Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
well only issues that are not covered under some other mailist and herefore the offending party needs to be advised they have committed an offense. An offense? What is this, a prison camp? Is there an offense code, pardon, spec, too? So much for friendly community. This whole policing opensolaris: discuss is getting out of hand. Really. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
UNIX admin wrote: well only issues that are not covered under some other mailist and herefore the offending party needs to be advised they have committed an offense. An offense? What is this, a prison camp? Is there an offense code, pardon, spec, too? So much for friendly community. This whole policing opensolaris: discuss is getting out of hand. Really. Ummm, he was joking. -- Alan Burlison -- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
well only issues that are not covered under some other mailist and herefore the offending party needs to be advised they have committed an offense. An offense? What is this, a prison camp? Is there an offense code, pardon, spec, too? So much for friendly community. This whole policing opensolaris: discuss is getting out of hand. Really. that was intended to be a joke guess I left out the :-P dc ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
Ummm, he was joking. Can't say that I found it funny. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
UNIX admin wrote: Ummm, he was joking. Can't say that I found it funny. Oh, please - lighten up! :-) -- Alan Burlison -- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
One thing that did jar me the wrong way were the silly childish looking images that were selected for the installed. I have no clue way anyone would place images of icecream and a yellow construction roller into an installer for Solaris. In a company of vast technology that creates such wonders as the new T2 I am sure that pictures of the T2 die would be far more interesting to the target audience. Anything other than .. icecream. i haven't seen the pics, but my guess is that they're what the developers had to hand rather than the likely final product. there's probably also a chance that the images reflect the internal codename for the work This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
Peter Lees wrote: i haven't seen the pics, but my guess is that they're what the developers had to hand rather than the likely final product. Have you seen www.sun.com in the last two years? Random photos, sometimes claiming to show the global impact of technology, other times inexplicable, are simply Sun's current graphical design patten. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
During the install of Developer's install: I miss the opportunity to layout filesystems within my Solaris 2 partition. After I have chosen how I want to partition my harddisk I get some inqueries regarding Location, Timezone, root password etc. after which the installer just starts deploying the packages. You have to ask Dave Miner about it. He wrote a while ago that the installer lacks the capability to choose the filesystem layout yet, it will just go with the default. I wonder what it would take to change that crazy small root, the rest for /export/home/ layout? I mean, what good is a default when it has to be modified as a rule and not an exception? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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UNIX admin wrote: I wonder what it would take to change that crazy small root, the rest for /export/home/ layout? Did you try the new installer in build 70? It just changed the default layout. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
On 8/20/07, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you try the new installer in build 70? It just changed the default layout. Yes, to the point it breaks on any big disk when you use an x86 platform. I tried a 200GB ATA disk, and it told me the '/' slice extended beyond the first 1024 cylinders of my HBA. So I was forced to use the old installer, which funny enough happely created a 200GB '/' partition, created just to test if it'd work. Big (read 400GB) SATA disks seem to be a problem on its own, neither the old or the new installer allow me to install a '/' partition of any size. Even when I create a '/' partition of 5120MB (which is 660 cylinders acording to the old installer) it tells me the '/' partition extends beyond the first 1024 cylinders. These error messages are just stupid in my opinion. Cause lo and behold my 'format' output after installing SXCE70 on a 200GB ata disk with a 15GB Part TagFlag Cylinders SizeBlocks 0 rootwm2323 - 4235 14.65GB(1913/0/0) 30732345 1 swapwu 3 - 10478.01GB(1045/0/0) 16787925 2 backupwm 0 - 30511 233.73GB(30512/0/0) 490175280 3varwm1048 - 23229.77GB(1275/0/0) 20482875 4 unassignedwm4236 - 8060 29.30GB(3825/0/0) 61448625 5 unassignedwm8061 - 30511 171.98GB(22451/0/0) 360675315 6 unassignedwm 00 (0/0/0) 0 7 unassignedwm 00 (0/0/0) 0 8 bootwu 0 - 07.84MB(1/0/0) 16065 9 alternateswu 1 - 2 15.69MB(2/0/0) 32130 As you can see, the installer happely installs my root partition way beyond the 1024th cylinder.. Patrick / WickedWicky ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
I wonder what it would take to change that crazy small root, the rest for /export/home/ layout? I mean, what good is a default when it has to be modified as a rule and not an exception? I think we need to find that how should the file system layout be designed? thread and stick you in it :) I never did see a final report on what+why the default zfs root setup will look the way it will look. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
MC wrote: I wonder what it would take to change that crazy small root, the rest for /export/home/ layout? I mean, what good is a default when it has to be modified as a rule and not an exception? I think we need to find that how should the file system layout be designed? thread and stick you in it :) I never did see a final report on what+why the default zfs root setup will look the way it will look. All matters relating to the new installer and layout have been and are discussed on the caiman-discuss list, mostly copied to the install-discuss list. I suggest people with issues take them to those lists rather than air them here. Ian ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
Ian Collins wrote: MC wrote: I wonder what it would take to change that crazy small root, the rest for /export/home/ layout? I mean, what good is a default when it has to be modified as a rule and not an exception? I think we need to find that how should the file system layout be designed? thread and stick you in it :) I never did see a final report on what+why the default zfs root setup will look the way it will look. All matters relating to the new installer and layout have been and are discussed on the caiman-discuss list, mostly copied to the install-discuss list. Sorry, I forgot to check my filters, that should have been caiman-discuss only. Ian ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Sorry, I forgot to check my filters, that should have been caiman-discuss only. I actually filed a bug yesterday :) Patrick ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
On Sun, 2007-08-19 at 23:57 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: UNIX admin wrote: I wonder what it would take to change that crazy small root, the rest for /export/home/ layout? Did you try the new installer in build 70? It just changed the default layout. Nope, same thing, a live upgrade partition (why?! I don't even use it), a 9.5gig / partition and the rest is /export/home/ - why not have a 'customise' button and allow people to tweak it the way they want it. Matthew ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: On Sun, 2007-08-19 at 23:57 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: UNIX admin wrote: I wonder what it would take to change that crazy small root, the rest for /export/home/ layout? Did you try the new installer in build 70? It just changed the default layout. Nope, same thing, a live upgrade partition (why?! I don't even use it), Those who know it, use it. a 9.5gig / partition and the rest is /export/home/ - why not have a 'customise' button and allow people to tweak it the way they want it. If you check the archives on the caiman-discuss list, you will see why these values were chosen. Don't forget this is just the first cut. Ian ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
I suggest people with issues take them to those lists rather than air them here. Super. So: - this is not a Solaris helpdesk - Solaris 10 is not to be discussed here - issues with OpenSolaris are not to be discussed here What IS to be discussed on openSolaris-discuss then? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
All matters relating to the new installer and layout have been and are discussed on the caiman-discuss list, mostly copied to the install-discuss list. I suggest people with issues take them to those lists rather than air them here. FYI, I've already (long before you wrote this response) started a topic on the default FS layout on install: discuss. In spite of that, I still don't see why such a topic should NOT be discussed on opensolaris general discussion. It's about OpenSolaris, and it concerns OpenSolaris. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, UNIX admin wrote: I suggest people with issues take them to those lists rather than air them here. Super. So: - this is not a Solaris helpdesk - Solaris 10 is not to be discussed here - issues with OpenSolaris are not to be discussed here What IS to be discussed on openSolaris-discuss then? Discussions on what (not) to discuss seem always welcome. That's why the list is -discuss. That's what it is about :) (couldn't resist) FrankH. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, UNIX admin wrote: I suggest people with issues take them to those lists rather than air them here. Super. So: - this is not a Solaris helpdesk right. - Solaris 10 is not to be discussed here right. - issues with OpenSolaris are not to be discussed here well only issues that are not covered under some other mailist and therefore the offending party needs to be advised they have committed an offense. What IS to be discussed on openSolaris-discuss then? Discussions on what (not) to discuss seem always welcome. That's why the list is -discuss. That's what it is about :) I think we should discuss VMware Workstation 6.0.0 and the fact that Solaris 10 is fully supported with it now. The question that comes to mind is can we expect that snv_70b ( when it gets released on Thursday? ) will also run smoothly within VMware. If so .. then I'll just be as happy as a lark because I can create and destroy things, brik like crazy, mess with code etc etc . And I will always have a machine snapshot to roll back on. On the other hand we can discuss how to make great coffee. That will probably be on topic here. Dennis ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
UNIX admin wrote: All matters relating to the new installer and layout have been and are discussed on the caiman-discuss list, mostly copied to the install-discuss list. I suggest people with issues take them to those lists rather than air them here. FYI, I've already (long before you wrote this response) started a topic on the default FS layout on install: discuss. In spite of that, I still don't see why such a topic should NOT be discussed on opensolaris general discussion. It's about OpenSolaris, and it concerns OpenSolaris. You can have the discussion here if that's what floats your boat, but you can also be certain that most of the people you'd like to have the discussion with will *not* be participating in it because they've got better things to do than wade through the general morass of other mis-directed or otherwise pointless discussions which occur here, so you're just barely beyond talking to yourself in terms of effecting change. If you want to have a discussion about installation, then you'll do a lot better to have it on install-discuss (or caiman-discuss, if it's specific to the behavior of the new installer). Dave ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
On 8/20/07, Dave Miner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can have the discussion here if that's what floats your boat, but you can also be certain that most of the people you'd like to have the discussion with will *not* be participating in it because they've got better things to do than wade through the general morass of other mis-directed or otherwise pointless discussions which occur here, so you're just barely beyond talking to yourself in terms of effecting change. If you want to have a discussion about installation, then you'll do a lot better to have it on install-discuss (or caiman-discuss, if it's specific to the behavior of the new installer). Ellows, Just my two cents in this whole what to discuss where thread which i see re-occuring 3 times every week (and it gets tiresome to be honest). Someone put a wonderfull metaphore last week opensolaris-discuss is like a square where you can meet and have a talk, something like that. And i agree with this. This means, in my opinion, that anyone should be able to shout something which might interest someone else reading this list, with the restriction that it's opensolaris related. Then, when you want to discuss something in depth which might not interest everybody but a selective group, in real life (yes it exists) you'd go to a pub, to a club house, to someone's home, whatever. In this case you'd go to a specific mailing list handling the matter you want to discuss. In short: opensolaris-discuss should be used and accepted for any input regarding opensolaris, for specific or in depth discussions you may want to and should be able to redirect users NICELY and POLITELY to an appropiate list without making them feel unwanted. Seriously, this is getting silly. Patrick ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
Hey all, I just downloaded the DVD and CD version of SXCE70 and this is my experience so far: First of all, the new installer looks flashy and neat. I like the looks :D Then some things I bumped into during the installation. CD media: - Grub presents you the option to use the Developer's install or the normal installer. The Developers install is the default, but, Developer''s install is only available for DVD media, not CD media and it will give you an appropiate error message when trying to select the Developer's install anyway. During the install of Developer's install: I miss the opportunity to layout filesystems within my Solaris 2 partition. After I have chosen how I want to partition my harddisk I get some inqueries regarding Location, Timezone, root password etc. after which the installer just starts deploying the packages. I am pretty sure I was able to layout filesystems with SXDE 68 and 69. The installer for the normal installation is still the java/CDE installer, is this correct? This is what I actually use for the moment since it does allow me to lay out file systems.. I hope this info is usefull, Patrick / WickedWicky ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE 70's installer and laying out file systems
Hey all, I just downloaded the DVD and CD version of SXCE70 and this is my experience so far: First of all, the new installer looks flashy and neat. I like the looks I think it is a giant leap in the right direction but I really do hope that the old text based console installer is still in there as per usual. Also, I think that many corporations have well established install scripts and installation SOP procedures. I hope those will still be valid, for a while at least. Then some things I bumped into during the installation. CD media: - Grub presents you the option to use the Developer's install or the normal installer. The Developers install is the default, but, Developer''s install is only available for DVD media, not CD media and it will give you an appropiate error message when trying to select the Developer's install anyway. I only tried the DVD media, thus far. I'll wait until build 70b is released to install into a Sparc based server. During the install of Developer's install: I miss the opportunity to layout filesystems yes, that was a glaring omission. I looked for some button that said details or advanced but there was no such path to follow. within my Solaris 2 partition. After I have chosen how I want to partition my harddisk I get some inqueries regarding Location, Timezone, root password etc. after which the installer just starts deploying the packages. Indeed, however there were some other new items that don't grant the user sufficient flexibility. I was asked about a new user but there was no way to specify a new group, new project, gid and uid so therefore I see no reason to enter my own user information. I keep the same uid/gid from system to system consistent. Also, I do not know if it is possible to simply skip that step entirely. So I ended up created some bogus user named foodoo. A simply userdel -r foodoo will fix this after first boot. I am pretty sure I was able to layout filesystems with SXDE 68 and 69. I seem to recall the same. I have those DVD's here also and I may just give it a try ... again. The installer for the normal installation is still the java/CDE installer, is this correct? This is what I actually use for the moment since it does allow me to lay out file systems.. I booted the snv_70 DVD and selected the other install option. These are just options via GRUB anyways but .. they lead to different places. The CDE installed is indeed still there. One thing that did jar me the wrong way were the silly childish looking images that were selected for the installed. I have no clue way anyone would place images of icecream and a yellow construction roller into an installer for Solaris. In a company of vast technology that creates such wonders as the new T2 I am sure that pictures of the T2 die would be far more interesting to the target audience. Anything other than .. icecream. That is my honest feedback. Dennis ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
