Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris 2008.05 - feedback of progress
Euan Thoms wrote: > Command shell; Being quite new to *nix, I probably shouldn't comment in this > area. I really like the adoption of bash as default shell, and single quotes > when drag and dropping from nautilus. What about colour coding of output from > ls though? With the command below: # alias ls="ls --color" Then the color should be enabled for the output. Or you can add this to $HOME/.bashrc -Alfred ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Pro/E Wildfire on OpenSolaris 2008.5?
Calum Benson wrote: > On 4 Jun 2008, at 21:10, Aaron Wilson wrote: > > >> Good point. >> >> Is there way to tell if I'm currently using Motif? >> > > Ah, Pro/E Wildifire... that brings back memories, I used to work for > PTC :) (But not on Pro/E...) > > One way to tell if an application depends on Motif would be to run: > > ldd /path/to/application | grep libXm.so > > and see if you get any output; if you do, the app depends on the Motif > library. (Be sure to run the ldd command on the actual application > binary rather than any wrapper script that might be used to launch it, > though.) > > Cheeri, > Calum. > > Here is the output for Wildfire 4: $ ldd /Disk1/Binaries/Pro_Engineer/WildFire_4/sun_solaris_x64/obj/pro | grep libXm.so libXm.so.4 =>/usr/dt/lib/64/libXm.so.4 So it looks like it still uses Motif. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Pro/E Wildfire on OpenSolaris 2008.5?
Aaron Wilson wrote: > Probably the wrong group to ask so I apologize, but has any one tried > running Pro/E Wildfire on OpenSolaris 2008.5? One of our workstations is > having issues, and it sort of looking like reinstalling Solaris 10 might > be the only option left. If I'm gonna do that though, I might as well > install OpenSolaris 2008.5, granted Pro/E will work. > > I hate going over to the PTC site and asking questions. When I deal with > PTC the answer to every question starts with "click on Start" I can > tell them ten times in a row I'm using Solaris x64, and they just can't > comprehend that doesn't mean Windows. > > I have tried Wildfire 3.0 build M070 as recently as build snv_77, > without problems, but I'm sure theres major differences between snv_77 > and OpenSolaris 2008.5. > ___ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org > > Well I've got Pro/E Wildfire 4 running on b89 (not OpenSolaris 2008.5). I should be upgrading to 90 tomorrow. The only issue I have found so far is window focus. If you switch from the task bar it brings the window to the front, but not active. If you switch from the window tab (part of the main toolbar at the top) it changes it to an active window, but still in the background. You have to switch both places to bring up the correct window to focus. This is in gnome. Don't use the Workspace Switcher (if you have more then one pro/e window open), if you do, then switch back to your Pro/E session, the window focus will jump around and always lands on the wrong active window. Other then the window focus issues, basically no problems. I hoping when Adobe releases acroreader, we will now get the pdf capability to X64 then. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris 2008.05 - feedback of progress
Trapped between Linux and Solaris? I am. My *NIX journey began onll less than 2 years ago. I started with Solaris 10 when I saw "Java Desktop System" mentioned, I thought it was a hybrid of the solid and efficient Solaris engine with the beauty of Java. I am a huge fan of Java, and I thought if Sun do OS's as good as they do software design, I'll stick with them. How naive I was, not really a lot to do with Java was it, and it was running on top of an antiquated windowing engine, mono sound.. yuck. I battled on through a steep learning curve and lots of problems with devices and drivers. Whilst happy with my server, rich with quality features I could not make it a desktop (workstation). Enter Linux. I still use Ubuntu day to day, and switch back to opensolaris to see how it is progressing. I'm waiting eagerly for the day when I am as happy with solaris as I am with linux. Here's my feedback so far: Performance is awesome! For some reason the first OpenSolaris release is noticeably quicker than any other Solaris build I have tried to date. It's the first time I have noticed it to be quicker and smoother than linux on my machine. I've from other users that solaris is quicker but not experienced it myself until now. Aside from a few exceptions (like IPS reloading and package searching) It's really quick in the GUI world not just with kernel and shells. Even firefox seems to take less time to start-up and get going than on ubuntu. I'm guessing that this is due to better hardware support and refining of the still relatively newly adopted X and Gnome. Very impressed with the general put-together-ness. I really like the gnome adoption and Nimbus is easily the best all-round theme I seen on any OS. IPS; perhaps the biggest reason I'm holding out for solaris and not fully embracing the linux world, looks really good so far, I really hope it attracts the open source community to do the wonders they've done with linux. Network controllers; much better support, got both my wired and wireless NIC out-the-box and NWAM is great for dynamic IP. Static IP mixed with dynamic is awkward and I've had to switch back to network/physical:default using network administration tool to manage my different locations. Sound: have to install OSS driver and even on full volume it's not very loud at all, sometimes only one speaker works. In addition to driver support, we really need a proper and pwerful unified sound server, I suggest adopting pulse audio as the default sound server. Graphics (X): At a 2D level I'm very happy, screen is crisp, more fonts available, it's pretty quick and surprisingly clean (no spurious flashing and colours when switching between X and command line UI or when adjusting screen res). However my ATI still doesn't support desktop effects. No 3D ;-( Really glad to see compiz in the system menu! Gives me faith that Sun realize what attracts users, at all levels. Can't use it yet cox I has got integrated ATI card (grrr). Printing: We need CUPS, either by default or a really easy switch. It works so well for linux desktops, and one thing that I feel is superior to Windows. Printer hardware support still better in linux. Multimedia: This is one area I was really hoping Indiana would work on, those application menu entries are just teasers, like dangling candy in front of kid. Disappointed with lack of progress here. Command shell; Being quite new to *nix, I probably shouldn't comment in this area. I really like the adoption of bash as default shell, and single quotes when drag and dropping from nautilus. What about colour coding of output from ls though? Conclussion; Very impressed with progress since I tried solaris 10 only 6 months ago. Whilst setting the example in certain areas, Solaris still needs to learn from linux as to what the masses wants. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Pro/E Wildfire on OpenSolaris 2008.5?
On 4 Jun 2008, at 21:10, Aaron Wilson wrote: > Good point. > > Is there way to tell if I'm currently using Motif? Ah, Pro/E Wildifire... that brings back memories, I used to work for PTC :) (But not on Pro/E...) One way to tell if an application depends on Motif would be to run: ldd /path/to/application | grep libXm.so and see if you get any output; if you do, the app depends on the Motif library. (Be sure to run the ldd command on the actual application binary rather than any wrapper script that might be used to launch it, though.) Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]GNOME Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [zfs-discuss] ZFS root finally here in SNV90
On Jun 5, 2008, at 12:05 AM, Rich Teer wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Henrik Johansson wrote: > >> Anyone knows what the deal with /export/home is? I though /home was >> the default home directory in Solaris? > > Nope, /export/home has always been the *physical* location for > users' home directories. They're usually automounted under /home, > though. You are right, it was my own old habit of creating my own physical directory under /home for stand alone machines that got me confused. But filesystem(5) says: "/home Default root of a subtree for user directories." and useradd:s base_dir defaults to /home, where it tries to create a directory if used only with the -m flag. I know this doesn't work when the automounter is available, but it can be disabled or reconfigured. When i think about it /export/home has been created earlier also, with UFS. It's fun how old things can get one confused in a new context ;) Regards Henrik ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] ZFS root finally here in SNV90
> Works great! Even tested to create boot environments > with live > upgrade, fast, easy and elegant! > > Anyone knows what the deal with /export/home is? I > though /home was > the default home directory in Solaris? Home directories are typically automounted via the auto_home map, ideally from /export/home on either the local system or some other system. Not that there's any requirement that the nfs share be called /export/home (although I think some tools for account creation may more or less assume that). This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] ZFS root finally here in SNV90
Works great! Even tested to create boot environments with live upgrade, fast, easy and elegant! Anyone knows what the deal with /export/home is? I though /home was the default home directory in Solaris? ( I put up some screenshots of the installation process for those interested: http://sparcv9.blogspot.com ) Regards Henrik ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Pro/E Wildfire on OpenSolaris 2008.5?
Good point. Is there way to tell if I'm currently using Motif? On the Ultra 20s we are currently running Wildfire on, we're using Solaris 10 with Xorg, not Xsun and running GDM and not CDE. Not that I pretend to understand what Motif is, but from the brief google search I just ran, I'm not sure this issue would pertain to Solaris 10 let alone OpenSolaris. I got the impression it was more for older apps like those designed to run in CDE on Solaris 9. Wildfire 3.0, though as far I know has a minimum installation requirement of Solaris 10. I might have to try it out the hard way :)Thankfully I have a spare hard drive I can swap out in one of the Ultra 20's I ultimately would like to run this on. On a side note, Google is fast. This thread is already indexed :) Aaron Ghee Teo wrote: > I have not come across Pro/E Wildfire, but many of the Pro/E products > uses Motif as their graphical toolkits > which is not on OpenSolaris 2008.5 and this may be the first thing you > want to find out :) > > -Ghee > > Aaron Wilson wrote: >> Probably the wrong group to ask so I apologize, but has any one >> tried running Pro/E Wildfire on OpenSolaris 2008.5? One of our >> workstations is having issues, and it sort of looking like >> reinstalling Solaris 10 might be the only option left. If I'm gonna >> do that though, I might as well install OpenSolaris 2008.5, granted >> Pro/E will work. >> >> I hate going over to the PTC site and asking questions. When I deal >> with PTC the answer to every question starts with "click on >> Start" I can tell them ten times in a row I'm using Solaris x64, >> and they just can't comprehend that doesn't mean Windows. >> >> I have tried Wildfire 3.0 build M070 as recently as build snv_77, >> without problems, but I'm sure theres major differences between >> snv_77 and OpenSolaris 2008.5. >> ___ >> opensolaris-discuss mailing list >> opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org >> > ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Trouble with mount_smbfs of Mac Shares in Open
Even with log level at 1, the error trace might reveal. Please check out. [2008/06/04 15:48:01, 1, pid=1391] /SourceCache/samba/samba-187/samba/source/smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(1087) indiana (192.168.135.128) connect to service hans initially as user hans (uid=501, gid=20) (pid 1391) [2008/06/04 15:48:01, 0, pid=1391] /SourceCache/samba/samba-187/samba/source/lib/fault.c:fault_report(41) === [2008/06/04 15:48:01, 0, pid=1391] /SourceCache/samba/samba-187/samba/source/lib/fault.c:fault_report(42) INTERNAL ERROR: Signal 10 in pid 1391 (3.0.25b-apple) Please read the Trouble-Shooting section of the Samba3-HOWTO [2008/06/04 15:48:01, 0, pid=1391] /SourceCache/samba/samba-187/samba/source/lib/fault.c:fault_report(44) From: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba3-HOWTO.pdf [2008/06/04 15:48:01, 0, pid=1391] /SourceCache/samba/samba-187/samba/source/lib/fault.c:fault_report(45) === [2008/06/04 15:48:01, 0, pid=1391] /SourceCache/samba/samba-187/samba/source/lib/util.c:smb_panic(1650) PANIC (pid 1391): internal error [2008/06/04 15:48:01, 0, pid=1391] /SourceCache/samba/samba-187/samba/source/lib/util.c:log_stack_trace(1761) BACKTRACE: 14 stack frames: #0 0 smbd0x001c0266 log_stack_trace + 40 #1 1 smbd0x001c0398 smb_panic + 123 #2 2 smbd0x001af752 fault_setup + 0 #3 3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91ac909b _sigtramp + 43 #4 4 ??? 0x 0x0 + 4294967295 #5 5 smbd0x001c3378 set_message + 77 #6 6 smbd0x0005348c send_trans2_replies + 559 #7 7 smbd0x00054f90 send_trans2_replies + 7475 #8 8 smbd0x0005e7c2 handle_trans2 + 3878 #9 9 smbd0x00063667 reply_trans2 + 2516 #10 10 smbd0x0007d7c3 get_OutBuffer + 1433 #11 11 smbd0x0007e59f smbd_process + 2644 #12 12 smbd0x00270633 main + 5076 #13 13 smbd0x267a start + 54 [2008/06/04 15:48:01, 0, pid=1391] /SourceCache/samba/samba-187/samba/source/lib/fault.c:dump_core(181) dumping core in /private/var/log/samba/cores/smbd This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Pro/E Wildfire on OpenSolaris 2008.5?
I have not come across Pro/E Wildfire, but many of the Pro/E products uses Motif as their graphical toolkits which is not on OpenSolaris 2008.5 and this may be the first thing you want to find out :) -Ghee Aaron Wilson wrote: > Probably the wrong group to ask so I apologize, but has any one tried > running Pro/E Wildfire on OpenSolaris 2008.5? One of our workstations is > having issues, and it sort of looking like reinstalling Solaris 10 might > be the only option left. If I'm gonna do that though, I might as well > install OpenSolaris 2008.5, granted Pro/E will work. > > I hate going over to the PTC site and asking questions. When I deal with > PTC the answer to every question starts with "click on Start" I can > tell them ten times in a row I'm using Solaris x64, and they just can't > comprehend that doesn't mean Windows. > > I have tried Wildfire 3.0 build M070 as recently as build snv_77, > without problems, but I'm sure theres major differences between snv_77 > and OpenSolaris 2008.5. > ___ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org > ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Trouble with mount_smbfs of Mac Shares in Open
Just tested with Ubuntu (8.04) to mount shared folder of Mac. No problem. As said earlier, no issues for windows either. So it is an isolated bug for open solaris to mount Mac shares. I appreciate your bug report and ongoing update, Rob. Hans This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] how do I install openoffice.org and other sw
Cj writes: > I tried to add a static route to the server but still wont work. Still have > the issue with Mozilla not going out unless I use the proxyserver IP and not > the name. If numeric IP addresses work, but symbolic names don't, then the problem almost certainly isn't routing. Instead, it's name services. Make sure you have name servers configured in /etc/resolv.conf, and you have both "hosts" and "ipnodes" specified properly in /etc/nsswitch.conf. They should look like: hosts: files dns ipnodes: files dns -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] User profile
Is there a particular reason why there is a '.profile' when adding a new user, and not a '.bashrc' like the standard user created during installation? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] how do I install openoffice.org and other sw
I tried to add a static route to the server but still wont work. Still have the issue with Mozilla not going out unless I use the proxyserver IP and not the name. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Pro/E Wildfire on OpenSolaris 2008.5?
Probably the wrong group to ask so I apologize, but has any one tried running Pro/E Wildfire on OpenSolaris 2008.5? One of our workstations is having issues, and it sort of looking like reinstalling Solaris 10 might be the only option left. If I'm gonna do that though, I might as well install OpenSolaris 2008.5, granted Pro/E will work. I hate going over to the PTC site and asking questions. When I deal with PTC the answer to every question starts with "click on Start" I can tell them ten times in a row I'm using Solaris x64, and they just can't comprehend that doesn't mean Windows. I have tried Wildfire 3.0 build M070 as recently as build snv_77, without problems, but I'm sure theres major differences between snv_77 and OpenSolaris 2008.5. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Trouble with mount_smbfs of Mac Shares in Open Solaris 2008.05
Hans/Matt, One more post on this: I got this via back-channel from one of the MacOS CIFS developers, and it sounds like the experiment could help solve this. We've tested a lot with Samba on Linux and Solaris, but not so much with MacOS's Samba. -- ... looking at it I don't see why our server is disconnecting. Really should get them to raise the Samba log level on the Mac and then get us the smbd.log file. Looks like our samba doesn't like something in your query file system attributes message. -- Rob T ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Trouble with mount_smbfs of Mac Shares in Open Solaris 2008.05
Matt Cowger wrote: > I'm on the same kernel and OS version. Thanks, Matt! RT ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Trouble with mount_smbfs of Mac Shares in Open Solaris 2008.05
Hans wrote: > Thanks, Rob. > > I am running Mac OS X Version 10.5.3 (latest for now). > > uname -a > Darwin MacPro.local 9.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.3.0: Fri May 23 00:49:16 > PDT 2008; root:xnu-1228.5.18~1/RELEASE_I386 i386 Thanks, Hans! I'll update the bug. RT ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Trouble with mount_smbfs of Mac Shares in Open Solaris 2008.05
I'm on the same kernel and OS version. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Nexenta Hackathon in Progress - Status
Hi, A lot of fun these days and a lot of achievements! June's Hackathon-in-progress status: * Debian tools such as: devscripts, dpkg, apt, debarchiver, etc all ported * compiled bunch of NCP 2.0 packages (gcc prerequisites) * newisys-nas.stanford.edu machine prepared. It is 4-core 2.6GHz Opteron with 8GB RAM * gcc-4.2 and Hardy's binutils tool-chain is available NOW * rebuild of Hardy with new tool chain - pass #1 complete * started work on very first NCP 2.0 Alpha1 ISO * preparation to second Hardy rebuild in progress Outstanding issues: --- * Not all uploaded packages in Nexenta Hardy repository could be built out of source + diff * Many packages still missing - but we are making good progress on this one * Xorg is not yet uploaded * Firefox is not yet uploaded * Auto Builder work not yet started - with ZFS-powered Auto Builder in place we are planning to quickly port up to 10,000+ Ubuntu/Hardy packages in fully automatic way Since we have one more build machine - SSH access for developers much easier to grant - apply now at #nexenta on freenode IRC More information here: http://www.nexenta.org/os/Hackathon --- The Nexenta Team ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris 2008.05 cannot mount a shared CIFS
this thread is opened by email responses. we can close this thread, for the same has been opened by login user. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Trouble with mount_smbfs of Mac Shares in Open Solaris 2008.05
Thanks, Rob. I am running Mac OS X Version 10.5.3 (latest for now). uname -a Darwin MacPro.local 9.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.3.0: Fri May 23 00:49:16 PDT 2008; root:xnu-1228.5.18~1/RELEASE_I386 i386 Hans This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [osol-announce] System Outage Today (06/04 - 7-9am PDT )
System outage is complete. Thank you for your patience. Derek Derek Cicero wrote: > An OpenSolaris.org system upgrade will be taking place today from 7-9 am > PDT. > > Hopefully the actual downtime will only be 20-30 minutes. > > Zone owners should be unaffected by this outage. > > Derek > -- Derek Cicero Program Manager Solaris Kernel Group, Software Division ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] System Outage Today (06/04 - 7-9am PDT )
An OpenSolaris.org system upgrade will be taking place today from 7-9 am PDT. Hopefully the actual downtime will only be 20-30 minutes. Zone owners should be unaffected by this outage. Derek -- Derek Cicero Program Manager Solaris Kernel Group, Software Division ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] no shutdown on Asus F3t laptop
Similar problem with Shutdown. I recently installed opensolaris only 2 days back. I did not have any problem when I restarted the PC. But when I shutdown (which I have done 2 times in the past two days) the screen just hangs with few messages on the console. The last message reads (not exact words): Syncing filesystem... [done] There is no hard drive access and the fan keeps running fast. I am having a Dell Dimension 3000 PC that has an Intel Pentium 4 with HT. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Trouble with mount_smbfs of Mac Shares in Open Solaris 2008.05
Matt Cowger wrote: > I can confirm the same behavior in my network when sharing from my mac to my > opensolaris 2008.05 host. > > I've uploaded a copy of the dump in snoop format here: > http://www.cowger.us/SMBfail.dmp Got it - thanks! There's enough information here to file a bug, so I filed 6710493 to track this. Matt and Hans, what version of MacOS are you running? > mount -F smbfs //[EMAIL PROTECTED]/opt /mnt > df -k > umount /mnt > > 192.168.0.99 is the mac, 111 is the solaris host. > > It looks like the Mac ACKs a particular packet, and then sends a FIN/ACK for > the session, but the solaris host sends another packet, and gets a RST back > from the Mac. I dont know enough about the SMB protocol to say who's bug > that is. A FIN/ACK means the Mac tore down the connection, but that could be because we sent them something that they haven't seen before :-) We'll get the MacOS guys engaged, too. Rob T ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] "Private" documentation and an open source
> "Richard L. Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Some things aren't documented because the end user > isn't supposed to > > fool with them, or at any rate it may not be > supported if they do; or the > > developers wish to reserve the right to change or > remove them without > > In any case, software with undocumented features is > not ISO-9000 compliant ;-) Without wading through the whole standard (which probably isn't free as in beer), I'm not sure where you got that. I was just looking at a summary (?) at http://www.praxiom.com/iso-9000-3.htm, and the one thing I saw that might fit your description is called "design output documents". I don't think that means all features have to appear in end-user documentation (like man pages). A developer or vendor only feature for which the vendor holds documentation (and accepts responsibility for its existence even if not for customers being informed of it or using it) is one thing; a feature undocumented even in that sense might well be viewed with legitimate suspicion as a potential "back door" (although there are also harmless if sometimes embarassing "easter eggs", but if they weren't embarassing or harmful but did appear in internal documentation, I don't see that they'd be any different than implementation-private features - sometimes in games and such, they're just harmless publicity). In the case of non-open software, that wouldn't necessarily mean such vendor-private features were open for public review; but insofar as OpenSolaris is indeed open (i.e. modulo the few remaining closed-bins), that's not an issue here, or wouldn't be if more "design output" documentation were available in addition to the source code. I'm not a lawyer, of course... This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] "Private" documentation and an open source
[...] > And, for that purpose alone, I'd recommend finding a > way to make as > many detailed design documents public and accessible > as possible. > > That's where this sort of documentation belongs -- in > its proper > context as an implementation detail of the system, > and not in a man > page where it will (inevitably) be confused with a > supported feature, > and hurt someone. Well, I know I'd certainly like to see a history of vfs/vnode changes from Solaris 7 forward, since the last port of FiST (www.filesystems.org) to Solaris was to Solaris 7. I know there were some changes for 8 (for forced unmount?), but that's as much as I've really paid attention to. I keep hoping that with such a document, the FiST author might be interested in keeping one of his students busy updating the port, which would IMO be rather cool to have. Filesystems are perhaps one of those cases of something that's not an interface in the formal sense (or at least certainly not a public one), but just cries out to be...I seem to recall some talk that it might be under consideration to eventually make it into something versioned that could be made into a public interface. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
