[osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
And since you ENVISION Solaris to be an enterprise OS and Sun should pay its engineers to focus things more IMPORTANT, why do you have gripes with garbled date format string in JDS running in zh_CN locale? Ivan. Sorry I didn't mean to ignore your question. There is a long story. To make it short, Honolulu city councilman Rod Tam, who chairs the business committee, and I have been running a project (both on pro bono basis) to try to establish Hawaii as a Linux-related business/culture center serving the Asia-Pacific region. We believe the unique multi-cultural feature of Hawaii, our geographic location, as well as the Chinese American ethnicity of both of us, should give us an advantage. As part of our effort we have set up a Linux demo in case any foreign (mainly from China) dignatory shows an interest. It turned out that no one (zero) from China is interested in Linux (I promise I will get to this subject at a later time). Last year, I began putting together an OpenSolaris demo. As I mentioned in a separate post, I seemed to be able to attract their attention. I have also tried to do a show and tell whenever I am in China and/or Taiwan. Garbled date format string in JDS running in zh_CN locale of course has no effect on how jobs get done. But for the purpose of doing demonstrations, it will prohibitively put our city ( Sun) in shame. It is unimportant from an engineer's point of view, but critically important from ours. Silly as it sounds, that's the way life is. As of Build 65, this garbled date format string problem in Chinese locales has been solved. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
But the question of multimedia codecs has already been answered, and the answer isn't the command line interface. The real answer is include by default all the desirable codecs you can, and then make it easy to install any leftovers from your app installation GUI. That standard has recently been set by Ubuntu and a handful of other Linux distros. You're exactly right. Solaris also has a similar approach, it's provided by blastwave.org. Though there is no GUI installer yet. So What's your problem then? Wayne? One post earlier you think one-line CLI command is PERFECT. Now you feel EXACTLY RIGHT about including by default all the desirable codec. And since you ENVISION Solaris to be an enterprise OS and Sun should pay its engineers to focus things more IMPORTANT, why do you have gripes with garbled date format string in JDS running in zh_CN locale? By the way, in case you haven't noticed that blastwave is NOT a default component in Solaris, not to mention SX or other OpenSolaris.org based distros. And last time I checked, Blastwave does not provide packages for SunOS 5.11, the install script checks agains 5.8, 5.9 and 5.10, and blastwave choose to carry independent GNOME libraries to minimize platform dependency, however, in the case of neveda codebase, these libraries become redundant. I don't know about YOU, but I've been with Solaris since 2.5.1, earlier it's SunOS 4.1.3, and using it as my desktop since Solaris 2.6, I still remember old days to build X.Org or XFree86 to replace XSun for white brand PC in school lab. SX indeed improves hugely, it could still be better, or you don't think so? Before you say nothing can be easier than one-line command, why don't you consider Solaris could provide better, more integrated user experience? Ivan. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
I saw this comment below and thought I would respond: The reason Blastwave has its own GNOME binary set was due to historical events. Blastwave was the forerunner of building newer versions of GNOME for Solaris before OpenSolaris existed. No other major ISV was doing this for Sun Solaris on a consistent basis. Also, common practice of good ISVs is to never modify the libraries provided by the OS vendor. You either use what they give you or build your own set if newer than the existing set. If you look carefully at the Blastwave GNOME binary set, we usually have newer STABLE versions than ANY official release of Sun JDS. We also have a test policy in place to test those binaries before submission to the unstable branch. So you usually get some pre-tested patches with maintainer support (disclaimer: we are not perfect!). Also, Blastwave supports OFFICIALLY and FULLY SUPPORTED released versions of Sun Solaris. Technically, there is no Solaris 5.11 officially released (i.e. GA/RR/non-beta/alpha) yet but we provided limited support. If you have further questions, please talk to the Blastwave staff members. There is a lot more going on than you realize. Ken And last time I checked, Blastwave does not provide packages for SunOS 5.11, the install script checks agains 5.8, 5.9 and 5.10, and blastwave choose to carry independent GNOME libraries to minimize platform dependency, however, in the case of neveda codebase, these libraries become redundant. (Ivan) ___ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
W. Wayne Liauh wrote: Before we got carried away, I want to comment on the fonts of SXCE 65. I believe this is the first time that anti-alias fonts are used in Solaris. Nope - anti-aliased fonts have been used since the GNOME 2.6 first integrated to Solaris 10 before the initial S10 release. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
6562225 NVIDIA performance on AGP systems can be terrible on b65 (Since the nvidia drivers are closed source, the bug is not visible on bugs.opensolaris.org - you can tell if it affects you by checking dmesg/syslog for a nvidia driver error such as: vidia: [ID 702911 kern.notice] NOTICE: NVRM: nv_devmap: invalid mmap(): 0x0010 @ 0xf000 ) -- -Alan Coopersmith- - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System em Engineering 1. I did see this error message, but did not notice any problem (the installed machine has an nVidia FX card). I have visited a couple of heavy graphic sites and played with MPlayer. Pretty normal. 2. SX now does not configure NIC cards during installation, but it includes a graphic tool (Administration - Network) which makes this task greatly simplified. (I like this approach.) I checked both boxes: (1) enable this connection and (2) activate on boot. However, I was unable to activate it with this graphic tool, and I had to reboot the machine to activate the NIC card. What did I do wrong? 3. For desktop users, try Moinak's suggestions if you think the performance can be improved: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=3 1983tstart=0 His suggestion involves the following three actions/commands: svcadm disable basicreg pkgrm SUNWupdatemgru pkgrm SUNWbrg To install Flash Player 9, following this thread: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=2 6441tstart=250 Move to the end of that thread and copy the two downloaded and unpacked files as mentioned therein to the appropriate holder. 5. Multimedia: Just enter the following command (as root) to install the [EMAIL PROTECTED] multimedia packages put together by Alvaro Lopez Ortega: /usr/sfw/bin/wget -O - http://opensolaris.es/codec-pack.sh | bash as per: http://blogs.sun.com/alvaro/entry/opensolaris_codec_pa ck_updated Actually all the actions other than mplayer codec pack should be integrated in SX, I mean since there is the technology and there isn't legal issue, asking extra labor is not adopter friendly whatsoever. Cheers, Ivan. and, all things considered, you will have a system (a Solaris desktop) that is, at least in certain aspects, better than any Linux distro or even Vista. Of course I am too biased ( thus too blind) to merit any credibility. But it looks that we are getting unbelievably close to something (a reference Solaris distro) that will make all of us proud. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
Actually all the actions other than mplayer codec pack should be integrated in SX, I mean since there is the technology and there isn't legal issue, asking extra labor is not adopter friendly whatsoever. Cheers, Ivan. 1. I think the way it is structured is perfect (what else could be easier than simply executing a one-line command?). 2. However, I agree with what UNIX admin suggested, the mplayer and its associated codec packages probably should have been installed in /opt/sfe or something to that effect. This would help system administration, and, more importantly, portability. 3. Anyone knows how to install mplayer plugin for Firefox? Thanks. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
1. I think the way it is structured is perfect (what else could be easier than simply executing a one-line command?). Not executing a one-line command is far easier :) This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
1. I think the way it is structured is perfect (what else could be easier than simply executing a one-line command?). Not executing a one-line command is far easier :) Of course theoretically someone can always negotiate a set of licenses to include, respectively, mplayer and a myriad of associated codecs into the distro. But I envision Solaris to be an enterprise OS, there are definitely other much more important things for Sun's developers to spend their time mind on. In Linux, you have to first add an appropriate repository, then execute an apt-get, yum, yast, or whathaveyou, command to install mplayer. This is much easier said than done. The one-line command is the next best thing. That said, I really would like to see the multimedia packages installed in /opt, so I can move them around. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
Optional files should definitely be stored exclusively with optional files. But the question of multimedia codecs has already been answered, and the answer isn't the command line interface. The real answer is include by default all the desirable codecs you can, and then make it easy to install any leftovers from your app installation GUI. That standard has recently been set by Ubuntu and a handful of other Linux distros. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
But the question of multimedia codecs has already been answered, and the answer isn't the command line interface. The real answer is include by default all the desirable codecs you can, and then make it easy to install any leftovers from your app installation GUI. That standard has recently been set by Ubuntu and a handful of other Linux distros. You're exactly right. Solaris also has a similar approach, it's provided by blastwave.org. Though there is no GUI installer yet. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
6562225 NVIDIA performance on AGP systems can be terrible on b65 (Since the nvidia drivers are closed source, the bug is not visible on bugs.opensolaris.org - you can tell if it affects you by checking dmesg/syslog for a nvidia driver error such as: vidia: [ID 702911 kern.notice] NOTICE: NVRM: nv_devmap: invalid mmap(): 0x0010 @ 0xf000 ) -- -Alan Coopersmith- - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System em Engineering 1. I did see this error message, but did not notice any problem (the installed machine has an nVidia FX card). I have visited a couple of heavy graphic sites and played with MPlayer. Pretty normal. 2. SX now does not configure NIC cards during installation, but it includes a graphic tool (Administration - Network) which makes this task greatly simplified. (I like this approach.) I checked both boxes: (1) enable this connection and (2) activate on boot. However, I was unable to activate it with this graphic tool, and I had to reboot the machine to activate the NIC card. What did I do wrong? 3. For desktop users, try Moinak's suggestions if you think the performance can be improved: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=31983tstart=0 His suggestion involves the following three actions/commands: svcadm disable basicreg pkgrm SUNWupdatemgru pkgrm SUNWbrg 4. To install Flash Player 9, following this thread: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=26441tstart=250 Move to the end of that thread and copy the two downloaded and unpacked files as mentioned therein to the appropriate holder. 5. Multimedia: Just enter the following command (as root) to install the [EMAIL PROTECTED] multimedia packages put together by Alvaro Lopez Ortega: /usr/sfw/bin/wget -O - http://opensolaris.es/codec-pack.sh | bash as per: http://blogs.sun.com/alvaro/entry/opensolaris_codec_pack_updated and, all things considered, you will have a system (a Solaris desktop) that is, at least in certain aspects, better than any Linux distro or even Vista. Of course I am too biased ( thus too blind) to merit any credibility. But it looks that we are getting unbelievably close to something (a reference Solaris distro) that will make all of us proud. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
SX now does not configure NIC cards during installation It does it you don't choose Solaris Express Developer Edition, but one of the other options from the menu. I believe if you choose SXDE it configures your NICs to (try to) use DHCP. Cheers Andrew. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
3. For desktop users, try Moinak's suggestions if you think the performance can be improved: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=3 1983tstart=0 His suggestion involves the following three actions/commands: svcadm disable basicreg pkgrm SUNWupdatemgru pkgrm SUNWbrg At home, my machine is connected to a cable modem via a so-called broadband router I am always getting a pair of the following annoying but apparently harmless messages during boot: . . . my unqualified hostname (unknown), sleeping for retry . . . Not knowing what the heck is going and unable to remove them, I resorted to the following expedient: svcadm disable sendmail I know I shouldn't do this, but any suggestions? Thanks. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
W. Wayne Liauh wrote: At home, my machine is connected to a cable modem via a so-called broadband router I am always getting a pair of the following annoying but apparently harmless messages during boot: . . . my unqualified hostname (unknown), sleeping for retry . . . Try either: 1) Make sure your IP address translates to a fully qualified domain name in DNS or NIS. However this is going to be difficult for most home users with NAT-based IP addresses, since it my require running a local DNS server. You probably have NAT. Which leaves... 2) In /etc/hosts, list both the unqualified *and* FQDN for the local host. E.g.: 192.168.1.99hostnamehostname.domain.com loghost Option 2 might be a challenge if you're using DHCP, however. Not knowing what the heck is going and unable to remove them, I resorted to the following expedient: svcadm disable sendmail Actually, unless sendmail has a config that works at least for sending mail to local usernames, it shouldn't necessarily be enabled. And I can't comment on whether the Solaris default is likely to work in your case since I use a different manual config. Hugh. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
Please find the links to SXCE Build 65 at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/. - Derek -- Derek Cicero Program Manager Solaris Kernel Group, Software Division ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Wow, I am getting 525 KB/s. Sun now really means business (to spread OpenSolaris)? Look forward to test GNOME 2.18 ( a non-garbled GNOME desktop on zh_CN locale)! This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: Please find the links to SXCE Build 65 at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/. - Derek Wow, I am getting 525 KB/s. Sun now really means business (to spread OpenSolaris)? Oh - so you're the one sucking up *all* the bandwidth! :) Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
Wow, I am getting 525 KB/s. Sun now really means business (to spread OpenSolaris)? Look forward to testing GNOME 2.18 ( a non-garbled GNOME desktop on zh_CN locale)! Sorry for the non-sense. But not too long ago, the download speed was artificially capped at 100 (then increased to 200) KB/s. Also, version 2 of the java-based Sun's Download Manager works really well. Thanks a whole bunch. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
