Re: [Openstack-community] Beyond the wiki page: planning an International Community Portal
On Tue 15 May 2012 03:47:34 PM PDT, andi abes wrote: Not sure there's a real need to delete a group. You could just post a - go here for future events post on the group's page It's not the same thing ... i don't want to deviate the discussion though. Let me just say that for me data portability is a basic requirement for any software, service, system, anything: my data, my contacts, my content need to go with me when/where I decide to move it. This is also one of the promises of OpenStack, btw: your loads on any cloud, interoperability, etc. But then again, the decision of which tool to use to manage the local groups needs to be left in the hands of the group itself. If you're comfortable with meetup, linkedin, google groups, your own hosted phpBB, whatever, use it. All we need is a place to surface all of these activities that happen around the world and that involve OpenStack. That said, some other items beyond meetup that could also help: * sharing curating capabilities - video, photos and slidedecks. You've got your YouTube and G+ Hangouts and slideshare... but curating past events and organizing info into consumable (and locatable) archive This is interesting: what would be the use case exactly? Something like: after the event, the coordinator adds to the portal the URL for pictures, slides, A/V recordings relevant for that event. Where you thinking something like this or more sophisticated? Lastly, about SSO and user identities. I see UG as having a dual role - preach to the choir and getting new converts - or have a forum for existing Openstack community members (developers, deployers and users) to interact in person, but also promote openstack to the uninitiated. An SSO system that will add a potential barrier for folks who are (not that I understand why in this day and age) reluctant to sign up providing any personal details (e.g. email address). I agree. I don't like forcing to create yet another login/password combo. I tend to believe that we should only require authentication for the managers/coordinators of the groups to get started. We may need to build something more sophisticated later on but we'll talk about it when that time comes. /stef -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-community Post to : openstack-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack-community] Beyond the wiki page: planning an International Community Portal
I agree with Tim. I have the skill set to maintain major aspects of Drupal but maintaining a portal requires a team. The selection of a tool really depends on the portal's requirements. On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Tim Bell tim.b...@cern.ch wrote: We use Drupal at CERN and it is extremely flexible for setting up branded themes, communities, RSS feeds, OpenID, dynamic content etc.. However, it is also quite complex and so would require some specialised skills to set up and maintain. This is fine if you have them available but it is a steep learning curve for this specific purpose. Tim -Original Message- From: openstack-community-bounces+tim.bell=cern...@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-community-bounces+tim.bell=cern...@lists.launchpad.net ] On Behalf Of Atul Jha Sent: 10 May 2012 22:31 To: Stefano Maffulli; Haisam Ido Cc: User Groups Community, OpenStack Subject: Re: [Openstack-community] Beyond the wiki page: planning an International Community Portal Hi, From: openstack-community- bounces+atul.jha=csscorp@lists.launchpad.net [openstack-community- bounces+atul.jha=csscorp@lists.launchpad.net] on behalf of Stefano Maffulli [stef...@openstack.org] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:34 PM To: Haisam Ido Cc: User Groups Community, OpenStack Subject: Re: [Openstack-community] Beyond the wiki page: planning an International Community Portal On Thu 10 May 2012 04:23:34 AM PDT, Haisam Ido wrote: http://drupal.org/ might be a good choice for the portal. Here's a list of Drupal users http://whousesdrupal.com/home Depending on what the needs are, Drupal may be overkill. For example, +1 Going ahead with Drupal will be a bad idea for same reason Stefano mentioned. if we decide not to host and provide web apps for any of the local groups (mlists, blog, forums, etc), we may well do with a much smaller application that's easier to manage than Drupal. Do you think we need to offer these applications? Who needs to use them? By the way, do you have experience running a large Drupal site? Would you be interested in running this project (should we decide to)? thanks, stef -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-community Post to : openstack-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp http://www.csscorp.com/common/email-disclaimer.php -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-community Post to : openstack-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-community Post to : openstack-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack-community] Beyond the wiki page: planning an International Community Portal
On Fri 11 May 2012 11:54:21 AM PDT, Doug Hellmann wrote: I certainly don't see anything about that in the terms of service. http://www.meetup.com/terms/ Right, there is nothing there. I have heard stories from people that ran groups on meetup.com and had problems closing/migrating away from there. Basically, to close a group you need to ask meetup.com to do it, after you've advertised your intentions and got consensus among other admins. The process is described on http://www.meetup.com/help/How-do-I-delete-my-Meetup-Group/ They may have made things easier than in the past but I don't think this is relevant for our discussion. Allow me to rephrase what I said before: Of course it's your choice to use it or not but I'm not comfortable advocating for it as a solution What I meant to say is that I'm in favor of each team picking its own preferred tool to keep the local community engaged, informed and ultimately happy. I'll keep myself neutral for the tools of choice of the local communities. I can provide suggestions, only if asked but the choice should always be done by the local coordinators. Hasaim: Shouldn't the requirements be considered prior to selecting a portal? Yes, indeed. Lets go back to the beginning, below is the list of requirements I identified. Is this all we need? Basic needs • A directory of OpenStack user groups (OSUG) that is more flexible and appealing than a wiki page. • A system to get in touch with members (all members or just the coordinators/leaders?) of the international communities. Features • Register users using SSO ∘ as a user I would like to be able to associate my profile from Launchpad, Linkedin or Google to the site • Support content in multiple languages (switch list and automatic recognition via browser agent configuration) • Support roles: managers of the groups can add resources, members can sign up as members, anonymous can read all content • Show activity from all groups in my own language on the portal home page • Directory of OSUGroups, with geographic representation ∘ be able to view the groups on a chart ∘ display also the full list of groups • Manage content (pages) of generic interest ∘ to host content like how to start a group, general, policies, trademark stuff, generic icons, etc • Per each group, ∘ allow users to add events, each group will expose its ical feed ∘ show to list additional resources for the group: mailing lists, forums, wiki pages, home page, url of blogs, ∘ import RSS feed from blogs to aggregate content on groups page ∘ display photostreams from flickr and such on the home page -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-community Post to : openstack-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Openstack-community] Beyond the wiki page: planning an International Community Portal
Hello folks, with the large growth of OpenStack internationally comes the need to have a better system to list the international resources for new users of OpenStack. At the moment we have a couple of wiki pages like http://wiki.openstack.org/OpenStackUserGroups, this list and the map on the /community page on openstack.org. All that content is available only in English. We need more. I would like to discuss the needs of the international community and get a new system in place in the next few weeks. Basic needs • A directory of OpenStack user groups (OSUG) that is more flexible and appealing than a wiki page. • A system to get in touch with members (all members or just the coordinators/leaders?) of the international communities. Features • Register users using SSO ∘ as a user I would like to be able to associate my profile from Launchpad, Linkedin or Google to the site • Support content in multiple languages (switch list and automatic recognition via browser agent configuration) • Support roles: managers of the groups can add resources, members can sign up as members, anonymous can read all content • Show activity from all groups in my own language on the portal home page • Directory of OSUGroups, with geographic representation ∘ be able to view the groups on a chart ∘ display also the full list of groups • Manage content (pages) of generic interest ∘ to host content like how to start a group, general, policies, trademark stuff, generic icons, etc • Per each group, ∘ allow users to add events, each group will expose its ical feed ∘ show to list additional resources for the group: mailing lists, forums, wiki pages, home page, url of blogs, ∘ import RSS feed from blogs to aggregate content on groups page ∘ display photostreams from flickr and such on the home page Questions: • is that all we need? • do we want to host and provide web apps for any of the local groups (mlists, blog, forums, etc)? • can we reuse code from Ubuntu Loco portal? https://code.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal The code is tightly integrated in Launchpad, local teams need to be created as Launchpad Teams, it uses Launchpad as OpenID provider (bugs included) but it's already there, it's a django app • What other tools can we use for this and would you volunteer to manage such tool? I'm interested in your opinions. /stef -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-community Post to : openstack-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
