Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time
I fully agree with Gerald – especially regarding his point that it is simpler to calculate the local meeting time based on UTC. The recent change has caused quite some confusion in the NetReady meeting schedule… Some of you have noticed. ;-) Georg From: opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org [mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org] On Behalf Of morgan.richo...@orange.com Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 10:50 AM To: Kunzmann, Gerald ; Bob Monkman ; Raymond Paik ; opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org Subject: Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time +1 for UTC /Morgan Le 05/12/2016 à 10:11, Kunzmann, Gerald a écrit : Hi everyone, Independent on which timezone we use, this will result in conflicts in some regions. I agree with Bob that for US/EU this would mean a shift in meeting time for months and might lead to meeting clashes with other non-OPNFV meetings. However, at the moment this problem is with Asia as they don’t have daylight saving times. So, this will mean pain for a large group of people in the one and the other case. The benefit I see for using UTC times is that it would be easier to calculate the meeting times for the individual time zones. You don’t have to worry about PST/PDT etc… Furthermore, I guess everyone knows that his timezone is UTC+X so he can easily figure out the meeting time in his zone, whereas I have to be more careful to remember what is the delta between PST/PDT and CET/CEST. If we plan to go to UTC times and adapt meeting times to daylight saving, then, which daylight saving schedule to take into account? Note that US and Europe start/end daylight saving at different weeks, which has in the past often caused some confusion for some OPNFV meetings. Best regards, Gerald From: opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org<mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org> [mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org] On Behalf Of Bob Monkman Sent: Sonntag, 4. Dezember 2016 23:44 To: Raymond Paik <mailto:rp...@linuxfoundation.org>; opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org<mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org> Subject: Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time Ray, I am flexible if folks in the majority wish to switch to UTC. Like others have mentioned, all of my company meetings are pretty much set to US time. When my Armband call is set to PST, there is confusion and shift 1-3 weeks at DST times- the UTC would shift times for months and cause us to request other meetings to shift for the same period. I would prefer therefore to _not_ change. Bob From: opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org<mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org> [mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Paik Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 10:33 AM To: opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org<mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org> Subject: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time All, Another follow-up from the TSC... Over the past couple of years, we've had discussions on whether meetings like TSC or Release call times should be based on Pacific Time (as has been the tradition since OPNFV started) or if the community should move to UTC. UTC obviously has the benefit of not changing with Daylight Savings/Summer time switches twice a year in North America/Europe. When we last had the discussion, a large number of people preferred staying with Pacific Time as most of their work meetings (esp. outside of OPNFV) are based on their local timezones and not UTC. If we're to move to UTC here's how the meeting times will change for the TSC call in Pacific and Central European Timezones. Standard Time (now) * PT: 07:00 * CET: 16:00 * UTC: 15:00 * China: 23:00 Daylight Savings/Summer Time (March-November in 2017) * PT: 08:00 * CET: 17:00 * UTC: 15:00 * China: 23:00 Can you reply to the email with your comments/preference on UTC. vs Pacific Time? Thanks, Ray IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ___ opnfv-tech-discuss mailing list opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org<mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org> https://lists.opnfv.org/mailman/listinfo/opnfv-tech-discuss -- Morgan Richomme Orange/ IMT/ OLN/ CNC/ NCA/ SINA Network architect for innovative services Future of the Network community member Open source Orange community manager tel. +33 (0) 296 072 106 mob. +33 (0) 637 753 326 morgan.richo...@orange.com<mailto:morgan.richo...@orange.com> __
Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time
+1 for UTC /Morgan Le 05/12/2016 à 10:11, Kunzmann, Gerald a écrit : > > Hi everyone, > > > > Independent on which timezone we use, this will result in conflicts in > some regions. I agree with Bob that for US/EU this would mean a shift > in meeting time for months and might lead to meeting clashes with > other non-OPNFV meetings. However, at the moment this problem is with > Asia as they don’t have daylight saving times. So, this will mean pain > for a large group of people in the one and the other case. > > > > The benefit I see for using UTC times is that it would be easier to > calculate the meeting times for the individual time zones. You don’t > have to worry about PST/PDT etc… Furthermore, I guess everyone knows > that his timezone is UTC+X so he can easily figure out the meeting > time in his zone, whereas I have to be more careful to remember what > is the delta between PST/PDT and CET/CEST. > > > > If we plan to go to UTC times and adapt meeting times to daylight > saving, then, which daylight saving schedule to take into account? > Note that US and Europe start/end daylight saving at different weeks, > which has in the past often caused some confusion for some OPNFV meetings. > > > > Best regards, > > Gerald > > > > *From:*opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org > [mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob > Monkman > *Sent:* Sonntag, 4. Dezember 2016 23:44 > *To:* Raymond Paik ; > opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org > *Subject:* Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time > > > > Ray, > > I am flexible if folks in the majority wish to switch to UTC. Like > others have mentioned, all of my company meetings are pretty much set > to US time. When my Armband call is set to PST, there is confusion and > shift 1-3 weeks at DST times- the UTC would shift times for months and > cause us to request other meetings to shift for the same period. I > would prefer therefore to _/not/_ change. > > > > Bob > > > > *From:*opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org > <mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org> > [mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org] *On Behalf Of > *Raymond Paik > *Sent:* Friday, December 2, 2016 10:33 AM > *To:* opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org > <mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org> > *Subject:* [opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time > > > > All, > > > > Another follow-up from the TSC... > > > > Over the past couple of years, we've had discussions on whether > meetings like TSC or Release call times should be based on Pacific > Time (as has been the tradition since OPNFV started) or if the > community should move to UTC. > > > > UTC obviously has the benefit of not changing with Daylight > Savings/Summer time switches twice a year in North America/Europe. > When we last had the discussion, a large number of people preferred > staying with Pacific Time as most of their work meetings (esp. outside > of OPNFV) are based on their local timezones and not UTC. > > > > If we're to move to UTC here's how the meeting times will change for > the TSC call in Pacific and Central European Timezones. > > > > Standard Time (now) > > * PT: 07:00 > * CET: 16:00 > * UTC: 15:00 > * China: 23:00 > > Daylight Savings/Summer Time (March-November in 2017) > > * PT: 08:00 > * CET: 17:00 > * UTC: 15:00 > * China: 23:00 > > Can you reply to the email with your comments/preference on UTC. vs > Pacific Time? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ray > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are > confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose > the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or > copy the information in any medium. Thank you. > > > > ___ > opnfv-tech-discuss mailing list > opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org > https://lists.opnfv.org/mailman/listinfo/opnfv-tech-discuss -- Morgan Richomme Orange/ IMT/ OLN/ CNC/ NCA/ SINA Network architect for innovative services Future of the Network community member Open source Orange community manager tel. +33 (0) 296 072 106 mob. +33 (0) 637 753 326 morgan.richo...@orange.com _ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etr
Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time
Hi everyone, Independent on which timezone we use, this will result in conflicts in some regions. I agree with Bob that for US/EU this would mean a shift in meeting time for months and might lead to meeting clashes with other non-OPNFV meetings. However, at the moment this problem is with Asia as they don’t have daylight saving times. So, this will mean pain for a large group of people in the one and the other case. The benefit I see for using UTC times is that it would be easier to calculate the meeting times for the individual time zones. You don’t have to worry about PST/PDT etc… Furthermore, I guess everyone knows that his timezone is UTC+X so he can easily figure out the meeting time in his zone, whereas I have to be more careful to remember what is the delta between PST/PDT and CET/CEST. If we plan to go to UTC times and adapt meeting times to daylight saving, then, which daylight saving schedule to take into account? Note that US and Europe start/end daylight saving at different weeks, which has in the past often caused some confusion for some OPNFV meetings. Best regards, Gerald From: opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org [mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org] On Behalf Of Bob Monkman Sent: Sonntag, 4. Dezember 2016 23:44 To: Raymond Paik ; opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org Subject: Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time Ray, I am flexible if folks in the majority wish to switch to UTC. Like others have mentioned, all of my company meetings are pretty much set to US time. When my Armband call is set to PST, there is confusion and shift 1-3 weeks at DST times- the UTC would shift times for months and cause us to request other meetings to shift for the same period. I would prefer therefore to _not_ change. Bob From: opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org<mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org> [mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Paik Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 10:33 AM To: opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org<mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org> Subject: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time All, Another follow-up from the TSC... Over the past couple of years, we've had discussions on whether meetings like TSC or Release call times should be based on Pacific Time (as has been the tradition since OPNFV started) or if the community should move to UTC. UTC obviously has the benefit of not changing with Daylight Savings/Summer time switches twice a year in North America/Europe. When we last had the discussion, a large number of people preferred staying with Pacific Time as most of their work meetings (esp. outside of OPNFV) are based on their local timezones and not UTC. If we're to move to UTC here's how the meeting times will change for the TSC call in Pacific and Central European Timezones. Standard Time (now) * PT: 07:00 * CET: 16:00 * UTC: 15:00 * China: 23:00 Daylight Savings/Summer Time (March-November in 2017) * PT: 08:00 * CET: 17:00 * UTC: 15:00 * China: 23:00 Can you reply to the email with your comments/preference on UTC. vs Pacific Time? Thanks, Ray IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ___ opnfv-tech-discuss mailing list opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org https://lists.opnfv.org/mailman/listinfo/opnfv-tech-discuss
Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time
Ray, I am flexible if folks in the majority wish to switch to UTC. Like others have mentioned, all of my company meetings are pretty much set to US time. When my Armband call is set to PST, there is confusion and shift 1-3 weeks at DST times- the UTC would shift times for months and cause us to request other meetings to shift for the same period. I would prefer therefore to _not_ change. Bob From: opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org [mailto:opnfv-tech-discuss-boun...@lists.opnfv.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Paik Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 10:33 AM To: opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org Subject: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time All, Another follow-up from the TSC... Over the past couple of years, we've had discussions on whether meetings like TSC or Release call times should be based on Pacific Time (as has been the tradition since OPNFV started) or if the community should move to UTC. UTC obviously has the benefit of not changing with Daylight Savings/Summer time switches twice a year in North America/Europe. When we last had the discussion, a large number of people preferred staying with Pacific Time as most of their work meetings (esp. outside of OPNFV) are based on their local timezones and not UTC. If we're to move to UTC here's how the meeting times will change for the TSC call in Pacific and Central European Timezones. Standard Time (now) * PT: 07:00 * CET: 16:00 * UTC: 15:00 * China: 23:00 Daylight Savings/Summer Time (March-November in 2017) * PT: 08:00 * CET: 17:00 * UTC: 15:00 * China: 23:00 Can you reply to the email with your comments/preference on UTC. vs Pacific Time? Thanks, Ray IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ___ opnfv-tech-discuss mailing list opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org https://lists.opnfv.org/mailman/listinfo/opnfv-tech-discuss
Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time
Hi Ray, On 12/02/2016 01:33 PM, Raymond Paik wrote: > Over the past couple of years, we've had discussions on whether meetings > like TSC or Release call times should be based on Pacific Time (as has > been the tradition since OPNFV started) or if the community should move > to UTC. > > UTC obviously has the benefit of not changing with Daylight > Savings/Summer time switches twice a year in North America/Europe. When > we last had the discussion, a large number of people preferred staying > with Pacific Time as most of their work meetings (esp. outside of OPNFV) > are based on their local timezones and not UTC. > > If we're to move to UTC here's how the meeting times will change for the > TSC call in Pacific and Central European Timezones. The main issue for me is that the 6am PST -> 9am PST time slots (9am - noon EST for me) are very congested, because they are the only time slots that are feasible for West Coast, Asia, Europe, and East Coast participants (including at work). For the most part, the other meetings I have track local time for European and US participants (with 2-3 weeks negotiation during the period when one has switched to Summer/Winter time and the other has not). I realise this is unfair to Chinese participants and other countries without DST, as twice a year the meeting times change for them. If OPNFV's TSC meeting changes to tracking a UTC time, this would not have a huge impact, except to potentially create a conflict with the meetings happening the hour before/after now, which track US or European local time. Thanks, Dave. -- Dave Neary - NFV/SDN Community Strategy Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com Ph: +1-978-399-2182 / Cell: +1-978-799-3338 ___ opnfv-tech-discuss mailing list opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org https://lists.opnfv.org/mailman/listinfo/opnfv-tech-discuss
Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time
It doesn't matter to me. The issue is making sure the info is up to date, especially if calendar invites are used. Also, I really wish we could discuss stuff via email or discussion forum first. My preference has and continues to be for Discourse. But I think we are trying to have too complex of discussions in too short of a period. Or we make great progress, but we have to do it again because a key person was not on the call. I wish we'd move up to the 21st century a bit 😉. And no, I'm not gonna use bot to monitor irc. Best, Ash Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 2, 2016, at 10:33, Raymond Paik wrote: > > All, > > Another follow-up from the TSC... > > Over the past couple of years, we've had discussions on whether meetings like > TSC or Release call times should be based on Pacific Time (as has been the > tradition since OPNFV started) or if the community should move to UTC. > > UTC obviously has the benefit of not changing with Daylight Savings/Summer > time switches twice a year in North America/Europe. When we last had the > discussion, a large number of people preferred staying with Pacific Time as > most of their work meetings (esp. outside of OPNFV) are based on their local > timezones and not UTC. > > If we're to move to UTC here's how the meeting times will change for the TSC > call in Pacific and Central European Timezones. > > Standard Time (now) > PT: 07:00 > CET: 16:00 > UTC: 15:00 > China: 23:00 > Daylight Savings/Summer Time (March-November in 2017) > PT: 08:00 > CET: 17:00 > UTC: 15:00 > China: 23:00 > Can you reply to the email with your comments/preference on UTC. vs Pacific > Time? > > Thanks, > > Ray > ___ > opnfv-tech-discuss mailing list > opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org > https://lists.opnfv.org/mailman/listinfo/opnfv-tech-discuss ___ opnfv-tech-discuss mailing list opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org https://lists.opnfv.org/mailman/listinfo/opnfv-tech-discuss
[opnfv-tech-discuss] Discussion on UTC vs. Pacific Time
All, Another follow-up from the TSC... Over the past couple of years, we've had discussions on whether meetings like TSC or Release call times should be based on Pacific Time (as has been the tradition since OPNFV started) or if the community should move to UTC. UTC obviously has the benefit of not changing with Daylight Savings/Summer time switches twice a year in North America/Europe. When we last had the discussion, a large number of people preferred staying with Pacific Time as most of their work meetings (esp. outside of OPNFV) are based on their local timezones and not UTC. If we're to move to UTC here's how the meeting times will change for the TSC call in Pacific and Central European Timezones. Standard Time (now) - PT: 07:00 - CET: 16:00 - UTC: 15:00 - China: 23:00 Daylight Savings/Summer Time (March-November in 2017) - PT: 08:00 - CET: 17:00 - UTC: 15:00 - China: 23:00 Can you reply to the email with your comments/preference on UTC. vs Pacific Time? Thanks, Ray ___ opnfv-tech-discuss mailing list opnfv-tech-discuss@lists.opnfv.org https://lists.opnfv.org/mailman/listinfo/opnfv-tech-discuss
