I suspect you can't convince
> networkmanager-native to build without it (although I'm not convinced
> a native libnm is that useful either).

For NATIVESDK, I need the libs because I deploy a x86 version
of our embedded application for our internal integration test team. Sure, I
could built two cross SDKs (one for ARM, one for x86), but (mis?)using
NATIVESDK for getting the x86 version of our applications works
very fine for me.

For NATIVE, I need the libs for running automatic unit tests on the
build machine. One could probably ask whether unit tests should
depend on libraries like libudev or libnm.

Please let me know, which of the additions (NATIVE / NATIVESDK)
are welcome. I'm only offering to share my work, I'm also fine
keeping this in my private layer.

regards
Christian




 
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Re: [OE-core] Patches are stuck in master-next

[Richard Purdie]

On Wed, 2020-07-08 at 08:20 +0200, Christian Eggers wrote:
> Two of my patches are in master-next since some time. Is there any
> reason why
> they don't appear in master?
> 
> https://patchwork.openembedded.org/series/24760/#
> https://patchwork.openembedded.org/series/24775/#
> 
> I would like to send further patches for meta-openembedded which
> depend on the above ones.

The issue is I still don't really like the eudev one in particular. A
native eudev really doesn't make sense and I'm reluctant to encourage
people to build such a thing. I suspect you can't convince
networkmanager-native to build without it (although I'm not convinced
a native libnm is that useful either).

Cheers,

Richard



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[OE-core] Patches are stuck in master-next

[Christian Eggers]

Two of my patches are in master-next since some time. Is there any reason why
they don't appear in master?

https://patchwork.openembedded.org/series/24760/#
https://patchwork.openembedded.org/series/24775/#

I would like to send further patches for meta-openembedded which
depend on the above ones.

regards
Christian




 
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