Re: packet captures of sony's new 80Mbit service?
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Re: packet captures of sony's new 80Mbit service?
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 5:21 PM Sebastian Moeller wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > > > On Oct 11, 2023, at 21:05, Mark Thurston wrote: > > > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 18:04:41 +0100 Dave Taht wrote --- > >> Anyone got a ps4 or ps5 and can take a packet capture at their router? > >> Dying to know if it is cubic or bbr in particular > >> > > > > Sorry if this is a silly comment but will all traffic not be encrypted? > > [SM] Yes, likely it will be. > > > Unless you've changed the certs on the PS, surely it won't be easy to do > > MITM packet analysis of the content, only analysis of the approximate size? He just wants the TCP headers/flows to see what algorithm they are using for congestion. Encryption of the payload is irrelevant here. > [SM] I guess the first question really is, is the data rate going to > be constant or variable and what rate will be measurable on average... and > will the quality be noticeably better. After all few users will pick an 80 > Mbps service unless that is noticeably better than a 25 mbps service... I can > hardly notice the difference between 1K and 4K resolution (on a 43inch > display at 2-3 meter distance) so I would likely not notice or care, but I am > not the core audience anyway ;) > > > Regards > Sebatian > > > > ___ > > openwrt-devel mailing list > > openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org > > https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel > > > ___ > openwrt-devel mailing list > openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org > https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: packet captures of sony's new 80Mbit service?
Hi Mark, > On Oct 11, 2023, at 21:05, Mark Thurston wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 18:04:41 +0100 Dave Taht wrote --- >> Anyone got a ps4 or ps5 and can take a packet capture at their router? >> Dying to know if it is cubic or bbr in particular >> > > Sorry if this is a silly comment but will all traffic not be encrypted? [SM] Yes, likely it will be. > Unless you've changed the certs on the PS, surely it won't be easy to do MITM > packet analysis of the content, only analysis of the approximate size? [SM] I guess the first question really is, is the data rate going to be constant or variable and what rate will be measurable on average... and will the quality be noticeably better. After all few users will pick an 80 Mbps service unless that is noticeably better than a 25 mbps service... I can hardly notice the difference between 1K and 4K resolution (on a 43inch display at 2-3 meter distance) so I would likely not notice or care, but I am not the core audience anyway ;) Regards Sebatian > ___ > openwrt-devel mailing list > openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org > https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: packet captures of sony's new 80Mbit service?
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 18:04:41 +0100 Dave Taht wrote --- > Anyone got a ps4 or ps5 and can take a packet capture at their router? > Dying to know if it is cubic or bbr in particular > Sorry if this is a silly comment but will all traffic not be encrypted? Unless you've changed the certs on the PS, surely it won't be easy to do MITM packet analysis of the content, only analysis of the approximate size?___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: packet captures of sony's new 80Mbit service?
> > Anyone got a ps4 or ps5 and can take a packet capture at their router? > Dying to know if it is cubic or bbr in particular > > https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/23/10/05/154219/sonys-high-bitrate-movie-service-is-now-available-on-ps5-and-ps4 > 80 mbps oh boy... the dream for correct streaming of content ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
packet captures of sony's new 80Mbit service?
Anyone got a ps4 or ps5 and can take a packet capture at their router? Dying to know if it is cubic or bbr in particular https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/23/10/05/154219/sonys-high-bitrate-movie-service-is-now-available-on-ps5-and-ps4 -- Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
