RE: Bind variables v. cursor_sharing = FORCE

2001-10-20 Thread Steve Adams

Hi Greg and list,

I'm not convinced of John's conclusion that 'cursor_sharing' = FORCE outperforms bind 
variables. Some months ago I tried
to reproduce John's results and was not able to, despite trying several different 
variations on the tests. Tom Kyte
claims that 'cursor_sharing' is about 10% more expensive. My results were between 10% 
and 30%.

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An excerpt from

PIRANHAS IN THE POOL,
SQL PERFORMANCE KILLERS
Investigating the effects of literal SQL on Oracle performance

John Beresniewicz
Precise Software Solutio

--
Effect of CURSOR_SHARING
A primary purpose of the 8.1.6 testing was to assess the impact the new CURSOR_SHARING 
system parameter and its
potential for helping DBAs manage ill-behaved applications with high parse rates of 
literal SQL.  Comparing Test 1 to
Test 3 and also Test 0 to Test 4 serves this goal.
Comparing these Test results, CURSOR_SHARING exhibits advantages similar to those 
obtained using bind variables in Test
2:
-- Reduced library cache impact.
-- Negligible shared pool activity.
-- Reduced CPU demands.
In fact, Test 3 produced the best elapsed time of all tests in spite of the fact that 
all the SQL was literal.  Thus, it
is clear that CURSOR_SHARING can be used to greatly enhance performance of 
applications that produce high volume literal
SQL and thus is a great advantage for the DBA saddled with such applications.
CURSOR_SHARING vs. Bind Variables
Comparing Test 2 and Test 3 reveals that CURSOR_SHARING = FORCE showed significantly 
better performance than bind
variables in both elapsed time and reduced library cache latching impact.  This 
surprising result deserves further
investigation to produce an adequate explanation.  Library cache latch impact was 
significantly reduced as well as
shared pool pins and releases. Parsing CPU time increased some but overall CPU was 
reduced. Perhaps the additional
parsing involved in forced cursor sharing also enables increased sharing of shared 
pool memory heaps.

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RE: event= to capture deadlock debug info

2001-10-20 Thread Steve Adams

Hi All,

I think Jim is using the term deadlock loosely. He appears to be speaking of a hang. 
The normal recommendation for
diagnosing the cause of a hang is to take two 'systemstate' dumps from different 
sessions in quick succession. However,
from 8.1.6 there is a 'hanganalyze' dump that can also be used, and is somewhat more 
useful. Be warned, however, that
I've seen it crash an instance once.

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Hi James,

setting an event at init/session level would basically
dump the error state into an trc file. ora-60 or
deadlock by defualt writes a message in alert file and
also dumps a large trace in udump.

so why do you want to explicitly set this event? The
default behaviour mimicks the same anyways.

hth
Deepak

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 DBA's

 Does anyone know of an event= to set to capture a
 deadlock condition?

 On two occasions now a user's session has locked up
 due to a network problem or three finger salute or
 who knows what(???) blocking other users from adding
 records to the system. I have to get it fixed
 quickly to get them working again so I don't have
 time to study everything in the locked state before
 killing the offending users session. It has only
 happened twice, once at night and once on a
 holliday. I don't have all of my toys at home to get
 a quick look.

 TIA

 ...JIM...


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RE: Droping System User

2001-10-20 Thread Nirmal Kumar Muthu Kumaran
Title: RE: Droping System User





hi 


I took risk in my test DB by dropping the user 'SYSTEM'. As you tested, the same steps i repeated in mine, all are fine, until before. 

Now i shutdown my database and startup again, here the problem arises. Oracle mount the database but while opening the database, the instance has been terminated by PMON.

Sat Oct 20 10:57:45 2001
PMON: terminating instance due to error 470
Instance terminated by PMON, pid = 316


Oracle posted the following error continuosly in the alert log:


SMON: following errors trapped and ignored:
ORA-00376: file 1 cannot be read at this time
ORA-01110: data file 1: 'D:\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORCLSVR\SYSTEM01.DBF'


Am crusious, come to know what type of problem you have faced?


Regards,
Nirmal

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

 Dropping the SYSTEM user is not really all that traumatic.

 In most cases it's just a DBA account that may own some pieces you'd
 rather not lose, but dropping SYSTEM will not be noticed by the users
 of the database. 



That's the impression I get. When I looked at the objects owned by SYSTEM in my test database before the drop, none of them seemed vital.

On the other hand, dropping sys would probably be bad, but I wasn't able to do that (insufficient privileges.)
Trying to drop sys tables like sys.user$ caused an ORA-00701.
So since I'm on a quest to wound this database, I tried this: 


SQL delete from sys.user$ where name = 'SYS' ;
1 ligne supprimée.
SQL commit ;
Validation effectuée. 


So far no ill effects! 





Problem - V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS

2001-10-20 Thread Saurabh Sharma



Hi all,
Is anyone using Oracle 
Statspack for performance monitoring.

I want to use it, i ran the 
required scripts for creating the PERFSTAT schema, tables, synonyms and 
STATSPACK package.
but the package creation is 
giving problem with Dictionary table V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS( as it is not 
found in the database dictionary)
The schema script created the 
stat$buffer_pool_statistics table to use data from above dict table but package 
could not be compiled successfully as dictionary table is not 
found.

can anybody explain me why it 
happened.

I'm using Oracle 8.1.5 on 
NT.
thanks in adv

Saurabh Sharma

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RE: Problem - V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS

2001-10-20 Thread Steve Adams

Hi Saurabh,

Try running $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/catperf.sql first.

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Hi all,
Is anyone using Oracle Statspack for performance monitoring.

I want to use it, i ran the required scripts for creating the PERFSTAT schema, tables, 
synonyms and STATSPACK package.
but the package creation is giving problem with Dictionary table 
V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS( as it is not found in the
database dictionary)
The schema script created the stat$buffer_pool_statistics table to use data from above 
dict table but package could not
be compiled successfully as dictionary table is not found.

can anybody explain me why it happened.

I'm using Oracle 8.1.5 on NT.
thanks in adv

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Re: Problem - V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS

2001-10-20 Thread Edward Shevtsov



Hi Saurabh,

have a look at 
$ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/catperf.sql
It seems you didn't run it

Regards,
Ed

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  Sharma 
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  Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:05 
  PM
  Subject: Problem - 
  V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS
  
  Hi all,
  Is anyone using Oracle 
  Statspack for performance monitoring.
  
  I want to use it, i ran the 
  required scripts for creating the PERFSTAT schema, tables, synonyms and 
  STATSPACK package.
  but the package creation is 
  giving problem with Dictionary table V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS( as it is not 
  found in the database dictionary)
  The schema script created 
  the stat$buffer_pool_statistics table to use data from above dict table but 
  package could not be compiled successfully as dictionary table is not 
  found.
  
  can anybody explain me why 
  it happened.
  
  I'm using Oracle 8.1.5 on 
  NT.
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  Saurabh Sharma
  
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RE: Problem - V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS

2001-10-20 Thread Rajesh Dayal









Wasnt statspack
started with 8.1.6?

Check the
docs..



Rajesh



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V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS



Hi all,

Is anyone using Oracle Statspack for performance monitoring.



I want to use it, i ran the required scripts for creating the
PERFSTAT schema, tables, synonyms and STATSPACK package.

but the package creation is giving problem with Dictionary table
V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS( as it is not found in the database dictionary)

The schema script created the stat$buffer_pool_statistics table to
use data from above dict table but package could not be compiled successfully as
dictionary table is not found.



can anybody explain me why it happened.



I'm using Oracle 8.1.5 on NT.

thanks in adv



Saurabh Sharma



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RE: Problem - V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS

2001-10-20 Thread Ron Yount



Statspack was created in v.8.1.6, but it is supposed to be compatible 
with v.8.0.x and above.

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  V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS
  
  Wasn’t 
  statspack started with 8.1.6?
  Check 
  the docs…..
  
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  Problem - V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS
  
  Hi 
  all,
  Is anyone 
  using Oracle Statspack for performance monitoring.
  
  I want to use 
  it, i ran the required scripts for creating the PERFSTAT schema, tables, 
  synonyms and STATSPACK package.
  but the 
  package creation is giving problem with Dictionary table 
  V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS( as it is not found in the database 
  dictionary)
  The schema 
  script created the stat$buffer_pool_statistics table to use data from above 
  dict table but package could not be compiled successfully as dictionary table 
  is not found.
  
  can anybody 
  explain me why it happened.
  
  I'm using 
  Oracle 8.1.5 on NT.
  thanks in 
  adv
  
  Saurabh 
  Sharma
  
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RE: Problem - V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS

2001-10-20 Thread Connor McDonald

Saurabh,

Also note that you want to DROP this before you
upgrade to 8.1.6 (I think?) where this becomes a fixed
view.  If you don't, you can end up with a view that
is invalid and cannot be dropped.

Also, in 8.1.7(?), there is a bug in the view where
some of the fields are incorrectly zero - its fixed in
a patch set.

hth
connor

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Hi Saurabh,
 
 Try running $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/catperf.sql
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 -Original Message-
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 Hi all,
 Is anyone using Oracle Statspack for performance
 monitoring.
 
 I want to use it, i ran the required scripts for
 creating the PERFSTAT schema, tables, synonyms and
 STATSPACK package.
 but the package creation is giving problem with
 Dictionary table V$BUFFER_POOL_STATISTICS( as it is
 not found in the
 database dictionary)
 The schema script created the
 stat$buffer_pool_statistics table to use data from
 above dict table but package could not
 be compiled successfully as dictionary table is not
 found.
 
 can anybody explain me why it happened.
 
 I'm using Oracle 8.1.5 on NT.
 thanks in adv
 
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Re: when user changed password?

2001-10-20 Thread Joe Testa

u couldnt find that in logminer anyways.

what is the db version?


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RE: Bind Variables

2001-10-20 Thread Danny Hughes

I have always used the CBO and statistics are generated fairly regularly.  I use the 
analyze table estimate statistics which should not generate histogram information.  I 
have even used the INDEX, FIRST_ROWS, and ALL_ROWS hints.  None made a difference.  I 
regenerated the statistics on all tables of a particular slow query with bind 
variables and it didn't make a difference either.  Our platform is red hat linux 6.2 
and oracle 8.1.7. 

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/19/01 18:58 PM 
I have heard of it.  Its a concern.  However, with hints you can
solve some of your problems.  And then you could use Stored Outlines
and get it stable.  And then life will be groovy.

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Danny,

It sounds like when you ...moved to bind variables... you did two things:
1. Switched to using CBO
2. Changed your application to take advantage of the bind variables.

I have never heard of switching to bind variables making things slower (and
can not imagine when it would make it so --  the CBO vs. RBO is irrelevant
in this case).

Thus the question: did you collect the statistics on all your application
tables prior to switching to CBO?

If you did not have any statistics collected or had some tables that did
not have statistics collected then Oracle may had been choosing wrong
execution path.

Thanks,
Val Gamerman.




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Danny,
Were you using histograms?   Histograms do not work on bind variables,
they only work on literals.
I'm sure others will have more to say on the topic but that is one tidbit
that
I do have experience with on bind variables.
Cherie Machler
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understand that by using bind variables that the CBO will not be able to =
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retrieve data.  Some documentation states to use hints when you are using =
bind variables to tell the CBO which path to take.  Other documentation =
states that bind variables don't like the CBO and to use the RBO.
After we looked at the library cache and saw thousands of copies of the =
same sql, and hundreds of different sql, we decided to look into converting
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start using the CBO for everything.
There are so many confusing documents regarding the use of bind variables.
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9i upgrade problems

2001-10-20 Thread Charlie Mengler

I am/was trying to upgrade an  8.1.7 to 9i.
The odma wizard process seemed to have completed without errors.
However when I try to start the instance I get the message below.

It appears ODMA created its own Roll Back Segment, but did not
completely clean up after itself.

Any suggestions WRT how I can get the instance up?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ORA-01116: error in opening database file 52
ORA-01110: data file 52:
'/u01/app/oracle/product/9.0.1/assistants/dbma/log/EDWDEV/ODMA_RBS.dbf'
ORA-27041: unable to open file
SVR4 Error: 2: No such file or directory
Additional information: 3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Disconnected from Oracle9i Enterprise Edition Release
9.0.1.0.0 - Production
With the Partitioning option
JServer Release 9.0.1.0.0 - Production

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RE: when user changed password?

2001-10-20 Thread Ron Yount

Sharon,

Historically, I don't know how you could do this... but if you have a future
need to track this event, you may want to look into auditing options...
beware of resource consumption if you track too many events.

-Ron-

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 Hi,

 Is it possible to find out when a user changed the password?  Log miner
 is impossible.

 Thanks,
 Sharon


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RE: 9i upgrade problems

2001-10-20 Thread Ron Yount

Charlie,

The error indicates that the OS does no believe that the file exists.  Have
you verified its existence from the OS?

If it exists make sure permissions are set correctly so that it can be
opened by 'oracle'.

I have not tried the migration to 9i, so I am not sure if this a known issue
on your platform. You may want to try Metalink if that is an option.

My guess, would be that after performing the necessary transactions, the
migration script attempted to drop the tablespace and something went wrong.

Since the tablespace was only used for migration... can you drop it? Try
startup mount, alter database datafile datafile name offline drop... then
try dropping the tablespace including contents.

If you cannot drop the tablespace, then check the status of the data file in
dba_data_files.  If it still shows as available, you can trick oracle be
telling it to create the data file again with the alter database create
datafile and then drop the tablespace.

HTH

-Ron-

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 I am/was trying to upgrade an  8.1.7 to 9i.
 The odma wizard process seemed to have completed without errors.
 However when I try to start the instance I get the message below.

 It appears ODMA created its own Roll Back Segment, but did not
 completely clean up after itself.

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RE: when user changed password?

2001-10-20 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Sharon, 
It is not possible to get that information without some setup already in
place. 

What version of the database are you using?

If 8i, you may want to consider enabling password management features by
setting password resource limits. Pl review
$ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/utlpwdmg.sql script for some ideas... 

HTH,

Regards,

- Kirti Deshpande 
  Verizon Information Services
   http://www.superpages.com

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 Hi,
 
 Is it possible to find out when a user changed the password?  Log miner
 is impossible.
 
 Thanks,
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