Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] google drive on openindiana?
Sorry for the late repsonse, Jerry. Message: 4 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:42:13 -0500 From: Jerry Kemp sun.mail.lis...@oryx.cc To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] google drive on openindiana? Message-ID: 502c5e05.6060...@oryx.cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think that it would be difficult for me to pose a legitimate argument to your statement, but, for those of you running OpenIndiana on your desktop, or Solaris, or one of the many open Solaris based distro's, how many of you are running a current, or close to current copy of Firefox and/or Thunderbird? Whenever I do a Solaris install, the FIRST thing I do is go to sunfreeware.com or unixpackages.com, download the latest version of Firefox and install it. I just did this under Solaris 10 Update 10 on SPARC under a week ago. After that, I wait until a user in the community complains, then I upgrade all 300 virtual desktop instances with the latest version of Firefox that I can. (I still have 2 VDI hosts running Solaris 9, unfortunately. They get what they get.) None of those are compiled by Mozilla personnel, although they are distributed on the Mozilla site. All of the current *Solaris stuff is in the contrib section, and has been for some time. Jerry We need to keep our development resources out of this area of compiling individual packages and keep professional packagers doing this for us. It should be their day job. Their time is worth every penny. This is the instanity of a packaging system for every distro. SVR4 can download packages from a network stream directly, SVR4 can natively handle custom methods (like compression) without source-code change, it has stood the test of time, and packages have been available for our consumption for decades. If we need an update, then we should pay for an update, if we don't want to spend our own time, or we should compile it and contribute it, and maybe ask for a credit! ;-) Thanks - Dave http://svr4.blogspot.com/ ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] google drive on openindiana?
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: I was at a presentation yesterday evening about google drive, and tried it out on my OI environment today. It seems that not having Chrome on OI, or the special Google Drive software GDrive, limits the experience significantly.. Lots of Drive Apps require Chrome and those that do sort of work on Firefox seem to have problems being made available for the Open With menu on Google Drive, or even accessing the Drive for storing results. Has anyone found a way to integrate Google Drive neatly into an Open Indiana environment? Or can this be expected to be easier in the future? Unless Google Chrome is made completely available as free open source, including all mutimedia players, and with a way to disable Google's proprietary trackers, it should be seen as an outright assault on Solaris and its derivatives. Google's ploys for encouraging the installation and use of Chrome (displacing Firefox) are downright shameful. Yesterday I was using a Ubuntu Linux system remotely. I clicked on a link and a window popped up asking if I wanted to make Chrome my default browser and if I wanted to start Chrome. There was no way to quit this window other than 'xkill' (Window manager buttons disabled) and no way to select a different browser. Likewise, on a Windows VM with limited storage allocation, I installed Adobe Reader. The installation process also installed Google Chrome (1.2GB of precious space) at the same time with no indication that it was going to do such a thing and no apparent way to opt out. Now Adobe is ditching Flash except for from within Google Chrome. Adobe has become allied with Google and is transferring its various monopoly powers (Flash and Acrobat Reader) to Google. Google is rapidly becoming the next Microsoft. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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That all might be the case but I happen to like a lot of the google services! And their integration too. If you differ, use other services ;) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] google drive on openindiana?
Chrome/Chromium is a better browser than Firefox in essentially every single way. Promoting a better browser is not shameful, it's good customer service. Chromium is fully open source. The difference is that Google Chrome is a customized Chromium build. The same as the build on Ubuntu is different than the build on Windows. The differences are outlined here: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome. If you're on a system with Chrome installed, you can either launch it incognito, which disables all their 'proprietary trackers', or you can disable all of them through settings. If the Ubuntu system you were on had no way to select a different browser, that would be something the system was having an issue with. Sounds like there wasn't another handler installed for http links. Chrome is only 1.2GB of space when you have multiple versions installed, so Adobe Reader didn't install it at that point, it would've been installed previously, and Reader MAY have upgraded it when you agreed to install Chrome when you agreed to download the Reader installer. It's very clear on the screen, it has a picture of Chrome, the Chrome logo, a highlighted box that says Yes, install Chrome as my default browser and Google Toolbar for Internet Explorer – *optional*. (28.4 MB) Install Optionshttp://get.adobe.com/reader/ . Adobe ditched Flash for Android, not for anything else. And really, that was for the best, Flash sucks on Android. Google's inclusion of Flash is no different than the builtin PDF reader or the built in MP3 codec, they're common enough things to be included by default. It's just one plugin that I don't have to go and install myself after the fact. Google has some significant issues, their data collection being the most obvious. But to say that they're acting anything like MS did in the 90s is ridiculous. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Wed, 15 Aug 2012, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: I was at a presentation yesterday evening about google drive, and tried it out on my OI environment today. It seems that not having Chrome on OI, or the special Google Drive software GDrive, limits the experience significantly.. Lots of Drive Apps require Chrome and those that do sort of work on Firefox seem to have problems being made available for the Open With menu on Google Drive, or even accessing the Drive for storing results. Has anyone found a way to integrate Google Drive neatly into an Open Indiana environment? Or can this be expected to be easier in the future? Unless Google Chrome is made completely available as free open source, including all mutimedia players, and with a way to disable Google's proprietary trackers, it should be seen as an outright assault on Solaris and its derivatives. Google's ploys for encouraging the installation and use of Chrome (displacing Firefox) are downright shameful. Yesterday I was using a Ubuntu Linux system remotely. I clicked on a link and a window popped up asking if I wanted to make Chrome my default browser and if I wanted to start Chrome. There was no way to quit this window other than 'xkill' (Window manager buttons disabled) and no way to select a different browser. Likewise, on a Windows VM with limited storage allocation, I installed Adobe Reader. The installation process also installed Google Chrome (1.2GB of precious space) at the same time with no indication that it was going to do such a thing and no apparent way to opt out. Now Adobe is ditching Flash except for from within Google Chrome. Adobe has become allied with Google and is transferring its various monopoly powers (Flash and Acrobat Reader) to Google. Google is rapidly becoming the next Microsoft. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/** users/bfriesen/ http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ __**_ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@**openindiana.orgOpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/**mailman/listinfo/openindiana-**discusshttp://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Seconds to the drop, but it seems like hours. http://www.openmedia.ca https://robbiecrash.me ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] google drive on openindiana?
I was staying out of this, honestly I was ... Adobe ditched Flash for Android, not for anything else. And really, that was for the best, Flash sucks on Android. Google's inclusion of Flash is no different than the builtin PDF reader or the built in MP3 codec, they're common enough things to be included by default. It's just one plugin that I don't have to go and install myself after the fact. https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ Linux Mozilla, Firefox, SeaMonkey (Flash Player 11.2 is the last supported Flash Player version for Linux. Adobe will continue to provide security updates.) Solaris Flash Player 11.2.202.223 is the last supported Flash Player version for Solaris Umm it has dropped Chrome/Chromium is a better browser than Firefox in essentially every single way. Promoting a better browser is not shameful, it's good customer service. This is a personal preference only! There are no hallmarks, or tests that can say which is a better browser. I have Chromium installed on my Ubuntu at home, and it stays updated via the Ubuntu Package manager, but I _always_ use Firefox as my browser because of AdBlock+ and additional plugins, that is _my_preference_! ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2012, Robbie Crash wrote: Chrome/Chromium is a better browser than Firefox in essentially every single way. Promoting a better browser is not shameful, it's good customer service. I have used both and the user experience seems very similar to me. There are a few web sites which refuse to offer multimedia to Linux FireFox (even though it is technically capable) but offer it to Chrome. Presumably this is due to the contractual agreements between Google and the many thousands of web sites which are allied with them because of Google's monopoly position on the Internet. Chromium is fully open source. The difference is that Google Chrome is a customized Chromium build. The same as the build on Ubuntu is different Customized apparently means offers a lot more essential stuff. Hardly anyone is using Chromium. If the Ubuntu system you were on had no way to select a different browser, that would be something the system was having an issue with. Sounds like there wasn't another handler installed for http links. This was obviously a Google-supplied dialog window. It interjected itself into the OS dialogs when it was installed. There are plenty of other browers on the system. Chrome is only 1.2GB of space when you have multiple versions installed, so Adobe Reader didn't install it at that point, it would've been installed previously, and Reader MAY have upgraded it when you agreed to install Chrome when you agreed to download the Reader installer. It's very clear on the screen, it has a picture of Chrome, the Chrome logo, a highlighted box that says Yes, install Chrome as my default browser and Google Toolbar for Internet Explorer – *optional*. (28.4 MB) Install Optionshttp://get.adobe.com/reader/ There was no mention of Chrome at the time. The installation was on a a from-scratch Windows install. Adobe ditched Flash for Android, not for anything else. And really, that was for the best, Flash sucks on Android. Google's inclusion of Flash is no Adobe ditched the Flash plugin for Linux and Solaris, in part due to their contracts with Google. It may still work today but will be worse than useless in less than a year. Google has some significant issues, their data collection being the most obvious. But to say that they're acting anything like MS did in the 90s is ridiculous. Google has built up a huge position on the Internet and billions of people only experience the Internet by launching from Google. Regardless, I am not seeing that Chromium is available for Solaris. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Jonathan Adams t12nsloo...@gmail.comwrote: I was staying out of this, honestly I was ... Adobe ditched Flash for Android, not for anything else. And really, that was for the best, Flash sucks on Android. Google's inclusion of Flash is no different than the builtin PDF reader or the built in MP3 codec, they're common enough things to be included by default. It's just one plugin that I don't have to go and install myself after the fact. https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ Linux Mozilla, Firefox, SeaMonkey (Flash Player 11.2 is the last supported Flash Player version for Linux. Adobe will continue to provide security updates.) Solaris Flash Player 11.2.202.223 is the last supported Flash Player version for Solaris Umm it has dropped Yeah, my bad. I was only referring to the within Chrome part, rather than their actual dropping of supported platforms. They've dropped support for all mobile everything as well. But, they're not updating the Linux version in Chrome either. It's not that Adobe is only updating for Chrome, they're only updating for their supported platforms, and Google is bundling it into Chrome. Chrome/Chromium is a better browser than Firefox in essentially every single way. Promoting a better browser is not shameful, it's good customer service. This is a personal preference only! There are no hallmarks, or tests that can say which is a better browser. It's demonstrably more stable, faster and uses less resources. However, this seems to only be on Windows from what I'm reading now, so maybe ignore that comment since I pretty much only use Windows on the desktop. I have Chromium installed on my Ubuntu at home, and it stays updated via the Ubuntu Package manager, but I _always_ use Firefox as my browser because of AdBlock+ and additional plugins, that is _my_preference_! Fair enough. Although, AdBlock+ and NoScript and such are also available in Chrome. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss -- Seconds to the drop, but it seems like hours. http://www.openmedia.ca https://robbiecrash.me ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] google drive on openindiana?
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Jonathan Adams t12nsloo...@gmail.com wrote: I was staying out of this, honestly I was ... Adobe ditched Flash for Android, not for anything else. And really, that was for the best, Flash sucks on Android. Google's inclusion of Flash is no different than the builtin PDF reader or the built in MP3 codec, they're common enough things to be included by default. It's just one plugin that I don't have to go and install myself after the fact. https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ Linux Mozilla, Firefox, SeaMonkey (Flash Player 11.2 is the last supported Flash Player version for Linux. Adobe will continue to provide security updates.) Solaris Flash Player 11.2.202.223 is the last supported Flash Player version for Solaris Umm it has dropped I posted yesterday about this on the solaris-x86 list. BTW, 11.2.202.228 is the last player for solaris (bundled in fp_11.2.202.228_archive.zip). 202.223 is not available for download. Francois ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On 15/08/2012 17:53, Francois Dion wrote: I posted yesterday about this on the solaris-x86 list. BTW, 11.2.202.228 is the last player for solaris (bundled in fp_11.2.202.228_archive.zip). 202.223 is not available for download. And if you look carefully inside that package, you only see the 202.223 solaris version, not a 228, as it pretends. -- Dr.Udo GrabowskiInst.f.Meteorology a.Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT www-imk.fzk.de/asf/sat/grabowski/ www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technologyhttp://www.kit.edu Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026 ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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Yeah, my bad. I was only referring to the within Chrome part, rather than their actual dropping of supported platforms. They've dropped support for all mobile everything as well. But, they're not updating the Linux version in Chrome either. It's not that Adobe is only updating for Chrome, they're only updating for their supported platforms, and Google is bundling it into Chrome. Once I had some free time and I tried to build chromium with everything. Well, their multimedia support comes from ffmpeg, which is capable to play flv files and many other things. BTW, compilation of the ffmpeg part failed althougt there is no problem with pure ffmpeg. So maybe it was a patched version. A.S. -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] google drive on openindiana?
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Wed, 15 Aug 2012, Robbie Crash wrote: Chrome/Chromium is a better browser than Firefox in essentially every single way. Promoting a better browser is not shameful, it's good customer service. I have used both and the user experience seems very similar to me. There are a few web sites which refuse to offer multimedia to Linux FireFox (even though it is technically capable) but offer it to Chrome. Presumably this is due to the contractual agreements between Google and the many thousands of web sites which are allied with them because of Google's monopoly position on the Internet. More likely it's based on the fact that the websites are built to work with IE than with anything else and the builtin support in Chrome for proprietary file types handles those links, where as Firefox requires additional extensions. Such as mp3 handling, supported by Chrome by default, but handled by the native application in Firefox if there's one registered. Same thing as how on Windows if you have QuickTime installed, Firefox plays mp3s with that rather than downloading the file. Chromium is fully open source. The difference is that Google Chrome is a customized Chromium build. The same as the build on Ubuntu is different Customized apparently means offers a lot more essential stuff. Hardly anyone is using Chromium. Customized means it includes proprietary filetype handling, and includes usage stats and the other things listed on the differences page I linked to. If the Ubuntu system you were on had no way to select a different browser, that would be something the system was having an issue with. Sounds like there wasn't another handler installed for http links. This was obviously a Google-supplied dialog window. It interjected itself into the OS dialogs when it was installed. There are plenty of other browers on the system. The do you want Chrome to be your default browser windows was undoubtedly a Google window, the lack of ability to choose a different browser isn't something that a browser should typically be able to do. I just built and tested this on an Ubuntu VM with Chrome and Firefox installed as default, and links opened in Firefox. When I launched Chrome by hand, it did ask if I wanted to use it as default. Selecting no, links still opened in Firefox. The behaviour you're seeing is not normal. Chrome is only 1.2GB of space when you have multiple versions installed, so Adobe Reader didn't install it at that point, it would've been installed previously, and Reader MAY have upgraded it when you agreed to install Chrome when you agreed to download the Reader installer. It's very clear on the screen, it has a picture of Chrome, the Chrome logo, a highlighted box that says Yes, install Chrome as my default browser and Google Toolbar for Internet Explorer – *optional*. (28.4 MB) Install Optionshttp://get.adobe.com/**reader/ http://get.adobe.com/reader/ There was no mention of Chrome at the time. The installation was on a a from-scratch Windows install. The mention of Chrome is on the http://get.adobe.com/**reader/http://get.adobe.com/reader/ page when you go there through IE. Downloading Reader from elsewhere, or through alternate browsers does not offer Chrome, but instead offers McAfee AV if you visit through Chrome, and nothing if you go through Firefox. But in IE, I assure you it's there, and from what I can tell, not installed in any other way. Adobe ditched Flash for Android, not for anything else. And really, that was for the best, Flash sucks on Android. Google's inclusion of Flash is no Adobe ditched the Flash plugin for Linux and Solaris, in part due to their contracts with Google. It may still work today but will be worse than useless in less than a year. Adobe abandoned Linux and Solaris. Google is supporting Flash on Linux through PPAPI. Google is helping in this situation, not hindering, by offering an avenue to have updated Flash support. Adobe has always been awful at supporting Flash on Linux. I don't understand what rationale Google would have to say to Adobe We don't want you supporting the platform you barely support, we'll do that for you. Google has some significant issues, their data collection being the most obvious. But to say that they're acting anything like MS did in the 90s is ridiculous. Google has built up a huge position on the Internet and billions of people only experience the Internet by launching from Google. People go to Google because it offers the best service. The majority of people's initial browser launch doesn't start at Google. It starts at MSN or Apple, people then choose to go to Google. Simply being dominant in the market doesn't mean you're being anti-competitive or shitty. Regardless, I am not seeing that Chromium is available for Solaris. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] google drive on openindiana?
On 08/15/12 10:02 AM, Robbie Crash wrote: Chrome/Chromium is a better browser than Firefox in essentially every single way. Promoting a better browser is not shameful, it's good customer service. I'm not going to argue with you here, but I will say that my experiences have been the opposite. At least on the Mac (Chromium vs. Firefox). Regardless, options are good. Chromium is fully open source. The difference is that Google Chrome is a customized Chromium build. The same as the build on Ubuntu is different than the build on Windows. The differences are outlined here: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome. If you're on a system with Chrome installed, you can either launch it incognito, which disables all their 'proprietary trackers', or you can disable all of them through settings. FWIW, back in April 2011, some guy named ruben did a successful compile of Chrome and put his URL up on the desktop-discuss list. The body from his email message is posted below. Don't bother clicking the link, his stuff is gone now. You could probably find his site on the Wayback machine if you really wanted to. Anyway, for those of you who remember the follow on discussion, it wasn't one of thanks for your hard efforts. Several people posted messages of distrust because the package(s) were not available from Google, Illumos or Sun/Oracle, or a site they were familiar with. It was a sad discussion to observe, and I felt bad for the guy who jumped through all the hoops he did get get it working. Jerry ... Hello, I recently ported Chromium 10, the open source base of the current Google Chrome 10 stable browser, to Solaris 5.11 snv_151a. A test build for i386 is available here: http://chromium.hybridsource.org There are a couple issues I'm still ironing out, as written in the notes. Thanks to James Choi for his early patches from last year that got this Solaris port going. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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That IS unfortunate, but sensible. Things are shitty now. You need to not trust people. I don't trust code I either can't see, or in the case of Windows, know that they have more to lose than they have to gain by fucking me over. On Aug 15, 2012 10:02 PM, Jerry Kemp sun.mail.lis...@oryx.cc wrote: On 08/15/12 10:02 AM, Robbie Crash wrote: Chrome/Chromium is a better browser than Firefox in essentially every single way. Promoting a better browser is not shameful, it's good customer service. I'm not going to argue with you here, but I will say that my experiences have been the opposite. At least on the Mac (Chromium vs. Firefox). Regardless, options are good. Chromium is fully open source. The difference is that Google Chrome is a customized Chromium build. The same as the build on Ubuntu is different than the build on Windows. The differences are outlined here: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome. If you're on a system with Chrome installed, you can either launch it incognito, which disables all their 'proprietary trackers', or you can disable all of them through settings. FWIW, back in April 2011, some guy named ruben did a successful compile of Chrome and put his URL up on the desktop-discuss list. The body from his email message is posted below. Don't bother clicking the link, his stuff is gone now. You could probably find his site on the Wayback machine if you really wanted to. Anyway, for those of you who remember the follow on discussion, it wasn't one of thanks for your hard efforts. Several people posted messages of distrust because the package(s) were not available from Google, Illumos or Sun/Oracle, or a site they were familiar with. It was a sad discussion to observe, and I felt bad for the guy who jumped through all the hoops he did get get it working. Jerry ... Hello, I recently ported Chromium 10, the open source base of the current Google Chrome 10 stable browser, to Solaris 5.11 snv_151a. A test build for i386 is available here: http://chromium.hybridsource.org There are a couple issues I'm still ironing out, as written in the notes. Thanks to James Choi for his early patches from last year that got this Solaris port going. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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I think that it would be difficult for me to pose a legitimate argument to your statement, but, for those of you running OpenIndiana on your desktop, or Solaris, or one of the many open Solaris based distro's, how many of you are running a current, or close to current copy of Firefox and/or Thunderbird? None of those are compiled by Mozilla personnel, although they are distributed on the Mozilla site. All of the current *Solaris stuff is in the contrib section, and has been for some time. Jerry On 08/15/12 09:30 PM, Robbie Crash wrote: That IS unfortunate, but sensible. Things are shitty now. You need to not trust people. I don't trust code I either can't see, or in the case of Windows, know that they have more to lose than they have to gain by fucking me over. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
