Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Fox, Kevin M]

This kind of thing happens all the time, and usually its not reasonable to 
enforce across different types of things. Especially since neutrons a type of 
space/science thing and so is nova, from which it spawned. I think its highly 
unlikely that someone will confuse the software and the commic character.

And in todays day and age it is basically impossibe to use a word and not find 
something that exists already. Its hard enough in the software world not to 
with another piece of software, let alone a commic book character that a lot of 
folks never have heard of.

Its unreasonable to rename neutron again and imho it will make marvel look bad 
to try and force it through.

Thanks,
Kevin


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Dear Neutrinos,

We've been following the project for quite some time.
To our satisfaction the project seems to have done well; the base line of
features that were available to the networking component of OpenStack
(then nova-network) has grown quite a bit and seem to have gained a
successful momentum with the communities, both development and
operators.

However, Neutron appears to be a trademarked name [1], and
after thoroughly discussing the issue with our and Marvel' legal departments
both sides have reached the conclusion that a naming scheme is an obligatory 
amendment and unfortunately is the only viable option.

An obvious resolution to this issue is reverting the old "Quantum" name back.
However, this is subject to change and review from the PTL and as such, we'll 
shortly propose a relevant change to the review system.
We anticipate the review process to be be swift, to avoid further legal 
implications.

Sincerely,
Jimmy J. Akin,
CIO,John F. Kennedy Space Center.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_(Marvel_Comics)


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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Doug Wiegley]

I vote for “Big Giant Pencil”.  We can call it BGP for short.

doug

> On Apr 1, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Sean M. Collins  wrote:
> 
> I for one, have grown fond of "Mutnauq" while doing the DevStack neutron
> re-write ;)
> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Sean M. Collins]

I for one, have grown fond of "Mutnauq" while doing the DevStack neutron
re-write ;)


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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Stephen Wong]

Wait... is this April's Fool?

(hard to believe project name change resulting from name clashing with a
Marvel comic character)

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Carl Baldwin  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:24 AM, Ihar Hrachyshka 
> wrote:
> > We could play words, like Quantron or Neutrum. Actually, it makes perfect
> > sense to me, since the change to rename all project name references will
> be
> > half the size of the proposed solution, and may even save us some git
> > conflicts, assuming we hack Gerrit to use word-based conflict merging
> > engine.
>
> Quantron!  I like it.  :)
>
> Carl
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Carl Baldwin]

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:24 AM, Ihar Hrachyshka  wrote:
> We could play words, like Quantron or Neutrum. Actually, it makes perfect
> sense to me, since the change to rename all project name references will be
> half the size of the proposed solution, and may even save us some git
> conflicts, assuming we hack Gerrit to use word-based conflict merging
> engine.

Quantron!  I like it.  :)

Carl

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Edgar Magana]

BTW. This is my proposal design for this summit t-shirts:

Yes, I run overcomplicated virtual networking in my Cloud

nova-network
quantum
neutron
nova-network ...
neutron
quantum

of course, after a few changes!

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On 31 March 2016 at 22:46, Jimmy Akin 
<jimmya...@rambler.ru<mailto:jimmya...@rambler.ru>> wrote:

Dear Neutrinos,

We've been following the project for quite some time.
To our satisfaction the project seems to have done well; the base line of
features that were available to the networking component of OpenStack
(then nova-network) has grown quite a bit and seem to have gained a
successful momentum with the communities, both development and
operators.

However, Neutron appears to be a trademarked name [1], and after thoroughly 
discussing the issue with our and Marvel' legal departments
both sides have reached the conclusion that a naming scheme is an obligatory 
amendment and unfortunately is the only viable option.

An obvious resolution to this issue is reverting the old "Quantum" name back.
However, this is subject to change and review from the PTL and as such, we'll 
shortly propose a relevant change to the review system.
We anticipate the review process to be be swift, to avoid further legal 
implications.

To be perfectly honest with you, I always liked the 'Quantum' name more.

With the ongoing release cycle called 'Newton', my hatred for the 'Neutron' 
name has increased, since I keep mispronouncing with 'Neutron' and vice versa.

Therefore I can't express my gratitude enough for this well timed proposal. You 
got my +2, though you got get behind governance change [1] first.

Happy hacking!
Armando,
Quantum (formerly known as Newton) PTL

[1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300274/


Sincerely,
Jimmy J. Akin,
CIO,John F. Kennedy Space Center.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_(Marvel_Comics)


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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Edgar Magana]

Let’s keep the name and wait for the movie where we all become the bad guys! 

Edgar




On 3/31/16, 10:46 PM, "Jimmy Akin"  wrote:

>
>Dear Neutrinos,
>
>We've been following the project for quite some time.
>To our satisfaction the project seems to have done well; the base line of
>features that were available to the networking component of OpenStack
>(then nova-network) has grown quite a bit and seem to have gained a
>successful momentum with the communities, both development and
>operators.
>
>However, Neutron appears to be a trademarked name [1], and 
>after thoroughly discussing the issue with our and Marvel' legal departments
>both sides have reached the conclusion that a naming scheme is an obligatory 
>amendment and unfortunately is the only viable option.
>
>An obvious resolution to this issue is reverting the old "Quantum" name back.
>However, this is subject to change and review from the PTL and as such, we'll 
>shortly propose a relevant change to the review system.
>We anticipate the review process to be be swift, to avoid further legal 
>implications.
>
>Sincerely,
>Jimmy J. Akin,
>CIO,John F. Kennedy Space Center.
>
>[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_(Marvel_Comics)
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Morales, Victor]

Jim, 

Did you verify with Marvel if it's possible to keep the name and use
his hero. In that way we could be the first OpenStack project to have
one.

Victor Morales

On Fri, 2016-04-01 at 08:46 +0300, Jimmy Akin wrote:
> Dear Neutrinos,
> 
> We've been following the project for quite some time.
> To our satisfaction the project seems to have done well; the base
> line of
> features that were available to the networking component of OpenStack
> (then nova-network) has grown quite a bit and seem to have gained a
> successful momentum with the communities, both development and
> operators.
> 
> However, Neutron appears to be a trademarked name [1], and 
> after thoroughly discussing the issue with our and Marvel' legal
> departments
> both sides have reached the conclusion that a naming scheme is an
> obligatory amendment and unfortunately is the only viable option.
> 
> An obvious resolution to this issue is reverting the old "Quantum"
> name back.
> However, this is subject to change and review from the PTL and as
> such, we'll shortly propose a relevant change to the review system.
> We anticipate the review process to be be swift, to avoid further
> legal implications.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Jimmy J. Akin,
> CIO,John F. Kennedy Space Center.
> 
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_(Marvel_Comics)
> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Maish Saidel-Keesing]

On 04/01/16 12:38, Ihar Hrachyshka wrote:
> Alexander Kostrikov  wrote:
>
>> What about Netrone?
>
> That could be a good one but it may also be a violation:
> http://www.infomoby.et/en/profile/netrone_networks_plc/64213
>
> One idea I had in my mind for a while is using some alternative
> alphabet for project naming. Ideally for some language that is not so
> popular as English. In case of Neutron, a name like ‘Нетронь’ could be
> a good fit and would even better reflect maturity the project achieved
> throughout all those years, iykwim.
I can almost guarantee that if you use Hebrew letters then it will be a
safe bet.
ניוטרון
But on the other hand - no-one would know how to read/pronounce it
:)
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Ihar Hrachyshka]

Alexander Kostrikov  wrote:


What about Netrone?


That could be a good one but it may also be a violation:  
http://www.infomoby.et/en/profile/netrone_networks_plc/64213


One idea I had in my mind for a while is using some alternative alphabet  
for project naming. Ideally for some language that is not so popular as  
English. In case of Neutron, a name like ‘Нетронь’ could be a good fit and  
would even better reflect maturity the project achieved throughout all  
those years, iykwim.


Ihar

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Alexander Kostrikov]

What about Netrone?

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Ihar Hrachyshka 
wrote:

> Akihiro Motoki  wrote:
>
> IIRC 'Quantum' was renamed to 'Neutron' due to the trademark issue.
>> I don't think reverting it to 'Quantum' resolves the issue.
>> When we chose a new name, the foundation checked the legal/trademark
>> issue,
>> so I think it is better to contact the OpenStack foundation or discuss
>> it in the legal-discuss ML.
>>
>> "Newton" release of "neutron" is confusing though :(
>>
>
> We could play words, like Quantron or Neutrum. Actually, it makes perfect
> sense to me, since the change to rename all project name references will be
> half the size of the proposed solution, and may even save us some git
> conflicts, assuming we hack Gerrit to use word-based conflict merging
> engine.
>
> Ihar
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Ihar Hrachyshka]

Akihiro Motoki  wrote:


IIRC 'Quantum' was renamed to 'Neutron' due to the trademark issue.
I don't think reverting it to 'Quantum' resolves the issue.
When we chose a new name, the foundation checked the legal/trademark issue,
so I think it is better to contact the OpenStack foundation or discuss
it in the legal-discuss ML.

"Newton" release of "neutron" is confusing though :(


We could play words, like Quantron or Neutrum. Actually, it makes perfect  
sense to me, since the change to rename all project name references will be  
half the size of the proposed solution, and may even save us some git  
conflicts, assuming we hack Gerrit to use word-based conflict merging  
engine.


Ihar

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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Andrea Frittoli]

LoL good one :)

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 6:47 AM Jimmy Akin  wrote:

>
> Dear Neutrinos,
>
> We've been following the project for quite some time.
> To our satisfaction the project seems to have done well; the base line of
> features that were available to the networking component of OpenStack
> (then nova-network) has grown quite a bit and seem to have gained a
> successful momentum with the communities, both development and
> operators.
>
> However, Neutron appears to be a trademarked name [1], and
> after thoroughly discussing the issue with our and Marvel' legal
> departments
> both sides have reached the conclusion that a naming scheme is an
> obligatory amendment and unfortunately is the only viable option.
>
> An obvious resolution to this issue is reverting the old "Quantum" name
> back.
> However, this is subject to change and review from the PTL and as such,
> we'll shortly propose a relevant change to the review system.
> We anticipate the review process to be be swift, to avoid further legal
> implications.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jimmy J. Akin,
> CIO,John F. Kennedy Space Center.
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_(Marvel_Comics)
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Hirofumi Ichihara]

We should go back to our roots so it's better to rename "Neutron" to 
"Nova Network".


Thanks,
Hirofumi

On 2016/04/01 15:24, Akihiro Motoki wrote:

IIRC 'Quantum' was renamed to 'Neutron' due to the trademark issue.
I don't think reverting it to 'Quantum' resolves the issue.
When we chose a new name, the foundation checked the legal/trademark issue,
so I think it is better to contact the OpenStack foundation or discuss
it in the legal-discuss ML.

"Newton" release of "neutron" is confusing though :(

Akihiro

2016-04-01 14:46 GMT+09:00 Jimmy Akin :

Dear Neutrinos,

We've been following the project for quite some time.
To our satisfaction the project seems to have done well; the base line of
features that were available to the networking component of OpenStack
(then nova-network) has grown quite a bit and seem to have gained a
successful momentum with the communities, both development and
operators.

However, Neutron appears to be a trademarked name [1], and after thoroughly
discussing the issue with our and Marvel' legal departments
both sides have reached the conclusion that a naming scheme is an obligatory
amendment and unfortunately is the only viable option.

An obvious resolution to this issue is reverting the old "Quantum" name
back.
However, this is subject to change and review from the PTL and as such,
we'll shortly propose a relevant change to the review system.
We anticipate the review process to be be swift, to avoid further legal
implications.

Sincerely,
Jimmy J. Akin,
CIO,John F. Kennedy Space Center.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_(Marvel_Comics)


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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Akihiro Motoki]

IIRC 'Quantum' was renamed to 'Neutron' due to the trademark issue.
I don't think reverting it to 'Quantum' resolves the issue.
When we chose a new name, the foundation checked the legal/trademark issue,
so I think it is better to contact the OpenStack foundation or discuss
it in the legal-discuss ML.

"Newton" release of "neutron" is confusing though :(

Akihiro

2016-04-01 14:46 GMT+09:00 Jimmy Akin :
>
> Dear Neutrinos,
>
> We've been following the project for quite some time.
> To our satisfaction the project seems to have done well; the base line of
> features that were available to the networking component of OpenStack
> (then nova-network) has grown quite a bit and seem to have gained a
> successful momentum with the communities, both development and
> operators.
>
> However, Neutron appears to be a trademarked name [1], and after thoroughly
> discussing the issue with our and Marvel' legal departments
> both sides have reached the conclusion that a naming scheme is an obligatory
> amendment and unfortunately is the only viable option.
>
> An obvious resolution to this issue is reverting the old "Quantum" name
> back.
> However, this is subject to change and review from the PTL and as such,
> we'll shortly propose a relevant change to the review system.
> We anticipate the review process to be be swift, to avoid further legal
> implications.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jimmy J. Akin,
> CIO,John F. Kennedy Space Center.
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_(Marvel_Comics)
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[reedip banerjee]

Wont that change Neutrinos to Quantum-states /Quantumites.
And not to ponder too much but [1] is just for reference, in case we would
like to avoid any future issues

[1] : http://www.quantum.com/terms/index.aspx


On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Armando M.  wrote:

>
>
> On 31 March 2016 at 22:46, Jimmy Akin  wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Neutrinos,
>>
>> We've been following the project for quite some time.
>> To our satisfaction the project seems to have done well; the base line of
>> features that were available to the networking component of OpenStack
>> (then nova-network) has grown quite a bit and seem to have gained a
>> successful momentum with the communities, both development and
>> operators.
>>
>> However, Neutron appears to be a trademarked name [1], and after
>> thoroughly discussing the issue with our and Marvel' legal departments
>> both sides have reached the conclusion that a naming scheme is an
>> obligatory amendment and unfortunately is the only viable option.
>>
>> An obvious resolution to this issue is reverting the old "Quantum" name
>> back.
>> However, this is subject to change and review from the PTL and as such,
>> we'll shortly propose a relevant change to the review system.
>> We anticipate the review process to be be swift, to avoid further legal
>> implications.
>>
>
> To be perfectly honest with you, I always liked the 'Quantum' name more.
>
> With the ongoing release cycle called 'Newton', my hatred for the
> 'Neutron' name has increased, since I keep mispronouncing with 'Neutron'
> and vice versa.
>
> Therefore I can't express my gratitude enough for this well timed
> proposal. You got my +2, though you got get behind governance change [1]
> first.
>
> Happy hacking!
> Armando,
> Quantum (formerly known as Newton) PTL
>
> [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300274/
>
>
>> Sincerely,
>> Jimmy J. Akin,
>> CIO,John F. Kennedy Space Center.
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_(Marvel_Comics)
>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Armando M.]

On 31 March 2016 at 22:46, Jimmy Akin  wrote:

>
> Dear Neutrinos,
>
> We've been following the project for quite some time.
> To our satisfaction the project seems to have done well; the base line of
> features that were available to the networking component of OpenStack
> (then nova-network) has grown quite a bit and seem to have gained a
> successful momentum with the communities, both development and
> operators.
>
> However, Neutron appears to be a trademarked name [1], and after
> thoroughly discussing the issue with our and Marvel' legal departments
> both sides have reached the conclusion that a naming scheme is an
> obligatory amendment and unfortunately is the only viable option.
>
> An obvious resolution to this issue is reverting the old "Quantum" name
> back.
> However, this is subject to change and review from the PTL and as such,
> we'll shortly propose a relevant change to the review system.
> We anticipate the review process to be be swift, to avoid further legal
> implications.
>

To be perfectly honest with you, I always liked the 'Quantum' name more.

With the ongoing release cycle called 'Newton', my hatred for the 'Neutron'
name has increased, since I keep mispronouncing with 'Neutron' and vice
versa.

Therefore I can't express my gratitude enough for this well timed proposal.
You got my +2, though you got get behind governance change [1] first.

Happy hacking!
Armando,
Quantum (formerly known as Newton) PTL

[1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300274/


> Sincerely,
> Jimmy J. Akin,
> CIO,John F. Kennedy Space Center.
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> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_(Marvel_Comics)
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[openstack-dev] [neutron]: Neutron naming legal issues

[Jimmy Akin]

Dear Neutrinos,

We've been following the project for quite some time.
To our satisfaction the project seems to have done well; the base line of
features that were available to the networking component of OpenStack
(then nova-network) has grown quite a bit and seem to have gained a
successful momentum with the communities, both development and
operators.

However, Neutron appears to be a trademarked name [1], and 
after thoroughly discussing the issue with our and Marvel' legal departments

both sides have reached the conclusion that a naming scheme is an obligatory 
amendment and unfortunately is the only viable option.

An obvious resolution to this issue is reverting the old "Quantum" name back.
However, this is subject to change and review from the PTL and as such, we'll 
shortly propose a relevant change to the review system.
We anticipate the review process to be be swift, to avoid further legal 
implications.

Sincerely,
Jimmy J. Akin,
CIO,    John F. Kennedy Space Center.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_(Marvel_Comics)


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