Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-12 Thread intrigeri
Hi,

Hannah Schroeter wrote (10 Feb 2010 15:33:48 GMT) :
 I don't see a *completely* automatic solution, and I didn't mean it
 either. I meant things like announcing them by mail (and ensuring
 that one doesn't need *too* frequent updates, as that would pose
 additional workload on seed operators, as well as additional
 download load to them, too).

A low-traffic mailing-list [1] has been setup to answer this need. 
(It is actually a rss2email gateway for the amnesia news RSS feed.)

Seeders, please consider subscribing to either this mailing-list or
the RSS / Atom feed, in order to avoid seeding outdated versions.

[1] https://boum.org/mailman/listinfo/amnesia-news

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Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-12 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi!

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:44:06PM +0100, intrigeri wrote:
Hi,

Hannah Schroeter wrote (10 Feb 2010 15:33:48 GMT) :
 I don't see a *completely* automatic solution, and I didn't mean it
 either. I meant things like announcing them by mail (and ensuring
 that one doesn't need *too* frequent updates, as that would pose
 additional workload on seed operators, as well as additional
 download load to them, too).

A low-traffic mailing-list [1] has been setup to answer this need. 
(It is actually a rss2email gateway for the amnesia news RSS feed.)

Seeders, please consider subscribing to either this mailing-list or
the RSS / Atom feed, in order to avoid seeding outdated versions.

[1] https://boum.org/mailman/listinfo/amnesia-news

Good idea. However, my French is a bit lacking, and the certificate
problem is still there (konqueror doesn't recognize it because of the
cacert root certificate). (Curiously, firefox *does* recognize it.)

I still just subscribed it (probably pending confirmation).

Kind regards,

Hannah.

PS: Are the older powerpc versions still worthwhile to seed? Just
downloading amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent in order to
keep the client running to seed it.
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Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-12 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi!

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 12:45:18AM +0100, intrigeri wrote:
Hannah Schroeter wrote (12 Feb 2010 23:13:51 GMT) :
 However, my French is a bit lacking

Fixed, thanks for the report.

Cool, I see it, also the language choice for those who actually prefer
French.

 and the certificate problem is still there (konqueror doesn't
 recognize it because of the cacert root certificate). (Curiously,
 firefox *does* recognize it.)

cacert's root CA can be imported into Konqueror.

Thanks for the hint, just did it (from the local root CA file which
firefox uses).

[...]

 PS: Are the older powerpc versions still worthwhile to seed?

Well... AFAIK, they have never been tested on real hardware, I doubt
they actually work, and we have never received any kind of user
feedback about them. This is why no powerpc image was built for
amnesia 0.4.x.

Ok.

Curiously (?), this is also why I am in favour of doing anything that
can help changing this state of things; including seeding these images
= they are tested = we get bug reports and can fix them.

Hmmm. I'm not sure. Why should people use pre-built binaries of *older*
versions if current source is available too...

If I had a powerpc, I'd use the source in that case (at least if it's
really usable, as in I don't have to invest a million of hours ;) of
manual work to build).

But ok, perhaps others think differently, so people get to decide,
whichever gets downloaded most will get most of my upload bandwidth. :)

Kind regards,

Hannah.
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Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
thus Hannah Schroeter spake:
 Hi!

Hi,

 Just checked a bit.
 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:13:05AM +0100, intrigeri wrote:
 Hannah Schroeter wrote (09 Feb 2010 21:26:07 GMT) :
 404 Not found for both the RSS and the Atom.
 
 oops, sorry, the correct links are:
 
 - RSS: https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/rss/index.rss
 - Atom: https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/rss/index.atom
 
 They're right now.
 
 Btw, if you want people to do something (keep seeds running),
 perhaps make it less work for them. I.e. push principle instead of
 pull principle (having to actively poll a feed on and off, no, I'm
 not one of the RSS/... junkies anyway).
 
 Well, this would be great, but I don't know any way of pushing new
 .torrent files to seeds we don't manage ourselves; we need to research
 this, as solutions probably exist already. Any idea?
 
 I don't see a *completely* automatic solution, and I didn't mean it
 either. I meant things like announcing them by mail (and ensuring that
 one doesn't need *too* frequent updates,

+1. I could provide a bunch of well-connected machines seeding, but
updates on new releases would be best by email. I like it old school. ;)

 as that would pose additional
 workload on seed operators, as well as additional download load to them,
 too).
 
 One also has to follow quite many links from the start page (or the
 download page) to finally actually *get* to the torrents. Perhaps
 optimize the link depth?
 
 Ack, we will try to fix this.
 
 Okay.
 
 wget also complains about a certificate mismatch
 
 $ wget
 https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/files/amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent
 --22:25:04--
 https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/files/amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent
= `amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent'
 Resolving amnesia.boum.org... 204.13.164.189
 Connecting to amnesia.boum.org|204.13.164.189|:443... connected.
 ERROR: certificate common name `boum.org' doesn't match requested host
 name `amnesia.boum.org'.
 To connect to amnesia.boum.org insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'.
 Unable to establish SSL connection.
 
 Agreed, this is truly annoying.
 
 The certificate is actually valid: it has the *.boum.org wildcard
 listed in Subject Alternative Name. Many clients, such as wget,
 don't understand such valid, though uncommon, certificates. I'll ask
 the webhost sysadmins to get a new certificate with amnesia.boum.org
 explicitly listed as a SubjAltName.
 
 Okay.
 
 Staying tuned a bit.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Hannah.
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Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-10 Thread intrigeri
Hi,

Hannah Schroeter wrote (09 Feb 2010 21:26:07 GMT) :
 404 Not found for both the RSS and the Atom.

oops, sorry, the correct links are:

- RSS: https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/rss/index.rss
- Atom: https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/rss/index.atom

 Btw, if you want people to do something (keep seeds running),
 perhaps make it less work for them. I.e. push principle instead of
 pull principle (having to actively poll a feed on and off, no, I'm
 not one of the RSS/... junkies anyway).

Well, this would be great, but I don't know any way of pushing new
.torrent files to seeds we don't manage ourselves; we need to research
this, as solutions probably exist already. Any idea?

 One also has to follow quite many links from the start page (or the
 download page) to finally actually *get* to the torrents. Perhaps
 optimize the link depth?

Ack, we will try to fix this.

 wget also complains about a certificate mismatch

 $ wget
 https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/files/amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent
 --22:25:04--
 https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/files/amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent
= `amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent'
 Resolving amnesia.boum.org... 204.13.164.189
 Connecting to amnesia.boum.org|204.13.164.189|:443... connected.
 ERROR: certificate common name `boum.org' doesn't match requested host
 name `amnesia.boum.org'.
 To connect to amnesia.boum.org insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'.
 Unable to establish SSL connection.

Agreed, this is truly annoying.

The certificate is actually valid: it has the *.boum.org wildcard
listed in Subject Alternative Name. Many clients, such as wget,
don't understand such valid, though uncommon, certificates. I'll ask
the webhost sysadmins to get a new certificate with amnesia.boum.org
explicitly listed as a SubjAltName.

 So that was my part of the work when I tried to seed things for no
 personal use.

Thanks a lot for this useful feedback that will help us making it
easier for people to help.

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Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-10 Thread Ewald Tienkamp
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The following was received from Hannah Schroeter, on 02/09/10 22:26:
 wget also complains about a certificate mismatch

The following was received from Walt Mankowski, on 02/09/10 22:37:
 One problem there might be your SSL certificate

Obviously this has to do with CAcert certificates not being shipped by
default with most browsers and torrent clients. You may want to check
http://cacert.org for more info on CAcert. I think using CAcert for SSL
should be fine, though you may want to refer people of the proper CAcert
root certificates on the front page or something like that.

Aside from this, I second some of the sentiments expressed by people
before me: polling RSS to see whether a new torrent is available is not
going to improve the number of seeds, and I had to click many times
before I finally got to the page with the actual torrents. Also, yes,
the RSS feed seems to be non-existent.

Regards,
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ew...@tienkamp.nl
http://ewald.tienkamp.info
http://ewald.tienkamp.nl
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Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-10 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi!

Just checked a bit.
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:13:05AM +0100, intrigeri wrote:
Hannah Schroeter wrote (09 Feb 2010 21:26:07 GMT) :
 404 Not found for both the RSS and the Atom.

oops, sorry, the correct links are:

- RSS: https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/rss/index.rss
- Atom: https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/rss/index.atom

They're right now.

 Btw, if you want people to do something (keep seeds running),
 perhaps make it less work for them. I.e. push principle instead of
 pull principle (having to actively poll a feed on and off, no, I'm
 not one of the RSS/... junkies anyway).

Well, this would be great, but I don't know any way of pushing new
.torrent files to seeds we don't manage ourselves; we need to research
this, as solutions probably exist already. Any idea?

I don't see a *completely* automatic solution, and I didn't mean it
either. I meant things like announcing them by mail (and ensuring that
one doesn't need *too* frequent updates, as that would pose additional
workload on seed operators, as well as additional download load to them,
too).

 One also has to follow quite many links from the start page (or the
 download page) to finally actually *get* to the torrents. Perhaps
 optimize the link depth?

Ack, we will try to fix this.

Okay.

 wget also complains about a certificate mismatch

 $ wget
 https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/files/amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent
 --22:25:04--
 https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/files/amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent
= `amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent'
 Resolving amnesia.boum.org... 204.13.164.189
 Connecting to amnesia.boum.org|204.13.164.189|:443... connected.
 ERROR: certificate common name `boum.org' doesn't match requested host
 name `amnesia.boum.org'.
 To connect to amnesia.boum.org insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'.
 Unable to establish SSL connection.

Agreed, this is truly annoying.

The certificate is actually valid: it has the *.boum.org wildcard
listed in Subject Alternative Name. Many clients, such as wget,
don't understand such valid, though uncommon, certificates. I'll ask
the webhost sysadmins to get a new certificate with amnesia.boum.org
explicitly listed as a SubjAltName.

Okay.

Staying tuned a bit.

Kind regards,

Hannah.
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Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-10 Thread intrigeri
Hi,

 Hannah Schroeter wrote (09 Feb 2010 21:26:07 GMT) :

 One also has to follow quite many links from the start page (or the
 download page) to finally actually *get* to the torrents.
 Perhaps optimize the link depth?

Can you please have a look to the website again? This seems to be far
better now.

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Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-09 Thread intrigeri
Hello,

Timo Schoeler wrote (09 Feb 2010 18:45:25 GMT) :
 That is very good to hear; however: is the torrent functional?
 Download takes ages.

It is, but we desperately lack seeds. Anyone, please help seeding
amnesia if you're interested + can afford it. If you want to
participate, please take care of always seeding the newest release:
there's RSS[0] and Atom[1] feeds of the available Torrents to help
being up-to-date.

 Is there any effort in making a redundant and *trusted* download
 mirror infrastructure available?

Not yet. I quite like BitTorrent as it gives you a very efficient
mirroring infrastructure for free, once you've got enough peers who
are willing to seed. Moreover, it may be a bit harder to censor
a given .torrent files than a well known HTTP mirrors pool.

But I suppose you're talking about HTTP here, so... what do you mean
by *trusted*? For such a trusted mirroring infrastructure to be
useful, people who download amnesia need to be able to trust the
network as well...

IMHO, it is easier (client side) to:

A) trust neither the mirror nor the network, and rely on OpenPGP
   signatures only (= need for
- the signing key to be signed by keys in the strong set
- end-users documentation explaining how to download using
  BitTorrent, how to check OpenPGP signatures
   )

... than to ...

B) trust the mirror, and do what's necessary to be able to trust the
   network too; by being able to trust the network, I don't mean to
   trust every Mozilla-approved SSL CA.

 If so, how can we help?

Adding a todo item to our wiki[2] would be a good starting point, so
that there's a place to discuss and coordinate it.

[0] https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/rss/index.en.rss
[1] https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/rss/index.en.atom
[2] https://amnesia.boum.org/todo/

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Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-09 Thread intrigeri
Hi,

Max wrote (08 Feb 2010 16:51:44 GMT) :
 Thanks for the info, it is recommended to add these apps too:
 http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/CD/preview/amnesiacd.html

What do you mean by it is recommended? Recommended by whom?

Thanks for the hint anyway, we're going to have a look at this list
and decide on a case-by-case basis.

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Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-09 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi!

On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 08:58:24PM +0100, intrigeri wrote:
Hello,

Timo Schoeler wrote (09 Feb 2010 18:45:25 GMT) :
 That is very good to hear; however: is the torrent functional?
 Download takes ages.

It is, but we desperately lack seeds. Anyone, please help seeding
amnesia if you're interested + can afford it. If you want to
participate, please take care of always seeding the newest release:
there's RSS[0] and Atom[1] feeds of the available Torrents to help
being up-to-date.

404 Not found for both the RSS and the Atom.

Btw, if you want people to do something (keep seeds running), perhaps
make it less work for them. I.e. push principle instead of pull
principle (having to actively poll a feed on and off, no, I'm not one
of the RSS/... junkies anyway).

One also has to follow quite many links from the start page (or the
download page) to finally actually *get* to the torrents. Perhaps
optimize the link depth?

wget also complains about a certificate mismatch

$ wget
https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/files/amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent
--22:25:04--
https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/files/amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent
   = `amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent'
Resolving amnesia.boum.org... 204.13.164.189
Connecting to amnesia.boum.org|204.13.164.189|:443... connected.
ERROR: certificate common name `boum.org' doesn't match requested host
name `amnesia.boum.org'.
To connect to amnesia.boum.org insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'.
Unable to establish SSL connection.

[...]

So that was my part of the work when I tried to seed things for no
personal use.

Kind regards,

Hannah.
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Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-09 Thread Walt Mankowski
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 08:58:24PM +0100, intrigeri wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Timo Schoeler wrote (09 Feb 2010 18:45:25 GMT) :
  That is very good to hear; however: is the torrent functional?
  Download takes ages.
 
 It is, but we desperately lack seeds. Anyone, please help seeding
 amnesia if you're interested + can afford it. If you want to
 participate, please take care of always seeding the newest release:
 there's RSS[0] and Atom[1] feeds of the available Torrents to help
 being up-to-date.

One problem there might be your SSL certificate:

% wget 
https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/files/amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent
--2010-02-09 16:31:57--  
https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/files/amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent
Resolving amnesia.boum.org... 204.13.164.189
Connecting to amnesia.boum.org|204.13.164.189|:443... connected.
ERROR: cannot verify amnesia.boum.org's certificate, issued by /O=Root 
CA/OU=http://www.cacert.org/CN=CA Cert Signing 
Authority/emailaddress=supp...@cacert.org:
  Self-signed certificate encountered.
ERROR: certificate common name boum.org doesn't match requested host name 
amnesia.boum.org.
To connect to amnesia.boum.org insecurely, use '--no-check-certificate'.

My bittorrent client (rtorrent) won't download it.  It gives the error:

  Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with known CA certificates:
  
https://amnesia.boum.org/torrents/files/amnesia-i386-gnome-0.4.2-20100207.torrent;
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Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-09 Thread Timo Schoeler

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thus intrigeri spake:
| Hi,

Hi,

| Max wrote (08 Feb 2010 16:51:44 GMT) :
| Thanks for the info, it is recommended to add these apps too:
| http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/CD/preview/amnesiacd.html
|
| What do you mean by it is recommended? Recommended by whom?

'Vorratsdatenspeicherung' is a group of people that is against
telecommunications data retention by the state/government/capitalists
and recommends (usually open source) software to escape it (thusly
'recommended' to achieve this).

Timo

| Thanks for the hint anyway, we're going to have a look at this list
| and decide on a case-by-case basis.
|
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Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-08 Thread intrigeri
Hello,

amnesia [0] is a Live System similar to (and heavily inspired by)
Incognito [1]:

* all outgoing connections to the Internet are forced to go through
  the Tor network;
* no trace is left on local storage devices unless explicitely asked.

Since the initial announcement on this mailing-list in August, a few
releases happened. We're working hand in hand with the Incognito
developers, and amnesia can now be considered as the ground
foundations for the next main Incognito release.

Try it, seed it! Any comments are welcome.

Highlighted changes since August:

* We now ship multilingual ISO images; initially supported (or rather
  wanna-be-supported) languages are: ar, zh, de, en, fr, it, pt, es.
* We now ship hybrid ISO images, which can be either burnt on CD-ROM
  or dd'd to a USB stick or hard disk.
* Icedove (Thunderbird) was replaced with claws mail, in a bit
  rough way.
* Virtual keyboard: kvkbd was replaced with onBoard.
* Tor controller: TorK was replaced with Vidalia.
* Anonymous, GnuPG-encrypted bug reporting is now made easy for
  end-users.
* Users are now warned at runtime when the amnesia version they are
  running is affected by security flaws, and which ones they are.
* Includes NetworkManager 0.7 to support non-DHCP networking.
* Always use the latest Tor stable release from deb.torproject.org.
* Securely erases RAM on shutdown using smem.
* Added support for running as a guest system in VirtualBox.
* Improved boot time on CD by ordering files in the squashfs in the
  order they are used during boot.

See the online Changelog [2] for details.

[0] https://amnesia.boum.org/
[1] http://www.anonymityanywhere.com/incognito/
[2] http://git.immerda.ch/?p=amnesia.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/changelog

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Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-08 Thread Max
Thanks for the info, it is recommended to add these apps too:
http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/CD/preview/amnesiacd.html

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:14 AM, intrigeri intrig...@boum.org wrote:
 Hello,

 amnesia [0] is a Live System similar to (and heavily inspired by)
 Incognito [1]:

 * all outgoing connections to the Internet are forced to go through
  the Tor network;
 * no trace is left on local storage devices unless explicitely asked.

 Since the initial announcement on this mailing-list in August, a few
 releases happened. We're working hand in hand with the Incognito
 developers, and amnesia can now be considered as the ground
 foundations for the next main Incognito release.

 Try it, seed it! Any comments are welcome.

 Highlighted changes since August:

 * We now ship multilingual ISO images; initially supported (or rather
  wanna-be-supported) languages are: ar, zh, de, en, fr, it, pt, es.
 * We now ship hybrid ISO images, which can be either burnt on CD-ROM
  or dd'd to a USB stick or hard disk.
 * Icedove (Thunderbird) was replaced with claws mail, in a bit
  rough way.
 * Virtual keyboard: kvkbd was replaced with onBoard.
 * Tor controller: TorK was replaced with Vidalia.
 * Anonymous, GnuPG-encrypted bug reporting is now made easy for
  end-users.
 * Users are now warned at runtime when the amnesia version they are
  running is affected by security flaws, and which ones they are.
 * Includes NetworkManager 0.7 to support non-DHCP networking.
 * Always use the latest Tor stable release from deb.torproject.org.
 * Securely erases RAM on shutdown using smem.
 * Added support for running as a guest system in VirtualBox.
 * Improved boot time on CD by ordering files in the squashfs in the
  order they are used during boot.

 See the online Changelog [2] for details.

 [0] https://amnesia.boum.org/
 [1] http://www.anonymityanywhere.com/incognito/
 [2] http://git.immerda.ch/?p=amnesia.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/changelog

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Re: Announce: amnesia Live system 0.4.2

2010-02-08 Thread Fabian Keil
intrigeri intrig...@boum.org wrote:

 amnesia [0] is a Live System similar to (and heavily inspired by)
 Incognito [1]:
 
 * all outgoing connections to the Internet are forced to go through
   the Tor network;

It's turtles all the way down?

Fabian


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