Re: [RFC] Campaign »Buy/S ponsor a relay.«
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:30:27PM -0600, benn...@cs.niu.edu wrote 4.3K bytes in 78 lines about: : The everyone as a relay thing has been discussed here in the past : ad nauseam and has ended up opposed every time for very good reasons. The : everyone as a bridge idea ought to fail for the same reasons, but would : have the additional complication of requiring that tor *not* run as a bridge : if it is already running as a relay with a published descriptor. The difference is we're not looking to do it automatically without asking. Prompting the user you appear reachable, would you like to help censored users around the world? y/n? is a first step. Steven or Roger can talk more about this in detail. : In the U.S., at least, that effort would be furthered, I think, by : a publicity campaign identifying ISPs that provide *full* Internet access : to residential accounts, as opposed to ISPs that provide only *partial* : Internet access to residential accounts (e.g., Comcast). That would help : to provide a marketing advantage to ISPs offering full service over ISPs : that don't. It might also be worthwhile to start a complaint-to-the-FCC : campaign to report misleading advertising by ISPs that offer only partial : access but market it as Internet access as if it were full access. This is a fine page to start on the wiki. However, most users in the US don't have more than one or two options for broadband. Hopefully one of the two options will be more full access than the other. -- Andrew Lewman The Tor Project pgp 0x31B0974B Website: https://www.torproject.org/ Blog: https://blog.torproject.org/ Identi.ca: torproject *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: [RFC] Campaign »Buy/S ponsor a relay.«
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:24:54PM -0800, atag...@gmail.com wrote 8.3K bytes in 180 lines about: : Hence, as long as any hosting entity properly set the 'Family' parameter, I : think we should welcome this sort of hired-relay-operation. The proper : countermeasure for this problem (imho) would be to grant relays an implied : family based on geoip data and known ISP/hoster ip ranges (ie, don't make my : circuit through multiple relays hosted by Comcast or, say, in the US). Yes, and there's some research into Autonomous System (AS) level routing and aggregation concerns. This whole sponsor a relay concept has come up internally in the past. The idea is based on the assumption that there are organizations with more money then technical skill willing to fund someone to run a relay for some defined period of time, bandwidth, etc. I'm not sure this is true at this point in time. However, this doesn't mean that starting a marketplace or exchange where people with some money can meet people with technical skill in operating a relay is a bad idea. It's a fine experiment to learn about the demand from both ends, and figure out what the market would decide on pricing for slow/fast relays, non-exit/exit relays, branded/Unnamed relays, and reliability and uptime. Of course, this could also introduce some interesting incentives to cheat. Coldbot in the UK is the first such market. I wonder if they'll share how it is going so far. -- Andrew Lewman The Tor Project pgp 0x31B0974B Website: https://www.torproject.org/ Blog: https://blog.torproject.org/ Identi.ca: torproject *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
