Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-ansible] Implement rotations for meetings handling

[Markos Chandras]

On 03/05/18 09:13, Andy McCrae wrote:
> 
> 
> I will gladly pick up my well-used meeting chair hat.
> It's a great idea, I think it would help make our meetings more productive.
> Once you've been chair you have a different view of how the meetings work.
> 
> Andy

I too think this is a great idea

+1

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Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-ansible] Implement rotations for meetings handling

[Jean-Philippe Evrard]

I think Jesse sumarized things elegantly.

Here is an analogy for you, to complement the answer with more
background. Let me compare our state with a new company,
as this is a a notion people many people can relate to.

Initially we were a startup. Only a few people were working on OSA on
its creation. And they were busy doing everything.
But then we grew, and we continue to grow. At some point, those few
people doing everything didn't (or don't) have the time to do
everything anymore (because of the growing nature). So OSA, like any
business, needs to learn how to grow bigger.

One of the way is to distribute work as much as we can into the more
appropriate persons.
We started doing that by distributing core duties for roles.
We are now adding the meeting organisation.
I have a few other ideas where shared ownership will help the project
mature and allow more growth in the future, but one step at a time :)

Best regards,
Jean-Philippe Evrard (evrardjp)

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Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-ansible] Implement rotations for meetings handling

[Jesse Pretorius]

Hi Mike – please see my responses in-line.

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  *   So my question is... what is the health status of OSA? Is there still a 
core of committed contributors? I only check in on OSA code reviews rarely now, 
but activity seems a lot less than it was.

I’m not sure how to answer this, really. OSA is used by a variety of 
organizations, and contributed to by a number of organizations. The health of 
the project depends on the contributions of those who consume it. A quick 
review of Stackalytics shows that OSA has multiple contributing stakeholders, 
which means that the risk of project failure is managed. See 
http://stackalytics.com/?metric=commits=openstack-ansible / 
http://stackalytics.com/?metric=person-day=openstack-ansible for Rocky 
stats, and you can look back in history using the ‘Release’ drop-down box on 
the left.


  *   Before you answer, imagine that I now work for a moderately large, 
potential consumer of OSA.

OK, you’d be in good company if you check the contributing companies in 
Stackalytics.


  *   Is OSA the future, or have other deployment projects made it less 
relevant?

OSA is one of many deployment projects. Each has their own style. Pick the one 
that suits your needs best.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-ansible] Implement rotations for meetings handling

[Mike Carden]

Hi OSA peeps.

I apologise in advance for what may seem like an impertinent question. And
for those playing along at home, I was just getting the hang of
contributing to OSA when last year my employer decided that some of us were
no longer needed, and OpenStack lost quite a few full time employed
contributors.

So my question is... what is the health status of OSA? Is there still a
core of committed contributors? I only check in on OSA code reviews rarely
now, but activity seems a lot less than it was.

Before you answer, imagine that I now work for a moderately large,
potential consumer of OSA.

Is OSA the future, or have other deployment projects made it less relevant?

-- 
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On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Andy McCrae  wrote:

>
>> Now that we are all part-time, I'd like to toy with a new idea,
>> proposed in the past by Jesse, to rotate the duties with people who
>> are involved in OSA, or want to get involved more (it's not restricted
>> to core developers!).
>>
>> One of the first duties to be handled this way could be the weekly
>> meeting.
>>
>> Handling the meeting is not that hard, it just takes time to prepare,
>> and to facilitate.
>>
>> I think everyone should step into this, not only core developers, but
>> core developers are now expected to run the meetings when their turn
>> comes.
>>
>>
>> What are the actions to take:
>> - Prepare the triage. Generate the list of the bugs for the week.
>> - Ping people with the triage links around 1h before the weekly
>> meeting. It would give them time to get prepared for meeting,
>> eventually updating the agenda, and read the current bugs
>> - Ping people at the beginning of the meeting
>> - Chair the meeting: The structure of the meeting is now always
>> the same, a recap of the week, and handling the bug triage.
>> - After the meeting we would ask who is volunteer to run next
>> meeting, and if none, a meeting char will be selected amongst core
>> contributors at random.
>>
>> Thank you for your understanding.
>>
>> Jean-Philippe Evrard (evrardjp)
>>
>
> I will gladly pick up my well-used meeting chair hat.
> It's a great idea, I think it would help make our meetings more productive.
> Once you've been chair you have a different view of how the meetings work.
>
> Andy
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-ansible] Implement rotations for meetings handling

[Andy McCrae]

>
>
> Now that we are all part-time, I'd like to toy with a new idea,
> proposed in the past by Jesse, to rotate the duties with people who
> are involved in OSA, or want to get involved more (it's not restricted
> to core developers!).
>
> One of the first duties to be handled this way could be the weekly meeting.
>
> Handling the meeting is not that hard, it just takes time to prepare,
> and to facilitate.
>
> I think everyone should step into this, not only core developers, but
> core developers are now expected to run the meetings when their turn
> comes.
>
>
> What are the actions to take:
> - Prepare the triage. Generate the list of the bugs for the week.
> - Ping people with the triage links around 1h before the weekly
> meeting. It would give them time to get prepared for meeting,
> eventually updating the agenda, and read the current bugs
> - Ping people at the beginning of the meeting
> - Chair the meeting: The structure of the meeting is now always
> the same, a recap of the week, and handling the bug triage.
> - After the meeting we would ask who is volunteer to run next
> meeting, and if none, a meeting char will be selected amongst core
> contributors at random.
>
> Thank you for your understanding.
>
> Jean-Philippe Evrard (evrardjp)
>

I will gladly pick up my well-used meeting chair hat.
It's a great idea, I think it would help make our meetings more productive.
Once you've been chair you have a different view of how the meetings work.

Andy
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Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-ansible] Implement rotations for meetings handling

[Marc Gariepy]

Also +1.__
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Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-ansible] Implement rotations for meetings handling

[Doug Hellmann]

Excerpts from Jean-Philippe Evrard's message of 2018-05-02 17:14:07 +0200:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Now that we are all part-time, I'd like to toy with a new idea,
> proposed in the past by Jesse, to rotate the duties with people who
> are involved in OSA, or want to get involved more (it's not restricted
> to core developers!).
> 
> One of the first duties to be handled this way could be the weekly meeting.
> 
> Handling the meeting is not that hard, it just takes time to prepare,
> and to facilitate.
> 
> I think everyone should step into this, not only core developers, but
> core developers are now expected to run the meetings when their turn
> comes.
> 
> 
> What are the actions to take:
> - Prepare the triage. Generate the list of the bugs for the week.
> - Ping people with the triage links around 1h before the weekly
> meeting. It would give them time to get prepared for meeting,
> eventually updating the agenda, and read the current bugs
> - Ping people at the beginning of the meeting
> - Chair the meeting: The structure of the meeting is now always
> the same, a recap of the week, and handling the bug triage.
> - After the meeting we would ask who is volunteer to run next
> meeting, and if none, a meeting char will be selected amongst core
> contributors at random.
> 
> Thank you for your understanding.
> 
> Jean-Philippe Evrard (evrardjp)
> 

This is a great idea for sharing the load of organizing the team!

Doug

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Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-ansible] Implement rotations for meetings handling

[Jimmy McCrory]

+1 good idea

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:09 AM, Amy Marrich  wrote:

> +1, leading meetings is a great way to get folks involved in the Community
> and gives them some 'ownership' within the project.
>
> Amy (spotz)
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Jean-Philippe Evrard <
> jean-phili...@evrard.me> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Now that we are all part-time, I'd like to toy with a new idea,
>> proposed in the past by Jesse, to rotate the duties with people who
>> are involved in OSA, or want to get involved more (it's not restricted
>> to core developers!).
>>
>> One of the first duties to be handled this way could be the weekly
>> meeting.
>>
>> Handling the meeting is not that hard, it just takes time to prepare,
>> and to facilitate.
>>
>> I think everyone should step into this, not only core developers, but
>> core developers are now expected to run the meetings when their turn
>> comes.
>>
>>
>> What are the actions to take:
>> - Prepare the triage. Generate the list of the bugs for the week.
>> - Ping people with the triage links around 1h before the weekly
>> meeting. It would give them time to get prepared for meeting,
>> eventually updating the agenda, and read the current bugs
>> - Ping people at the beginning of the meeting
>> - Chair the meeting: The structure of the meeting is now always
>> the same, a recap of the week, and handling the bug triage.
>> - After the meeting we would ask who is volunteer to run next
>> meeting, and if none, a meeting char will be selected amongst core
>> contributors at random.
>>
>> Thank you for your understanding.
>>
>> Jean-Philippe Evrard (evrardjp)
>>
>> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-ansible] Implement rotations for meetings handling

[Amy Marrich]

+1, leading meetings is a great way to get folks involved in the Community
and gives them some 'ownership' within the project.

Amy (spotz)

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Jean-Philippe Evrard <
jean-phili...@evrard.me> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Now that we are all part-time, I'd like to toy with a new idea,
> proposed in the past by Jesse, to rotate the duties with people who
> are involved in OSA, or want to get involved more (it's not restricted
> to core developers!).
>
> One of the first duties to be handled this way could be the weekly meeting.
>
> Handling the meeting is not that hard, it just takes time to prepare,
> and to facilitate.
>
> I think everyone should step into this, not only core developers, but
> core developers are now expected to run the meetings when their turn
> comes.
>
>
> What are the actions to take:
> - Prepare the triage. Generate the list of the bugs for the week.
> - Ping people with the triage links around 1h before the weekly
> meeting. It would give them time to get prepared for meeting,
> eventually updating the agenda, and read the current bugs
> - Ping people at the beginning of the meeting
> - Chair the meeting: The structure of the meeting is now always
> the same, a recap of the week, and handling the bug triage.
> - After the meeting we would ask who is volunteer to run next
> meeting, and if none, a meeting char will be selected amongst core
> contributors at random.
>
> Thank you for your understanding.
>
> Jean-Philippe Evrard (evrardjp)
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-ansible] Implement rotations for meetings handling

[David Wilde]

I am definitely +1 on this, I think it's a great idea.

Thanks,

Dave Wilde (d34dh0r53)

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:27 AM Mohammed Naser  wrote:

> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Jean-Philippe Evrard
>  wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Now that we are all part-time, I'd like to toy with a new idea,
> > proposed in the past by Jesse, to rotate the duties with people who
> > are involved in OSA, or want to get involved more (it's not restricted
> > to core developers!).
> >
> > One of the first duties to be handled this way could be the weekly
> meeting.
>
> +1
>
> I think that's something that we can share amongst us as a responsibility
> and
> take turns doing.
>
> > Handling the meeting is not that hard, it just takes time to prepare,
> > and to facilitate.
> >
> > I think everyone should step into this, not only core developers, but
> > core developers are now expected to run the meetings when their turn
> > comes.
> >
> >
> > What are the actions to take:
> > - Prepare the triage. Generate the list of the bugs for the week.
> > - Ping people with the triage links around 1h before the weekly
> > meeting. It would give them time to get prepared for meeting,
> > eventually updating the agenda, and read the current bugs
> > - Ping people at the beginning of the meeting
> > - Chair the meeting: The structure of the meeting is now always
> > the same, a recap of the week, and handling the bug triage.
> > - After the meeting we would ask who is volunteer to run next
> > meeting, and if none, a meeting char will be selected amongst core
> > contributors at random.
> >
> > Thank you for your understanding.
> >
> > Jean-Philippe Evrard (evrardjp)
> >
> >
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Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack-ansible] Implement rotations for meetings handling

[Mohammed Naser]

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Jean-Philippe Evrard
 wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Now that we are all part-time, I'd like to toy with a new idea,
> proposed in the past by Jesse, to rotate the duties with people who
> are involved in OSA, or want to get involved more (it's not restricted
> to core developers!).
>
> One of the first duties to be handled this way could be the weekly meeting.

+1

I think that's something that we can share amongst us as a responsibility and
take turns doing.

> Handling the meeting is not that hard, it just takes time to prepare,
> and to facilitate.
>
> I think everyone should step into this, not only core developers, but
> core developers are now expected to run the meetings when their turn
> comes.
>
>
> What are the actions to take:
> - Prepare the triage. Generate the list of the bugs for the week.
> - Ping people with the triage links around 1h before the weekly
> meeting. It would give them time to get prepared for meeting,
> eventually updating the agenda, and read the current bugs
> - Ping people at the beginning of the meeting
> - Chair the meeting: The structure of the meeting is now always
> the same, a recap of the week, and handling the bug triage.
> - After the meeting we would ask who is volunteer to run next
> meeting, and if none, a meeting char will be selected amongst core
> contributors at random.
>
> Thank you for your understanding.
>
> Jean-Philippe Evrard (evrardjp)
>
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[openstack-dev] [openstack-ansible] Implement rotations for meetings handling

[Jean-Philippe Evrard]

Hello everyone,

Now that we are all part-time, I'd like to toy with a new idea,
proposed in the past by Jesse, to rotate the duties with people who
are involved in OSA, or want to get involved more (it's not restricted
to core developers!).

One of the first duties to be handled this way could be the weekly meeting.

Handling the meeting is not that hard, it just takes time to prepare,
and to facilitate.

I think everyone should step into this, not only core developers, but
core developers are now expected to run the meetings when their turn
comes.


What are the actions to take:
- Prepare the triage. Generate the list of the bugs for the week.
- Ping people with the triage links around 1h before the weekly
meeting. It would give them time to get prepared for meeting,
eventually updating the agenda, and read the current bugs
- Ping people at the beginning of the meeting
- Chair the meeting: The structure of the meeting is now always
the same, a recap of the week, and handling the bug triage.
- After the meeting we would ask who is volunteer to run next
meeting, and if none, a meeting char will be selected amongst core
contributors at random.

Thank you for your understanding.

Jean-Philippe Evrard (evrardjp)

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