Re: [openstack-dev] Pycharm License for OpenStack developers

[Andrew Melton]

Hey Devs,


I'm the guy who's maintained our JetBrains licenses for the past couple of 
years. License philosophy aside, the IDE you choose to use is entirely up to 
you. I'm currently waiting to hear back from JetBrains on the actual license. 
From the sound of it, the opensource license hasn't changed much since last 
year. Originally we had an unlimited license, which made user management 
easier. This year it sounds like we will still have a bulk license, they just 
want an estimation for an initial user count limit, which I've given them. 
They've assured me that we will be able to increase the user limit on the 
license if we hit it.


Once I have the new license, I'll send out an email to the list letting 
everyone know. Please hold off on license requests until then. Unless JetBrains 
demands more strict control, I'll handle everything like I always have. I'll 
just need your launchpad-id to confirm you're actually a contributor, then I'll 
send the license your way.


--Andrew


From: John Griffith <john.griffi...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 3:06 PM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Pycharm License for OpenStack developers



On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Morgan Fainberg 
<morgan.fainb...@gmail.com<mailto:morgan.fainb...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Joshua Harlow 
<harlo...@outlook.com<mailto:harlo...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Anyone know about the impact of:

- https://mmilinkov.wordpress.com/2015/09/04/jetbrains-lockin-we-told-you-so/

- http://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2015/09/03/introducing-jetbrains-toolbox/

I'm pretty sure a lot of openstack-devs are using pycharms, and wonder what 
this change will mean for those devs?

I have historically purchased my own license (because I believed in supporting 
the companies that produce the tools, even though there was a oss-project 
license that I didn't need to pay for).
?Total tangent, but props on purchasing a license to support something you use 
on a regular basis!
?

I am evaluating if I wish to continue with jetbrains based on this change or 
not. They have said they are evaluating the feedback - I'm willing to see what 
the end result will be.

There are other IDE options out there for python and I may consider those. I 
haven't run out my license, I am not sure this is enough to change my POV that 
pycharm is the best option at the moment for my workflow. It was for other 
software I historically purchased (business suites/photo editing) but those 
filled a different space.

How much impact will this make to those pure upstream developers? Very little 
unless jetbrains ceases the opensource project license.

Just my $0.02.

--Morgan


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Re: [openstack-dev] Pycharm License for OpenStack developers

[Dulko, Michal]

> From: Kekane, Abhishek [mailto:abhishek.kek...@nttdata.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:20 AM
> Hi Devs,
> 
> 
> 
> I am using Pycharm for development and current license is about to expire.
> 
> Please let me know if anyone has a new license key for the same.
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> 
> 
> Abhishek


I've applied for the license for OpenStack a moment ago. I'll send an update to 
the ML once I get a response from JetBrains.

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Re: [openstack-dev] Pycharm License for OpenStack developers

[Kekane, Abhishek]

Thank you Michal,

Abhishek

-Original Message-
From: Dulko, Michal [mailto:michal.du...@intel.com] 
Sent: 16 September 2015 15:23
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Pycharm License for OpenStack developers

> From: Kekane, Abhishek [mailto:abhishek.kek...@nttdata.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:20 AM Hi Devs,
> 
> 
> 
> I am using Pycharm for development and current license is about to expire.
> 
> Please let me know if anyone has a new license key for the same.
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> 
> 
> Abhishek


I've applied for the license for OpenStack a moment ago. I'll send an update to 
the ML once I get a response from JetBrains.

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Re: [openstack-dev] Pycharm License for OpenStack developers

[John Griffith]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Morgan Fainberg  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Joshua Harlow 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know about the impact of:
>>
>> -
>> https://mmilinkov.wordpress.com/2015/09/04/jetbrains-lockin-we-told-you-so/
>>
>> -
>> http://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2015/09/03/introducing-jetbrains-toolbox/
>>
>> I'm pretty sure a lot of openstack-devs are using pycharms, and wonder
>> what this change will mean for those devs?
>
>
> I have historically purchased my own license (because I believed in
> supporting the companies that produce the tools, even though there was a
> oss-project license that I didn't need to pay for).
>
​Total tangent, but props on purchasing a license to support something you
use on a regular basis!
​


> I am evaluating if I wish to continue with jetbrains based on this change
> or not. They have said they are evaluating the feedback - I'm willing to
> see what the end result will be.
>
> There are other IDE options out there for python and I may consider those.
> I haven't run out my license, I am not sure this is enough to change my POV
> that pycharm is the best option at the moment for my workflow. It was for
> other software I historically purchased (business suites/photo editing) but
> those filled a different space.
>
> How much impact will this make to those pure upstream developers? Very
> little unless jetbrains ceases the opensource project license.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> --Morgan
>
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] Pycharm License for OpenStack developers

[Joshua Harlow]

Anyone know about the impact of:

- 
https://mmilinkov.wordpress.com/2015/09/04/jetbrains-lockin-we-told-you-so/


- http://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2015/09/03/introducing-jetbrains-toolbox/

I'm pretty sure a lot of openstack-devs are using pycharms, and wonder 
what this change will mean for those devs?


Kekane, Abhishek wrote:

Thank you Michal,

Abhishek

-Original Message-
From: Dulko, Michal [mailto:michal.du...@intel.com]
Sent: 16 September 2015 15:23
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Pycharm License for OpenStack developers


From: Kekane, Abhishek [mailto:abhishek.kek...@nttdata.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:20 AM Hi Devs,



I am using Pycharm for development and current license is about to expire.

Please let me know if anyone has a new license key for the same.



Thank you in advance.



Abhishek



I've applied for the license for OpenStack a moment ago. I'll send an update to 
the ML once I get a response from JetBrains.

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Re: [openstack-dev] Pycharm License for OpenStack developers

[Morgan Fainberg]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Joshua Harlow 
wrote:

> Anyone know about the impact of:
>
> -
> https://mmilinkov.wordpress.com/2015/09/04/jetbrains-lockin-we-told-you-so/
>
> - http://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2015/09/03/introducing-jetbrains-toolbox/
>
> I'm pretty sure a lot of openstack-devs are using pycharms, and wonder
> what this change will mean for those devs?


I have historically purchased my own license (because I believed in
supporting the companies that produce the tools, even though there was a
oss-project license that I didn't need to pay for). I am evaluating if I
wish to continue with jetbrains based on this change or not. They have said
they are evaluating the feedback - I'm willing to see what the end result
will be.

There are other IDE options out there for python and I may consider those.
I haven't run out my license, I am not sure this is enough to change my POV
that pycharm is the best option at the moment for my workflow. It was for
other software I historically purchased (business suites/photo editing) but
those filled a different space.

How much impact will this make to those pure upstream developers? Very
little unless jetbrains ceases the opensource project license.

Just my $0.02.

--Morgan
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Re: [openstack-dev] Pycharm License for OpenStack developers

[Chris Friesen]

On 09/16/2015 12:12 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote:

Anyone know about the impact of:

- https://mmilinkov.wordpress.com/2015/09/04/jetbrains-lockin-we-told-you-so/

- http://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2015/09/03/introducing-jetbrains-toolbox/

I'm pretty sure a lot of openstack-devs are using pycharms, and wonder what this
change will mean for those devs?


The jetbrains blog entry doesn't say anything about the community edition, but 
in the comments they say that it's going to stay around.


Chris

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