Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion

[Private openbabel]

I have suspected sometime that a rolling release would confuse potential 
users. Perhaps we should consider a named beta release soon under the 
appropriate celestrial name?


Robert


On 27/09/2016 20:05, Hans J Albertsson wrote:

Ok, so I install the iso, check what is missing and get the rest as you
show.

This machine is just a tryout for me. Wanna see if I can get SunRays, with
Firefox, thunderbird and libreoffice going and then a serviio dlna server
using ffmpeg for transcoding.
Most other server bits here are on FreeNAS boxes.

I'm not seriously expecting hipster to be super stable, but I can't imagine
you folks putting all this effort in unless your experience occasionally
includes reasonable usefulness.

Hans J. Albertsson
 From my Nexus 5

Den 27 sep. 2016 7:40 em skrev "cpforum" :




Message du 27/09/16 09:02
De : "Hans J. Albertsson"
A : openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org
Copie à :
Objet : [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion

I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly includes
gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice things.

No warnings on the Release Notes page.

Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the
intro/invite text talks about serious problems with having both MATE and
Gnome

And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand
the ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff.


So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries:

I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well worth
trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine, mostly"?

On the desktop hipster is a "no crash stable beta". But you have to add
some package to make it


Here is a script for that.

=
#!/bin/ksh

#
# Compléments Gnome
#

pkg install \
system/install/locale \
image/gnome-backgrounds \
gnome/theme/background/os-backgrounds-extra \
gnome/media/sound-recorder \
desktop/keepassx \
image/viewer/gthumb \
image/editor/inkscape \
image/webcam/cheese \
web/editor/bluefish \
editor/diagram/dia \
image/scanner/xsane \
image/editor/gimp

#
# Multimédia
#

pkg set-publisher \
-g http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster-emcubered hipster-encumbered

pkg refresh --full
pkg install \
media/vlc \
gstreamer/plugin/bad \
gstreamer/plugin/ffmpeg \
gstreamer/plugin/ugly \
library/video/libdvdcss

#
# Bureautique
#

pkg set-publisher -g http://sfe.opencsw.org/localhostoih localhostoih
pkg install \
pkg://localhostoih/library/g++/icu \
pkg://localhostoih/system/library/g++/boost \
desktop/application/libreoffice4-desktop-int \
desktop/application/libreoffice4

===







Are the live graphical ISOs reasonably complete, including most standard
toppings for the Hipster ice cream? Or should I expect to add further
packages after the ISO is installed, in order to have a nice basic
desktop or media server experience??

Is the Gnome vs Mate issue from the 2016-08-16 test ISO a problem in the
2016.04 ISO as well???

In the future, how do I upgrade from my then current Hipster ISO distro
to the next Hipster ISO distro?
Will the ISOs contain an upgrade option?? Or is there some consolidation
package magic to use the IPS server for that??

I intend to run Hipster in a new machine, no old data to backup.




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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Nobody for whom OI/Hipster Mate on i915/KMS is working fine wants to report?

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I was testing the DVD mates again and decided to install it but could 
not get the partition manager to work. this is in addition to add to 
panel omission of the volume appelet.


look forward to using this in the future.

Robert



On 06/09/2016 16:23, Мартин Бохниг via openindiana-discuss wrote:

Ok, hi Apostolos,

as said already: A pity that (almost) nobody of all those others for whom it apparently 
works fine took the time to report, while there are always enough individuals interested 
in discussing "code of conduct" and worse pogroms..
Now that the only feedback anybody hears on-list about the i915 backport is "oh, doesn't 
work" it appears as if it is "instable crap", to quote certain well-known geniuses.

Nevertheless thanks for reporting and sorry that you are experiencing problems.

Now, let's nail this issue: Yes, the same pciid 42 was already attched for the 
old ums i915:

https://searchcode.com/codesearch/view/6730577/
alias = pci8086,42  \

And yes, it should also still work with Oracle's newer driver designed for 
Solaris 12 that I backported to OpenSolaris.
Your output below is a good beginning at best, but what's missing:
*Did you still test in 32bit mode, without 32bit i915/drm bins on the 
Hipster/Mate DVD?*

If yes, then it wonders little that you ended with what you call a "black 
screen", because as there is no 32bit compiled version of i915/drm included on the 
DVD, how would it work?

Yesterday I stated already that it *is* possible to build old IA32 bins of 
i915/drm, and they are for download (together with the 64bit bins)  here, as 
said:
http://opensxce.org/intelkms_working_testbins/Intel_DRMxKMS_S12_to_Illumos_backport__RELEASE/01__GLOBAL/01__BINS/TAR/

They would already be part of the Illumos-gate and would by default get built 
for IA32 _and_ x64, if Illumos was anything related to what they claim to be 
(free bird and stuff).
But history took different routes on scary alarming paths.
So, that's why users of outdated hardware still running 32bit kernels have to 
perform the installation manually after the OS is installed in text mode 
following the steps as outlined in   
http://opensxce.org/intelkms_working_testbins/Intel_DRMxKMS_S12_to_Illumos_backport__RELEASE/01__GLOBAL/01__BINS/TAR/INSTALL.txt

So to test them you need at least a USB stick or a growisofs or a 
hdd-installation (because otherwise you have a tough time copying any 32bit 
variant of i915/drm into the boot_archive on wrirte-protected media).

You didn't send /var/log/Xorg.0.log*,
You didn't send syslog
You didn't send any more information, such as where does the "the screen is 
black" event happen.
You did not say if you are now in 64bit mode off DVD, 32bit mode off DVD and if 
64bit mode, why you first said you wanted to run it in 32bit mode.


 From your pciid I could now derive that this is:

{0x8086, 0x42, CHIP_I9XX|CHIP_I965,  "Intel IGDNG_D" }, \

so i965,and in  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel-900-Serie


that it appears to be:
P965 [17]
Broadwater 90 nm Q2 2006 ICH8 / ICH8R / ICH8-DH 533 / 800 / 1066 MHz 19 W 8 GB 
RAM DDR2-533/667/800
1.1 keine
Q965 [18]
Broadwater 90 nm Q2 2006 ICH8 / ICH8R / ICH8-DH 533 / 800 / 1066 MHz 19 W 8 GB 
RAM DDR2-533/667/800
1.1 GMA 3000





But as you didn't tell me more about your Netbook (not even its name, only its 
vendor), I can only *guess* if it is 64bit capable: PROBABLY NOT.


So then again tell me how you can expect it to function with the current 
Hipster/Mate KMS LiveDVD, after I explained long and well *that* and *why* it 
does *not* contain IA32 bins for i915/drm?


If you want to test my backport on your vintage hardware, then you need to 
perform the installation in text mode or vesa mode and then take the 32bit bins 
after installation from the link I provided.
Again:  
http://opensxce.org/intelkms_working_testbins/Intel_DRMxKMS_S12_to_Illumos_backport__RELEASE/01__GLOBAL/01__BINS/TAR/




When I try the live DVD on this machine I see a black screen.

Did you read what I wrote yesterday already?
NO 32bit bins of i915/drm on this current iso/DVD.



%martin bochnig



Вторник,  6 сентября 2016, 14:23 UTC от Apostolos Syropoulos 
:

Hello,

As I reported yesterday I have tested the live DVD on a system that has an 
Intel processor.
The system is running a pre-KMS version of Xorg where the i915 is working. Here 
are the details:

node name:  display
Vendor: Intel Corporation
Device: Core Processor Integrated Graphics 
Controller
Sub-Vendor: ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
binding name:   pci8086,42
devfs path: /pci@0,0/display@2
bus addr:   2
pci path:   0,2,0
compatible name:
(pci8086,42.1043.8383.18)(pci8086,42.1043.8383)(pci1043,8383)(pci8086,42.18)(pci8086,42)(pciclass,03)(pciclass,0300)
driver name:i915

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] MATE feedback

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I was wondering if you could use cairo dock or similar with mate ?


Robert Jones


On 11/08/2016 17:48, Alexander Pyhalov wrote:

On 08/11/16 07:44 PM, Andreas Wacknitz wrote:

Am 11.08.16 um 17:37 schrieb Aurélien Larcher:

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Alexander Pyhalov  wrote:

[ stuff deleted ]



And I wanted to finish with lightdm before announcing MATE :)

Sorry about that ;) at least I did some preview testing ;)


BTW, MATE package set looks like

desktop/archive-manager/engrampa
desktop/pdf-viewer/atril
desktop/mate/caja
desktop/mate/caja/caja-extensions
desktop/mate/marco
desktop/mate/mate-applets
desktop/mate/mate-dictionary
desktop/mate/mate-disk-usage-analyzer
desktop/mate/mate-screenshot
desktop/mate/mate-search-tool
desktop/mate/mate-system-log
desktop/mate/mate-backgrounds
desktop/mate/mate-calc
desktop/mate/control-center
desktop/mate/mate-icon-theme-faenza
desktop/mate/mate-icon-theme
desktop/mate/mate-media
desktop/mate/mate-notification-daemon
desktop/mate/mate-panel
desktop/mate/mate-session-manager
desktop/mate/mate-settings-daemon
terminal/mate-terminal
desktop/mate/mate-themes
desktop/mate/mate-user-guide
desktop/system-monitor/mate-system-monitor
desktop/xdg/menu-editor/mozo
editor/pluma
image/viewer/eom
library/desktop/mate/mate-desktop

I installed everything listed on the Wiki page:

https://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/MATE+1.14+Desktop

Should we have a 'mate' meta-package?


yes, please :-)


I have mate-install meta-package (like gui_install), which in theory 
can be used to create MATE iso image. But it's in theory. On practice 
it's not so good, as it delivers broken gdm after installation. So, I 
didn't publish it. I hope I'll do it after finishing with lightdm.





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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [off-topic] Samsung acquires Joyant

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It maybe to early to tell but does this mean SmartOS will continue as an 
opensource distro ?



On 11/07/2016 04:20, Nikola M wrote:

On 07/10/16 08:53 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote:

I'm also subscribed to the Joyant SmartOS list, although I don't keep
up with it as well as I do the OpenIndiana one.

Catching up on post, I find that Samsung is acquiring Joyant, makers
of the SmartOS distro, among many other neat things.

https://www.joyent.com/blog/samsung-acquires-joyent

This apparently happened, or minimally, kicked off mid-June 2016.

Fingers crossed that Joyant, their products, and their employees come
out of this unscathed.

When I heard of it and read it on Joyent site, I was somehow happy,
because Samsung is producing it's of silicon and having factories and
large user base and the clear public image.
As I remember Samsung makes it's phones with an ability to record
phonecalls, because they implement function in silicon they produce,
where many(most) other vendors doesn't implement it in fear of coming
under local regulations and hardware is reused in many other models. So
it's important to make your own silicon. That can also open the question
of ARM port, where Samsung produces it.

They got exceptionally fine server and cloud crew for them and not to
forget big community for open cloud (SDC), distro and illumos in
general, including Openindiana (extending partially to Solaris).
If they keep the business and have it growing and open and reuse it,
there's clear road ahead for Samsung, too.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ASUS Z170-WS

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Hardware compatibility questions -It maybe worth reevaluationing the 
relationship between HCL database and the Device Driver Utility 
submission mechanisum. A self serve HCL is a very useful tool OiOS.


Robert

On 20/05/2016 00:36, Joe Reid wrote:

On 5/19/2016 6:30 PM, Tim Mooney wrote:
I'll be certain to update the HCL on the OpenIndiana wiki when I have 
the
board and can test it, but as I said, that will be several weeks yet. 


Thanks for the info.  I'm not in a hurry, per se...it's just that the 
mobo's on-sale, 70% off...




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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI Hipster 2016.04 snapshot

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I have tried this snap shot and have two questions.
Why have we now got yet another mail client on the snapshot?
Do you have plans to include the IPS packages or have I missed something ?

Robert

On 23/04/2016 18:50, Lou Picciano wrote:

Nice work, guys!

Lou Picciano
- Original Message - From: "Aurélien Larcher" 
 To: "Discussion list for OpenIndiana" 
 Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 
12:09:48 PM Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI Hipster 2016.04 
snapshot 
OI Hipster 2016.04 snapshot is ready.


Images:

http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/OI-hipster-gui-20160421.iso  
http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/OI-hipster-gui-20160421.usb  

http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/OI-hipster-text-20160421.iso  
http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/OI-hipster-text-20160421.usb  


SHA 256 checksums are available at ${link}.sha256sum

Release notes:http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/2016.04+Release+notes  


Congratulations !

News has been relayed on:

- Distrowatch [http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=09371] and
- Phoronix [
http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OpenIndiana-2016.04-Released]

Also Distrowatch diligently updated the list of packages on:

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=openindiana  


but some versions are not set correctly.

Cheers

Aurelien
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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Christmas message 2015

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A big thank you for all the contributors,developers, and sponsors for 
you hard work in 2015.We look forward to you help in 2016.


Robert Jones
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Posting inline awareness

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I think that original Gnome developers saw awareness in terms of font 
sizes, colours and simplified processess. I cant see any problem in 
going forward as long as you are aware that over complex processes may 
be be excluding users or developers with failing eyesight. I am 
interested in expanding the community to recently retired developers and 
users who would interested in participating in the future. In an aging 
population this is a untapped contributor group it is not by chance 
major vendors are traveling in this direction.


On 13/12/2015 10:23, Rob Jones wrote:


I cannot think of what this means for a blind or visually impaired 
user of the list..at best intelligable prusumably it means exclusion 
from this list?


On 13 Dec 2015 7:56 am, "Nikola M" > wrote:


On 12/13/15 03:46 AM, Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss
wrote:

I would like to suggest that there just might be a bug in the
archive software if  posts did not show up properly in the
thread hierarchy.  It might also be some pathology among MTAs
which is confusing the archive software.

I can confirm that it is not related to OI mailing list but to the
mail client and/or mail provider you are using, too.
Multiple people confirmed they see the issue and it is displaying
it the same way in my client (Thunderbird, Gmail ofet IMAP with
filters) as it it on Mailing list archive.

It is common problem and is fixed with list subscriber chage of
it's behaviur when posting, changing ways of usig your mail
client, changing mail client or changing mail provider. Until it
is solved for you you can please restrain from posting, not to
top-post.

If you want you can pop in sometimes on #openindiana IRC channel
on Freenode so we can help you setting your mail clent.
irc://irc.freenode.net/openindiana
 . I can show you that with
uncpacking and concatenating mailing list archives, and using mail
filter in Thunderbird, you can have all mailing list posts in one
place , offline or online, too.



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Posting inline

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Dear All,

I am concerned that accessibility for the blind and visually impaired 
should be maintained at all times.


Robert Jones




On 13/12/2015 07:42, Nikola M wrote:

On 12/13/15 05:44 AM, Alan Coopersmith wrote:

On 12/12/15 07:03 PM, Ian Collins wrote:
Both of these appear to be due to incorrectly configured mail 
clients. The
second may be a matter of (bad!) taste.  The first, being uncommon, 
is more than

likely a problem with the client.


And as annoying as both may be, is it worse than making the list so 
hostile that
the very small community you have shrinks even further because no one 
wants to
participate at the risk of being flamed for their mail client? Surely 
there's

more important things to spend time on than typing in all those replies.


Sorry people need to learn to use their mail clients.
If community is to develop and grow in positive way and possibly have 
an web representation of mailing list in the future, individuals that 
are doig it wrong on the list and they are informed on it, should be 
informed to do it right so that everyone is happy and list is not 
trashed.


It absolutely has nothing to do with "hostility" , on the oposite, it 
is being friendly and positive and understanding recognizing the issue 
and help people not to repeat same mistakes.
If it would be hostile, people would be temporarely banned from 
posting after being informed to correct posting mistake and not doing 
something about it. If one recognize the problem and keeps doing th 
same thing, it is then aganst community goals of having civile 
environment and may and may not be intentional.


Also well-behaved and civile community is much more important then 
someone's personal opinion that laziness to fix it's own problem has 
anything to do with OI. Also it is of most importance to inform 
Newcomers that being polite and helpful is valued and ignoring 
technical problems (especially when it has nothing to do with OI 
mailinfg lists) is not.
So using one's own mail client is not connected with Openindiana 
whatsoever.



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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI roadmap (for production)

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On 05/12/2015 21:16, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015, Predrag Zečević - Unix Systems Administrator wrote:


Also, number of people involved in OS maintenance made me suggest 
SmartOS or OmniIT...


OmniOS succeeds due to its quite limited scope rather than a large 
number of maintainers.  It leaves the responsibility for providing 
common server applications (e.g. Apache) to others.  SFE is in a 
fledgling state for OmniOS, but might prove to be a significant future 
source of applications (in addition to Joyent-supported pkgsrc and 
third parties who have provided public access to their IPS packages).


SmartOS does not likely have a large number of maintainers either, but 
Joyent has bet its future on it.  SmartOS also succeeds by limiting 
its scope.


OpenIndiana has a much larger scope given how many packages it offers 
by default.


Bob


Dear Bob,

I would like to see a foundation registered in the UK in early 2016 to 
receive donations and sponsorship similar to Libre Office.This will help 
with some of the development objectives outlined.


Regards


Robert Jones

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Updated website

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This is a welcome contribution however the failure to progress further 
with new branding and logo slows the distros progression. I do hope we 
can see further steps forward for OiOS in 2016.


Robert Jones
On 18/11/2015 20:39, Dmitry Kozhinov wrote:

Congratulations on the redesigned website!

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Support for USB3?

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On 28/10/2015 21:45, Rich Teer wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:


USB-3 is not supported yet.  I have not heard of anyone working on it.

Ah, that is what I feared, but thanks for confirming it.


Consider ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD if you need USB-3 and ZFS within the next
year.

Yep; I've already started pondering those options...
Theoretically there are adapters available for esata and usb 3 as a 
short term fix but remain untested for example 
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/NewerTech/ADESATA6USB3/
If a driver was available it would be best aimed at 3.1 or 
http://www.mhlconsortium.org/technology.aspx. You may ponder Qualifying 
corporate development funding for drivers in the UK under  
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/cirdmanual/cird81960.htm


Robert Jones


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] : open ssl security update

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Open SSL have released a security fix today. Is this something that is 
relevant to OiOS ? https://www.openssl.org/


Robert

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