Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Moving some projects around

2014-03-27 Thread Thierry Carrez
James E. Blair wrote:
 We've been discussing the thoroughly interesting problem of project
 taxonomy recently, and I'd like to describe what I think we've mostly
 decided we should do and make sure we're on the same page.  If we are,
 I'll invite the TC to weigh in and if they think we're completely wrong,
 we can work on some policy.
 
 Move the following projects to the openstack-attic/ org (because they
 are no longer active projects though they had some degree of
 officialness about them at the time they were active):
 
  * openstack-dev/openstack-qa
  * openstack/melange
  * openstack/python-melangeclient
  * openstack/openstack-chef
 
 We should make these read-only as well.
 
 Leave openstack-dev/sandbox where it is.  It's a useful tool for new
 openstack developers and third party CI systems -- it should be
 considered part of the openstack development process.

OK

 Move openstack/python-openstackclient to stackforge.  It's apparently a
 project without an official program.  (Incidentally, this makes me sad.)
 
 Leave openstack/gantt where it is, but make it read-only.  The current
 state of development is considered a dead end, but there is likely to be
 a future attempt (and therefore future openstack/gantt repository).
 Rather than rename it and rename it back, or rename it to something like
 openstack-attic/gant-mark-one, we think mothballing it and then
 replacing the entire branch with a merge commit for the second forklift
 attempt (like we did with keystone-lite) is the least silly option and
 actually faithfully represents development history.

On one hand I think openstack/python-openstackclient could temporarily
be left where it is until we have a clear idea of what its future is. On
the other moving it to stackforge could release enough energy for a
proper program request to be submitted. It's not a quick and easy
discussion though: there are competing approaches, the question of
whether all client libraries should also live under that program, and
the question of whether it should be lumped in a bigger end-user UX program.

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Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Moving some projects around

2014-03-27 Thread Ruslan Kamaldinov
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote:
 James E. Blair wrote:
 We've been discussing the thoroughly interesting problem of project
 taxonomy recently, and I'd like to describe what I think we've mostly
 decided we should do and make sure we're on the same page.  If we are,
 I'll invite the TC to weigh in and if they think we're completely wrong,
 we can work on some policy.

 Move the following projects to the openstack-attic/ org (because they
 are no longer active projects though they had some degree of
 officialness about them at the time they were active):

  * openstack-dev/openstack-qa
  * openstack/melange
  * openstack/python-melangeclient
  * openstack/openstack-chef

 We should make these read-only as well.

 Leave openstack-dev/sandbox where it is.  It's a useful tool for new
 openstack developers and third party CI systems -- it should be
 considered part of the openstack development process.

 OK

 Move openstack/python-openstackclient to stackforge.  It's apparently a
 project without an official program.  (Incidentally, this makes me sad.)

 Leave openstack/gantt where it is, but make it read-only.  The current
 state of development is considered a dead end, but there is likely to be
 a future attempt (and therefore future openstack/gantt repository).
 Rather than rename it and rename it back, or rename it to something like
 openstack-attic/gant-mark-one, we think mothballing it and then
 replacing the entire branch with a merge commit for the second forklift
 attempt (like we did with keystone-lite) is the least silly option and
 actually faithfully represents development history.

 On one hand I think openstack/python-openstackclient could temporarily
 be left where it is until we have a clear idea of what its future is. On
 the other moving it to stackforge could release enough energy for a
 proper program request to be submitted. It's not a quick and easy
 discussion though: there are competing approaches, the question of
 whether all client libraries should also live under that program, and
 the question of whether it should be lumped in a bigger end-user UX program.

 --
 Thierry Carrez (ttx)


During the last couple of months we significantly reduced number of Murano
repositories. We will mark the following repos as deprecated:
* stackforge/murano-common
* stackforge/murano-repository
* stackforge/murano-metadataclient
* stackforge/murano-conductor

Two or three more repositories will be deprecated a little bit later.

Murano is not the only project which has deprecated repositories. There are
several abandoned repositories, for instance MRaaS [0]. Maybe it's about time
to create something similar to Apache Attic [1] and move these  repos outside
of Stackforge?

[0] http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/MRaaS/
[1] https://attic.apache.org/

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Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Moving some projects around

2014-03-27 Thread Sergey Lukjanov
The idea was to cleanup openstack* organizations IIRC, but IMO we
could do the same with stackforge too.

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Ruslan Kamaldinov
rkamaldi...@mirantis.com wrote:
 Murano is not the only project which has deprecated repositories. There are
 several abandoned repositories, for instance MRaaS [0]. Maybe it's about time
 to create something similar to Apache Attic [1] and move these  repos outside
 of Stackforge?


 Ah, sorry. I missed the whole point of the original message. That's what
 Jim proposed to do.

 Shame on me.
 Ruslan

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Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Moving some projects around

2014-03-27 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-03-27 18:47:23 +0400 (+0400), Sergey Lukjanov wrote:
 The idea was to cleanup openstack* organizations IIRC, but IMO we
 could do the same with stackforge too.

CruftForge ;)
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Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Moving some projects around

2014-03-27 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-03-26 10:50:49 -0700 (-0700), James E. Blair wrote:
 We've been discussing the thoroughly interesting problem of project
 taxonomy recently, and I'd like to describe what I think we've mostly
 decided we should do and make sure we're on the same page.
[...]

Works for me, and accurately captures what we discussed in IRC
during/after the team meeting.
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[OpenStack-Infra] Moving some projects around

2014-03-26 Thread James E. Blair
We've been discussing the thoroughly interesting problem of project
taxonomy recently, and I'd like to describe what I think we've mostly
decided we should do and make sure we're on the same page.  If we are,
I'll invite the TC to weigh in and if they think we're completely wrong,
we can work on some policy.

Move the following projects to the openstack-attic/ org (because they
are no longer active projects though they had some degree of
officialness about them at the time they were active):

 * openstack-dev/openstack-qa
 * openstack/melange
 * openstack/python-melangeclient
 * openstack/openstack-chef

We should make these read-only as well.

Leave openstack-dev/sandbox where it is.  It's a useful tool for new
openstack developers and third party CI systems -- it should be
considered part of the openstack development process.

Move openstack/python-openstackclient to stackforge.  It's apparently a
project without an official program.  (Incidentally, this makes me sad.)

Leave openstack/gantt where it is, but make it read-only.  The current
state of development is considered a dead end, but there is likely to be
a future attempt (and therefore future openstack/gantt repository).
Rather than rename it and rename it back, or rename it to something like
openstack-attic/gant-mark-one, we think mothballing it and then
replacing the entire branch with a merge commit for the second forklift
attempt (like we did with keystone-lite) is the least silly option and
actually faithfully represents development history.

-Jim

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Re: [OpenStack-Infra] Moving some projects around

2014-03-26 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 1:50 PM, James E. Blair jebl...@openstack.orgwrote:

 We've been discussing the thoroughly interesting problem of project
 taxonomy recently, and I'd like to describe what I think we've mostly
 decided we should do and make sure we're on the same page.  If we are,
 I'll invite the TC to weigh in and if they think we're completely wrong,
 we can work on some policy.

 Move the following projects to the openstack-attic/ org (because they
 are no longer active projects though they had some degree of
 officialness about them at the time they were active):

  * openstack-dev/openstack-qa
  * openstack/melange
  * openstack/python-melangeclient
  * openstack/openstack-chef

 We should make these read-only as well.

 Leave openstack-dev/sandbox where it is.  It's a useful tool for new
 openstack developers and third party CI systems -- it should be
 considered part of the openstack development process.

 Move openstack/python-openstackclient to stackforge.  It's apparently a
 project without an official program.  (Incidentally, this makes me sad.)


Dean may be ready to propose that as a program. Have you asked? It might
save moving it twice.

Doug




 Leave openstack/gantt where it is, but make it read-only.  The current
 state of development is considered a dead end, but there is likely to be
 a future attempt (and therefore future openstack/gantt repository).
 Rather than rename it and rename it back, or rename it to something like
 openstack-attic/gant-mark-one, we think mothballing it and then
 replacing the entire branch with a merge commit for the second forklift
 attempt (like we did with keystone-lite) is the least silly option and
 actually faithfully represents development history.

 -Jim

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