Re: Tor raid [was: "cease and desist" from my vps provider...]
Il 07/02/2011 09:47, Marco Predicatori ha scritto: > morphium, on 02/04/2011 03:08 PM, wrote: > >> Oh and yes, they took only my hardware @ home, not the Server in >> the data center that actually DID run Tor and that the "bad" IP >> belonged to. > That's interesting, because it means that running the node away from > home doesn't affect the chance of being harassed at 5 AM. :-( > > Ciao Marco, leggo che la tua email presenta un nome italiano.Parli italiano? Ti ho già scritto una e mail e ho ricevuto una e mail di risposta che non posso leggere perchè non ho la chiave segreta richiesta per poter leggere il messaggio. Martino. *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor raid [was: "cease and desist" from my vps provider...]
> only if you purchase said services under your real name/accounts or > without sufficient indirection. > > defense in depth++ My defense in depth ;) looks that way: Let the state come, let them accuse you, win the case. Did it once (german link: http://www.gulli.com/news/anonymit-t-triumph-f-r-tor-vor-gericht-2009-10-30 ), will do it in mid of march (this year) again (I think I'll win at the first hearing, but if not, hey, then later :) ). Best regards, morphium *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor raid [was: "cease and desist" from my vps provider...]
On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 03:15:59PM -0800, coderman wrote: > only if you purchase said services under your real name/accounts or > without sufficient indirection. Hetzner has plenty of nongerman customers, so using an LLC as an abstraction layer would probably work. Not sure they would accept yearly cash in advance, as Hetzner.co.za does. > defense in depth++ -- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor raid [was: "cease and desist" from my vps provider...]
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Marco Predicatori wrote: > morphium, on 02/04/2011 03:08 PM, wrote: > >> Oh and yes, they took only my hardware @ home, not the Server in >> the data center that actually DID run Tor and that the "bad" IP >> belonged to. > > That's interesting, because it means that running the node away from > home doesn't affect the chance of being harassed at 5 AM. :-( only if you purchase said services under your real name/accounts or without sufficient indirection. defense in depth++ but that is tangential discussion not for this list... *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor raid [was: "cease and desist" from my vps provider...]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 thus Marco Predicatori spake: > morphium, on 02/04/2011 03:08 PM, wrote: > >> Oh and yes, they took only my hardware @ home, not the Server in >> the data center that actually DID run Tor and that the "bad" IP >> belonged to. > > That's interesting, because it means that running the node away from > home doesn't affect the chance of being harassed at 5 AM. :-( Well, it's not only due to 'their' misunderstanding of TOR, but it's part of the game: They want to scare you. Timo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFNT8Rqfg746kcGBOwRAgpYAJ4hngGOaOT9AFqNrwpMYedyONSNtwCglFEK tCf2m2gHY91SQfQiZbJZ0yo= =jwtS -END PGP SIGNATURE- *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor raid [was: "cease and desist" from my vps provider...]
morphium, on 02/04/2011 03:08 PM, wrote: > Oh and yes, they took only my hardware @ home, not the Server in > the data center that actually DID run Tor and that the "bad" IP > belonged to. That's interesting, because it means that running the node away from home doesn't affect the chance of being harassed at 5 AM. :-( -- http://www.predicatori.it/marco/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor raid [was: "cease and desist" from my vps provider...]
2011/2/5 coderman : > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:08 AM, morphium wrote: >>... >> Oh and yes, they took only my hardware @ home, not the Server in the >> data center that actually DID run Tor and that the "bad" IP belonged >> to. > > this is interesting. > > just to clarify: you had traffic of interest from a dedicated server > in a data center running Tor, yet the raid and confiscation targeted > hardware at your home? > > (while leaving the data center server untouched?) Yeah, true. They asked my provider: "who owns this IP: xxx" and my provider responded: "morphium - illuminati street 23 - bielefeld" Best regards, morphium *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor raid [was: "cease and desist" from my vps provider...]
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 6:08 AM, morphium wrote: >... > Oh and yes, they took only my hardware @ home, not the Server in the > data center that actually DID run Tor and that the "bad" IP belonged > to. this is interesting. just to clarify: you had traffic of interest from a dedicated server in a data center running Tor, yet the raid and confiscation targeted hardware at your home? (while leaving the data center server untouched?) *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor raid [was: "cease and desist" from my vps provider...]
I think 2011/2/4 Matthew : > So are you suing the police if the case is continuing but your hardware has > been returned? I think they will have to pay compensation after I got my acquittal. But that has to be checked afterwards. And, if the case continues at it current ... speed ..., this can be in 3, 5 or 10 years. Best regards, morphium *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor raid [was: "cease and desist" from my vps provider...]
It happened 4 years ago... they came, took every hardware they could find, took more than a year to analyze it, they found nothing (they were looking for child pornography - someone downloaded via my tor exit from swoopshare) and gave my hardware back after 2 years. The trial is still ongoing, but there has only been 1 day in court (about a year ago), the judge acknowledged that he doesnt understand what we explained about Tor and such, said he wants an assessor, and we'll see again in about 8 weeks (a year ago!). So are you suing the police if the case is continuing but your hardware has been returned? My lawyer now asked 2 or 3 times at the court, when& how we'll continue, but didn't get a response yet. Doesn't seem like the judge wants to carry on fast. (I also got letters from the federal police asking who had my Tor IP at a specific point in time, got heard at the police (You are not required to say anything at the german police, but I preferred to take a laptop there and show them what Tor is and how it works - they appreciated that [and I lowered my risk of getting raided another time ;) ]) and such things). morphium *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Re: Tor raid [was: "cease and desist" from my vps provider...]
> It happened 4 years ago... they came, took every hardware they could > find, took more than a year to analyze it, they found nothing (they > were looking for child pornography - someone downloaded via my tor > exit from swoopshare) and gave my hardware back after 2 years. Oh and yes, they took only my hardware @ home, not the Server in the data center that actually DID run Tor and that the "bad" IP belonged to. *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
Tor raid [was: "cease and desist" from my vps provider...]
2011/2/4 Matthew : > >> I already had a raid due to my Exit Node... so, I'm not worried :) >> > Can you explain what happened, please? It happened 4 years ago... they came, took every hardware they could find, took more than a year to analyze it, they found nothing (they were looking for child pornography - someone downloaded via my tor exit from swoopshare) and gave my hardware back after 2 years. The trial is still ongoing, but there has only been 1 day in court (about a year ago), the judge acknowledged that he doesnt understand what we explained about Tor and such, said he wants an assessor, and we'll see again in about 8 weeks (a year ago!). My lawyer now asked 2 or 3 times at the court, when & how we'll continue, but didn't get a response yet. Doesn't seem like the judge wants to carry on fast. (I also got letters from the federal police asking who had my Tor IP at a specific point in time, got heard at the police (You are not required to say anything at the german police, but I preferred to take a laptop there and show them what Tor is and how it works - they appreciated that [and I lowered my risk of getting raided another time ;) ]) and such things). morphium *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
