Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Special session on heat-translator project at Atlanta summit
Hi all, we have put up an etherpad [1] with a draft agenda for the session on Heat Translator next week. It is an outline of things that we want to talk about to give an overview and some background on the project, as well as a collection of things that came to our minds. It is important to say that the project is really young and still taking shape. Compared to other design design sessions where the issues being discussed are much more concrete, expect this session to be of a broader scope. It is really meant to show what we have so far, what our vision is, but then also to shape the project so it best benefits the OpenStack Orchestration program. Therefore, we are really interested in everyone's input for that session so that we can make best use of everyone's time there. That said, feel free to add your input to the etherpad. We will then consolidate it in time for the session next Thursday. [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-design-summit-heat-translator Regards, Thomas From: Thomas Spatzier/Germany/IBM@IBMDE To: OpenStack Development Mailing List \(not for usage questions\) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: 06/05/2014 10:47 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Special session on heat- translator project at Atlanta summit Hi Dimitri, I think we will cover the relation to the overall Heat vision during that session. That would actually be very good use of time during that session, because we want to shape the project in a way that it adds benefit to the overall orchestration project. From our perspective, TOSCA is one driving factor, but it's not a pure TOSCA discussion. For example, during last year's summit in Portland we came up with this vision architecture chart in [1], and heat-translator could be a starting point for this pluggable formats layer. Maybe we will also incubate some features in heat-translator and later move them more tightly into Heat ... all points to be sorted out and to develop over time. My 2 cents. Thomas Dimitri Mazmanov dimitri.mazma...@ericsson.com wrote on 06/05/2014 10:16:44: From: Dimitri Mazmanov dimitri.mazma...@ericsson.com To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: 06/05/2014 10:18 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Special session on heat- translator project at Atlanta summit Great effort! One question, will this session relate to the overall Heat vision [1] (Model Interpreters, API Relay, etc)? - Dimitri [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Vision On 05/05/14 19:21, Thomas Spatzier thomas.spatz...@de.ibm.com wrote: Hi all, I mentioned in some earlier mail that we have started to implement a TOSCA YAML to HOT translator on stackforge as project heat-translator. We have been lucky to get a session allocated in the context of the Open source @ OpenStack program for the Atlanta summit, so I wanted to share this with the Heat community to hopefully attract some interested people. Here is the session link: http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/ c94698b4ea2287eccff8fb743a358d8c#.U2e-zl6cuVg While there is some focus on TOSCA, the goal of discussions would also be to find a reasonable design for sitting such a translation layer on-top of Heat, but also identify the relations and benefits for other projects, e.g. how Murano use cases that include workflows for templates (which is part of TOSCA) could be addressed long term. So we hope to see a lot of interested folks there! Regards, Thomas PS: Here is a more detailed description of the session that we submitted: 1) Project Name: heat-translator 2) Describe your project, including links to relevent sites, repositories, bug trackers and documentation: We have recently started a stackforge project [1] with the goal to enable the deployment of templates defined in standard format such as OASIS TOSCA on top of OpenStack Heat. The Heat community has been implementing a native template format 'HOT' (Heat Orchestration Templates) during the Havana and Icehouse cycles, but it is recognized that support for other standard formats that are sufficiently aligned with HOT are also desirable to be supported. Therefore, the goal of the heat-translator project is to enable such support by translating such formats into Heat's native format and thereby enable a deployment on Heat. Current focus is on OASIS TOSCA. In fact, the OASIS TOSCA TC is currently working on a TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML [2] which has been greatly inspired by discussions with the Heat team, to help getting TOSCA adoption in the community. The TOSCA TC and the Heat team have also be in close discussion to keep HOT and TOSCA YAML aligned. Thus, the first goal of heat-translator will be to enable deployment of TOSCA YAML templates thru Heat. Development had been started in a separate public github repository
Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Special session on heat-translator project at Atlanta summit
Thomas, It is great that 'heat-translator' project would have a session at the Atlanta Summit! We are definitely interested in TOSCA and how it is translated to the HOT. On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Thomas Spatzier thomas.spatz...@de.ibm.comwrote: Hi all, I mentioned in some earlier mail that we have started to implement a TOSCA YAML to HOT translator on stackforge as project heat-translator. We have been lucky to get a session allocated in the context of the Open source @ OpenStack program for the Atlanta summit, so I wanted to share this with the Heat community to hopefully attract some interested people. Here is the session link: http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/c94698b4ea2287eccff8fb743a358d8c#.U2e-zl6cuVg While there is some focus on TOSCA, the goal of discussions would also be to find a reasonable design for sitting such a translation layer on-top of Heat, but also identify the relations and benefits for other projects, e.g. how Murano use cases that include workflows for templates (which is part of TOSCA) could be addressed long term. So we hope to see a lot of interested folks there! Regards, Thomas PS: Here is a more detailed description of the session that we submitted: 1) Project Name: heat-translator 2) Describe your project, including links to relevent sites, repositories, bug trackers and documentation: We have recently started a stackforge project [1] with the goal to enable the deployment of templates defined in standard format such as OASIS TOSCA on top of OpenStack Heat. The Heat community has been implementing a native template format 'HOT' (Heat Orchestration Templates) during the Havana and Icehouse cycles, but it is recognized that support for other standard formats that are sufficiently aligned with HOT are also desirable to be supported. Therefore, the goal of the heat-translator project is to enable such support by translating such formats into Heat's native format and thereby enable a deployment on Heat. Current focus is on OASIS TOSCA. In fact, the OASIS TOSCA TC is currently working on a TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML [2] which has been greatly inspired by discussions with the Heat team, to help getting TOSCA adoption in the community. The TOSCA TC and the Heat team have also be in close discussion to keep HOT and TOSCA YAML aligned. Thus, the first goal of heat-translator will be to enable deployment of TOSCA YAML templates thru Heat. Development had been started in a separate public github repository [3] earlier this year, but we are currently in the process of moving all code to the stackforge projects [1] https://github.com/stackforge/heat-translator [2] https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=52571wg_abbrev=tosca [3] https://github.com/spzala/heat-translator 3) Please describe how your project relates to OpenStack: Heat has been working on a native template format HOT to replace the original CloudFormation format as the primary template of the core Heat engine. CloudFormation shall continue to be supported as one possible format (to protect existing content), but it is desired to move such support out of the core engine into a translation layer. This is one architectural move that can be supported by the heat-translator project. Furthermore, there is desire to enable standardized formats such OASIS TOSCA to run on Heat, which will also be possible thru heat-translator. In addition, recent discussions [4] in the large OpenStack orchestration community have shown that several groups (e.g. Murano) are looking at extending orchestration capabilities beyond Heat functionality, and in the course of doing this also extend current template formats. It has been suggested in mailing list posts that TOSCA could be one potential format to center such discussions around instead of several groups developing their own orchestration DSLs. The next version of TOSCA with its simple profile in YAML is very open for input from the community, so there is a great opportunity to shape the standard in a way to address use cases brought up by the community. Willingness to join discussions with the TOSCA TC have already been indicated by several companies contributing to OpenStack. Therefore we think the heat-translator project can help to focus such discussions. [4] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/028957.html 4) How do you plan to use the time and space? Give attendees an overview of current developments of the TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML and how we are aligning this with HOT. Give a quick summary of current code. Discuss next steps and long term direction of the heat-translator project: alignment with Heat, parts that could move into Heat, parts that would stay outside of Heat etc. Collect use cases from other interested groups (e.g. Murano), and discuss that as potential input for the project and also ongoing TOSCA standards
Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Special session on heat-translator project at Atlanta summit
Great effort! One question, will this session relate to the overall Heat vision [1] (Model Interpreters, API Relay, etc)? - Dimitri [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Vision On 05/05/14 19:21, Thomas Spatzier thomas.spatz...@de.ibm.commailto:thomas.spatz...@de.ibm.com wrote: Hi all, I mentioned in some earlier mail that we have started to implement a TOSCA YAML to HOT translator on stackforge as project heat-translator. We have been lucky to get a session allocated in the context of the Open source @ OpenStack program for the Atlanta summit, so I wanted to share this with the Heat community to hopefully attract some interested people. Here is the session link: http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/c94698b4ea2287eccff8fb743a358d8c#.U2e-zl6cuVg While there is some focus on TOSCA, the goal of discussions would also be to find a reasonable design for sitting such a translation layer on-top of Heat, but also identify the relations and benefits for other projects, e.g. how Murano use cases that include workflows for templates (which is part of TOSCA) could be addressed long term. So we hope to see a lot of interested folks there! Regards, Thomas PS: Here is a more detailed description of the session that we submitted: 1) Project Name: heat-translator 2) Describe your project, including links to relevent sites, repositories, bug trackers and documentation: We have recently started a stackforge project [1] with the goal to enable the deployment of templates defined in standard format such as OASIS TOSCA on top of OpenStack Heat. The Heat community has been implementing a native template format 'HOT' (Heat Orchestration Templates) during the Havana and Icehouse cycles, but it is recognized that support for other standard formats that are sufficiently aligned with HOT are also desirable to be supported. Therefore, the goal of the heat-translator project is to enable such support by translating such formats into Heat's native format and thereby enable a deployment on Heat. Current focus is on OASIS TOSCA. In fact, the OASIS TOSCA TC is currently working on a TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML [2] which has been greatly inspired by discussions with the Heat team, to help getting TOSCA adoption in the community. The TOSCA TC and the Heat team have also be in close discussion to keep HOT and TOSCA YAML aligned. Thus, the first goal of heat-translator will be to enable deployment of TOSCA YAML templates thru Heat. Development had been started in a separate public github repository [3] earlier this year, but we are currently in the process of moving all code to the stackforge projects [1] https://github.com/stackforge/heat-translator [2] https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=52571wg_abbrev=tosca [3] https://github.com/spzala/heat-translator 3) Please describe how your project relates to OpenStack: Heat has been working on a native template format HOT to replace the original CloudFormation format as the primary template of the core Heat engine. CloudFormation shall continue to be supported as one possible format (to protect existing content), but it is desired to move such support out of the core engine into a translation layer. This is one architectural move that can be supported by the heat-translator project. Furthermore, there is desire to enable standardized formats such OASIS TOSCA to run on Heat, which will also be possible thru heat-translator. In addition, recent discussions [4] in the large OpenStack orchestration community have shown that several groups (e.g. Murano) are looking at extending orchestration capabilities beyond Heat functionality, and in the course of doing this also extend current template formats. It has been suggested in mailing list posts that TOSCA could be one potential format to center such discussions around instead of several groups developing their own orchestration DSLs. The next version of TOSCA with its simple profile in YAML is very open for input from the community, so there is a great opportunity to shape the standard in a way to address use cases brought up by the community. Willingness to join discussions with the TOSCA TC have already been indicated by several companies contributing to OpenStack. Therefore we think the heat-translator project can help to focus such discussions. [4] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/028957.html 4) How do you plan to use the time and space? Give attendees an overview of current developments of the TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML and how we are aligning this with HOT. Give a quick summary of current code. Discuss next steps and long term direction of the heat-translator project: alignment with Heat, parts that could move into Heat, parts that would stay outside of Heat etc. Collect use cases from other interested groups (e.g. Murano), and discuss that as potential input for the project and also ongoing TOSCA standards work. Discuss if and how this project could
Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Special session on heat-translator project at Atlanta summit
Hi Dimitri, I think we will cover the relation to the overall Heat vision during that session. That would actually be very good use of time during that session, because we want to shape the project in a way that it adds benefit to the overall orchestration project. From our perspective, TOSCA is one driving factor, but it's not a pure TOSCA discussion. For example, during last year's summit in Portland we came up with this vision architecture chart in [1], and heat-translator could be a starting point for this pluggable formats layer. Maybe we will also incubate some features in heat-translator and later move them more tightly into Heat ... all points to be sorted out and to develop over time. My 2 cents. Thomas Dimitri Mazmanov dimitri.mazma...@ericsson.com wrote on 06/05/2014 10:16:44: From: Dimitri Mazmanov dimitri.mazma...@ericsson.com To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: 06/05/2014 10:18 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Special session on heat- translator project at Atlanta summit Great effort! One question, will this session relate to the overall Heat vision [1] (Model Interpreters, API Relay, etc)? - Dimitri [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Vision On 05/05/14 19:21, Thomas Spatzier thomas.spatz...@de.ibm.com wrote: Hi all, I mentioned in some earlier mail that we have started to implement a TOSCA YAML to HOT translator on stackforge as project heat-translator. We have been lucky to get a session allocated in the context of the Open source @ OpenStack program for the Atlanta summit, so I wanted to share this with the Heat community to hopefully attract some interested people. Here is the session link: http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/ c94698b4ea2287eccff8fb743a358d8c#.U2e-zl6cuVg While there is some focus on TOSCA, the goal of discussions would also be to find a reasonable design for sitting such a translation layer on-top of Heat, but also identify the relations and benefits for other projects, e.g. how Murano use cases that include workflows for templates (which is part of TOSCA) could be addressed long term. So we hope to see a lot of interested folks there! Regards, Thomas PS: Here is a more detailed description of the session that we submitted: 1) Project Name: heat-translator 2) Describe your project, including links to relevent sites, repositories, bug trackers and documentation: We have recently started a stackforge project [1] with the goal to enable the deployment of templates defined in standard format such as OASIS TOSCA on top of OpenStack Heat. The Heat community has been implementing a native template format 'HOT' (Heat Orchestration Templates) during the Havana and Icehouse cycles, but it is recognized that support for other standard formats that are sufficiently aligned with HOT are also desirable to be supported. Therefore, the goal of the heat-translator project is to enable such support by translating such formats into Heat's native format and thereby enable a deployment on Heat. Current focus is on OASIS TOSCA. In fact, the OASIS TOSCA TC is currently working on a TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML [2] which has been greatly inspired by discussions with the Heat team, to help getting TOSCA adoption in the community. The TOSCA TC and the Heat team have also be in close discussion to keep HOT and TOSCA YAML aligned. Thus, the first goal of heat-translator will be to enable deployment of TOSCA YAML templates thru Heat. Development had been started in a separate public github repository [3] earlier this year, but we are currently in the process of moving all code to the stackforge projects [1] https://github.com/stackforge/heat-translator [2] https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php? document_id=52571wg_abbrev=tosca [3] https://github.com/spzala/heat-translator 3) Please describe how your project relates to OpenStack: Heat has been working on a native template format HOT to replace the original CloudFormation format as the primary template of the core Heat engine. CloudFormation shall continue to be supported as one possible format (to protect existing content), but it is desired to move such support out of the core engine into a translation layer. This is one architectural move that can be supported by the heat-translator project. Furthermore, there is desire to enable standardized formats such OASIS TOSCA to run on Heat, which will also be possible thru heat-translator. In addition, recent discussions [4] in the large OpenStack orchestration community have shown that several groups (e.g. Murano) are looking at extending orchestration capabilities beyond Heat functionality, and in the course of doing this also extend current template formats. It has been suggested in mailing list posts that TOSCA could be one potential format to center such discussions around instead of several groups
[openstack-dev] [Heat] Special session on heat-translator project at Atlanta summit
Hi all, I mentioned in some earlier mail that we have started to implement a TOSCA YAML to HOT translator on stackforge as project heat-translator. We have been lucky to get a session allocated in the context of the Open source @ OpenStack program for the Atlanta summit, so I wanted to share this with the Heat community to hopefully attract some interested people. Here is the session link: http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/c94698b4ea2287eccff8fb743a358d8c#.U2e-zl6cuVg While there is some focus on TOSCA, the goal of discussions would also be to find a reasonable design for sitting such a translation layer on-top of Heat, but also identify the relations and benefits for other projects, e.g. how Murano use cases that include workflows for templates (which is part of TOSCA) could be addressed long term. So we hope to see a lot of interested folks there! Regards, Thomas PS: Here is a more detailed description of the session that we submitted: 1) Project Name: heat-translator 2) Describe your project, including links to relevent sites, repositories, bug trackers and documentation: We have recently started a stackforge project [1] with the goal to enable the deployment of templates defined in standard format such as OASIS TOSCA on top of OpenStack Heat. The Heat community has been implementing a native template format 'HOT' (Heat Orchestration Templates) during the Havana and Icehouse cycles, but it is recognized that support for other standard formats that are sufficiently aligned with HOT are also desirable to be supported. Therefore, the goal of the heat-translator project is to enable such support by translating such formats into Heat's native format and thereby enable a deployment on Heat. Current focus is on OASIS TOSCA. In fact, the OASIS TOSCA TC is currently working on a TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML [2] which has been greatly inspired by discussions with the Heat team, to help getting TOSCA adoption in the community. The TOSCA TC and the Heat team have also be in close discussion to keep HOT and TOSCA YAML aligned. Thus, the first goal of heat-translator will be to enable deployment of TOSCA YAML templates thru Heat. Development had been started in a separate public github repository [3] earlier this year, but we are currently in the process of moving all code to the stackforge projects [1] https://github.com/stackforge/heat-translator [2] https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=52571wg_abbrev=tosca [3] https://github.com/spzala/heat-translator 3) Please describe how your project relates to OpenStack: Heat has been working on a native template format HOT to replace the original CloudFormation format as the primary template of the core Heat engine. CloudFormation shall continue to be supported as one possible format (to protect existing content), but it is desired to move such support out of the core engine into a translation layer. This is one architectural move that can be supported by the heat-translator project. Furthermore, there is desire to enable standardized formats such OASIS TOSCA to run on Heat, which will also be possible thru heat-translator. In addition, recent discussions [4] in the large OpenStack orchestration community have shown that several groups (e.g. Murano) are looking at extending orchestration capabilities beyond Heat functionality, and in the course of doing this also extend current template formats. It has been suggested in mailing list posts that TOSCA could be one potential format to center such discussions around instead of several groups developing their own orchestration DSLs. The next version of TOSCA with its simple profile in YAML is very open for input from the community, so there is a great opportunity to shape the standard in a way to address use cases brought up by the community. Willingness to join discussions with the TOSCA TC have already been indicated by several companies contributing to OpenStack. Therefore we think the heat-translator project can help to focus such discussions. [4] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/028957.html 4) How do you plan to use the time and space? Give attendees an overview of current developments of the TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML and how we are aligning this with HOT. Give a quick summary of current code. Discuss next steps and long term direction of the heat-translator project: alignment with Heat, parts that could move into Heat, parts that would stay outside of Heat etc. Collect use cases from other interested groups (e.g. Murano), and discuss that as potential input for the project and also ongoing TOSCA standards work. Discuss if and how this project could help to address requirements of different groups. Discuss and agree on a design to (1) meet important requirements based on those discussions, and (2) to best enable collaborative development with the community. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list
