Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Future of OI (was Bash Bug issue)
On 10/10/2014 14:22, ken mays via openindiana-discuss wrote: I understand that there is a new SSL Beta version available and some patches for the latest Bash version.Perhaps someone could test these and push them downstream. Robert On 10/10/2014 14:22, ken mays via openindiana-discuss wrote: You missed Tribblix and DilOS and a few others. Same as in cars, why are there so many of them that do similar things ??? Choices. Tribblix, XStreamOS-Desktop, and OI are the current leading 'desktop-oriented' distros. Those distros differ in package management and default desktops (amongest other things). OpenSXCE was one of the leading desktop distros for the OpenSolaris community that supported both x86/x86-64 and legacy SPARC platforms. As in cars, people working on similar things can contribute to each other as well as the big brother distro (aka Solaris). Some distro projects are self funded or corporate sponsored (Nexenta, OmniOS, SmartOS, etc). OI was more about the foundation of testing the latest Illumos kernel snapshots and porting the core upstream consolidations - while supporting a desktop UI experience. People wanted to support the 'core OS' consolidations and some of the legacy OpenSolaris core projects. People then branch out and spread their wings to build/consult/enhance/embrace... hence, like a phoenix ~K On Friday, October 10, 2014 5:59 AM, The Outsider wrote: True! That's why i pay for hard&software support on solaris 11.2. (Prices are reasonable when you have Sun hardware) But 11.2 != openindiana. On 10 oktober 2014 02:08:00 Dave Pooser wrote: On 10/9/14 5:13 PM, "The Outsider" wrote: Hmm i am sorry. I seem to have missed that. Last time i installed and tested it i needed to get a registrationkey and wasn't allowed to use nexenta for business without paying a quite high amount of euros. But that was 3 years ago. Open source != free-as-in-beer -- Dave Pooser Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Future of OI (was Bash Bug issue)
You missed Tribblix and DilOS and a few others. Same as in cars, why are there so many of them that do similar things ??? Choices. Tribblix, XStreamOS-Desktop, and OI are the current leading 'desktop-oriented' distros. Those distros differ in package management and default desktops (amongest other things). OpenSXCE was one of the leading desktop distros for the OpenSolaris community that supported both x86/x86-64 and legacy SPARC platforms. As in cars, people working on similar things can contribute to each other as well as the big brother distro (aka Solaris). Some distro projects are self funded or corporate sponsored (Nexenta, OmniOS, SmartOS, etc). OI was more about the foundation of testing the latest Illumos kernel snapshots and porting the core upstream consolidations - while supporting a desktop UI experience. People wanted to support the 'core OS' consolidations and some of the legacy OpenSolaris core projects. People then branch out and spread their wings to build/consult/enhance/embrace... hence, like a phoenix ~K On Friday, October 10, 2014 5:59 AM, The Outsider wrote: True! That's why i pay for hard&software support on solaris 11.2. (Prices are reasonable when you have Sun hardware) But 11.2 != openindiana. On 10 oktober 2014 02:08:00 Dave Pooser wrote: > On 10/9/14 5:13 PM, "The Outsider" wrote: > > >Hmm i am sorry. I seem to have missed that. > >Last time i installed and tested it i needed to get a registrationkey and > >wasn't allowed to use nexenta for business without paying a quite high > >amount of euros. > > > >But that was 3 years ago. > > Open source != free-as-in-beer > -- > Dave Pooser > Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com > > > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Future of OI (was Bash Bug issue)
True! That's why i pay for hard&software support on solaris 11.2. (Prices are reasonable when you have Sun hardware) But 11.2 != openindiana. On 10 oktober 2014 02:08:00 Dave Pooser wrote: On 10/9/14 5:13 PM, "The Outsider" wrote: >Hmm i am sorry. I seem to have missed that. >Last time i installed and tested it i needed to get a registrationkey and >wasn't allowed to use nexenta for business without paying a quite high >amount of euros. > >But that was 3 years ago. Open source != free-as-in-beer -- Dave Pooser Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Future of OI (was Bash Bug issue)
On 10/9/14 5:13 PM, "The Outsider" wrote: >Hmm i am sorry. I seem to have missed that. >Last time i installed and tested it i needed to get a registrationkey and >wasn't allowed to use nexenta for business without paying a quite high >amount of euros. > >But that was 3 years ago. Open source != free-as-in-beer -- Dave Pooser Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Future of OI (was Bash Bug issue)
Hmm i am sorry. I seem to have missed that. Last time i installed and tested it i needed to get a registrationkey and wasn't allowed to use nexenta for business without paying a quite high amount of euros. But that was 3 years ago. On 9 oktober 2014 23:18:03 Bayard Bell wrote: On 9 October 2014 20:41, openindi...@out-side.nl wrote: > From my limited tunnelview: > > Nexenta: closed source, no real root, no zones. IF you want storage with > support this is the best option. > Please define closed source while accounting for this fundamental fact: https://github.com/nexenta/illumos-nexenta ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Future of OI (was Bash Bug issue)
Bayard Bell писал 10.10.2014 01:10: On 9 October 2014 20:41, openindi...@out-side.nl wrote: From my limited tunnelview: Nexenta: closed source, no real root, no zones. IF you want storage with support this is the best option. Please define closed source while accounting for this fundamental fact: https://github.com/nexenta/illumos-nexenta Hi. I'd be more interested in https://github.com/Nexenta/nza-userland/. I see at least smartmontools, dtrace toolkit patches, dpkg and dpkg zone brand which I'd like to borrow. Why I haven't seen this earlier? :) BTW, I see that you have clang component. How do you use clang? I mean, is it just proof of concept component or you actually can do something useful with it? --- System Administrator of Southern Federal University Computer Center ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Future of OI (was Bash Bug issue)
On 9 October 2014 20:41, openindi...@out-side.nl wrote: > From my limited tunnelview: > > Nexenta: closed source, no real root, no zones. IF you want storage with > support this is the best option. > Please define closed source while accounting for this fundamental fact: https://github.com/nexenta/illumos-nexenta ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Future of OI (was Bash Bug issue)
>From my limited tunnelview:
Nexenta: closed source, no real root, no zones. IF you want storage with
support this is the best option.
OmniOS: nice piece of work, but when your fingers are used to the commands of,
for example, creating zones it is a disaster
SmartOS: same like OmniOS.
OI: whatever you need help for (almost) everything can be found on the internet
when you search for { subject} + solaris 10. Same for the software. Stick as
good as possible to the illumos sources.
Every successor of Solaris 10 takes a share of the old userbase, and this
userbase is also becoming smaller since a lot switch to Linux like systems of
even Windows.
Every successor tries to simplify the solaris things that were difficult to
learn. Like creating zones.
At the end the successors look a little bit the same, but have differences that
prevent mixing.
At some point successors drift away from the illumos kernel, disconnecting
themselves from the source.
The question is what happens if at some point a real solaris /illumos security
bug will be found. Which kernel will give you the best options for a cure? Will
the solution be available on the successor?
And what if the successor themselves have created a security hole inside
without knowing? There are very little testers for these relatively small
successors.
Br,
Roelof
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Van: Dave Pooser [mailto:dave...@pooserville.com]
Verzonden: donderdag 9 oktober 2014 17:13
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At the risk of sounding like the corporate hack I doubtless am... what's the OI
"elevator pitch" -- the 10-second explanation of why OI exists, and why I
should use it vs another Illumos variant?
NexentaStor - "ZFS storage appliances"
OmniOS - "Enterprise server, open and free, with commercial support"
SmartOS - "Cloud OS using zones, DTrace and ZFS"
OI - ???
I have a couple of OI servers because a couple of years ago that looked like
the natural path forward from OpenSolaris. Now, it's hard to see why I should
deploy a new server with OI vs OmniOS.
--
Dave Pooser
Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com
"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
one pretty and well-preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line
broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!"
-- Bill McKenna
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[OpenIndiana-discuss] Future of OI (was Bash Bug issue)
At the risk of sounding like the corporate hack I doubtless am... what's the OI "elevator pitch" -- the 10-second explanation of why OI exists, and why I should use it vs another Illumos variant? NexentaStor - "ZFS storage appliances" OmniOS - "Enterprise server, open and free, with commercial support" SmartOS - "Cloud OS using zones, DTrace and ZFS" OI - ??? I have a couple of OI servers because a couple of years ago that looked like the natural path forward from OpenSolaris. Now, it's hard to see why I should deploy a new server with OI vs OmniOS. -- Dave Pooser Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well-preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
