Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
desktop/keepassx failed to install, some dependency failed, all the others installed nicely. Thanks for the useful list. I'll try resolving the keepassx issue, and ask again if I can't. Hans J. Albertsson From my Nexus 5 Den 27 sep. 2016 19:40 skrev "cpforum" : > > > > Message du 27/09/16 09:02 > > De : "Hans J. Albertsson" > > A : openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > > Copie à : > > Objet : [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion > > > > I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly includes > > gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice things. > > > > No warnings on the Release Notes page. > > > > Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the > > intro/invite text talks about serious problems with having both MATE and > > Gnome > > > > And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand > > the ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff. > > > > > > So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries: > > > > I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well worth > > trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine, mostly"? > > On the desktop hipster is a "no crash stable beta". But you have to add > some package to make it > > > Here is a script for that. > > = > #!/bin/ksh > > # > # Compléments Gnome > # > > pkg install \ > system/install/locale \ > image/gnome-backgrounds \ > gnome/theme/background/os-backgrounds-extra \ > gnome/media/sound-recorder \ > desktop/keepassx \ > image/viewer/gthumb \ > image/editor/inkscape \ > image/webcam/cheese \ > web/editor/bluefish \ > editor/diagram/dia \ > image/scanner/xsane \ > image/editor/gimp > > # > # Multimédia > # > > pkg set-publisher \ > -g http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster-emcubered hipster-encumbered > > pkg refresh --full > pkg install \ > media/vlc \ > gstreamer/plugin/bad \ > gstreamer/plugin/ffmpeg \ > gstreamer/plugin/ugly \ > library/video/libdvdcss > > # > # Bureautique > # > > pkg set-publisher -g http://sfe.opencsw.org/localhostoih localhostoih > pkg install \ > pkg://localhostoih/library/g++/icu \ > pkg://localhostoih/system/library/g++/boost \ > desktop/application/libreoffice4-desktop-int \ > desktop/application/libreoffice4 > > === > > > > > > > > > > Are the live graphical ISOs reasonably complete, including most standard > > toppings for the Hipster ice cream? Or should I expect to add further > > packages after the ISO is installed, in order to have a nice basic > > desktop or media server experience?? > > > > Is the Gnome vs Mate issue from the 2016-08-16 test ISO a problem in the > > 2016.04 ISO as well??? > > > > In the future, how do I upgrade from my then current Hipster ISO distro > > to the next Hipster ISO distro? > > Will the ISOs contain an upgrade option?? Or is there some consolidation > > package magic to use the IPS server for that?? > > > > I intend to run Hipster in a new machine, no old data to backup. > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > openindiana-discuss mailing list > > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > > https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > > > ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
I could try, but I'm currently heavily engaged in live sound recording, which is heavy work at the best of times. Once I get a hipster iso installed I could possibly write about whatever I learned from that, since that would be win-win. And any other similar experience. Beyond that kind of thing, whatever I were to do would always run the risk of being delayed, basically forever. torsdag 29 september 2016 skrev Adam Števko : > Hi, > > are you interested in contributing in any way (testing, writing docs, code > review, q&a..)? > > Cheers, > Adam > > > On 29 Sep 2016, at 10:56, Hans J Albertsson > wrote: > > > > Sunrays is the only inescapable use case, but I definitely prefer oi to > any > > of my other available choices for anything light enough to be handled in > > oi. > > > > Hans J. Albertsson > > From my Nexus 5 > > > > Den 29 sep. 2016 09:17 skrev "Adam Števko" >: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I wouldn't consider OpenIndiana beta or alpha. There are people > outvthere > >> using it for serious stuff. Back in the days, it had a lot of users on > >> servers, esp. storages and servers. As things went, some people > migrated to > >> OmniOS/SmartOS or even Linux with ZoL or FreeBSD. > >> > >> illumos has very nice technologies and the integration between them is > >> great experience, but not many people sre interested in. People are > happy > >> with "good enough" as Linux (that´s the reality). Also, certain areas of > >> the system hasn't seen innovations since 2010. > >> > >> Rolling release model is great for developers / experienced users who > are > >> not afraid of dealing with problems (the model works basically the same > ad > >> on Archlinux). > >> > >> Are sunrays your only usecase for OI? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Adam > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 08:39, Hans J Albertsson < > hans.j.alberts...@gmail.com > > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Please NO! > >>> Don't think I'm confused! I just want to know a couple more details > about > >>> how to use the isos! > >>> > >>> The hipster rolling release seems a really great idea, and OpenIndiana > >> was > >>> always a beta or even alpha! > >>> > >>> Hans J. Albertsson > >>> From my Nexus 5 > >>> > >>> Den 28 sep. 2016 18:00 skrev "Private openbabel" >: > >>> > >>>> I have suspected sometime that a rolling release would confuse > potential > >>>> users. Perhaps we should consider a named beta release soon under the > >>>> appropriate celestrial name? > >>>> > >>>> Robert > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 27/09/2016 20:05, Hans J Albertsson wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Ok, so I install the iso, check what is missing and get the rest as > you > >>>>> show. > >>>>> > >>>>> This machine is just a tryout for me. Wanna see if I can get SunRays, > >> with > >>>>> Firefox, thunderbird and libreoffice going and then a serviio dlna > >> server > >>>>> using ffmpeg for transcoding. > >>>>> Most other server bits here are on FreeNAS boxes. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm not seriously expecting hipster to be super stable, but I can't > >>>>> imagine > >>>>> you folks putting all this effort in unless your experience > >> occasionally > >>>>> includes reasonable usefulness. > >>>>> > >>>>> Hans J. Albertsson > >>>>> From my Nexus 5 > >>>>> > >>>>> Den 27 sep. 2016 7:40 em skrev "cpforum" >: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Message du 27/09/16 09:02 > >>>>>>> De : "Hans J. Albertsson" > >>>>>>> A : openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > >>>>>>> Copie à : > >>>>>>> Objet : [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly > >> includes > >>>>>>> gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffm
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
Hi, are you interested in contributing in any way (testing, writing docs, code review, q&a..)? Cheers, Adam > On 29 Sep 2016, at 10:56, Hans J Albertsson > wrote: > > Sunrays is the only inescapable use case, but I definitely prefer oi to any > of my other available choices for anything light enough to be handled in > oi. > > Hans J. Albertsson > From my Nexus 5 > > Den 29 sep. 2016 09:17 skrev "Adam Števko" : > >> Hi, >> >> I wouldn't consider OpenIndiana beta or alpha. There are people outvthere >> using it for serious stuff. Back in the days, it had a lot of users on >> servers, esp. storages and servers. As things went, some people migrated to >> OmniOS/SmartOS or even Linux with ZoL or FreeBSD. >> >> illumos has very nice technologies and the integration between them is >> great experience, but not many people sre interested in. People are happy >> with "good enough" as Linux (that´s the reality). Also, certain areas of >> the system hasn't seen innovations since 2010. >> >> Rolling release model is great for developers / experienced users who are >> not afraid of dealing with problems (the model works basically the same ad >> on Archlinux). >> >> Are sunrays your only usecase for OI? >> >> Cheers, >> Adam >> >> >> >>> On 29 Sep 2016, at 08:39, Hans J Albertsson >> wrote: >>> >>> Please NO! >>> Don't think I'm confused! I just want to know a couple more details about >>> how to use the isos! >>> >>> The hipster rolling release seems a really great idea, and OpenIndiana >> was >>> always a beta or even alpha! >>> >>> Hans J. Albertsson >>> From my Nexus 5 >>> >>> Den 28 sep. 2016 18:00 skrev "Private openbabel" : >>> >>>> I have suspected sometime that a rolling release would confuse potential >>>> users. Perhaps we should consider a named beta release soon under the >>>> appropriate celestrial name? >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 27/09/2016 20:05, Hans J Albertsson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ok, so I install the iso, check what is missing and get the rest as you >>>>> show. >>>>> >>>>> This machine is just a tryout for me. Wanna see if I can get SunRays, >> with >>>>> Firefox, thunderbird and libreoffice going and then a serviio dlna >> server >>>>> using ffmpeg for transcoding. >>>>> Most other server bits here are on FreeNAS boxes. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not seriously expecting hipster to be super stable, but I can't >>>>> imagine >>>>> you folks putting all this effort in unless your experience >> occasionally >>>>> includes reasonable usefulness. >>>>> >>>>> Hans J. Albertsson >>>>> From my Nexus 5 >>>>> >>>>> Den 27 sep. 2016 7:40 em skrev "cpforum" : >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Message du 27/09/16 09:02 >>>>>>> De : "Hans J. Albertsson" >>>>>>> A : openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org >>>>>>> Copie à : >>>>>>> Objet : [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly >> includes >>>>>>> gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice >>>>>>> things. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No warnings on the Release Notes page. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the >>>>>>> intro/invite text talks about serious problems with having both MATE >> and >>>>>>> Gnome >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand >>>>>>> the ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well >> worth >>>>>>> trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
Sunrays is the only inescapable use case, but I definitely prefer oi to any of my other available choices for anything light enough to be handled in oi. Hans J. Albertsson From my Nexus 5 Den 29 sep. 2016 09:17 skrev "Adam Števko" : > Hi, > > I wouldn't consider OpenIndiana beta or alpha. There are people outvthere > using it for serious stuff. Back in the days, it had a lot of users on > servers, esp. storages and servers. As things went, some people migrated to > OmniOS/SmartOS or even Linux with ZoL or FreeBSD. > > illumos has very nice technologies and the integration between them is > great experience, but not many people sre interested in. People are happy > with "good enough" as Linux (that´s the reality). Also, certain areas of > the system hasn't seen innovations since 2010. > > Rolling release model is great for developers / experienced users who are > not afraid of dealing with problems (the model works basically the same ad > on Archlinux). > > Are sunrays your only usecase for OI? > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > On 29 Sep 2016, at 08:39, Hans J Albertsson > wrote: > > > > Please NO! > > Don't think I'm confused! I just want to know a couple more details about > > how to use the isos! > > > > The hipster rolling release seems a really great idea, and OpenIndiana > was > > always a beta or even alpha! > > > > Hans J. Albertsson > > From my Nexus 5 > > > > Den 28 sep. 2016 18:00 skrev "Private openbabel" : > > > >> I have suspected sometime that a rolling release would confuse potential > >> users. Perhaps we should consider a named beta release soon under the > >> appropriate celestrial name? > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> > >>> On 27/09/2016 20:05, Hans J Albertsson wrote: > >>> > >>> Ok, so I install the iso, check what is missing and get the rest as you > >>> show. > >>> > >>> This machine is just a tryout for me. Wanna see if I can get SunRays, > with > >>> Firefox, thunderbird and libreoffice going and then a serviio dlna > server > >>> using ffmpeg for transcoding. > >>> Most other server bits here are on FreeNAS boxes. > >>> > >>> I'm not seriously expecting hipster to be super stable, but I can't > >>> imagine > >>> you folks putting all this effort in unless your experience > occasionally > >>> includes reasonable usefulness. > >>> > >>> Hans J. Albertsson > >>> From my Nexus 5 > >>> > >>> Den 27 sep. 2016 7:40 em skrev "cpforum" : > >>> > >>> > >>>> Message du 27/09/16 09:02 > >>>>> De : "Hans J. Albertsson" > >>>>> A : openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > >>>>> Copie à : > >>>>> Objet : [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly > includes > >>>>> gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice > >>>>> things. > >>>>> > >>>>> No warnings on the Release Notes page. > >>>>> > >>>>> Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the > >>>>> intro/invite text talks about serious problems with having both MATE > and > >>>>> Gnome > >>>>> > >>>>> And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand > >>>>> the ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries: > >>>>> > >>>>> I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well > worth > >>>>> trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine, mostly"? > >>>>> > >>>> On the desktop hipster is a "no crash stable beta". But you have to > add > >>>> some package to make it > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Here is a script for that. > >>>> > >>>> = > >>>> #!/bin/ksh > >>>> > >>>> # > >>>> # Compléments Gnome > >>>> # > >>>> > >>>> pkg install \ > >>>> system/install/local
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
Ok, clear. Hans J. Albertsson >From my Nexus 5 Den 27 sep. 2016 18:00 skrev "ken mays via openindiana-discuss" < openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org>: > Hello, > No. The official snapshot is the 2016.04 (i.e. BETA) release. The 2016.08 > snapshot is an ALPHA (experimental) release - not an official snapshot. > Read carefully, there are no STABLE releases of OI-Hipster. These are all > 'developer snapshots' - and only tested within a limited scope. > oi_151a track was maintained in a somewhat STABLE manner (slow moving > track). > ~K > > > On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 12:03 AM, Hans J. Albertsson < > hans.j.alberts...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly includes > gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice things. > > No warnings on the Release Notes page. > > Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the > intro/invite text talks about serious problems with having both MATE and > Gnome > > And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand > the ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff. > > > So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries: > > I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well worth > trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine, mostly"? > > Are the live graphical ISOs reasonably complete, including most standard > toppings for the Hipster ice cream? Or should I expect to add further > packages after the ISO is installed, in order to have a nice basic > desktop or media server experience?? > > Is the Gnome vs Mate issue from the 2016-08-16 test ISO a problem in the > 2016.04 ISO as well??? > > In the future, how do I upgrade from my then current Hipster ISO distro > to the next Hipster ISO distro? > Will the ISOs contain an upgrade option?? Or is there some consolidation > package magic to use the IPS server for that?? > > I intend to run Hipster in a new machine, no old data to backup. > > > > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > > > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
Hi, I wouldn't consider OpenIndiana beta or alpha. There are people outvthere using it for serious stuff. Back in the days, it had a lot of users on servers, esp. storages and servers. As things went, some people migrated to OmniOS/SmartOS or even Linux with ZoL or FreeBSD. illumos has very nice technologies and the integration between them is great experience, but not many people sre interested in. People are happy with "good enough" as Linux (that´s the reality). Also, certain areas of the system hasn't seen innovations since 2010. Rolling release model is great for developers / experienced users who are not afraid of dealing with problems (the model works basically the same ad on Archlinux). Are sunrays your only usecase for OI? Cheers, Adam > On 29 Sep 2016, at 08:39, Hans J Albertsson > wrote: > > Please NO! > Don't think I'm confused! I just want to know a couple more details about > how to use the isos! > > The hipster rolling release seems a really great idea, and OpenIndiana was > always a beta or even alpha! > > Hans J. Albertsson > From my Nexus 5 > > Den 28 sep. 2016 18:00 skrev "Private openbabel" : > >> I have suspected sometime that a rolling release would confuse potential >> users. Perhaps we should consider a named beta release soon under the >> appropriate celestrial name? >> >> Robert >> >> >>> On 27/09/2016 20:05, Hans J Albertsson wrote: >>> >>> Ok, so I install the iso, check what is missing and get the rest as you >>> show. >>> >>> This machine is just a tryout for me. Wanna see if I can get SunRays, with >>> Firefox, thunderbird and libreoffice going and then a serviio dlna server >>> using ffmpeg for transcoding. >>> Most other server bits here are on FreeNAS boxes. >>> >>> I'm not seriously expecting hipster to be super stable, but I can't >>> imagine >>> you folks putting all this effort in unless your experience occasionally >>> includes reasonable usefulness. >>> >>> Hans J. Albertsson >>> From my Nexus 5 >>> >>> Den 27 sep. 2016 7:40 em skrev "cpforum" : >>> >>> >>>> Message du 27/09/16 09:02 >>>>> De : "Hans J. Albertsson" >>>>> A : openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org >>>>> Copie à : >>>>> Objet : [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly includes >>>>> gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice >>>>> things. >>>>> >>>>> No warnings on the Release Notes page. >>>>> >>>>> Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the >>>>> intro/invite text talks about serious problems with having both MATE and >>>>> Gnome >>>>> >>>>> And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand >>>>> the ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries: >>>>> >>>>> I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well worth >>>>> trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine, mostly"? >>>>> >>>> On the desktop hipster is a "no crash stable beta". But you have to add >>>> some package to make it >>>> >>>> >>>> Here is a script for that. >>>> >>>> = >>>> #!/bin/ksh >>>> >>>> # >>>> # Compléments Gnome >>>> # >>>> >>>> pkg install \ >>>> system/install/locale \ >>>> image/gnome-backgrounds \ >>>> gnome/theme/background/os-backgrounds-extra \ >>>> gnome/media/sound-recorder \ >>>> desktop/keepassx \ >>>> image/viewer/gthumb \ >>>> image/editor/inkscape \ >>>> image/webcam/cheese \ >>>> web/editor/bluefish \ >>>> editor/diagram/dia \ >>>> image/scanner/xsane \ >>>> image/editor/gimp >>>> >>>> # >>>> # Multimédia >>>> # >>>> >>>> pkg set-publisher \ >>>> -g http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster-emcubered hipster-encumbered >>>> >>>> pkg refresh --full >>>> pkg inst
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
Please NO! Don't think I'm confused! I just want to know a couple more details about how to use the isos! The hipster rolling release seems a really great idea, and OpenIndiana was always a beta or even alpha! Hans J. Albertsson From my Nexus 5 Den 28 sep. 2016 18:00 skrev "Private openbabel" : > I have suspected sometime that a rolling release would confuse potential > users. Perhaps we should consider a named beta release soon under the > appropriate celestrial name? > > Robert > > > On 27/09/2016 20:05, Hans J Albertsson wrote: > >> Ok, so I install the iso, check what is missing and get the rest as you >> show. >> >> This machine is just a tryout for me. Wanna see if I can get SunRays, with >> Firefox, thunderbird and libreoffice going and then a serviio dlna server >> using ffmpeg for transcoding. >> Most other server bits here are on FreeNAS boxes. >> >> I'm not seriously expecting hipster to be super stable, but I can't >> imagine >> you folks putting all this effort in unless your experience occasionally >> includes reasonable usefulness. >> >> Hans J. Albertsson >> From my Nexus 5 >> >> Den 27 sep. 2016 7:40 em skrev "cpforum" : >> >> >>> Message du 27/09/16 09:02 >>>> De : "Hans J. Albertsson" >>>> A : openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org >>>> Copie à : >>>> Objet : [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion >>>> >>>> I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly includes >>>> gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice >>>> things. >>>> >>>> No warnings on the Release Notes page. >>>> >>>> Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the >>>> intro/invite text talks about serious problems with having both MATE and >>>> Gnome >>>> >>>> And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand >>>> the ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff. >>>> >>>> >>>> So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries: >>>> >>>> I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well worth >>>> trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine, mostly"? >>>> >>> On the desktop hipster is a "no crash stable beta". But you have to add >>> some package to make it >>> >>> >>> Here is a script for that. >>> >>> = >>> #!/bin/ksh >>> >>> # >>> # Compléments Gnome >>> # >>> >>> pkg install \ >>> system/install/locale \ >>> image/gnome-backgrounds \ >>> gnome/theme/background/os-backgrounds-extra \ >>> gnome/media/sound-recorder \ >>> desktop/keepassx \ >>> image/viewer/gthumb \ >>> image/editor/inkscape \ >>> image/webcam/cheese \ >>> web/editor/bluefish \ >>> editor/diagram/dia \ >>> image/scanner/xsane \ >>> image/editor/gimp >>> >>> # >>> # Multimédia >>> # >>> >>> pkg set-publisher \ >>> -g http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster-emcubered hipster-encumbered >>> >>> pkg refresh --full >>> pkg install \ >>> media/vlc \ >>> gstreamer/plugin/bad \ >>> gstreamer/plugin/ffmpeg \ >>> gstreamer/plugin/ugly \ >>> library/video/libdvdcss >>> >>> # >>> # Bureautique >>> # >>> >>> pkg set-publisher -g http://sfe.opencsw.org/localhostoih localhostoih >>> pkg install \ >>> pkg://localhostoih/library/g++/icu \ >>> pkg://localhostoih/system/library/g++/boost \ >>> desktop/application/libreoffice4-desktop-int \ >>> desktop/application/libreoffice4 >>> >>> === >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Are the live graphical ISOs reasonably complete, including most standard >>>> toppings for the Hipster ice cream? Or should I expect to add further >>>> packages after the ISO is installed, in order to have a nice basic >>>> desktop or media server experience?? >>>> >>>> Is the Gnome vs Mate issue from the 2016-08-16 test ISO a problem in the >>>> 2016.04 ISO as well??? >>>> >>>> In the future, how do I upgrade from my then current Hipster ISO distro >>>> to the next Hipster ISO distro? >>>> Will the ISOs contain an upgrade option?? Or is there some consolidation >>>> package magic to use the IPS server for that?? >>>> >>>> I intend to run Hipster in a new machine, no old data to backup. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> openindiana-discuss mailing list >>>> openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org >>>> https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss >>>> >>>> ___ >> openindiana-discuss mailing list >> openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org >> https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss >> > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
I have suspected sometime that a rolling release would confuse potential users. Perhaps we should consider a named beta release soon under the appropriate celestrial name? Robert On 27/09/2016 20:05, Hans J Albertsson wrote: Ok, so I install the iso, check what is missing and get the rest as you show. This machine is just a tryout for me. Wanna see if I can get SunRays, with Firefox, thunderbird and libreoffice going and then a serviio dlna server using ffmpeg for transcoding. Most other server bits here are on FreeNAS boxes. I'm not seriously expecting hipster to be super stable, but I can't imagine you folks putting all this effort in unless your experience occasionally includes reasonable usefulness. Hans J. Albertsson From my Nexus 5 Den 27 sep. 2016 7:40 em skrev "cpforum" : Message du 27/09/16 09:02 De : "Hans J. Albertsson" A : openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Copie à : Objet : [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly includes gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice things. No warnings on the Release Notes page. Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the intro/invite text talks about serious problems with having both MATE and Gnome And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand the ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff. So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries: I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well worth trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine, mostly"? On the desktop hipster is a "no crash stable beta". But you have to add some package to make it Here is a script for that. = #!/bin/ksh # # Compléments Gnome # pkg install \ system/install/locale \ image/gnome-backgrounds \ gnome/theme/background/os-backgrounds-extra \ gnome/media/sound-recorder \ desktop/keepassx \ image/viewer/gthumb \ image/editor/inkscape \ image/webcam/cheese \ web/editor/bluefish \ editor/diagram/dia \ image/scanner/xsane \ image/editor/gimp # # Multimédia # pkg set-publisher \ -g http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster-emcubered hipster-encumbered pkg refresh --full pkg install \ media/vlc \ gstreamer/plugin/bad \ gstreamer/plugin/ffmpeg \ gstreamer/plugin/ugly \ library/video/libdvdcss # # Bureautique # pkg set-publisher -g http://sfe.opencsw.org/localhostoih localhostoih pkg install \ pkg://localhostoih/library/g++/icu \ pkg://localhostoih/system/library/g++/boost \ desktop/application/libreoffice4-desktop-int \ desktop/application/libreoffice4 === Are the live graphical ISOs reasonably complete, including most standard toppings for the Hipster ice cream? Or should I expect to add further packages after the ISO is installed, in order to have a nice basic desktop or media server experience?? Is the Gnome vs Mate issue from the 2016-08-16 test ISO a problem in the 2016.04 ISO as well??? In the future, how do I upgrade from my then current Hipster ISO distro to the next Hipster ISO distro? Will the ISOs contain an upgrade option?? Or is there some consolidation package magic to use the IPS server for that?? I intend to run Hipster in a new machine, no old data to backup. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: > I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly includes > gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice things. > > No warnings on the Release Notes page. > > Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the intro/invite > text talks about serious problems with having both MATE and Gnome > > And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand the > ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff. > > > So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries: > > I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well worth > trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine, mostly"? The "unstable" definition of Hipster means that you can expect version bumps with occasional breakage: it does not mean that your system will collapse. This is a rather common misunderstanding of "stable". The base system being what you can expect from illumos, it is "stable" as in "not falling" apart. Some bugs may occasionally appear for Desktop components but I have the same and even more on my Debian stable (e.g minus the ones I fixed i oi-userland). The bottom line is: I have been running Hipster for my researchin the past 4 years. Now running MATE + Xorg 1.18.4 on 3 workstations (Intel and Nvidia graphics). Another thing: Hipster is what people make of it, so the more love it is given, the better it is e.g contributions to oi-userland are welcome. > > Are the live graphical ISOs reasonably complete, including most standard > toppings for the Hipster ice cream? Or should I expect to add further > packages after the ISO is installed, in order to have a nice basic desktop > or media server experience?? > > Is the Gnome vs Mate issue from the 2016-08-16 test ISO a problem in the > 2016.04 ISO as well??? > > In the future, how do I upgrade from my then current Hipster ISO distro to > the next Hipster ISO distro? > Will the ISOs contain an upgrade option?? Or is there some consolidation > package magic to use the IPS server for that?? > > I intend to run Hipster in a new machine, no old data to backup. > > > > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- --- Praise the Caffeine embeddings ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
Ok, so I install the iso, check what is missing and get the rest as you show. This machine is just a tryout for me. Wanna see if I can get SunRays, with Firefox, thunderbird and libreoffice going and then a serviio dlna server using ffmpeg for transcoding. Most other server bits here are on FreeNAS boxes. I'm not seriously expecting hipster to be super stable, but I can't imagine you folks putting all this effort in unless your experience occasionally includes reasonable usefulness. Hans J. Albertsson From my Nexus 5 Den 27 sep. 2016 7:40 em skrev "cpforum" : > > > > Message du 27/09/16 09:02 > > De : "Hans J. Albertsson" > > A : openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > > Copie à : > > Objet : [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion > > > > I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly includes > > gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice things. > > > > No warnings on the Release Notes page. > > > > Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the > > intro/invite text talks about serious problems with having both MATE and > > Gnome > > > > And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand > > the ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff. > > > > > > So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries: > > > > I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well worth > > trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine, mostly"? > > On the desktop hipster is a "no crash stable beta". But you have to add > some package to make it > > > Here is a script for that. > > = > #!/bin/ksh > > # > # Compléments Gnome > # > > pkg install \ > system/install/locale \ > image/gnome-backgrounds \ > gnome/theme/background/os-backgrounds-extra \ > gnome/media/sound-recorder \ > desktop/keepassx \ > image/viewer/gthumb \ > image/editor/inkscape \ > image/webcam/cheese \ > web/editor/bluefish \ > editor/diagram/dia \ > image/scanner/xsane \ > image/editor/gimp > > # > # Multimédia > # > > pkg set-publisher \ > -g http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster-emcubered hipster-encumbered > > pkg refresh --full > pkg install \ > media/vlc \ > gstreamer/plugin/bad \ > gstreamer/plugin/ffmpeg \ > gstreamer/plugin/ugly \ > library/video/libdvdcss > > # > # Bureautique > # > > pkg set-publisher -g http://sfe.opencsw.org/localhostoih localhostoih > pkg install \ > pkg://localhostoih/library/g++/icu \ > pkg://localhostoih/system/library/g++/boost \ > desktop/application/libreoffice4-desktop-int \ > desktop/application/libreoffice4 > > === > > > > > > > > > > Are the live graphical ISOs reasonably complete, including most standard > > toppings for the Hipster ice cream? Or should I expect to add further > > packages after the ISO is installed, in order to have a nice basic > > desktop or media server experience?? > > > > Is the Gnome vs Mate issue from the 2016-08-16 test ISO a problem in the > > 2016.04 ISO as well??? > > > > In the future, how do I upgrade from my then current Hipster ISO distro > > to the next Hipster ISO distro? > > Will the ISOs contain an upgrade option?? Or is there some consolidation > > package magic to use the IPS server for that?? > > > > I intend to run Hipster in a new machine, no old data to backup. > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > openindiana-discuss mailing list > > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > > https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > > > ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
> Message du 27/09/16 09:02 > De : "Hans J. Albertsson" > A : openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > Copie à : > Objet : [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion > > I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly includes > gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice things. > > No warnings on the Release Notes page. > > Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the > intro/invite text talks about serious problems with having both MATE and > Gnome > > And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand > the ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff. > > > So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries: > > I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well worth > trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine, mostly"? On the desktop hipster is a "no crash stable beta". But you have to add some package to make it Here is a script for that. = #!/bin/ksh # # Compléments Gnome # pkg install \ system/install/locale \ image/gnome-backgrounds \ gnome/theme/background/os-backgrounds-extra \ gnome/media/sound-recorder \ desktop/keepassx \ image/viewer/gthumb \ image/editor/inkscape \ image/webcam/cheese \ web/editor/bluefish \ editor/diagram/dia \ image/scanner/xsane \ image/editor/gimp # # Multimédia # pkg set-publisher \ -g http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster-emcubered hipster-encumbered pkg refresh --full pkg install \ media/vlc \ gstreamer/plugin/bad \ gstreamer/plugin/ffmpeg \ gstreamer/plugin/ugly \ library/video/libdvdcss # # Bureautique # pkg set-publisher -g http://sfe.opencsw.org/localhostoih localhostoih pkg install \ pkg://localhostoih/library/g++/icu \ pkg://localhostoih/system/library/g++/boost \ desktop/application/libreoffice4-desktop-int \ desktop/application/libreoffice4 === > > Are the live graphical ISOs reasonably complete, including most standard > toppings for the Hipster ice cream? Or should I expect to add further > packages after the ISO is installed, in order to have a nice basic > desktop or media server experience?? > > Is the Gnome vs Mate issue from the 2016-08-16 test ISO a problem in the > 2016.04 ISO as well??? > > In the future, how do I upgrade from my then current Hipster ISO distro > to the next Hipster ISO distro? > Will the ISOs contain an upgrade option?? Or is there some consolidation > package magic to use the IPS server for that?? > > I intend to run Hipster in a new machine, no old data to backup. > > > > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
Hello, No. The official snapshot is the 2016.04 (i.e. BETA) release. The 2016.08 snapshot is an ALPHA (experimental) release - not an official snapshot. Read carefully, there are no STABLE releases of OI-Hipster. These are all 'developer snapshots' - and only tested within a limited scope. oi_151a track was maintained in a somewhat STABLE manner (slow moving track). ~K On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 12:03 AM, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly includes gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice things. No warnings on the Release Notes page. Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the intro/invite text talks about serious problems with having both MATE and Gnome And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand the ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff. So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries: I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well worth trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine, mostly"? Are the live graphical ISOs reasonably complete, including most standard toppings for the Hipster ice cream? Or should I expect to add further packages after the ISO is installed, in order to have a nice basic desktop or media server experience?? Is the Gnome vs Mate issue from the 2016-08-16 test ISO a problem in the 2016.04 ISO as well??? In the future, how do I upgrade from my then current Hipster ISO distro to the next Hipster ISO distro? Will the ISOs contain an upgrade option?? Or is there some consolidation package magic to use the IPS server for that?? I intend to run Hipster in a new machine, no old data to backup. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] Hipster distro contents confusion
I'm looking at Hipster 2016.04 and noticing that it supposedly includes gnome and mate1.4, apart from firefox and ffmpeg and lots of nice things. No warnings on the Release Notes page. Then I find another download, 2016 08 16, a test iso where the intro/invite text talks about serious problems with having both MATE and Gnome And I have a few other minor unclear points when trying to understand the ISO snapshot vs ips server stuff. So a few questions to clear my mind of unfounded worries: I suppose the ISOs are "hipster in a reasonably stable state, well worth trying in a non-critical machine, likely to work just fine, mostly"? Are the live graphical ISOs reasonably complete, including most standard toppings for the Hipster ice cream? Or should I expect to add further packages after the ISO is installed, in order to have a nice basic desktop or media server experience?? Is the Gnome vs Mate issue from the 2016-08-16 test ISO a problem in the 2016.04 ISO as well??? In the future, how do I upgrade from my then current Hipster ISO distro to the next Hipster ISO distro? Will the ISOs contain an upgrade option?? Or is there some consolidation package magic to use the IPS server for that?? I intend to run Hipster in a new machine, no old data to backup. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
