Re: [openstack-dev] Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation
Hi all, Where are we going to meet for this meeting at 1:00 pm today? -Original Message- From: Robert Li (baoli) [mailto:ba...@cisco.com] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:52 PM To: Sandhya Dasu (sadasu); Brent Eagles; Steve Gordon Cc: Dan Smith; OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions); John Garbutt; Russell Bryant; yunhong-jiang; Itzik Brown; Yongli He; Jay Pipes; Irena Berezovsky Subject: Re: Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation the program pods area should be open. On 5/9/14, 3:33 PM, Sandhya Dasu (sadasu) sad...@cisco.com wrote: I have no idea, how to pick a location. Should we meet at the Cisco booth at 1pm and then take it from there? Any other ideas? Thanks, sandhya On 5/9/14 3:17 PM, Brent Eagles beag...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/05/14 04:21 PM, Sandhya Dasu (sadasu) wrote: Thanks for all your replies. Thanks for the great inputs on how to frame the discussion in the etherpad so it becomes easier for people to get on board. We will add author indent to track the source of the changes. Will work on cleaning that up. Regarding the session itself, as you probably know, there was an attempt in Icehouse to get the sr-iov work going. We found that the time allotted for the session was not sufficient to get to all the use cases and discuss alternate views. This time around we want to be better prepared and so would like to keep only a couple of open times for the actual session. Hence, the request for the early meeting. How does Monday 1pm sound? Thanks, Sandhya That time is good with me. Cheers, Brent ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation
Developer Lounge at 1 PM today!! Thanks, Sandhya On 5/12/14 10:23 AM, Irena Berezovsky ire...@mellanox.com wrote: Hi all, Where are we going to meet for this meeting at 1:00 pm today? -Original Message- From: Robert Li (baoli) [mailto:ba...@cisco.com] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:52 PM To: Sandhya Dasu (sadasu); Brent Eagles; Steve Gordon Cc: Dan Smith; OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions); John Garbutt; Russell Bryant; yunhong-jiang; Itzik Brown; Yongli He; Jay Pipes; Irena Berezovsky Subject: Re: Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation the program pods area should be open. On 5/9/14, 3:33 PM, Sandhya Dasu (sadasu) sad...@cisco.com wrote: I have no idea, how to pick a location. Should we meet at the Cisco booth at 1pm and then take it from there? Any other ideas? Thanks, sandhya On 5/9/14 3:17 PM, Brent Eagles beag...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/05/14 04:21 PM, Sandhya Dasu (sadasu) wrote: Thanks for all your replies. Thanks for the great inputs on how to frame the discussion in the etherpad so it becomes easier for people to get on board. We will add author indent to track the source of the changes. Will work on cleaning that up. Regarding the session itself, as you probably know, there was an attempt in Icehouse to get the sr-iov work going. We found that the time allotted for the session was not sufficient to get to all the use cases and discuss alternate views. This time around we want to be better prepared and so would like to keep only a couple of open times for the actual session. Hence, the request for the early meeting. How does Monday 1pm sound? Thanks, Sandhya That time is good with me. Cheers, Brent ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation
- Original Message - From: Robert Li (baoli) ba...@cisco.com Subject: Re: Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation This is the one that Irena created: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pci_passthrough_cross_project Thanks, I missed this as it wasn't linked from the design summit Wiki page. -Steve On 5/8/14, 4:33 PM, Steve Gordon sgor...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - It would be nice to have an informal discussion / unconference session before the actual summit session on SR-IOV. During the previous IRC meeting, we were really close to identifying the different use cases. There was a dangling discussion on introducing another level of indirection between the vnic_types exposed via the nova boot API and how it would be represented internally. It would be ideal to have these 2 discussions converged before the summit session. What would be the purpose of doing that before the session? IMHO, a large part of being able to solve this problem is getting everyone up to speed on what this means, what the caveats are, and what we're trying to solve. If we do some of that outside the scope of the larger audience, I expect we'll get less interaction (or end up covering it again) in the session. That said, if there's something I'm missing that needs to be resolved ahead of time, then that's fine, but I expect the best plan is to just keep the discussion to the session. Afterwards, additional things can be discussed in a one-off manner, but getting everyone on the same page is largely the point of having a session in the first place IMHO. Right, in spite of my previous response...looking at the etherpad there is nothing there to frame the discussion at the moment: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-sriov-support I think populating this should be a priority rather than organizing another session/meeting? Steve -- Steve Gordon, RHCE Product Manager, Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform Red Hat Canada (Toronto, Ontario) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation
Thanks for all your replies. Thanks for the great inputs on how to frame the discussion in the etherpad so it becomes easier for people to get on board. We will add author indent to track the source of the changes. Will work on cleaning that up. Regarding the session itself, as you probably know, there was an attempt in Icehouse to get the sr-iov work going. We found that the time allotted for the session was not sufficient to get to all the use cases and discuss alternate views. This time around we want to be better prepared and so would like to keep only a couple of open times for the actual session. Hence, the request for the early meeting. How does Monday 1pm sound? Thanks, Sandhya On 5/9/14 11:44 AM, Steve Gordon sgor...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Li (baoli) ba...@cisco.com Subject: Re: Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation This is the one that Irena created: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pci_passthrough_cross_project Thanks, I missed this as it wasn't linked from the design summit Wiki page. -Steve On 5/8/14, 4:33 PM, Steve Gordon sgor...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - It would be nice to have an informal discussion / unconference session before the actual summit session on SR-IOV. During the previous IRC meeting, we were really close to identifying the different use cases. There was a dangling discussion on introducing another level of indirection between the vnic_types exposed via the nova boot API and how it would be represented internally. It would be ideal to have these 2 discussions converged before the summit session. What would be the purpose of doing that before the session? IMHO, a large part of being able to solve this problem is getting everyone up to speed on what this means, what the caveats are, and what we're trying to solve. If we do some of that outside the scope of the larger audience, I expect we'll get less interaction (or end up covering it again) in the session. That said, if there's something I'm missing that needs to be resolved ahead of time, then that's fine, but I expect the best plan is to just keep the discussion to the session. Afterwards, additional things can be discussed in a one-off manner, but getting everyone on the same page is largely the point of having a session in the first place IMHO. Right, in spite of my previous response...looking at the etherpad there is nothing there to frame the discussion at the moment: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-sriov-support I think populating this should be a priority rather than organizing another session/meeting? Steve -- Steve Gordon, RHCE Product Manager, Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform Red Hat Canada (Toronto, Ontario) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation
It sounds good to me. Thanks Sandhya for organizing it. ‹Robert On 5/9/14, 2:51 PM, Sandhya Dasu (sadasu) sad...@cisco.com wrote: Thanks for all your replies. Thanks for the great inputs on how to frame the discussion in the etherpad so it becomes easier for people to get on board. We will add author indent to track the source of the changes. Will work on cleaning that up. Regarding the session itself, as you probably know, there was an attempt in Icehouse to get the sr-iov work going. We found that the time allotted for the session was not sufficient to get to all the use cases and discuss alternate views. This time around we want to be better prepared and so would like to keep only a couple of open times for the actual session. Hence, the request for the early meeting. How does Monday 1pm sound? Thanks, Sandhya On 5/9/14 11:44 AM, Steve Gordon sgor...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Li (baoli) ba...@cisco.com Subject: Re: Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation This is the one that Irena created: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pci_passthrough_cross_project Thanks, I missed this as it wasn't linked from the design summit Wiki page. -Steve On 5/8/14, 4:33 PM, Steve Gordon sgor...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - It would be nice to have an informal discussion / unconference session before the actual summit session on SR-IOV. During the previous IRC meeting, we were really close to identifying the different use cases. There was a dangling discussion on introducing another level of indirection between the vnic_types exposed via the nova boot API and how it would be represented internally. It would be ideal to have these 2 discussions converged before the summit session. What would be the purpose of doing that before the session? IMHO, a large part of being able to solve this problem is getting everyone up to speed on what this means, what the caveats are, and what we're trying to solve. If we do some of that outside the scope of the larger audience, I expect we'll get less interaction (or end up covering it again) in the session. That said, if there's something I'm missing that needs to be resolved ahead of time, then that's fine, but I expect the best plan is to just keep the discussion to the session. Afterwards, additional things can be discussed in a one-off manner, but getting everyone on the same page is largely the point of having a session in the first place IMHO. Right, in spite of my previous response...looking at the etherpad there is nothing there to frame the discussion at the moment: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-sriov-support I think populating this should be a priority rather than organizing another session/meeting? Steve -- Steve Gordon, RHCE Product Manager, Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform Red Hat Canada (Toronto, Ontario) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation
On 09/05/14 04:21 PM, Sandhya Dasu (sadasu) wrote: Thanks for all your replies. Thanks for the great inputs on how to frame the discussion in the etherpad so it becomes easier for people to get on board. We will add author indent to track the source of the changes. Will work on cleaning that up. Regarding the session itself, as you probably know, there was an attempt in Icehouse to get the sr-iov work going. We found that the time allotted for the session was not sufficient to get to all the use cases and discuss alternate views. This time around we want to be better prepared and so would like to keep only a couple of open times for the actual session. Hence, the request for the early meeting. How does Monday 1pm sound? Thanks, Sandhya That time is good with me. Cheers, Brent ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation
Works for me as well. What would be the meeting place? -Original Message- From: Robert Li (baoli) [mailto:ba...@cisco.com] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:13 PM To: Sandhya Dasu (sadasu); Steve Gordon Cc: Dan Smith; OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions); John Garbutt; Russell Bryant; yunhong-jiang; Itzik Brown; Brent Eagles; Yongli He; Jay Pipes; Irena Berezovsky Subject: Re: Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation It sounds good to me. Thanks Sandhya for organizing it. Robert On 5/9/14, 2:51 PM, Sandhya Dasu (sadasu) sad...@cisco.com wrote: Thanks for all your replies. Thanks for the great inputs on how to frame the discussion in the etherpad so it becomes easier for people to get on board. We will add author indent to track the source of the changes. Will work on cleaning that up. Regarding the session itself, as you probably know, there was an attempt in Icehouse to get the sr-iov work going. We found that the time allotted for the session was not sufficient to get to all the use cases and discuss alternate views. This time around we want to be better prepared and so would like to keep only a couple of open times for the actual session. Hence, the request for the early meeting. How does Monday 1pm sound? Thanks, Sandhya On 5/9/14 11:44 AM, Steve Gordon sgor...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Li (baoli) ba...@cisco.com Subject: Re: Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation This is the one that Irena created: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pci_passthrough_cross_project Thanks, I missed this as it wasn't linked from the design summit Wiki page. -Steve On 5/8/14, 4:33 PM, Steve Gordon sgor...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - It would be nice to have an informal discussion / unconference session before the actual summit session on SR-IOV. During the previous IRC meeting, we were really close to identifying the different use cases. There was a dangling discussion on introducing another level of indirection between the vnic_types exposed via the nova boot API and how it would be represented internally. It would be ideal to have these 2 discussions converged before the summit session. What would be the purpose of doing that before the session? IMHO, a large part of being able to solve this problem is getting everyone up to speed on what this means, what the caveats are, and what we're trying to solve. If we do some of that outside the scope of the larger audience, I expect we'll get less interaction (or end up covering it again) in the session. That said, if there's something I'm missing that needs to be resolved ahead of time, then that's fine, but I expect the best plan is to just keep the discussion to the session. Afterwards, additional things can be discussed in a one-off manner, but getting everyone on the same page is largely the point of having a session in the first place IMHO. Right, in spite of my previous response...looking at the etherpad there is nothing there to frame the discussion at the moment: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-sriov-support I think populating this should be a priority rather than organizing another session/meeting? Steve -- Steve Gordon, RHCE Product Manager, Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform Red Hat Canada (Toronto, Ontario) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation
I have no idea, how to pick a location. Should we meet at the Cisco booth at 1pm and then take it from there? Any other ideas? Thanks, sandhya On 5/9/14 3:17 PM, Brent Eagles beag...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/05/14 04:21 PM, Sandhya Dasu (sadasu) wrote: Thanks for all your replies. Thanks for the great inputs on how to frame the discussion in the etherpad so it becomes easier for people to get on board. We will add author indent to track the source of the changes. Will work on cleaning that up. Regarding the session itself, as you probably know, there was an attempt in Icehouse to get the sr-iov work going. We found that the time allotted for the session was not sufficient to get to all the use cases and discuss alternate views. This time around we want to be better prepared and so would like to keep only a couple of open times for the actual session. Hence, the request for the early meeting. How does Monday 1pm sound? Thanks, Sandhya That time is good with me. Cheers, Brent ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation
Hi, It would be nice to have an informal discussion / unconference session before the actual summit session on SR-IOV. During the previous IRC meeting, we were really close to identifying the different use cases. There was a dangling discussion on introducing another level of indirection between the vnic_types exposed via the nova boot API and how it would be represented internally. It would be ideal to have these 2 discussions converged before the summit session. If you are interested in attending please reply and also add a date and time that would work for you. Thanks, Sandhya ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation
It would be nice to have an informal discussion / unconference session before the actual summit session on SR-IOV. During the previous IRC meeting, we were really close to identifying the different use cases. There was a dangling discussion on introducing another level of indirection between the vnic_types exposed via the nova boot API and how it would be represented internally. It would be ideal to have these 2 discussions converged before the summit session. What would be the purpose of doing that before the session? IMHO, a large part of being able to solve this problem is getting everyone up to speed on what this means, what the caveats are, and what we're trying to solve. If we do some of that outside the scope of the larger audience, I expect we'll get less interaction (or end up covering it again) in the session. That said, if there's something I'm missing that needs to be resolved ahead of time, then that's fine, but I expect the best plan is to just keep the discussion to the session. Afterwards, additional things can be discussed in a one-off manner, but getting everyone on the same page is largely the point of having a session in the first place IMHO. --Dan ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation
- Original Message - It would be nice to have an informal discussion / unconference session before the actual summit session on SR-IOV. During the previous IRC meeting, we were really close to identifying the different use cases. There was a dangling discussion on introducing another level of indirection between the vnic_types exposed via the nova boot API and how it would be represented internally. It would be ideal to have these 2 discussions converged before the summit session. What would be the purpose of doing that before the session? IMHO, a large part of being able to solve this problem is getting everyone up to speed on what this means, what the caveats are, and what we're trying to solve. If we do some of that outside the scope of the larger audience, I expect we'll get less interaction (or end up covering it again) in the session. That said, if there's something I'm missing that needs to be resolved ahead of time, then that's fine, but I expect the best plan is to just keep the discussion to the session. Afterwards, additional things can be discussed in a one-off manner, but getting everyone on the same page is largely the point of having a session in the first place IMHO. Right, in spite of my previous response...looking at the etherpad there is nothing there to frame the discussion at the moment: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-sriov-support I think populating this should be a priority rather than organizing another session/meeting? Steve ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Informal meeting before SR-IOV summit presentation
On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 08:40:01PM +, Robert Li (baoli) wrote: On 5/8/14, 4:33 PM, Steve Gordon sgor...@redhat.com wrote: snip FWIW, it is nice to keep the author of a particular indent level in the message /snip Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: What would be the purpose of doing that before the session? IMHO, a large part of being able to solve this problem is getting everyone up to speed on what this means, what the caveats are, and what we're trying to solve. If we do some of that outside the scope of the larger audience, I expect we'll get less interaction (or end up covering it again) in the session. That said, if there's something I'm missing that needs to be resolved ahead of time, then that's fine, but I expect the best plan is to just keep the discussion to the session. Afterwards, additional things can be discussed in a one-off manner, but getting everyone on the same page is largely the point of having a session in the first place IMHO. Right, in spite of my previous response...looking at the etherpad there is nothing there to frame the discussion at the moment: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-sriov-support I think populating this should be a priority rather than organizing another session/meeting? Steve This is the one that Irena created: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pci_passthrough_cross_project Since the juno etherpad now contains the contents of the other, it seems that someone has cut and pasted. Nice. I think we can frame the discussion topics a little more clearly prior to the session though, so maybe a brief gathering for that purpose would be useful? One goal might be (as I think Dan alludes to) to provide some background and details so the participants of the session can engage in constructive dialogue. Dan provides a good outline: - Introduction - get up to speed What is the most effective way to outline for this particular audience so that they can participate? - What the caveats are. Are these our use cases? In a matter of speaking they are. One of them is also a question that needs answering. - What are we trying to solve? B. C. D. and E.? IMO, if there things we don't agree on at the moment, it is perfectly fine and probably preferable to present the problem and the alternate views (albeit objectively and evenly) in the session. Walking in with unresolved questions and walking out with the same questions is kind of a fail. Walking out with new unresolved questions is, IMO, fine... and probably likely ;) - We probably need to get to the what we are going to do for Juno question for this to be a good win. This could be satisfy use case X and Y and might be distressingly underwhelming or overambitious... this is something else that we might want to talk about as having some idea of what we want to accomplish vis-a-vis use cases and why, a prioritization, etc. is something that could be brought up in a session and discussed. In any case, it goes without saying that coming away from the session with something actionable and acceptable to the community is the ultimate objective. A really strong understanding of what is needed for acceptable nova blueprints for SRIOV (and why we haven't gotten there yet maybe) would be super! If getting together to further prepare for the session is something of interest, I am free on Monday starting late morning. The rest of my schedule is resolving, but I have firm commitments on mid-afternoon Tuesday and Wednesday and will not be available then. Cheers, Brent ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
