Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Public Documentation License (terms)

2016-05-17 Thread Michael Kruger 



On 05/17/2016 09:33 PM, Michael Kruger wrote:


So, if the content found on openindiana.org or wiki.openindiana.org were
PDL licensed, then it would also follow that any document created from
such content would then need to include all the contributor names in
it's PDL notice.

And if a large document such as a new handbook was created from such
content, then the list of contributors would need to include all the
authors from each and every source document.

While both of the websites support change tracking, this concern might
be completely irrelevant because none of the documents found on
openindiana.org appear to contain visible PDL license declarations or
notices.



One last thought on all this.

If the content found on OpenIndiana.org (wiki, www) is not PDL licensed 
(as far as I can tell, this appears to be a true statement), then the 
argument to use the PDL for new documents (for the sake of re-usability 
on OpenIndiana.org) does not seem to be valid.


Having said that, there may be other valid reasons...such as drawing 
content from the OpenSolaris books. In this case, the PDL makes more 
sense, but even then isn't actually a requirement.


Such a larger work could for example use the MIT license (as long as the 
terms of the PDL were met for the content which came from a PDL source). 
But in such a case, the PDL would probably make things less confusing 
and easier to manage.


Michael


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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Public Documentation License (terms)

2016-05-17 Thread Michael Kruger 

Hello All,

Given the topic of licensing has come up several times in recent 
discussions, I thought this might be a good time to talk a little more 
about the PDL license and the terms it imposes on authored works subject 
to this license.


Below I have cobbled together a few things I found on the Internet, and 
have drawn a few conclusions from it all. Please let me know whether I 
am incorrect in any of my conclusions.


First, the firebird SQL website 
(http://www.firebirdsql.org/manual/licenses-pdl.html), gives the 
following summary of the PDL:


-

To give you a quick idea of what the PDL is all about, here is a short 
overview of the rights granted and requirements imposed by the PDL:


Free use: everyone may use and distribute PDL-licensed works, for free 
or for money, as long as the license notice is kept intact.


Right to modify: everyone may modify and redistribute PDL-licensed 
works, as long as any modified versions are PDL-licensed too, the 
original license notice is kept intact, and the modifications are 
documented.


Larger works: everyone may incorporate PDL-licensed documentation in a 
larger work. The larger work as a whole need not be released under the 
PDL, but the license requirements must be fulfilled for the PDL-licensed 
parts.


Please be advised that this overview is for informational purposes only 
and has no legal status whatsoever. Only the license text itself - 
following hereafter - is legally binding.


---

The site then follows it up with the full text of the license:

http://www.firebirdsql.org/manual/licenses-pdl-text.html

---

For an example of a license notice, there is the dtrace guide from 
dtrace.org (http://dtrace.org/guide/license.html)


This page says:

Public Documentation License Notice

The contents of this Documentation are subject to the Public 
Documentation License Version 1.01 (the "License"); you may only use 
this Documentation if you comply with the terms of this License. A copy 
of the License is available at http://illumos.org/license/PDL


The Original Documentation is the Solaris Dynamic Tracing Guide. The 
Initial Writer of the Original Documentation is Sun Microsystems 
Copyright (C) 2003-2009. All Rights Reserved. (Initial Writer 
contact(s): http://sun.com).


Contributor(s): Joyent, Inc. Portions created by Joyent, Inc. are 
Copyright (C) 2012. All Rights Reserved. (Contributor contact(s): 
http://joyent.com).


This documentation was derived from the source at illumos docbooks. For 
full changes as required by the PDL, please see the above URL.


-

The above example is essentially the PDL appendix with the blank spaces 
completed.


This suggests every PDL licensed document modified by the OpenIndiana 
community (for example each book included in the PDL licensed 
redistributable docs) would need to included such a notice.


Interestingly, not all of the redistributable books appear to include a 
visible PDL notice.


For example: 
http://makruger.github.io/website/pages/books/content/getstart/html/docinfo.html


I don't see a PDL notice listed anywhere on that page.

However, the XML sources for this book all include a license declaration.

https://github.com/makruger/website/tree/master/pages/books/content/getstart

So, what's going on here. Well, to  answer that question, you need to 
look at the HTML source:


https://github.com/makruger/website/blob/master/pages/books/content/getstart/html/docinfo.html

There it isa statement saying the document is subject to the PDL.

Other books are a bit more explicit about the license. For example on 
this page 
(http://makruger.github.io/website/pages/books/content/SYSADV1/html/docinfo.html), 
the license declaration is clearly listed.


Presumably only documents modified since their original publication 
would require a completed PDL appendix.


So, what about the 'OpenSolaris' book hosted on the Oracle website?
Are they PDL licensed as well?

The answer to that question is apparently NO.

The 'OpenSolaris' documents hosted on the Oracle website do NOT contain 
any such PDL license declaration either visibly or contained in the HTML 
source. I think it's safe to conclude PDF copies of these documents are 
not PDL licensed either.



Taking the discussion in a slightly different direction, and looking 
once more at the PDL licensed Dtrace guide on Dtrace.org, the following 
question comes to mind:


How exactly does one go about identifying the original portions from the 
Joyent modified portions?


The answer to this question is found in the last sentence of the license 
notice which says "see the above URL". This URL references the

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for 10 TB HDD SATA / SAS

2016-05-17 Thread Guenther Alka 

Disks > 2 TB are fine unless you have a controller that supports disks > 2TB

ex
LSI 1068   max 2TB
LSI 9211, 9207, 9300 no currently reachable limit

Gea

Am 17.05.2016 um 18:16 schrieb Handojo via openindiana-discuss:

Hi...

The last update I knew, is that ZFS runs fine at 2TB HDD but having some 
problems on 3TB ( Correct me if I'm wrong or not up to date ).

Now we have HGST and Seagate providing 10TB Helium Filled HDD.

Anyone tried ?

Regards,

Handojo

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for 10 TB HDD SATA / SAS

2016-05-17 Thread Timothy Coalson 
He may be remembering a 2TB usable disk size limit for the root pool, due
to use of MBR and modified grub 0.97 (I don't know if this has been
fixed).  I would expect it to be possible to use larger disks for the
rpool, but not have access to the extra space, even for use as storage.

Storage pools have no such limitation, we are using some 6TB drives.

Tim


On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Jonathan Adams 
wrote:

> We have a few 8s running on our systems happily, although they're "archive"
> drives, so they're not exactly speedy.
>
> Jon
> On 17 May 2016 17:29, "Gary Gendel"  wrote:
>
> > Handojo,
> >
> > I can't comment on 10TB drives but I've been running ST5000NM0024-1HT,
> 5TB
> > drives for awhile without issue.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > On 05/17/2016 12:16 PM, Handojo via openindiana-discuss wrote:
> >
> >> Hi...
> >>
> >> The last update I knew, is that ZFS runs fine at 2TB HDD but having some
> >> problems on 3TB ( Correct me if I'm wrong or not up to date ).
> >>
> >> Now we have HGST and Seagate providing 10TB Helium Filled HDD.
> >>
> >> Anyone tried ?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Handojo
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for 10 TB HDD SATA / SAS

2016-05-17 Thread Jonathan Adams 
We have a few 8s running on our systems happily, although they're "archive"
drives, so they're not exactly speedy.

Jon
On 17 May 2016 17:29, "Gary Gendel"  wrote:

> Handojo,
>
> I can't comment on 10TB drives but I've been running ST5000NM0024-1HT, 5TB
> drives for awhile without issue.
>
> Gary
>
> On 05/17/2016 12:16 PM, Handojo via openindiana-discuss wrote:
>
>> Hi...
>>
>> The last update I knew, is that ZFS runs fine at 2TB HDD but having some
>> problems on 3TB ( Correct me if I'm wrong or not up to date ).
>>
>> Now we have HGST and Seagate providing 10TB Helium Filled HDD.
>>
>> Anyone tried ?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Handojo
>>
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for 10 TB HDD SATA / SAS

2016-05-17 Thread Gary Gendel 

Handojo,

I can't comment on 10TB drives but I've been running ST5000NM0024-1HT, 
5TB drives for awhile without issue.


Gary

On 05/17/2016 12:16 PM, Handojo via openindiana-discuss wrote:

Hi...

The last update I knew, is that ZFS runs fine at 2TB HDD but having some 
problems on 3TB ( Correct me if I'm wrong or not up to date ).

Now we have HGST and Seagate providing 10TB Helium Filled HDD.

Anyone tried ?

Regards,

Handojo

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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for 10 TB HDD SATA / SAS

2016-05-17 Thread Handojo via openindiana-discuss 
Hi...

The last update I knew, is that ZFS runs fine at 2TB HDD but having some 
problems on 3TB ( Correct me if I'm wrong or not up to date ).

Now we have HGST and Seagate providing 10TB Helium Filled HDD.

Anyone tried ?

Regards,

Handojo

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