Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] HPLIP 3.15.9 testing

[Jim Klimov]

3 ноября 2015 г. 5:15:19 CET, Alexander Pyhalov  пишет:
>Good morning.
>
>Tim Mooney писал 02.11.2015 23:18:
>  ^^
>> It's not realistic to assume that a printer that requires
>> a binary plugin for Linux is going to work on any Illumos derivative.
>> Even if you're able to fake out the plugin installer enough to make
>it
>> think that your system is a Linux system that it recognizes, once
>> the plugin is deposited onto your system, it's not going to work.
>> 
>
>I know, but as script also checked for /etc/issue, I supposed it was 
>designed to work on Oracle Solaris.
>And using Solaris binary is more realistic...
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana Hipster 2015.10 snapshot is available

[Carl Brewer]

On 4/10/2015 8:45 AM, Alexander Pyhalov wrote:

Hi there.
We are glad to announce that OpenIndiana Hipster 2015.10 snapshot is
available.


any chance of a torrent for the iso's at all?

thank you!

Carl




Images:
http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/OI-hipster-gui-20151003.iso
http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/OI-hipster-gui-20151003.usb

http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/OI-hipster-text-20151003.iso
http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/OI-hipster-text-20151003.usb

SHA256 sums:

04bebb5a758b4c0816dda46f88bc43806b4f35d81b809ecdd204961aa1e2458b
OI-hipster-gui-20151003.iso
d76e949420423aa1e98464cea203190583dba9492463a5772f6f95baa906
OI-hipster-gui-20151003.usb
a8f1cf9d2abf34dcb31778a20a5a7355a1197d8a65ab604d7ccbea3c1622b96f
OI-hipster-text-20151003.iso
85fa5245717915799353b5e1987aaad67e71555c04528dd51457f01f848eb6e4
OI-hipster-text-20151003.usb

Release notes: http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/2015.10+Release+notes




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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for USB3?

[Philip Robar]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Rich Teer  wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Jonathan Adams wrote:
>
> > You might be better off with a FreeNAS setup instead of Linux+ZFS, as
> long
> > as you don't mind configuring it via a browser interface ... We have 3 of
> > the beasties now running in production environments and they even have
> ZFS
> > boot (and they don't forget how to do ZFS when they get a new kernel)
>
> Hmm, that's a good idea (although the browser-only stuff gives me pause).
> I
> like the idea of ZFS boot.  I guess I should really take a closer look at
> ZFS
> on FreeBSD too...
>

Bear in mind that USB3 is still experimental in FreeNAS/FreeBSD 9.3—the
current stable version of FreeNAS—so you have to explicitly turn it on. My
USB3 PCIe card works, but the USB3 ports on my Lenovo ThinkServer TS140
motherboard don't. And while there has been a lot of USB work in FreeBSD
10.x, USB3 is still hit and miss based on which USB chipset you have.

Phil
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for USB3?

[Rich Teer]

On Sun, 1 Nov 2015, Guenther Alka wrote:

> Your options are mainly with Solarish systems
> 
> - Oracle Solaris with USB 3 support
> but the following options are far better, faster or more robust to connect
> disks

[...]

All good ideas, and I agree, probably better in a commercial environment.
However (and I forgot to mention this), this is for my home server and I'm
strapped for cash at the moment, so I'm looking for a *cheap*, reasonably
performant solution.

I'm currently using the external drive bay with a USB 2 connection, plus
an eSATA drive (3-way mirror).  My plan is to drop the eSATA drive (it's
a 2 TB drive vs the 4 TB drives in the other drive bay), and stick to just
the USB port and (for the time being) live with the presumably crappy
performance that will bring.

>From the feedback I've received here, it seems that for better performance
(considering my budget) I will have to go the USB 3 route, which also means
that I may have to abandon a Solaris-based OS. :-(  In the immediate term,
that probably means going the Linux + ZFS on LInux route.  I'll buy a cheap
($30 or so) USB 3 card that is supported on Linux, and take it from there.
(I can't believe that I just wrote that; my how times have changed!)

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for USB3?

[Apostolos Syropoulos via openindiana-discuss]

> From the feedback I've received here, it seems that for better performance
> (considering my budget) I will have to go the USB 3 route, which also means
> that I may have to abandon a Solaris-based OS. :-(  In the immediate term,
> that probably means going the Linux + ZFS on LInux route.  I'll buy a cheap
> ($30 or so) USB 3 card that is supported on Linux, and take it from there.
> (I can't believe that I just wrote that; my how times have changed!)
> 


There are a few things that must find their way into the kernel or else...
KMS, USB3, UDFS. The problem is that most people have no idea how to write
a driver...


A.S.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for USB3?

[Rich Teer]

On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Jonathan Adams wrote:

> You might be better off with a FreeNAS setup instead of Linux+ZFS, as long
> as you don't mind configuring it via a browser interface ... We have 3 of
> the beasties now running in production environments and they even have ZFS
> boot (and they don't forget how to do ZFS when they get a new kernel)

Hmm, that's a good idea (although the browser-only stuff gives me pause).  I
like the idea of ZFS boot.  I guess I should really take a closer look at ZFS
on FreeBSD too...

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for USB3?

[Jonathan Adams]

On 3 Nov 2015 19:53, "Rich Teer"  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2015, Guenther Alka wrote:
>
> > Your options are mainly with Solarish systems
> >
> > - Oracle Solaris with USB 3 support
> > but the following options are far better, faster or more robust to
connect
> > disks
>
> [...]
>
> All good ideas, and I agree, probably better in a commercial environment.
> However (and I forgot to mention this), this is for my home server and I'm
> strapped for cash at the moment, so I'm looking for a *cheap*, reasonably
> performant solution.
>
> I'm currently using the external drive bay with a USB 2 connection, plus
> an eSATA drive (3-way mirror).  My plan is to drop the eSATA drive (it's
> a 2 TB drive vs the 4 TB drives in the other drive bay), and stick to just
> the USB port and (for the time being) live with the presumably crappy
> performance that will bring.
>
> From the feedback I've received here, it seems that for better performance
> (considering my budget) I will have to go the USB 3 route, which also
means
> that I may have to abandon a Solaris-based OS. :-(  In the immediate term,
> that probably means going the Linux + ZFS on LInux route.  I'll buy a
cheap
> ($30 or so) USB 3 card that is supported on Linux, and take it from there.
> (I can't believe that I just wrote that; my how times have changed!)

You might be better off with a FreeNAS setup instead of Linux+ZFS, as long
as you don't mind configuring it via a browser interface ... We have 3 of
the beasties now running in production environments and they even have ZFS
boot (and they don't forget how to do ZFS when they get a new kernel)
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [discuss] Re: Support for USB3?

[Garrett D'Amore]

Oh, and just for a note, USB is *not* like writing another type of driver.
The entire USB framework is a scary beast all of its own, and sadly it also
uses & abuses STREAMs.  Implementing a modern USB3 stack should really be
done by creating a new nexus framework, and converting some of the leaf
drivers to it.  Our entire USB framework really needs some serious lovin’.
  But again, its just a problem finding priority and skills in confluence.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Philip Robar 
wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Apostolos Syropoulos via
> openindiana-discuss  wrote:
>
>> Writing [a USB3] driver from scratch is out of question...
>>
>
> As a naive, but fascinated lurker, I'm curious as to why? Is it because of
> the limited resources available in the OpenIndiana community or lack of
> interest in the Illumos community? If most other OSs (Windows, OS X, Linux,
> BSD, Solaris) all support USB 3 then why can't Illumos? If BSD's
> implementation isn't useful, how about Darwin's?
>
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [discuss] Re: Support for USB3?

[Garrett D'Amore]

Lack of sufficient time & interest on the part of the developers that do
have the skill to do this.  (There *might* be a half dozen of us that could
undertake this effort who are active in the community — but I suspect that
the real number is lower.  I can think of maybe four of us off the top of
my head, but we’re all pretty busy with other tasks.)

I’ve talked about this for years, but never seem to find the time to do the
job…

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Philip Robar 
wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Apostolos Syropoulos via
> openindiana-discuss  wrote:
>
>> Writing [a USB3] driver from scratch is out of question...
>>
>
> As a naive, but fascinated lurker, I'm curious as to why? Is it because of
> the limited resources available in the OpenIndiana community or lack of
> interest in the Illumos community? If most other OSs (Windows, OS X, Linux,
> BSD, Solaris) all support USB 3 then why can't Illumos? If BSD's
> implementation isn't useful, how about Darwin's?
>
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [discuss] Re: Support for USB3?

[Gary Mills]

On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 05:54:05PM -0800, Garrett D'Amore wrote:
> Oh, and just for a note, USB is *not* like writing another type of driver.
> The entire USB framework is a scary beast all of its own, and sadly it also
> uses & abuses STREAMs.  Implementing a modern USB3 stack should really be
> done by creating a new nexus framework, and converting some of the leaf
> drivers to it.  Our entire USB framework really needs some serious lovin’.
>   But again, its just a problem finding priority and skills in confluence.

Clearly, rewriting the USB stack is a big project.  Is there any way
that this can be broken down into pieces?  If that were possible,
several people could work on different aspects of USB at the same time
without affecting eachother.  Starting the project would be simpler
too.

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [discuss] Re: Support for USB3?

[Ian Collins]

Gary Mills wrote:

On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 05:54:05PM -0800, Garrett D'Amore wrote:

Oh, and just for a note, USB is *not* like writing another type of driver.
The entire USB framework is a scary beast all of its own, and sadly it also
uses & abuses STREAMs.  Implementing a modern USB3 stack should really be
done by creating a new nexus framework, and converting some of the leaf
drivers to it.  Our entire USB framework really needs some serious lovin’.
   But again, its just a problem finding priority and skills in confluence.

Clearly, rewriting the USB stack is a big project.  Is there any way
that this can be broken down into pieces?  If that were possible,
several people could work on different aspects of USB at the same time
without affecting eachother.  Starting the project would be simpler
too.



I have had a good look (at Garrett's suggestion) and it is a lot of 
work.  USB3 is more than just an incremental step over USB2.  It would 
be big job even if the underlying, notoriously poor performing, USB 
framework were retained.


I'd say it is impractical to attempt on a part time basis.

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [discuss] Re: Support for USB3?

[Alex Smith (K4RNT)]

My mistake. I thought I read CDDL in detail, but maybe I didn't read BSD
license in as much detail. Sorry bout that!

" 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the
first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and
warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all
damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
episode "The Drumhead"
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- Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:48 AM, Joerg Schilling <
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote:

> Alex Smith  wrote:
>
> > I'm just guessing, but probably licensing is on the top of the list of
> > problems. I don't know how compatible BSD license is with CDDL.
>
> BSD is find, see ZFS I convinced the FreeBSD people to include ZFS 10
> years
> ago and everybody is happy.
>
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[OpenIndiana-discuss] [HEADS UP] OpenSSL was updated to 1.0.2d

[Alexander Pyhalov]

The following concerns all OI Hipster users.

OpenSSL was updated to 1.0.2d. It is mostly ABI-compatible to 1.0.1, but 
there is one issue. libssh has checks that utils are using the SSL 
version, against which they were compiled. So, you have to recompile 
illumos-gate after this update, if you use self-compiled illumos-gate. 
If you don't, be sure to do full pkg update, so that you have the latest 
osnet bits installed.


Note, that updating openssl without updating illumos-gate-provided 
packages will also cause default gnome login to fail, as ssh-agent is 
used during session startup.

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