Re: [Openstack] CY13-Q1 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs Eucalyptus vs CloudStack

2013-04-04 Thread Qingye Jiang (John) 
Thanks a lot for the hints. This is very helpful.

John

在 2013-4-3，下午6:29，Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com 写道：

 On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 12:15:21PM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
 Qingye Jiang (John) wrote:
 I saw Jay's suggestion on removing review.openstack.org from the git domain 
 analysis. Can you shed some light on how this system works? Is this system 
 shadowing more real code contributors?
 
 Merge commits are created in git history when branches are merged.
 They appear as having two parent commits. In OpenStack, our Gerrit
 review system automatically creates them when merging into master, so
 jenk...@review.openstack.org appears as the author of all of them.
 
 NB you don't need to exclude based on author name. You can simply ask
 git for the history, without merges using 'git log --no-merges'
 
 Regards,
 Daniel
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[Openstack] CY13-Q1 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs Eucalyptus vs CloudStack

2013-04-02 Thread Qingye Jiang (John) 
Hi all,

I am glad to present to you the 6 edition of my quarterly analysis on this 
subject. CY13-Q1 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs Eucalyptus vs 
CloudStack is now available for your reading at the following URL:

CY13-Q1 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs Eucalyptus vs CloudStack

In this report I have added some preliminary analysis on the github activities 
of these 4 projects.

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Re: [Openstack] CY13-Q1 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs Eucalyptus vs CloudStack

2013-04-02 Thread Qingye Jiang (John) 
Hi Stefano,

Thanks a lot for the feedback. I do agree with you that the so-called 
participation ratio is a little bit misleading. I will consider your 
suggestion when doing the CY13-Q2 report. From the OpenNebula mailing list I 
got similar feedbacks, the reason being that the OpenNebula folks can always 
help the user resolve a problem with less email messages. Yes a neutral name 
for the parameter would be much better. Also I do agree that this parameter 
should not be related to the activeness of the community members. I will 
remove such judgements from the CY13-Q2 report.

I have not investigate the reasons for the ratio changes for OpenStack and 
CloudStack in their early days. This seems to be an interesting question, and I 
will try to answer that in the CY13-Q2 report.

I saw Jay's suggestion on removing review.openstack.org from the git domain 
analysis. Can you shed some light on how this system works? Is this system 
shadowing more real code contributors?

John





在 2013-4-3，上午3:25，Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org 写道：

 Thanks John, it's always interesting to see comparisons among different 
 projects. Although comparisons are hard to make :)
 
 I was looking at the Participating Ratio, the ratio between “the number of  
 posts” and “the number of topics” that in your post you assume it represents 
 the participation rate of an online community.
 
 In your post you argue that the number of replies to a specific topic 
 represents the attention being received, and the depth of discussion for that 
 particular topic basically assuming that a high ratio is always better. I 
 disagree with this assumption.
 
 My explanation for decreasing depth of discussions is that the topics 
 discussed are less controversial and require less amount of messages to 
 close. For OpenStack, patches and changes to code are not discussed on the 
 mailing lists anymore but they are debated (sometimes heavily) on 
 review.openstack.org instead (which your tools don't capture) while afaik 
 cloudstack and other projects seem to review patches on the -dev mailing 
 lists. Comparisons across these projects are hard indeed.
 
 You highlight OpenStack's decreasing 'participating ratio' leaving in the 
 reader the impression that this must be bad but I don't think that's the 
 right conclusion (nor the only one).
 
 I would suggest you to rename participating ratio into 
 participating-bickering ratio: slightlgy longer but more neutral; lowering 
 participating-bickering ratio is neither good nor bad and it forces reader 
 to go investigate the causes (and you avoid being mis-quoted by some 
 blogger/pundit that doesn't have time to dive deeper in the causes).
 
 Have you investigated and found other reasons for why the 
 participating-bickering ratio changes so much for OpenStack (especially in 
 the early days) and Cloudstack?
 
 Cheers,
 stef
 
 PS just a heads-up: we've added https://ask.openstack.org in March to our 
 properties, so next quarter please add it as a source to your dataset
 
 
 On 04/02/2013 02:32 AM, Qingye Jiang (John) wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I am glad to present to you the 6 edition of my quarterly analysis on
 this subject. CY13-Q1 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs
 Eucalyptus vs CloudStack is now available for your reading at the
 following URL:
 
 CY13-Q1 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs Eucalyptus vs
 CloudStack http://www.qyjohn.net/?p=3120
 
 In this report I have added some preliminary analysis on the github
 activities of these 4 projects.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Qingye Jiang (John)
 
 
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Re: [Openstack] CY13-Q1 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs Eucalyptus vs CloudStack

2013-04-02 Thread Qingye Jiang (John) 
I have look at https://ask.openstack.org/. Yes I will add it as a data source 
in the CY13-Q2 report.

John

在 2013-4-3，上午3:25，Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org 写道：

 Thanks John, it's always interesting to see comparisons among different 
 projects. Although comparisons are hard to make :)
 
 I was looking at the Participating Ratio, the ratio between “the number of  
 posts” and “the number of topics” that in your post you assume it represents 
 the participation rate of an online community.
 
 In your post you argue that the number of replies to a specific topic 
 represents the attention being received, and the depth of discussion for that 
 particular topic basically assuming that a high ratio is always better. I 
 disagree with this assumption.
 
 My explanation for decreasing depth of discussions is that the topics 
 discussed are less controversial and require less amount of messages to 
 close. For OpenStack, patches and changes to code are not discussed on the 
 mailing lists anymore but they are debated (sometimes heavily) on 
 review.openstack.org instead (which your tools don't capture) while afaik 
 cloudstack and other projects seem to review patches on the -dev mailing 
 lists. Comparisons across these projects are hard indeed.
 
 You highlight OpenStack's decreasing 'participating ratio' leaving in the 
 reader the impression that this must be bad but I don't think that's the 
 right conclusion (nor the only one).
 
 I would suggest you to rename participating ratio into 
 participating-bickering ratio: slightlgy longer but more neutral; lowering 
 participating-bickering ratio is neither good nor bad and it forces reader 
 to go investigate the causes (and you avoid being mis-quoted by some 
 blogger/pundit that doesn't have time to dive deeper in the causes).
 
 Have you investigated and found other reasons for why the 
 participating-bickering ratio changes so much for OpenStack (especially in 
 the early days) and Cloudstack?
 
 Cheers,
 stef
 
 PS just a heads-up: we've added https://ask.openstack.org in March to our 
 properties, so next quarter please add it as a source to your dataset
 
 
 On 04/02/2013 02:32 AM, Qingye Jiang (John) wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I am glad to present to you the 6 edition of my quarterly analysis on
 this subject. CY13-Q1 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs
 Eucalyptus vs CloudStack is now available for your reading at the
 following URL:
 
 CY13-Q1 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs Eucalyptus vs
 CloudStack http://www.qyjohn.net/?p=3120
 
 In this report I have added some preliminary analysis on the github
 activities of these 4 projects.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Qingye Jiang (John)
 
 
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[Openstack] CY12-Q4 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs Eucalyptus vs CloudStack

2013-01-03 Thread Qingye Jiang (John) 
Hi all,

I would like to let you know that I have just finished my 5th quarterly report 
on comparing the community activities of different open source IaaS 
technologies. CY12-Q4 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs 
Eucalyptus vs CloudStack is now available on my blog at the following URL.

English Version:
http://www.qyjohn.net/?p=2733

Chinese Version:
http://www.qyjohn.net/?p=2731

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Re: [Openstack] CY12-Q3 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs Eucalyptus vs CloudStack

2012-10-02 Thread Qingye Jiang (John) 

Hi Tim and Tom,

Thanks a lot for the corrections. I will make an update asap.

John

于 2012-10-2 15:03, Tim Bell 写道:

Were the developer and  operator lists included in your analysis ?

- http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/
- http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/

Full set is at http://wiki.openstack.org/MailingLists

Tim


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Subject: [Openstack] CY12-Q3 Community Analysis - OpenStack vs
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Hi,

I have just finished my blog entry CY12-Q3 Community Analysis - OpenStack
vs OpenNebula vs Eucalyptus vs CloudStack, which provides a lot of

details on

how these four projects are doing in terms of community activies. The

article

contains a lot of graphs, and I don't want to spam everybody's mailbox. It

is

accessible from my blog at the following URL:

http://www.qyjohn.net/?p=2427

Best regards,

Qingye Jiang (John)

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Re: [Openstack] CY12-Q3 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs Eucalyptus vs CloudStack

2012-10-02 Thread Qingye Jiang (John) 

Hi Tom, Tim, and Thierry,

I have just updated the original post with data from 
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/*/ . http://forums.openstack.org/ 
has so little data that it will not impact the results so I simply ignored.


Please refresh your browser to get the new version.

Thank you so much for helping me getting better data. :-)

Best regards,

John

于 2012-10-2 15:06, Tom Fifield 写道:

You might also consider adding the forums:

http://forums.openstack.org/


Regards,

Tom

On 02/10/12 16:46, Tom Fifield wrote:

Hi,

It looks like you missed the migration to the new OpenStack mailing
lists - http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Regards,

Tom

On 02/10/12 16:37, Qingye Jiang (John) wrote:

Hi,

I have just finished my blog entry CY12-Q3 Community Analysis —
OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs Eucalyptus vs CloudStack, which provides a
lot of details on how these four projects are doing in terms of
community activies. The article contains a lot of graphs, and I don't
want to spam everybody's mailbox. It is accessible from my blog at the
following URL:

http://www.qyjohn.net/?p=2427

Best regards,

Qingye Jiang (John)

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[Openstack] CY12-Q2 Community Analysis — OpenStack vs OpenNebula vs Eucalyptus vs CloudStack

2012-07-01 Thread Qingye Jiang (John) 

Hi all,

I would like to let you know that I have just finished an analysis on 
the 4 open source projects (OpenStack, OpenNebula, Eucalyptus, 
CloudStack) from a community activity perspective. The analysis report 
could be found from my personal blog at http://www.qyjohn.net/?p=2233 
(with a lot of figures).


Best regards,

Qingye Jiang (John)



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