Re: [OS-webwork] Re: Freemarker WAS Using SiteMesh for the UI tags

2003-01-29 Thread Attila Szegedi
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 Now back to our regular programming.


+1. I'm here with the sole reason of kickstarting a WW+FM integration
process that will (hopefully) be useful to both projects. It seems like
Chris already caught on :-)

I view anything that isn't a technology discussion focused on productively
going forward as just Not Belonging Here.

Going forward in this spirit,

Cheers,
  Attila.

 regards,
Rickard



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[OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Konstantin Priblouda
Hi all, 
I tried to get map of values stored in 
HttpSession by calling  ActionContext.getSession()

Docs state that it shall return map of values in
actual HttpSession while in servlet environment, and
just a map
( global one? ) if called elsewhere. 

I used it from JPS , and different documents got
different maps from action context.

I also looked in the code, and did not found any signs
that ActionContext actually pick into HttpSession. 

Maybe I overlook something in docs.
Is there a better way to obtain HttpSession contens in
webwork?


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Re: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Konstantin Priblouda

--- Rickard_Öberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Konstantin Priblouda wrote:
  Hi all, 
  I tried to get map of values stored in 
  HttpSession by calling  ActionContext.getSession()
  
  Docs state that it shall return map of values in
  actual HttpSession while in servlet environment,
 and
  just a map
  ( global one? ) if called elsewhere. 
  
  I used it from JPS , and different documents got
  different maps from action context.
 
 Using the ActionContext is only valid from within an
 action (i.e. after 
 a dispatcher has set it up properly). If you are
 accessing it from a 
 page that has not previously executed then you will
 get the wrong answer.
 
 Is this your case?

Yep. I have to live with frameset, and on couple the
first executions of various jsps it delivers different
objects. But then it stabilizes...
Kind of weird. 

I think I will provide 2 methods for my factory:
from jsp feed it with session and extract  object from
t here and fromj action just ask ActionContext 
for object with the same key.

Is there a better ( servlet agnostic? more webworky? )
way to obtain global object from web application?

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Re: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Rickard Öberg
Konstantin Priblouda wrote:

Yep. I have to live with frameset, and on couple the
first executions of various jsps it delivers different
objects. But then it stabilizes...
Kind of weird. 

I think I will provide 2 methods for my factory:
from jsp feed it with session and extract  object from
t here and fromj action just ask ActionContext 
for object with the same key.

Is there a better ( servlet agnostic? more webworky? )
way to obtain global object from web application?

Well, if you're using scriptlets then I guess you can use the request 
directly.

The WebWorky way is to have all code that does stuff in actions, and in 
that case you'd never have any problem.

/Rickard

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Re: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Konstantin Priblouda

 Well, if you're using scriptlets then I guess you
 can use the request 
 directly.
 
 The WebWorky way is to have all code that does stuff
 in actions, and in 
 that case you'd never have any problem.

So you suggest that I convert my factory class into
action, and this action shall deposit my desired class
in [say] thread local upon execution?

Is there webwork example for such factory actions?

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Re: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Rickard Öberg
Konstantin Priblouda wrote:

So you suggest that I convert my factory class into
action, and this action shall deposit my desired class
in [say] thread local upon execution?

Is there webwork example for such factory actions?


What are you using the factory for? Sounds like the dispatcher to me.

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Re: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Konstantin Priblouda

  Is there webwork example for such factory actions?
 
 What are you using the factory for? Sounds like the
 dispatcher to me.

I need a application-global object. 

Original version was: 
---%-
public static getFoo(HttpSession bar) {
 Foo foo = bar.getValue(FOO_KEY);

 if(foo == null) {
   foo = new Foo();
   bar.put(FOO_KEY,foo);
 }
  return foo;
}
---%-
Then i was in need to perform the same from action
 - so I modified this method to luse Map instead of
session
and added another static method which just feeds first
one with ActionContext.getSession()

Shall I use [say ] GenerixcDispatcher to initialize
ActionContext ?

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Re: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Rickard Öberg
Konstantin Priblouda wrote:

Is there webwork example for such factory actions?


What are you using the factory for? Sounds like the
dispatcher to me.


I need a application-global object. 

Original version was: 
---%-
public static getFoo(HttpSession bar) {
 Foo foo = bar.getValue(FOO_KEY);

 if(foo == null) {
   foo = new Foo();
   bar.put(FOO_KEY,foo);
 }
  return foo;
}
---%-

Hm.. this is not application-global. It is session-specific.


Then i was in need to perform the same from action
 - so I modified this method to luse Map instead of
session
and added another static method which just feeds first
one with ActionContext.getSession()

Shall I use [say ] GenerixcDispatcher to initialize
ActionContext ?


First of all: do you want it to be application-wide or session-wide?

Regardless, the initialization should probably be done using a 
ServiceContextListener.

/Rickard

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Re: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Konstantin Priblouda

 Just an observation from your error description:
 Is the initial framset file a html file or a jsp
 file? If it is html and
 then if the frames are JSP files then I think you
 could get the behaviour
 you are describing with different sessions since no
 session is created when
 the frameset html file is requested and then several
 JSP pages (for each
 frame) is requested simultaneously. The solution is
 to make the frameset a
 JSP file as well.
 But maybe this is not the case, if so, please ignore
 this post.

Everything is JSP, but IMHO session shall be created 
on the first context invocation. 

Losing session track due plain html could be an issue
for url-mangled sessions, but not cookie-ones...

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Re: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Rickard Öberg
Konstantin Priblouda wrote:

Regardless, the initialization should probably be
done using a 
ServiceContextListener.

What is ServiceContextListener? Nothing in webwork
docs
about it, neither in servlet api


Sorry, I meant this one:
http://java.sun.com/j2ee/sdk_1.3/techdocs/api/javax/servlet/ServletContextListener.html

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Re: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Konstantin Priblouda

--- Rickard_Öberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Konstantin Priblouda wrote:
 Regardless, the initialization should probably be
 done using a 
 ServiceContextListener.
  
  What is ServiceContextListener? Nothing in webwork
  docs
  about it, neither in servlet api
 
 Sorry, I meant this one:

http://java.sun.com/j2ee/sdk_1.3/techdocs/api/javax/servlet/ServletContextListener.html

Well, not quite webworky :)

I would like to be servlet-agnostic...

What is correct way to obtain ActionContext
which was initialized with HttpSession data if there
is
HttpSession around?

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Re: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Rickard Öberg
Konstantin Priblouda wrote:

Well, not quite webworky :)


The idea is to not reinvent the wheel.


I would like to be servlet-agnostic...


Ok, then put the code that initializes the context in a class and call 
it from a ServiceContextListener.

What is correct way to obtain ActionContext
which was initialized with HttpSession data if there
is
HttpSession around?


I think ServletActionContext.getSession() works.

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Re: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Konstantin Priblouda

  What is correct way to obtain ActionContext
  which was initialized with HttpSession data if
 there
  is
  HttpSession around?
 
 I think ServletActionContext.getSession() works.

This method does not exists in current CVS version
of webwork...

Another question: 
It seems to me that ActionContext is stored as
TreadLocal, is this map kept in synch with session
contents?

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Re: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Rickard Öberg
Konstantin Priblouda wrote:

What is correct way to obtain ActionContext
which was initialized with HttpSession data if


there


is
HttpSession around?


I think ServletActionContext.getSession() works.


This method does not exists in current CVS version
of webwork...


Sorry, that should be ActionContext.getSession()


Another question: 
It seems to me that ActionContext is stored as
TreadLocal, is this map kept in synch with session
contents?

The reference to the session is updated every time an action is 
executed. Execute an action - works. Don't execute an action - doesn't 
work, or unspecified.

Again, if you just run an action access to the context is not a problem. 
If you try to access the context in any other scenario, you're asking 
for trouble.

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Re: [OS-webwork] Re: Freemarker WAS Using SiteMesh for the UI tags

2003-01-29 Thread Hani Suleiman
A flamewar wouldn't be complete without a few kindlings thrown in by me, so herw
goes...

 
 Do you think I'm the only guy around who doesn't like it when people 
 spread disinformation about him behind his back? Other than that, do 
 you think that *I* have any interest in showing up on a webwork list 
 and arguing about some silly exchange that occured on the velocity 
 list? Hey, I've got plans and things to do... *you* are the guy who 
 brought up the subject!
 
Yes, and you're the one seeming unable to drop it.

 Moreover, you mischaracterize something completely, and I respond, 
 quite politely, and have pointed people to the information they need to 
 form their own judgment of what happened.
 
Politely, but at great tedious length.

 
  Now back to our regular programming.
 
 Right. No problem. But you shouldn't have brought up the subject. It 
 was a very bad idea. sigh
 
I hate to say it, but this perfectly illustrates Rickard's point. 'right, no
problem', yet you had endless opinions/facts/whatever to throw around, without
anything relevant to webwork. If anything, I'd say you've proven quite admirably
what Rickard was warning against. All rather amusing.

Hani




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Re: [OS-webwork] Re: Freemarker WAS Using SiteMesh for the UI tags

2003-01-29 Thread Jonathan Revusky

On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 03:09 PM, boxed wrote:


Anybody who reads the thread and was not born yesterday will see that
the Velocity people started all the personal attacks, all the ad
hominem and character assastination stuff against me specifically
because they could not deal with me in legitimate debate. That you,
Rickard, cannnot see through this, does not speak terribly well for 
you.

Please shut up now. I don't care if you were right or wrong, and 
neither
does the majority of the people on this list. If you really wish to 
debate
this create your own mailing list or mail the relevant people 
privately.
This is a WebWork mailing list, it is NOT for flame fests about totally
unrelated things.

I didn't bring up the topic. I'm through.

JR



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Re: [OS-webwork] Re: Freemarker WAS Using SiteMesh for the UI tags

2003-01-29 Thread Jonathan Revusky

On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 03:13 PM, Hani Suleiman wrote:


A flamewar wouldn't be complete without a few kindlings thrown in by 
me, so herw
goes...


Do you think I'm the only guy around who doesn't like it when people
spread disinformation about him behind his back? Other than that, do
you think that *I* have any interest in showing up on a webwork list
and arguing about some silly exchange that occured on the velocity
list? Hey, I've got plans and things to do... *you* are the guy who
brought up the subject!


Yes, and you're the one seeming unable to drop it.


sigh

Hani, you're pathetic. I can read you like a book. Here's the play:

You post some stuff like you just have, in a deliberate attempt to fan 
the flames. I rise to the bait. You pompously and pretentiously start 
talking about what a bad guy I am starting flamewars and so on.

But it's not going to work. This situation is utterly simple. If you 
don't want me showing up to set the record straight, you shouldn't talk 
about me behind my back, particularly grotesquely mischaracterizing 
things that happened. That was a mistake.



Moreover, you mischaracterize something completely, and I respond,
quite politely, and have pointed people to the information they need 
to
form their own judgment of what happened.

Politely, but at great tedious length.



Now back to our regular programming.


Right. No problem. But you shouldn't have brought up the subject. It
was a very bad idea. sigh


I hate to say it, but this perfectly illustrates Rickard's point. 
'right, no
problem', yet you had endless opinions/facts/whatever to throw around, 
without
anything relevant to webwork.

sigh Whatever happened on the velocity list is of course off-topic on 
a webwork list. But I didn't bring it up.  How the hell is it *my* 
fault that this subject is being discussed?


If anything, I'd say you've proven quite admirably
what Rickard was warning against. All rather amusing.


Look, people started talking about me and I simply pointed out a link 
and stated that if anybody wanted to know what really happened, they 
could refer to that.

But here are 2 suggestions if you truly do find this thread tedious and 
off-topic (as I surely do) :

1. Blame the person who brought up the tedious off-topic stuff. (Not 
me.)

2. Do not contribute to said thread yourself.

I'm going to unsubscribe from this list now. I don't have time for this 
kind of hypocritical bad-faithed stuff and I don't have time to play 
these kinds of childish games you're trying to engage me in. It bores 
me, it's too transparently obvious all this... SHIT.

Bye now,

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[OS-webwork] (Offtopic) Freemarker WAS Using SiteMesh for the UI tags

2003-01-29 Thread Rickard Öberg
I'll bite. Just this once.

Jonathan Revusky wrote:

Absolutely, go read it.


I think you should go read it too, Rickard. Your comments here do not 
seem to be based on any grasp of what really happened.

Just re-read it, and it re-confirmed my assesment of what happened, and 
my comments still stand.

Anybody who reads the thread and was not born yesterday will see that 
the Velocity people started all the personal attacks, all the ad hominem 
and character assastination stuff against me specifically because they 
could not deal with me in legitimate debate. That you, Rickard, cannnot 
see through this, does not speak terribly well for you.

Okidoki.


I am specifically saying that this is where the thread starts. Somebody 
starts talking about comparing monetary value and I take the opportunity 
to point out that FreeMarker has the features they want. The discussion 
continues where a bunch of the Velocity people decide to debate 
philosophically the desirability of decimal numbers and such.

What I meant was that it was a pretty good start of the rant, that went 
on and on and on and on.

I really think you ought to read the thread as well. I think that if you 
do, you will discover, to your chagrin, that my characterization of it 
is correct, and that, in fact, you owe me an apology.

I owe you zilch.


What an eloquant way to say I have the right to say whatever I want, 
wherever I want, whenever I want, no matter what anyone else thinks.
It's really fine up until the very last point. Your above reasoning 
would allow us to go to the Struts list to explain to them what a 
monumentally mediocre piece of work they have,

Hold on a second. I *never* stated on the Velocity list that Velocity 
was a monumentally mediocre piece of work. I just stated it here. On 
the Velocity list, I restricted myself to pointing out that features 
(such as decimal support among other things) that Velocity users were 
lobbying for, were already present in FreeMarker. That has its obnoxious 
side, but it is completely fair comment and I do not believe that you 
can really maintain otherwise.

You went in there with a specific agenda (which you stated yourself 
after a while), and from that point of view you thought that I have the 
right to say whatever I want, wherever I want, whenever I want, no 
matter what anyone else thinks, which is a point where we disagree and 
is the attitude that I objected to. I wouldn't want Struts people 
strutting around here like you did, and neither would I want WW folks 
ranting on the Struts lists. It's just bad taste.

In any case, your basic stance is fundamentally nonsensical. If you 
wanted to know what my behavior would be like on this list if FreeMarker 
became an OS project, the thing to look at would be my behavior on the 
FreeMarker list, *not* on the Velocity list. Furthermore, your 
characterization of my behavior on the Velocity list (though utterly 
irrelevant anyway) is also inaccurate. The other people invariably 
commenced the ad hominem attacks on me because they could not deal with 
me in legitimate technical debate. This is not a matter of legitimate 
controversy. It is what a reading of the electronic record will show.

And again, those who are interested in understanding this story should 
go read it. It's quite illuminating, especially since we seem to see 
completely different things.

BTW, in terms of my assessment of Velocity's quality as a piece of work, 
I pretty much completely pulled my punches there. I mean, just as one 
example, look at the way Velocity handles macro parameters. It passes 
them in as strings, that are reparsed and evaluated every time the 
parameter is referenced in the macro.  I simply pointed out that 
features that people had been lobbying unsuccessfully for in Velocity 
for god-knows-how-long were available in FreeMarker.

That's probably an interesting point, but this is the WW list. We don't 
really care.

which get the level of usage and attention that it does because it is 
a part of apache.org. Factually correct (one could argue), but oh so 
irrelevant.

I guess we will just have to agree on disagreeing on this point.

Well, as for agreeing to disagree, with the overtones of political 
correctness and relativism, well... sorry... I don't just agree to 
disagree with you on this matter. I am stating that your 
characterization of what happened is FALSE. And I have backed up the 
assertion by pointing to the exchange in question that anybody can read.

Or so you think. Most amusing.


Note that the reading of it is not particularly flattering to me. It 
shows my ability to push people's buttons for fun somewhat. BUT the 
behavior of the other people in the thread was typically far worse than 
mine. That much is pretty clear.

To you.


In other words, if someone else is a prick you have the right to be a 
prick too. Interesting logic, and again I guess we will just have to 
agree on disagreeing on this point.

I was simply stating 

Re: [OS-webwork] Re: Freemarker WAS Using SiteMesh for the UI tags

2003-01-29 Thread Scott Farquhar
+1.

Anyone actually want to commit something now?  Don't forget if you don't 
have CVS access - email me your diffs  I'll commit them.

Cheers,
Scott

boxed wrote:
Anybody who reads the thread and was not born yesterday will see that
the Velocity people started all the personal attacks, all the ad
hominem and character assastination stuff against me specifically
because they could not deal with me in legitimate debate. That you,
Rickard, cannnot see through this, does not speak terribly well for you.



Please shut up now. I don't care if you were right or wrong, and neither
does the majority of the people on this list. If you really wish to debate
this create your own mailing list or mail the relevant people privately.
This is a WebWork mailing list, it is NOT for flame fests about totally
unrelated things.

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RE: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Jason Carreira
Konstantin, 

I think the problem here is that you're not using the Model2 paradigm,
which Webwork is based upon. It sounds like you are hitting the JSPs
directly, whereas, in Webwork, we would hit foo.action, which (because
*.action is mapped to the Webwork ServletDispatcher) would be handled by
Webwork, and the ActionContext would be automatically set up for you and
ready to access from ActionContext.getSession().

Jason

 -Original Message-
 From: Konstantin Priblouda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:30 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: webwork-devel
 Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification
 
 
 
   What is correct way to obtain ActionContext
   which was initialized with HttpSession data if
  there
   is
   HttpSession around?
  
  I think ServletActionContext.getSession() works.
 
 This method does not exists in current CVS version
 of webwork...
 
 Another question: 
 It seems to me that ActionContext is stored as
 TreadLocal, is this map kept in synch with session
 contents?
 
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Re: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification

2003-01-29 Thread Dick Zetterberg
- Original Message -
From: Jason Carreira [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: [OS-webwork] ActionContext clarification


 Konstantin,

 I think the problem here is that you're not using the Model2 paradigm,
 which Webwork is based upon. It sounds like you are hitting the JSPs
 directly, whereas, in Webwork, we would hit foo.action, which (because
 *.action is mapped to the Webwork ServletDispatcher) would be handled by
 Webwork, and the ActionContext would be automatically set up for you and
 ready to access from ActionContext.getSession().


As Rickard has said the problem is that there is no initialized context,
however I would not go as far saying that Webwork is only for Model-2. In
the WW documentation it is clearly described to be for both Model-1 and
Model-2 (that part written by Rickard originally I think). And in a Model-1
approach you use the ww:action and ww:bean tags.
And I think one should not forget this because there are times when Model-1
can be useful, and you can scare away people by saying that it is only
Model-2 (because they feel it gets more complicated than they want it).
In Konstantin's case one solution could be to use a ww:action in the page.

Best regards,

Dick

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RE: [OS-webwork] URLTag changes in ww 1.3

2003-01-29 Thread Vedovato Paolo
sorry to come in so late...;-) 

I think the default should be how it is now, since after the 
last change, people
have on the whole adapter their code to the new behaviour.

no problem with that, but then it should be remembered to adapt the
webwork table jsp template to mirror the original (1.2.1) behavior.

 Here is a suggestion for a change to the URLTag for 1.3. It 
uses a new
 attribute includeParams to determine what parameters to 
include: none, get
 or all.

very good :-) this should match the requirements.

Could this be checked in?

Cheers
-Paolo


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RE: [OS-webwork] Re: Freemarker WAS Using SiteMesh for the UI tags

2003-01-29 Thread Jason Carreira


 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Nokleberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 When is the next 
 WebWork release planned for?
 
 -Chris

Good question :-)


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[OS-webwork] Problem with Eclipse and Tomcat Plugin

2003-01-29 Thread Thomas Kramer
Hi,

I have a problem, runnung Eclipse 2.1 on W2K with the tomcat 4.12 plugin
from Sysdeo. If I use the webwork classes in my project and start tomcat within
the eclipse ide, tomcat returns the error HTTP Status 503 - Servlet action
is currently unavailable after calling an webwork action. JSP pages run
correctly.

If I start tomcat normally with the startup.bat from the bin directory,
everything works fine.

Does anyone has experiences with eclipse, tomcat and webwork?

Do I have to set other jars in the project-classpath, I only added the
webwork.jar to the libraries in the projects java build path.

Thanks for your  help,
Thomas Kramer



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RE: [OS-webwork] Problem with Eclipse and Tomcat Plugin

2003-01-29 Thread tobyhede
I ran into this one as well. I have to check my home configuration, but I
think you do have to add  your jars to the project classpath -
Eclipse/Sysdeo seem to effect the Tomcat classpath settings.



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Subject: [OS-webwork] Problem with Eclipse and Tomcat Plugin


Hi,

I have a problem, runnung Eclipse 2.1 on W2K with the tomcat 4.12 plugin
from Sysdeo. If I use the webwork classes in my project and start tomcat
within the eclipse ide, tomcat returns the error HTTP Status 503 - Servlet
action is currently unavailable after calling an webwork action. JSP pages
run correctly.

If I start tomcat normally with the startup.bat from the bin directory,
everything works fine.

Does anyone has experiences with eclipse, tomcat and webwork?

Do I have to set other jars in the project-classpath, I only added the
webwork.jar to the libraries in the projects java build path.

Thanks for your  help,
Thomas Kramer



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Re: [OS-webwork] (Offtopic) Freemarker WAS Using SiteMesh for theUI tags

2003-01-29 Thread Rickard Öberg
Still off-topic.

Rickard Öberg wrote:
hge snip

Goodbye Jonathan.


Jonathan is bashing on me off-line. Has anyone read the Velocity thread 
and found my characterization of it as disgusting to be way out of 
line and bordering on harassment of Jonathan?

He sez:
And you had no fucking business badmouthing me on a public list where 
it was completely off-topic. Also, the characterization of my ranting 
-- as if nobody else's shit stank there -- was fundamentally dishonest.

Did anyone consider my opinion of the thread as badmouthing him?

Just curious.

/Rickard

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