Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
11 people have responded so far. Please note that tomorrow is the last day to do the survey. I will close the survey and publish the results sometimes tomorrow night. Regards, -Sam. On 9 במאי 2014, at 15:59, Stephen Balukoff sbaluk...@bluebox.netmailto:sbaluk...@bluebox.net wrote: Sam, That deadline seems reasonable to me. I should have time later today or later this weekend to fill it out. Thanks, Stephen On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Samuel Bercovici samu...@radware.commailto:samu...@radware.com wrote: Hi, 9 people have filled the survey so far. See attached pdf. Regards, -Sam. From: Samuel Bercovici Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 2:51 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi everyone, I think that it is a good feedback to prioritize features. I can publish the results in time for the 2nd LBaaS meeting (so deadline would be end of 15th May “summit time”) Is this acceptable? -Sam. From: Stephen Balukoff [mailto:sbaluk...@bluebox.net] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 2:17 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Samuel-- I've been heads down working on API proposal review documentation, and haven't had time to fill it out yet. Do you have a deadline by which we should have filled out the survey to get our voices heard? Thanks, Stephen On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Samuel Bercovici samu...@radware.commailto:samu...@radware.com wrote: 6 people have completed the survey so far. From: Samuel Bercovici Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 10:56 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone, The survey is now live via: http://eSurv.org?u=lbaas_project_user The password is: lbaas The survey includes all the tenant facing use cases from https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ewl95yxAMq2fO0Z6Dz6fL-w2FScERQXQR1-mXuSINis/edit?usp=sharing Please try and fill the survey this week so we can have enough information to base decisions next week. Regards, -Sam. From: Samuel Bercovici Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 4:52 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi, I will not freeze the document to allow people to work on requirements which are not tenant facing (ex: operator, etc.) I think that we have enough use cases for tenant facing capabilities to reflect most common use cases. I am in the process of creation a survey in surveymonkey for tenant facing use cases and hope to send it to ML ASAP. Regards, -Sam. From: Samuel Bercovici Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 8:40 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Cc: Samuel Bercovici Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone! To assist in evaluating the use cases that matter and since we now have ~45 use cases, I would like to propose to conduct a survey using something like surveymonkey. The idea is to have a non-anonymous survey listing the use cases and ask you identify and vote. Then we will publish the results and can prioritize based on this. To do so in a timely manner, I would like to freeze the document for editing and allow only comments by Monday May 5th 08:00AMUTC and publish the survey link to ML ASAP after that. Please let me know if this is acceptable. Regards, -Sam. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Stephen Balukoff Blue Box Group, LLC (800)613-4305 x807tel:%28800%29613-4305%20x807 ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Stephen Balukoff Blue Box Group, LLC (800)613-4305 x807 ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
Sam, That deadline seems reasonable to me. I should have time later today or later this weekend to fill it out. Thanks, Stephen On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Samuel Bercovici samu...@radware.comwrote: Hi, 9 people have filled the survey so far. See attached pdf. Regards, -Sam. *From:* Samuel Bercovici *Sent:* Thursday, May 08, 2014 2:51 PM *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi everyone, I think that it is a good feedback to prioritize features. I can publish the results in time for the 2nd LBaaS meeting (so deadline would be end of 15th May “summit time”) Is this acceptable? -Sam. *From:* Stephen Balukoff [mailto:sbaluk...@bluebox.netsbaluk...@bluebox.net] *Sent:* Thursday, May 08, 2014 2:17 AM *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Samuel-- I've been heads down working on API proposal review documentation, and haven't had time to fill it out yet. Do you have a deadline by which we should have filled out the survey to get our voices heard? Thanks, Stephen On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Samuel Bercovici samu...@radware.com wrote: 6 people have completed the survey so far. *From:* Samuel Bercovici *Sent:* Tuesday, May 06, 2014 10:56 AM *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone, The survey is now live via: http://eSurv.org?u=lbaas_project_user The password is: lbaas The survey includes all the tenant facing use cases from https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ewl95yxAMq2fO0Z6Dz6fL-w2FScERQXQR1-mXuSINis/edit?usp=sharing Please try and fill the survey this week so we can have enough information to base decisions next week. Regards, -Sam. *From:* Samuel Bercovici *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2014 4:52 PM *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi, I will not freeze the document to allow people to work on requirements which are not tenant facing (ex: operator, etc.) I think that we have enough use cases for tenant facing capabilities to reflect most common use cases. I am in the process of creation a survey in surveymonkey for tenant facing use cases and hope to send it to ML ASAP. Regards, -Sam. *From:* Samuel Bercovici *Sent:* Thursday, May 01, 2014 8:40 PM *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) *Cc:* Samuel Bercovici *Subject:* [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone! To assist in evaluating the use cases that matter and since we now have ~45 use cases, I would like to propose to conduct a survey using something like surveymonkey. The idea is to have a non-anonymous survey listing the use cases and ask you identify and vote. Then we will publish the results and can prioritize based on this. To do so in a timely manner, I would like to freeze the document for editing and allow only comments by Monday May 5th 08:00AMUTC and publish the survey link to ML ASAP after that. Please let me know if this is acceptable. Regards, -Sam. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Stephen Balukoff Blue Box Group, LLC (800)613-4305 x807 ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Stephen Balukoff Blue Box Group, LLC (800)613-4305 x807 ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
The survey is not anonymous and I plan to publish it with its raw data we can then discuss how to interpret. Each use case has an accompanying text field so that you can add any comments you wish. At least I did add comments to most use cases when I responded :-) -Sam. -Original Message- From: Jorge Miramontes [mailto:jorge.miramon...@rackspace.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 10:16 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey I agree that everyone's thoughts should be in it. I don't see why a representative vote does not allow for that. Sam put a text box on each use case to capture extra thoughts. I would hope that no organization would be so confused as to have widely varying viewpoints on *what their customers want*, since that is the supposed purpose of all of this, right? We're supposed to be deciding which use-cases matter *to our customers*, so there should be no real variance for what I would vote versus what my teammates would vote, since we have the same customersŠ Also, if we are using this as a type of voting mechanism then interests of large/vocal organizations drown out smaller organizations. If this is being used as a voting mechanism then how do you suggest we weight votes for smaller companies so that we do not alienate them from further voting/discussions? Cheers, --Jorge On 5/6/14 1:52 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/06/2014 02:42 PM, Jorge Miramontes wrote: Sam, I'm assuming you want one person from each company to answer correct? I'm pretty sure people in each organization will vote the sameŠat least I'd hope! I'd hope not! :) Even within the same organization or company, we all have different ideas on use cases, the appropriateness of certain things in the cloud, and the role of a load balancer service in the general mix of things. I certainly would hope that lots of Mirantis engineers other than myself fill out the use case survey and offer their own insights. Best, -jay ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
Jorge, It's your call. I prefer to gather information for now, if multiple people from the same organization will have drastically different answers, than this should also be considered. -Sam. From: Jorge Miramontes [mailto:jorge.miramon...@rackspace.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 9:42 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Sam, I'm assuming you want one person from each company to answer correct? I'm pretty sure people in each organization will vote the same...at least I'd hope! Cheers, --Jorge From: Samuel Bercovici samu...@radware.commailto:samu...@radware.com Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 2:56 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone, The survey is now live via: http://eSurv.org?u=lbaas_project_user The password is: lbaas The survey includes all the tenant facing use cases from https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ewl95yxAMq2fO0Z6Dz6fL-w2FScERQXQR1-mXuSINis/edit?usp=sharing Please try and fill the survey this week so we can have enough information to base decisions next week. Regards, -Sam. From: Samuel Bercovici Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 4:52 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi, I will not freeze the document to allow people to work on requirements which are not tenant facing (ex: operator, etc.) I think that we have enough use cases for tenant facing capabilities to reflect most common use cases. I am in the process of creation a survey in surveymonkey for tenant facing use cases and hope to send it to ML ASAP. Regards, -Sam. From: Samuel Bercovici Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 8:40 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Cc: Samuel Bercovici Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone! To assist in evaluating the use cases that matter and since we now have ~45 use cases, I would like to propose to conduct a survey using something like surveymonkey. The idea is to have a non-anonymous survey listing the use cases and ask you identify and vote. Then we will publish the results and can prioritize based on this. To do so in a timely manner, I would like to freeze the document for editing and allow only comments by Monday May 5th 08:00AMUTC and publish the survey link to ML ASAP after that. Please let me know if this is acceptable. Regards, -Sam. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
6 people have completed the survey so far. From: Samuel Bercovici Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 10:56 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone, The survey is now live via: http://eSurv.org?u=lbaas_project_user The password is: lbaas The survey includes all the tenant facing use cases from https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ewl95yxAMq2fO0Z6Dz6fL-w2FScERQXQR1-mXuSINis/edit?usp=sharing Please try and fill the survey this week so we can have enough information to base decisions next week. Regards, -Sam. From: Samuel Bercovici Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 4:52 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi, I will not freeze the document to allow people to work on requirements which are not tenant facing (ex: operator, etc.) I think that we have enough use cases for tenant facing capabilities to reflect most common use cases. I am in the process of creation a survey in surveymonkey for tenant facing use cases and hope to send it to ML ASAP. Regards, -Sam. From: Samuel Bercovici Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 8:40 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Cc: Samuel Bercovici Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone! To assist in evaluating the use cases that matter and since we now have ~45 use cases, I would like to propose to conduct a survey using something like surveymonkey. The idea is to have a non-anonymous survey listing the use cases and ask you identify and vote. Then we will publish the results and can prioritize based on this. To do so in a timely manner, I would like to freeze the document for editing and allow only comments by Monday May 5th 08:00AMUTC and publish the survey link to ML ASAP after that. Please let me know if this is acceptable. Regards, -Sam. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
Hi Samuel-- I've been heads down working on API proposal review documentation, and haven't had time to fill it out yet. Do you have a deadline by which we should have filled out the survey to get our voices heard? Thanks, Stephen On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Samuel Bercovici samu...@radware.comwrote: 6 people have completed the survey so far. *From:* Samuel Bercovici *Sent:* Tuesday, May 06, 2014 10:56 AM *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone, The survey is now live via: http://eSurv.org?u=lbaas_project_user The password is: lbaas The survey includes all the tenant facing use cases from https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ewl95yxAMq2fO0Z6Dz6fL-w2FScERQXQR1-mXuSINis/edit?usp=sharing Please try and fill the survey this week so we can have enough information to base decisions next week. Regards, -Sam. *From:* Samuel Bercovici *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2014 4:52 PM *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi, I will not freeze the document to allow people to work on requirements which are not tenant facing (ex: operator, etc.) I think that we have enough use cases for tenant facing capabilities to reflect most common use cases. I am in the process of creation a survey in surveymonkey for tenant facing use cases and hope to send it to ML ASAP. Regards, -Sam. *From:* Samuel Bercovici *Sent:* Thursday, May 01, 2014 8:40 PM *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) *Cc:* Samuel Bercovici *Subject:* [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone! To assist in evaluating the use cases that matter and since we now have ~45 use cases, I would like to propose to conduct a survey using something like surveymonkey. The idea is to have a non-anonymous survey listing the use cases and ask you identify and vote. Then we will publish the results and can prioritize based on this. To do so in a timely manner, I would like to freeze the document for editing and allow only comments by Monday May 5th 08:00AMUTC and publish the survey link to ML ASAP after that. Please let me know if this is acceptable. Regards, -Sam. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Stephen Balukoff Blue Box Group, LLC (800)613-4305 x807 ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
Hi Everyone, The survey is now live via: http://eSurv.org?u=lbaas_project_user The password is: lbaas The survey includes all the tenant facing use cases from https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ewl95yxAMq2fO0Z6Dz6fL-w2FScERQXQR1-mXuSINis/edit?usp=sharing Please try and fill the survey this week so we can have enough information to base decisions next week. Regards, -Sam. From: Samuel Bercovici Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 4:52 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi, I will not freeze the document to allow people to work on requirements which are not tenant facing (ex: operator, etc.) I think that we have enough use cases for tenant facing capabilities to reflect most common use cases. I am in the process of creation a survey in surveymonkey for tenant facing use cases and hope to send it to ML ASAP. Regards, -Sam. From: Samuel Bercovici Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 8:40 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Cc: Samuel Bercovici Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone! To assist in evaluating the use cases that matter and since we now have ~45 use cases, I would like to propose to conduct a survey using something like surveymonkey. The idea is to have a non-anonymous survey listing the use cases and ask you identify and vote. Then we will publish the results and can prioritize based on this. To do so in a timely manner, I would like to freeze the document for editing and allow only comments by Monday May 5th 08:00AMUTC and publish the survey link to ML ASAP after that. Please let me know if this is acceptable. Regards, -Sam. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
Sam, I'm assuming you want one person from each company to answer correct? I'm pretty sure people in each organization will vote the same…at least I'd hope! Cheers, --Jorge From: Samuel Bercovici samu...@radware.commailto:samu...@radware.com Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 2:56 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone, The survey is now live via: http://eSurv.org?u=lbaas_project_user The password is: lbaas The survey includes all the tenant facing use cases from https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ewl95yxAMq2fO0Z6Dz6fL-w2FScERQXQR1-mXuSINis/edit?usp=sharing Please try and fill the survey this week so we can have enough information to base decisions next week. Regards, -Sam. From: Samuel Bercovici Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 4:52 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi, I will not freeze the document to allow people to work on requirements which are not tenant facing (ex: operator, etc.) I think that we have enough use cases for tenant facing capabilities to reflect most common use cases. I am in the process of creation a survey in surveymonkey for tenant facing use cases and hope to send it to ML ASAP. Regards, -Sam. From: Samuel Bercovici Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 8:40 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Cc: Samuel Bercovici Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone! To assist in evaluating the use cases that matter and since we now have ~45 use cases, I would like to propose to conduct a survey using something like surveymonkey. The idea is to have a non-anonymous survey listing the use cases and ask you identify and vote. Then we will publish the results and can prioritize based on this. To do so in a timely manner, I would like to freeze the document for editing and allow only comments by Monday May 5th 08:00AMUTC and publish the survey link to ML ASAP after that. Please let me know if this is acceptable. Regards, -Sam. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
On 05/06/2014 02:42 PM, Jorge Miramontes wrote: Sam, I'm assuming you want one person from each company to answer correct? I'm pretty sure people in each organization will vote the same…at least I'd hope! I'd hope not! :) Even within the same organization or company, we all have different ideas on use cases, the appropriateness of certain things in the cloud, and the role of a load balancer service in the general mix of things. I certainly would hope that lots of Mirantis engineers other than myself fill out the use case survey and offer their own insights. Best, -jay ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
I agree that everyone's thoughts should be in it. I don't see why a representative vote does not allow for that. Sam put a text box on each use case to capture extra thoughts. I would hope that no organization would be so confused as to have widely varying viewpoints on *what their customers want*, since that is the supposed purpose of all of this, right? We're supposed to be deciding which use-cases matter *to our customers*, so there should be no real variance for what I would vote versus what my teammates would vote, since we have the same customersŠ Also, if we are using this as a type of voting mechanism then interests of large/vocal organizations drown out smaller organizations. If this is being used as a voting mechanism then how do you suggest we weight votes for smaller companies so that we do not alienate them from further voting/discussions? Cheers, --Jorge On 5/6/14 1:52 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/06/2014 02:42 PM, Jorge Miramontes wrote: Sam, I'm assuming you want one person from each company to answer correct? I'm pretty sure people in each organization will vote the sameŠat least I'd hope! I'd hope not! :) Even within the same organization or company, we all have different ideas on use cases, the appropriateness of certain things in the cloud, and the role of a load balancer service in the general mix of things. I certainly would hope that lots of Mirantis engineers other than myself fill out the use case survey and offer their own insights. Best, -jay ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
I'd like to add that size of the organization (or really, size of the development team) that is voting in this quiz does not directly correlate to size of customer base. If there were any weighting happening, I'd hope these answers would be weighted by size of user base, since really it is the users' interests we are all trying to represent, not our own! --Adam On 5/6/14 2:16 PM, Jorge Miramontes jorge.miramon...@rackspace.com wrote: I agree that everyone's thoughts should be in it. I don't see why a representative vote does not allow for that. Sam put a text box on each use case to capture extra thoughts. I would hope that no organization would be so confused as to have widely varying viewpoints on *what their customers want*, since that is the supposed purpose of all of this, right? We're supposed to be deciding which use-cases matter *to our customers*, so there should be no real variance for what I would vote versus what my teammates would vote, since we have the same customersŠ Also, if we are using this as a type of voting mechanism then interests of large/vocal organizations drown out smaller organizations. If this is being used as a voting mechanism then how do you suggest we weight votes for smaller companies so that we do not alienate them from further voting/discussions? Cheers, --Jorge On 5/6/14 1:52 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/06/2014 02:42 PM, Jorge Miramontes wrote: Sam, I'm assuming you want one person from each company to answer correct? I'm pretty sure people in each organization will vote the sameŠat least I'd hope! I'd hope not! :) Even within the same organization or company, we all have different ideas on use cases, the appropriateness of certain things in the cloud, and the role of a load balancer service in the general mix of things. I certainly would hope that lots of Mirantis engineers other than myself fill out the use case survey and offer their own insights. Best, -jay ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
I think the plan is to release all the raw results of this to the public as well-- meaning that it should be possible to come up with a representative average per organization, as well as several other ways to interpret the data. Right now, the emphasis is just to gather the data. We can decide how to interpret it later. There's a reason this survey is not anonymous. :) Thanks, Stephen On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Adam Harwell adam.harw...@rackspace.comwrote: I'd like to add that size of the organization (or really, size of the development team) that is voting in this quiz does not directly correlate to size of customer base. If there were any weighting happening, I'd hope these answers would be weighted by size of user base, since really it is the users' interests we are all trying to represent, not our own! --Adam On 5/6/14 2:16 PM, Jorge Miramontes jorge.miramon...@rackspace.com wrote: I agree that everyone's thoughts should be in it. I don't see why a representative vote does not allow for that. Sam put a text box on each use case to capture extra thoughts. I would hope that no organization would be so confused as to have widely varying viewpoints on *what their customers want*, since that is the supposed purpose of all of this, right? We're supposed to be deciding which use-cases matter *to our customers*, so there should be no real variance for what I would vote versus what my teammates would vote, since we have the same customersŠ Also, if we are using this as a type of voting mechanism then interests of large/vocal organizations drown out smaller organizations. If this is being used as a voting mechanism then how do you suggest we weight votes for smaller companies so that we do not alienate them from further voting/discussions? Cheers, --Jorge On 5/6/14 1:52 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/06/2014 02:42 PM, Jorge Miramontes wrote: Sam, I'm assuming you want one person from each company to answer correct? I'm pretty sure people in each organization will vote the sameŠat least I'd hope! I'd hope not! :) Even within the same organization or company, we all have different ideas on use cases, the appropriateness of certain things in the cloud, and the role of a load balancer service in the general mix of things. I certainly would hope that lots of Mirantis engineers other than myself fill out the use case survey and offer their own insights. Best, -jay ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Stephen Balukoff Blue Box Group, LLC (800)613-4305 x807 ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
On 05/06/2014 03:16 PM, Jorge Miramontes wrote: I agree that everyone's thoughts should be in it. I don't see why a representative vote does not allow for that. Sam put a text box on each use case to capture extra thoughts. Because all of us have different experiences. Not all of us have worked for the specific company we work at now for the past 20 years. We all have different customer experiences and use cases based on a variety of job positions and past employers. I would hope that no organization would be so confused as to have widely varying viewpoints on *what their customers want* You have only one type of customer? , since that is the supposed purpose of all of this, right? We're supposed to be deciding which use-cases matter *to our customers*, Yep, and there are many different types of customers even within a single company. I'm sure you don't assume that RAX Public Cloud customers have the same needs of RAX private cloud or enterprise hosting customers. At the same time, is there a single person at RAX that can adequately speak for all those segments? As a former Racker, I can remember meeting no such person. so there should be no real variance for what I would vote versus what my teammates would vote, since we have the same customersŠ And there are multiple teams at Rackspace, no? Also, if we are using this as a type of voting mechanism then interests of large/vocal organizations drown out smaller organizations. If this is being used as a voting mechanism then how do you suggest we weight votes for smaller companies so that we do not alienate them from further voting/discussions? Through consensus and discussion, same as any other OpenStack project. Best, -jay Cheers, --Jorge On 5/6/14 1:52 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/06/2014 02:42 PM, Jorge Miramontes wrote: Sam, I'm assuming you want one person from each company to answer correct? I'm pretty sure people in each organization will vote the sameŠat least I'd hope! I'd hope not! :) Even within the same organization or company, we all have different ideas on use cases, the appropriateness of certain things in the cloud, and the role of a load balancer service in the general mix of things. I certainly would hope that lots of Mirantis engineers other than myself fill out the use case survey and offer their own insights. Best, -jay ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
On 05/06/2014 04:22 PM, Stephen Balukoff wrote: I think the plan is to release all the raw results of this to the public as well-- meaning that it should be possible to come up with a representative average per organization, as well as several other ways to interpret the data. Right now, the emphasis is just to gather the data. We can decide how to interpret it later. I don't think a representative average for each organization is necessarily useful (compared to the average over some larger grouping), but sure, the focus should be on data collection now, not interpretation. There's a reason this survey is not anonymous. :) ++ -jay ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
Okay, makes sense to gather all data now and interpret this later. I'm too jaded for these types of debates right now since the summit is around the corner. Cheers, --Jorge On 5/6/14 3:32 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/06/2014 04:22 PM, Stephen Balukoff wrote: I think the plan is to release all the raw results of this to the public as well-- meaning that it should be possible to come up with a representative average per organization, as well as several other ways to interpret the data. Right now, the emphasis is just to gather the data. We can decide how to interpret it later. I don't think a representative average for each organization is necessarily useful (compared to the average over some larger grouping), but sure, the focus should be on data collection now, not interpretation. There's a reason this survey is not anonymous. :) ++ -jay ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
Hi, I will not freeze the document to allow people to work on requirements which are not tenant facing (ex: operator, etc.) I think that we have enough use cases for tenant facing capabilities to reflect most common use cases. I am in the process of creation a survey in surveymonkey for tenant facing use cases and hope to send it to ML ASAP. Regards, -Sam. From: Samuel Bercovici Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 8:40 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Cc: Samuel Bercovici Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone! To assist in evaluating the use cases that matter and since we now have ~45 use cases, I would like to propose to conduct a survey using something like surveymonkey. The idea is to have a non-anonymous survey listing the use cases and ask you identify and vote. Then we will publish the results and can prioritize based on this. To do so in a timely manner, I would like to freeze the document for editing and allow only comments by Monday May 5th 08:00AMUTC and publish the survey link to ML ASAP after that. Please let me know if this is acceptable. Regards, -Sam. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
That sounds good to me. The only thing I would caution is that we have prioritized certain requirements (like HA and SSL Termination) and I want to ensure we use the survey to compliment what we have already mutually agreed upon. Thanks for spearheading this! Cheers, --Jorge From: Samuel Bercovici samu...@radware.commailto:samu...@radware.com Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: Thursday, May 1, 2014 12:39 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone! To assist in evaluating the use cases that matter and since we now have ~45 use cases, I would like to propose to conduct a survey using something like surveymonkey. The idea is to have a non-anonymous survey listing the use cases and ask you identify and vote. Then we will publish the results and can prioritize based on this. To do so in a timely manner, I would like to freeze the document for editing and allow only comments by Monday May 5th 08:00AMUTC and publish the survey link to ML ASAP after that. Please let me know if this is acceptable. Regards, -Sam. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
Yep, I'm all for this as well! Note: We're just talking about user use cases in this survey, correct? (We'll leave the operator use cases for later when we have more of a story and/or model to work with on how we're going to approach those, yes?) Thanks, Stephen On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Jorge Miramontes jorge.miramon...@rackspace.com wrote: That sounds good to me. The only thing I would caution is that we have prioritized certain requirements (like HA and SSL Termination) and I want to ensure we use the survey to compliment what we have already mutually agreed upon. Thanks for spearheading this! Cheers, --Jorge From: Samuel Bercovici samu...@radware.com Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: Thursday, May 1, 2014 12:39 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone! To assist in evaluating the use cases that matter and since we now have ~45 use cases, I would like to propose to conduct a survey using something like surveymonkey. The idea is to have a non-anonymous survey listing the use cases and ask you identify and vote. Then we will publish the results and can prioritize based on this. To do so in a timely manner, I would like to freeze the document for editing and allow only comments by Monday May 5th 08:00AMUTC and publish the survey link to ML ASAP after that. Please let me know if this is acceptable. Regards, -Sam. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Stephen Balukoff Blue Box Group, LLC (800)613-4305 x807 ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
Stephen, I would prefer if we can vote on them, too. They are essential and I would like to make sure they are considered first-class citizen when it comes to use cases. Thanks, German From: Stephen Balukoff [mailto:sbaluk...@bluebox.net] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 12:52 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Yep, I'm all for this as well! Note: We're just talking about user use cases in this survey, correct? (We'll leave the operator use cases for later when we have more of a story and/or model to work with on how we're going to approach those, yes?) Thanks, Stephen On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Jorge Miramontes jorge.miramon...@rackspace.commailto:jorge.miramon...@rackspace.com wrote: That sounds good to me. The only thing I would caution is that we have prioritized certain requirements (like HA and SSL Termination) and I want to ensure we use the survey to compliment what we have already mutually agreed upon. Thanks for spearheading this! Cheers, --Jorge From: Samuel Bercovici samu...@radware.commailto:samu...@radware.com Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: Thursday, May 1, 2014 12:39 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone! To assist in evaluating the use cases that matter and since we now have ~45 use cases, I would like to propose to conduct a survey using something like surveymonkey. The idea is to have a non-anonymous survey listing the use cases and ask you identify and vote. Then we will publish the results and can prioritize based on this. To do so in a timely manner, I would like to freeze the document for editing and allow only comments by Monday May 5th 08:00AMUTC and publish the survey link to ML ASAP after that. Please let me know if this is acceptable. Regards, -Sam. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Stephen Balukoff Blue Box Group, LLC (800)613-4305 x807 ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey
Balukoff I'm liking your API spec so far but can you elaborate on what this loadbalancer object you refer to is. on page You declare its immutable and refer to it like an actual primitive object yet I don't see a schema for it. I see loadbalancer_id in the vip request that reference. The top part of the doc declares a loadbalancer is is the first object created according to the definition in the glossary. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/Glossary#Loadbalancer where it is defined as the root Object that is first created or can be fully populated but in you API proposal it looks like the vip object is the created top level primitive with flavor attribute is apart of a VIP. Are you intending to rename what we call a loadbalancer to a VIP? Could you provide a work flow of a created loadbalancer. It looks good either way. Is it cool if we rename ca_certificate_id to client_ca or client_ca_certificate to make it clear the purpose of the CA is to snub clients. Later on if we need to do encryption to back end pool members that have x509s signed by their own CA we can then use a parameter like reencryption_ca_certificate. Consider the following cases. The user wants SSL_ID based persistence on an HTTPS LoadBalancer where the loadbalancer does not know the key or cert but has access to the unencrypted RFC5246: 7.4.1.2 uncrypted Session ID to identify persistence to the back end HTTPS pool member? On the pool side of the loadbalaancer can a loadbalancer still encrypt if no ca_certificate_id or client_certificate_id is present? How would they signal to the api that they extend to encrypt with out host name validation or even vert validation at all. Not sure why they would want to other then they don't feel the need to pay for certs on their backend nodes or worse yes pay for a signing cert. The user feels secure on their network and wants SSL termination at the loadbalancer so the loadbalancer has the Cert and Key and extends to use plain old HTTP to the pool members with some headers injected. What would the protocol on the listener be HTTPS and would placing a CERT and KEY imply deception should happen. Also I've been burned in an earlier project when I started noticing some CA's were using ECDSA certs instead of RSA? should we take non RSA x509s into account as well? Right now it looks like the API assumes everything is RSA. By placing On May 1, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Stephen Balukoff sbaluk...@bluebox.netmailto:sbaluk...@bluebox.net wrote: German, They certainly are essential-- but as far as I can tell, we haven't been concentrating on them, so the list there is likely very incomplete. Stephen On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Eichberger, German german.eichber...@hp.commailto:german.eichber...@hp.com wrote: Stephen, I would prefer if we can vote on them, too. They are essential and I would like to make sure they are considered first-class citizen when it comes to use cases. Thanks, German From: Stephen Balukoff [mailto:sbaluk...@bluebox.netmailto:sbaluk...@bluebox.net] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 12:52 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Yep, I'm all for this as well! Note: We're just talking about user use cases in this survey, correct? (We'll leave the operator use cases for later when we have more of a story and/or model to work with on how we're going to approach those, yes?) Thanks, Stephen On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Jorge Miramontes jorge.miramon...@rackspace.commailto:jorge.miramon...@rackspace.com wrote: That sounds good to me. The only thing I would caution is that we have prioritized certain requirements (like HA and SSL Termination) and I want to ensure we use the survey to compliment what we have already mutually agreed upon. Thanks for spearheading this! Cheers, --Jorge From: Samuel Bercovici samu...@radware.commailto:samu...@radware.com Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: Thursday, May 1, 2014 12:39 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS]User Stories and sruvey Hi Everyone! To assist in evaluating the use cases that matter and since we now have ~45 use cases, I would like to propose to conduct a survey using something like surveymonkey. The idea is to have a non-anonymous survey listing the use cases and ask you identify and vote. Then we will publish the results and can prioritize based on this. To do so in a timely manner, I would like to freeze the document for editing and allow only comments by Monday May 5th 08:00AMUTC and publish the survey link to ML ASAP after that. Please let me know if this is acceptable. Regards, -Sam
