Re: [openstack-dev] Generic question: Any tips for 'keeping up' with the mailing lists?
On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 16:23 +, Justin Hammond wrote: I am a developer who is currently having troubles keeping up with the mailing list due to volume, and my inability to organize it in my client. I am nearly forced to use Outlook 2011 for Mac and I have read and attempted to implement https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette but it is still a lot to deal with. I read once a topic or wiki page on using X-Topics but I have no idea how to set that in outlook (google has told me that the feature was removed). I'm not sure if this is a valid place for this question, but I *am* having difficulty as a developer. Thank you for anyone who takes the time to read this. I currently use the same technique I used to use with LKML (Linux Kernel Mailing List) before we (finally) got subject specific lists and I could just subscribe to those instead. The essential requirement is to have a threaded mail reader with a mark thread read function. I use evolution where this is ctrl-H ctrl-K. I skip through the threads marking those I'm not interested in as read. Sometimes I do this by subject other times by skimming the thread head email. When I'm finished, everything I didn't skip as read is usually the interesting stuff. Threads I'm really interested in, I tag with an imap flag which I have an evolution search folder set on for flag+children (and which pops up into my mail notification window), so I see immediately any activity on interesting threads. I also use procmail on the mail server with a set of heuristics mostly on subject for things I may be interested in, these get flagged as well, so they appear in my email notifications in evolution. Likewise, things I'm definitely not interested in get tagged as read by the heuristics. The procmail thing is server side and means you need a sophisticated mail server, but anything that runs Linux should have sieve which should be able to do this (not sure about gmail, because I've never used it). James ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Generic question: Any tips for 'keeping up' with the mailing lists?
On 12/12/13 17:52 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Russell Bryant wrote: On 12/12/2013 11:23 AM, Justin Hammond wrote: I am a developer who is currently having troubles keeping up with the mailing list due to volume, and my inability to organize it in my client. I am nearly forced to use Outlook 2011 for Mac and I have read and attempted to implement https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette but it is still a lot to deal with. I read once a topic or wiki page on using X-Topics but I have no idea how to set that in outlook (google has told me that the feature was removed). I'm not sure if this is a valid place for this question, but I *am* having difficulty as a developer. Thank you for anyone who takes the time to read this. The trick is defining what keeping up means for you. I doubt anyone reads everything. I certainly don't. First, I filter all of openstack-dev into its own folder. I'm sure others filter more aggressively based on topic, but I don't since I know I may be interested in threads in any of the topics. Figure out what filtering works for you. I scan subjects for the threads I'd probably be most interested in. While I'm scanning, I'm first looking for topic tags, like [Nova], then I read the subject and decide whether I want to dive in and read the rest. It happens very quickly, but that's roughly my thought process. With whatever is left over: mark all as read. :-) I used to have headaches keeping up with openstack-dev, but now I follow something very similar to what Russell describes. In addition I use starring to mark threads I want to follow more closely, for quick retrieval. The most useful tip I can give you: accept that you can't be reading everything, and that there are things that may happen in OpenStack that you can't control. I've been involved with OpenStack since the beginning, and part of my job was to be aware of everything. With the explosive growth of the project, that doesn't scale that well. Since I started ignoring stuff (and marking thread read and marking folder read as necessary) I end up being able to start doing some useful work mid-morning (rather than mid-afternoon). FWIW, I do the exact same thing mentioned above! 1- Open the openstack-dev folder 2- Filter by the projects I'm contributing the most 3- Then filter by TC / ALL / OSSN etc 4- The quick look at other subjects 5- Finally, mark all as read. I'm pretty sure you can do this with most of the known email clients out there. FWIW, I'm using mutt+offlineimap+notmuch Cheers, FF -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco pgpfR90Utq2wt.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] Generic question: Any tips for 'keeping up' with the mailing lists?
I am a developer who is currently having troubles keeping up with the mailing list due to volume, and my inability to organize it in my client. I am nearly forced to use Outlook 2011 for Mac and I have read and attempted to implement https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette but it is still a lot to deal with. I read once a topic or wiki page on using X-Topics but I have no idea how to set that in outlook (google has told me that the feature was removed). I'm not sure if this is a valid place for this question, but I *am* having difficulty as a developer. Thank you for anyone who takes the time to read this. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Generic question: Any tips for 'keeping up' with the mailing lists?
On 12/12/2013 11:23 AM, Justin Hammond wrote: I am a developer who is currently having troubles keeping up with the mailing list due to volume, and my inability to organize it in my client. I am nearly forced to use Outlook 2011 for Mac and I have read and attempted to implement https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette but it is still a lot to deal with. I read once a topic or wiki page on using X-Topics but I have no idea how to set that in outlook (google has told me that the feature was removed). I'm not sure if this is a valid place for this question, but I *am* having difficulty as a developer. Thank you for anyone who takes the time to read this. The trick is defining what keeping up means for you. I doubt anyone reads everything. I certainly don't. First, I filter all of openstack-dev into its own folder. I'm sure others filter more aggressively based on topic, but I don't since I know I may be interested in threads in any of the topics. Figure out what filtering works for you. I scan subjects for the threads I'd probably be most interested in. While I'm scanning, I'm first looking for topic tags, like [Nova], then I read the subject and decide whether I want to dive in and read the rest. It happens very quickly, but that's roughly my thought process. With whatever is left over: mark all as read. :-) -- Russell Bryant ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Generic question: Any tips for 'keeping up' with the mailing lists?
Excerpts from Justin Hammond's message of 2013-12-12 08:23:24 -0800: I am a developer who is currently having troubles keeping up with the mailing list due to volume, and my inability to organize it in my client. I am nearly forced to use Outlook 2011 for Mac and I have read and attempted to implement https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette but it is still a lot to deal with. I read once a topic or wiki page on using X-Topics but I have no idea how to set that in outlook (google has told me that the feature was removed). Justin I'm sorry that the volume is catching up with you. I have a highly optimized email-list-reading work-flow using sup-mail and a few filters, and I still spend 2 hours a day sifting through all of the lists I am on (not just openstack lists). It is worth it to keep aware and to avoid duplicating efforts, even if it means I have to hit the kill this thread button a lot. Whomever is forcing you to use this broken client, I suggest that you explain to them your situation. It is the reason for your problems. Note that you can just subscribe to the list from a different address than you post from, and configure a good e-mail client like Thunderbird to set your From: address so that you still are representing your organization the way you'd like to. So if it is just a mail server thing, that is one way around it. Also the setup I use makes use of offlineimap, which can filter things for you, so if you have IMAP access to your inbox, you can use that and then just configure your client for local access (I believe Thunderbird even supports a local Maildir mode). Anyway, you _MUST_ have a threaded email client that quotes well for replies. If not, I'm afraid it will remain unnecessarily difficult to participate on this list. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
