Re: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-09-11 Thread Viktor Dukhovni



> On Sep 11, 2018, at 9:58 AM, The Doctor  wrote:
> 
> So Openssh, NTPd, MOd_pagespeed have to adopt OPEnssl 1.1X API
> in order to use TLS 1.3 .

OpenSSH does not use TLS or libssl, so does not need that OpenSSL
1.1.x feature.  It could still benefit from libcrypto algorithm
improvements that result in more constant behaviour and/or other
improvements.  While OpenBSD may be slow to port to OpenSSL 1.1.x,
porting OpenSSH to 1.1.x is not difficult.  Christos Zoulas has
done that for NetBSD, the latest HPN patches port OpenSSH to
OpenSSL 1.1.0 [ I used the HPN patches for OpenSSH 7.7p1 as a
starting point, and have a clean build of OpenSSH 7.8p1 with
OpenSSL 1.1.x after some minor improvements. ]

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Re: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-09-11 Thread Matt Caswell



On 11/09/18 15:12, Perrow, Graeme wrote:
> AFAIK 1.1.1 does not support the FIPS module, which means that those of us 
> who require FIPS must stay on 1.0.2. Any ETA on when FIPS support might be 
> added?

TBD. Likely to be next year (before the EOL of 1.0.2) IMO. Our
development focus is now shifting from implementing TLSv1.3 to
implementing the new FIPS module.

Matt


> 
> Graeme
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: openssl-users  On Behalf Of Matt 
> Caswell
> Sent: September 11, 2018 4:31 AM
> To: openssl-users@openssl.org
> Subject: Re: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/09/18 09:05, Dr. Matthias St. Pierre wrote:
>>> Von: openssl-users  Im Auftrag von The 
>>> Doctor
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 08:49
>>> An: openssl-users@openssl.org; openssl-...@openssl.org
>>> Betreff: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3
>>>
>>> Will that combination occur?
>>
>> Support for TLS 1.3 is a new feature in OpenSSL 1.1.1 which will be released 
>> today.
>> OpenSSL 1.0.2 is an LTS release which will only receive security updates and 
>> no new
>> features.
> 
> Strictly speaking 1.0.2 will receive bug fixes and security fixes until
> the end of this year. From the end of this year until the end of 2019 it
> will receive security fixes only. In any case it will receive no new
> features (including TLSv1.3).
> 
> From the release of 1.1.1 (today), 1.1.0 will receive security fixes
> only for one year.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> HTH,
>> Matthias
>>
>> See also
>> https://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/TLS1.3
>> https://www.openssl.org/policies/releasestrat.html
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-09-11 Thread Perrow, Graeme
AFAIK 1.1.1 does not support the FIPS module, which means that those of us who 
require FIPS must stay on 1.0.2. Any ETA on when FIPS support might be added?

Graeme

-Original Message-
From: openssl-users  On Behalf Of Matt 
Caswell
Sent: September 11, 2018 4:31 AM
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: Re: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3



On 11/09/18 09:05, Dr. Matthias St. Pierre wrote:
>> Von: openssl-users  Im Auftrag von The 
>> Doctor
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 08:49
>> An: openssl-users@openssl.org; openssl-...@openssl.org
>> Betreff: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3
>>
>> Will that combination occur?
> 
> Support for TLS 1.3 is a new feature in OpenSSL 1.1.1 which will be released 
> today.
> OpenSSL 1.0.2 is an LTS release which will only receive security updates and 
> no new
> features.

Strictly speaking 1.0.2 will receive bug fixes and security fixes until
the end of this year. From the end of this year until the end of 2019 it
will receive security fixes only. In any case it will receive no new
features (including TLSv1.3).

>From the release of 1.1.1 (today), 1.1.0 will receive security fixes
only for one year.

Matt



> 
> HTH,
> Matthias
> 
> See also
> https://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/TLS1.3
> https://www.openssl.org/policies/releasestrat.html
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-09-11 Thread The Doctor
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 03:01:38PM +0100, Matt Caswell wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/09/18 14:58, The Doctor wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 09:31:23AM +0100, Matt Caswell wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/09/18 09:05, Dr. Matthias St. Pierre wrote:
> >>>> Von: openssl-users  Im Auftrag von 
> >>>> The Doctor
> >>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 08:49
> >>>> An: openssl-users@openssl.org; openssl-...@openssl.org
> >>>> Betreff: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3
> >>>>
> >>>> Will that combination occur?
> >>>
> >>> Support for TLS 1.3 is a new feature in OpenSSL 1.1.1 which will be 
> >>> released today.
> >>> OpenSSL 1.0.2 is an LTS release which will only receive security updates 
> >>> and no new
> >>> features.
> >>
> >> Strictly speaking 1.0.2 will receive bug fixes and security fixes until
> >> the end of this year. From the end of this year until the end of 2019 it
> >> will receive security fixes only. In any case it will receive no new
> >> features (including TLSv1.3).
> >>
> >> >From the release of 1.1.1 (today), 1.1.0 will receive security fixes
> >> only for one year.
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> > 
> > Got you.
> > 
> > So Openssh, NTPd, MOd_pagespeed have to adopt OPEnssl 1.1X API
> > in order to use TLS 1.3 .
> 
> Yes. I would encourage *all* applications still on the 1.0.x API to move
> to 1.1.1 asap. By the end of next year there will be no supported
> OpenSSL version that has the old API.
> 
> 
> Matt
> 
>


I will forward this to the many mailing lists I belong to.
> 
> >>
> >>>
> >>> HTH,
> >>> Matthias
> >>>
> >>> See also
> >>> https://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/TLS1.3
> >>> https://www.openssl.org/policies/releasestrat.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-09-11 Thread Salz, Rich via openssl-users
>So Openssh, NTPd, MOd_pagespeed have to adopt OPEnssl 1.1X API
in order to use TLS 1.3 .
  
Yes.

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Re: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-09-11 Thread Matt Caswell



On 11/09/18 14:58, The Doctor wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 09:31:23AM +0100, Matt Caswell wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 11/09/18 09:05, Dr. Matthias St. Pierre wrote:
>>>> Von: openssl-users  Im Auftrag von The 
>>>> Doctor
>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 08:49
>>>> An: openssl-users@openssl.org; openssl-...@openssl.org
>>>> Betreff: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3
>>>>
>>>> Will that combination occur?
>>>
>>> Support for TLS 1.3 is a new feature in OpenSSL 1.1.1 which will be 
>>> released today.
>>> OpenSSL 1.0.2 is an LTS release which will only receive security updates 
>>> and no new
>>> features.
>>
>> Strictly speaking 1.0.2 will receive bug fixes and security fixes until
>> the end of this year. From the end of this year until the end of 2019 it
>> will receive security fixes only. In any case it will receive no new
>> features (including TLSv1.3).
>>
>> >From the release of 1.1.1 (today), 1.1.0 will receive security fixes
>> only for one year.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
> 
> Got you.
> 
> So Openssh, NTPd, MOd_pagespeed have to adopt OPEnssl 1.1X API
> in order to use TLS 1.3 .

Yes. I would encourage *all* applications still on the 1.0.x API to move
to 1.1.1 asap. By the end of next year there will be no supported
OpenSSL version that has the old API.


Matt

> 
>>
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>> See also
>>> https://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/TLS1.3
>>> https://www.openssl.org/policies/releasestrat.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-09-11 Thread The Doctor
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 09:31:23AM +0100, Matt Caswell wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/09/18 09:05, Dr. Matthias St. Pierre wrote:
> >> Von: openssl-users  Im Auftrag von The 
> >> Doctor
> >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 08:49
> >> An: openssl-users@openssl.org; openssl-...@openssl.org
> >> Betreff: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3
> >>
> >> Will that combination occur?
> > 
> > Support for TLS 1.3 is a new feature in OpenSSL 1.1.1 which will be 
> > released today.
> > OpenSSL 1.0.2 is an LTS release which will only receive security updates 
> > and no new
> > features.
> 
> Strictly speaking 1.0.2 will receive bug fixes and security fixes until
> the end of this year. From the end of this year until the end of 2019 it
> will receive security fixes only. In any case it will receive no new
> features (including TLSv1.3).
> 
> >From the release of 1.1.1 (today), 1.1.0 will receive security fixes
> only for one year.
> 
> Matt
> 
>

Got you.

So Openssh, NTPd, MOd_pagespeed have to adopt OPEnssl 1.1X API
in order to use TLS 1.3 .

> 
> > 
> > HTH,
> > Matthias
> > 
> > See also
> > https://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/TLS1.3
> > https://www.openssl.org/policies/releasestrat.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-09-11 Thread Matt Caswell



On 11/09/18 09:05, Dr. Matthias St. Pierre wrote:
>> Von: openssl-users  Im Auftrag von The 
>> Doctor
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 08:49
>> An: openssl-users@openssl.org; openssl-...@openssl.org
>> Betreff: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3
>>
>> Will that combination occur?
> 
> Support for TLS 1.3 is a new feature in OpenSSL 1.1.1 which will be released 
> today.
> OpenSSL 1.0.2 is an LTS release which will only receive security updates and 
> no new
> features.

Strictly speaking 1.0.2 will receive bug fixes and security fixes until
the end of this year. From the end of this year until the end of 2019 it
will receive security fixes only. In any case it will receive no new
features (including TLSv1.3).

>From the release of 1.1.1 (today), 1.1.0 will receive security fixes
only for one year.

Matt



> 
> HTH,
> Matthias
> 
> See also
> https://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/TLS1.3
> https://www.openssl.org/policies/releasestrat.html
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-09-11 Thread Dr. Matthias St. Pierre
> Von: openssl-users  Im Auftrag von The 
> Doctor
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 08:49
> An: openssl-users@openssl.org; openssl-...@openssl.org
> Betreff: [openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3
> 
> Will that combination occur?

Support for TLS 1.3 is a new feature in OpenSSL 1.1.1 which will be released 
today.
OpenSSL 1.0.2 is an LTS release which will only receive security updates and no 
new
features.

HTH,
Matthias

See also
https://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/TLS1.3
https://www.openssl.org/policies/releasestrat.html



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[openssl-users] openssl 1.0.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-09-11 Thread The Doctor
Will that combination occur?
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