Re: next steps. (was Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update)
Richard Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, What you say seems fine. But software patents can cause problems to us here. Most software come from the US and software is so expensive that there is rampant piracy of software in many countires. Recent WTO agreements have made this illegal and therefore it is not posssible for people here to get pirated copies anymore. This is a good thing, in my opinion, but there are many people who find that they can't get software nor can they afford it. They are frustrated and unhappy. They look at FOSS with some interest and our LUG has been very actively doing a lot of stuff. The government agency setup to do the e-government and promotion are also naturally interested. However patents related to software is rearing it's ugly head and worrying people here. We feel if software patents are brought in here by law, it will cause a lot of concern as peopl here can ill afford legal costs that may come with such laws. You in the US and me because I use FOSS for everything do not care. But for students and people here software costs are prohibitive. Piracy was a godsend that has now gone. They feel helpless, don't they? The digital divide is maintained. This is why any laws that may affect FOSS worries us as it is the only way forward. Even those in the US and EU do not think software patent issues are silly. NandA Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: Definitely no anti-US sentiments from here. But we worry about the laws which stifle the development of lesser developed countires in their progress inICT. Really? That amazes me. Alright, I'll play U.S. QnA session here. Tell me your concerns and I'll try to address them as they relate to OSCHA operating internationally with members in the U.S. First off... Silly patents that have been applied for are irrelevant to OSCHA. Membership in the WTO, as Malaysia has achieved, help protect OSCHA's intellectual properties. If OSCHA is registered in the U.S. as a trade association all anyone has to do is sign up. It's that easy. If OSCHA is registered as a domestic, U.S. non-profit corporation all we have to do is direct OSCHA resources to carry out its mission in other countries. OSCHA branches in other countries might have different limitations and permissions on its activities. Richard - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group openhealth on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - - Blab-away for as little as 1ยข/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: next steps. (was Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update)
On Mar 28, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Richard Schilling wrote: I'm simply saying I'll do the work and give OSCHA a physical presence here, as long as I know there will be people there to sign up. I don't want to establish a U.S. presence for OSCHA that has no interest. Building up an OSCHA presence in the U.S. that spans political and international boundaries is vital. Richard, I don't see a need for a formal national OSCHA entity in the USA. I think now is a time to allow Molly and the other initiators to focus on a successful relaunch of the international effort that is OSCHA. I intend to let them get the international effort stable, and to assist as needed. [wr] - - - - - - - - will ross project manager mendocino informatics 216 west perkins street, suite 206 ukiah, california 95482 usa 707.272.7255 [voice] 707.462.5015 [fax] www.minformatics.com - - - - - - - - Getting people to adopt common standards is impeded by patents. Sir Tim Berners-Lee - - - - - - - - Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: next steps. (was Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for your offer Richard. Molly and others have spent a great deal of time in developing this organization. While it is not a particularly inviting subject, the ideology of 'where to incorporate' first is an issue. One that has been discussed privately and publicly over the past four years. Incorporation in various countries can follow if required at a later date. Molly's assertiveness is appreciated (at least by me) in her ability to make things happen in a timely manner. She deserves your support. Molly has done well in establishing an international coalition for the protem board. Molly, your work is appreciated even if not globally recognized. Please carry on. It is important, in the global business arena, that OSHCA is an 'entity'. Being registered as an organization/corporation is VERY important. Regards, Tim Cook Richard Schilling wrote: As soon as I have those four things, I'll get the paperwork drafted. Looks like OSCHA would be technically classified in the U.S. as an international trade association. Non-profit as well. I have an office that can be used here in Seattle as a base for OSHCA activities. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEKh3AMOzvb7luwR0RAlvaAJkB9HVcB1Imbq4bHsrQ065ee7CgXACdESdS 3dtosnCNUt2mf1rpuMj0nMM= =aF/O -END PGP SIGNATURE- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: next steps. (was Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update)
Molly certainly has my support. I don't mean to suggest she doesn't. And I do appreciate her assertiveness as well. Ultimately I can work with any locale of registration to some degree. Tim, I offered to help four years ago too when this subject was being kicked around. I'm certain that things would have gotten much farther than they have by now if Minoru hadn't taken so long to transfer the OSHCA trademark to an independent organization. Molly deserves extra credit for hanging in there. I'm anxious to see things progress. It doesn't sound like, though, you or anyone is interested in seeing a U.S. component. Is that true? Richard Tim Cook wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for your offer Richard. Molly and others have spent a great deal of time in developing this organization. While it is not a particularly inviting subject, the ideology of 'where to incorporate' first is an issue. One that has been discussed privately and publicly over the past four years. Incorporation in various countries can follow if required at a later date. Molly's assertiveness is appreciated (at least by me) in her ability to make things happen in a timely manner. She deserves your support. Molly has done well in establishing an international coalition for the protem board. Molly, your work is appreciated even if not globally recognized. Please carry on. It is important, in the global business arena, that OSHCA is an 'entity'. Being registered as an organization/corporation is VERY important. Regards, Tim Cook Richard Schilling wrote: As soon as I have those four things, I'll get the paperwork drafted. Looks like OSCHA would be technically classified in the U.S. as an international trade association. Non-profit as well. I have an office that can be used here in Seattle as a base for OSHCA activities. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEKh3AMOzvb7luwR0RAlvaAJkB9HVcB1Imbq4bHsrQ065ee7CgXACdESdS 3dtosnCNUt2mf1rpuMj0nMM= =aF/O -END PGP SIGNATURE- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: next steps. (was Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update)
Agreed, Tim. Molly is a long-standing member of the FOSS healthcare community and deserves kudos for running with OSHCA. As an American, I am certainly more comfortable with the US legal system than I am with the Malaysian system but (a) I understand that no legal system is perfect, (b) I trust Molly and the rest of the pro tem committee, and (c) no matter which country is selected, there will be some who are more comfortable with it than others. So, as far as I am concerned, Molly et al - go for it. Perhaps in the future we can create and incorporate national branches / franchises of OSHCA in each country. For now, thank you for your willingness to take it forward. Regards -- Bhaskar On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 23:40 -0600, Tim Cook wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for your offer Richard. Molly and others have spent a great deal of time in developing this organization. While it is not a particularly inviting subject, the ideology of 'where to incorporate' first is an issue. One that has been discussed privately and publicly over the past four years. Incorporation in various countries can follow if required at a later date. Molly's assertiveness is appreciated (at least by me) in her ability to make things happen in a timely manner. She deserves your support. Molly has done well in establishing an international coalition for the protem board. Molly, your work is appreciated even if not globally recognized. Please carry on. It is important, in the global business arena, that OSHCA is an 'entity'. Being registered as an organization/corporation is VERY important. Regards, Tim Cook Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: next steps. (was Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Schilling wrote: Molly deserves extra credit for hanging in there. I'm anxious to see things progress. It doesn't sound like, though, you or anyone is interested in seeing a U.S. component. Is that true? Richard Hi Richard, Let me be quite clear in that I would enjoy seeing a US component. I doubt there is ANYONE more patriotic to the US than I (retired US Marine MSgt.) However, I try to be very pragmatic in world politics and quite frankly our latest President is a duff! If it was 1969 I would move to Canada anywaythough that is another story entirely. I love my country and in the great big scheme of things the men and women of he US are fair and decent people. However, the stage of politics is embarrassing and frankly depressing. As Ben Franklin said: - -- The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. Benjamin Franklin - --- Cheers, Tim -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEKiiSMOzvb7luwR0RAmGXAKCb07nRFLJXIedrwf34MpssbSdNMACfTc1R mqvdNrtrYQBGuRKMfjMzNI8= =jfzp -END PGP SIGNATURE- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: next steps. (was Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update)
I know Tim - a lot of people feel the way you do. I try to be as politically agnostic as I can in the FOSS realm, and sometimes that confuses people. Someone mentioned the bad U.S. press too. I don't watch U.S. news, BTW :-) I'm simply saying I'll do the work and give OSCHA a physical presence here, as long as I know there will be people there to sign up. I don't want to establish a U.S. presence for OSCHA that has no interest. Building up an OSCHA presence in the U.S. that spans political and international boundaries is vital. Richard Tim Cook wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Schilling wrote: Molly deserves extra credit for hanging in there. I'm anxious to see things progress. It doesn't sound like, though, you or anyone is interested in seeing a U.S. component. Is that true? Richard Hi Richard, Let me be quite clear in that I would enjoy seeing a US component. I doubt there is ANYONE more patriotic to the US than I (retired US Marine MSgt.) However, I try to be very pragmatic in world politics and quite frankly our latest President is a duff! If it was 1969 I would move to Canada anywaythough that is another story entirely. I love my country and in the great big scheme of things the men and women of he US are fair and decent people. However, the stage of politics is embarrassing and frankly depressing. As Ben Franklin said: - -- The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. Benjamin Franklin - --- Cheers, Tim -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEKiiSMOzvb7luwR0RAmGXAKCb07nRFLJXIedrwf34MpssbSdNMACfTc1R mqvdNrtrYQBGuRKMfjMzNI8= =jfzp -END PGP SIGNATURE- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: next steps. (was Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update)
Tim Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a great admierer of the US and it's people, the films, the sports, the comics on which I was introduced to reading :-) I still think it is one of the best countires and even the President is not all bad flamebait Most of the FOSS software come from the US too. Definitely no anti-US sentiments from here. But we worry about the laws which stifle the development of lesser developed countires in their progress inICT. Nandalal -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Schilling wrote: Molly deserves extra credit for hanging in there. I'm anxious to see things progress. It doesn't sound like, though, you or anyone is interested in seeing a U.S. component. Is that true? Richard Hi Richard, Let me be quite clear in that I would enjoy seeing a US component. I doubt there is ANYONE more patriotic to the US than I (retired US Marine MSgt.) However, I try to be very pragmatic in world politics and quite frankly our latest President is a duff! If it was 1969 I would move to Canada anywaythough that is another story entirely. I love my country and in the great big scheme of things the men and women of he US are fair and decent people. However, the stage of politics is embarrassing and frankly depressing. As Ben Franklin said: - -- The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. Benjamin Franklin - --- Cheers, Tim -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEKiiSMOzvb7luwR0RAmGXAKCb07nRFLJXIedrwf34MpssbSdNMACfTc1R mqvdNrtrYQBGuRKMfjMzNI8= =jfzp -END PGP SIGNATURE- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Software distribution Salon software Medical software Software association Software jewelry Software deployment - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group openhealth on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1cent;/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
