Re: 8i migration - full import or schema imports ?

2002-04-15 Thread Connor McDonald

Agreed.  In particular an effective (although rather
deceitful) strategy is to indicate that you will be
doing an unload/reload (to obtain the necessary
downtime committment from management) but then (a) do
a migration and (b) take advantage of all those 8i
features to reorg the data in place via 'alter table
move' and 'alter index rebuild' et al.

In this way, you manage to do a migration as well as
getting one of those precious few moments to do a
reorg of your system

hth
connor

 --- Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
 That depends on the size of your database.
 
 If over 20 gig or so, you may want to do migration
 rather than an import.  Imports are rather slow,
 even
 when optimized.
 
 Jared
 
 On Sunday 14 April 2002 15:18, jaroszewski andrzej
 wrote:
  We are planning to perform migration from 7.3.4 to
 8i. We are considering
  full import versus schema by schema imports.
  What is the better method and what are the cons
 and pros.
 
  Thanks
  Andrew
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RE: Phoee, Find views with column name

2002-04-15 Thread Connor McDonald

I'm not sure if probing the sga would work - its
common in systems that do a lot of parsing to see many
calls to view$ in trace files (for the same view) -
leading to the hypothesis that view defn's are not
cached.

hth
connor

 --- MacGregor, Ian A. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:  If it's only aliases you need to worry about
you can
 get the view text and use dbms_sql.parse and
 dbms_sql.describe_columns to get the names.  However
 if the column in the view  is involved in a function
 or perhaps used in conjunction with another 
 column, then this method does not work.  
 
 There was an admittedly ugly suggestion of getting
 the view names from one of the dependencies tables;
 renaming the table containing the column  of
 interest; creating another table with the same name
 and structure as the original one but with the
 column missing,  and then checking to see which
 views became invalid.  I wouldn't do that on a
 production system.
 
 One would think that once a view has been parsed,
 Oracle would hold that somewhere in memory.  I don't
 know the X$ structures well enough.  Perhaps it
 isn't accessible.  Perhaps one needs to dump the
 SGA.
 
 It looks like the real answer is to write your own
 parser. 
 
 Ian MacGregor
 Stanforfd Linear Accelerator Center
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 This won't work if I alias the column name in the
 view definition, would it?
 
 Raj

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 Darn E-mail package.  Every once in a while I get a
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 or more I don't want  one I do want goes as well. 
 Well, I guess that's
 IBM/Lotus for you.
 
 Anyway, someone asked how to find all the views that
 include a specific
 column. 
 Try the following:
 
 select view_name 
   from user_views, user_tab_columns
   where view_name = table_name
 and column_name = 'fill_in_the_blank';
 
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RE: protocol.ora

2002-04-15 Thread Hatzistavrou Giannis

I believe that this functionality is now (i.e. 8.1.7 )encapsulated into CMAN

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Hi 

I tried this however I get the same result as in it doesn't allow any
connections at all..even IP addresses which are included in the
.protocol.ora file.

Regards

Saj Iqbal
  

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Jeremiah Wilton wrote:

 If you trace the listener you will see that it is looking for
 .protocol.ora with a leading period.  This is a documented bug.  Just
 copy protocol.ora to .protocol.ora.
 
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 On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Sajid Iqbal wrote:
 
  We used to use the protocol.ora file to restrict access to the database,
  on oracle 8.0.5
  
  However since moving to Oracle 8.1.6.3  this doesn't work.
 
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Recompiling Invalid Objects after Table Rename

2002-04-15 Thread Bill Buchan

Hi all,

We have an application which deletes a large number of rows from a 
table.  It would be faster to simply insert the rows that we want to keep 
into a second table, drop the original table and then rename the second 
table to that of the one we have just dropped.

The only downside that I can see is that all the source objects which 
reference the original table become invalid.

We could:
1.  Simply allow the source objects to be recompiled naturally overtime 
as they are reused (but with the possibility of a large number of invalid 
objects at any one time in the database and little control over when 
compilation is done).
2.  Force recompilation following the drop table.  However this would 
require logging all objects which would need recompilation.  This is an 
additional step for any new development and would therefore the list of 
object would be prone to become inaccurate over time.  (Could maybe do this 
automatically using USER_REFERENCES prior to the drop table? - still seems 
a bit clumsy)

Does anyone have any comments on doing this?

Many thanks
- Bill.

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RBS question

2002-04-15 Thread Sajid Iqbal

Hi All

I have just been asked to find if there's contention in the rollback
segment header.. which tables (columns) should I look in ? 

TIA

SI



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Re: Archival Freeze - Painful lessons learned

2002-04-15 Thread Jay Hostetter

If you have freed up the space and your archiver is STILL hung, read note 131427.1 on 
MetaLink.  This was my painful lesson.

Jay

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12/02 06:38PM 

After reading the other postings I better add this one too;^) (If ya didn't
learn something new today, it's because ya didn't do anything today).

ORA-00257,  archiver error. Connect internal only, until freed.

Brian P. MacLean
Oracle DBA, OCP8i



   

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As Daffy Duck says - http://www.dailywav.com/0700/dcorrect.wav 

The archiver freaks first, and will keep trying to write/recover/looking
for space. But the database will not hang until all the redo logs are full
and none remain that have been archived (ie: all redo logs need archiving).

The error in the alert.log is some combination of:

ORA-00255, error archiving log %s of thread %s, sequence # %s
ORA-00270, error creating archive log %s
ORA-19504, failed to create file \%s\
ORA-27040, skgfrcre: create error, unable to create file
ARCH: Archival stopped, error occurred. Will continue retrying
SVR4 Error: 5: I/O error

Why do I have a list of the above errors you ask?  Because I've been there
(painful lessons learned), and these are just some of the errors I look for
in my db status script.

Brian P. MacLean
Oracle DBA, OCP8i



   
 
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Hi Fellow DBAs,

I and a fellow DBA are currently debating about how insufficient space in
the archive destination freezes up the DB. He claims that as soon as the
ARCH process is unable to write to the disk, the db freezes. I am of the
opinion that it does not. It will only report an error (Any idea, what the
error code is?). It will only freeze when it cycles thru the rest of the
redolog groups, and then when it tries to switch log to the one which has
not been archived. That's why the error message is cannot allocate new
log.

Whats your say? He's also on this list.

Raj




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Re: Recompiling Invalid Objects after Table Rename

2002-04-15 Thread Jay Hostetter

$ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/utlrp will recompile all invalid objects.

Could you partition the table so that you only need to drop a partition instead of 
deleting rows?

Jay

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/15/02 08:23AM 
Hi all,

We have an application which deletes a large number of rows from a 
table.  It would be faster to simply insert the rows that we want to keep 
into a second table, drop the original table and then rename the second 
table to that of the one we have just dropped.

The only downside that I can see is that all the source objects which 
reference the original table become invalid.

We could:
1.  Simply allow the source objects to be recompiled naturally overtime 
as they are reused (but with the possibility of a large number of invalid 
objects at any one time in the database and little control over when 
compilation is done).
2.  Force recompilation following the drop table.  However this would 
require logging all objects which would need recompilation.  This is an 
additional step for any new development and would therefore the list of 
object would be prone to become inaccurate over time.  (Could maybe do this 
automatically using USER_REFERENCES prior to the drop table? - still seems 
a bit clumsy)

Does anyone have any comments on doing this?

Many thanks
- Bill.

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RE: Recompiling Invalid Objects after Table Rename

2002-04-15 Thread Nicoll, Iain (Calanais)

Can't you just do a variant of

SET HEAD OFF TERMOUT OFF ECHO OFF

select 'alter '||decode(object_type,'PACKAGE BODY',' PACKAGE
',object_type)||
   ' '||object_name||' compile '||
 decode(object_type,'PACKAGE BODY','BODY ','')||';'
from user_objects
where object_type in ('PACKAGE', 'PACKAGE BODY', 'PROCEDURE', 'FUNCTION',
'VIEW','TRIGGER') 
and   status != 'VALID'

spool recomp.sql
/
spool off
SET HEAD ON TERMOUT ON ECHO ON

start recomp


which will attempt to recompile anything invalid. 

Option 1 wouldn't necessarily ever work as I believe recompilation only
happens when something is called directly i.e. if the user calls a package
which in turn calls an invalid package then recompilation would not happen
(apologies if I'm wrong)

Iain Nicoll
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Hi all,

We have an application which deletes a large number of rows from a 
table.  It would be faster to simply insert the rows that we want to keep 
into a second table, drop the original table and then rename the second 
table to that of the one we have just dropped.

The only downside that I can see is that all the source objects which 
reference the original table become invalid.

We could:
1.  Simply allow the source objects to be recompiled naturally overtime 
as they are reused (but with the possibility of a large number of invalid 
objects at any one time in the database and little control over when 
compilation is done).
2.  Force recompilation following the drop table.  However this would 
require logging all objects which would need recompilation.  This is an 
additional step for any new development and would therefore the list of 
object would be prone to become inaccurate over time.  (Could maybe do this 
automatically using USER_REFERENCES prior to the drop table? - still seems 
a bit clumsy)

Does anyone have any comments on doing this?

Many thanks
- Bill.

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RE: Archival Freeze - Painful lessons learned

2002-04-15 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

How strange, that happened to me on Oracle 7.3 and on 8.1.7. on Tru64 UNIX,
and the database continued automatically after freeing up disk space.

It complained a lot, though, while there was no space left on disk.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
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Systems Admin  Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
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If you have freed up the space and your archiver is STILL hung, read note
131427.1 on MetaLink.  This was my painful lesson.

Jay

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12/02 06:38PM 

After reading the other postings I better add this one too;^) (If ya didn't
learn something new today, it's because ya didn't do anything today).

ORA-00257,  archiver error. Connect internal only, until freed.

Brian P. MacLean
Oracle DBA, OCP8i



 

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04/12/02 02:19   Subject: Re: Archival Freeze -
Painful lessons learned(Document link: 
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As Daffy Duck says - http://www.dailywav.com/0700/dcorrect.wav 

The archiver freaks first, and will keep trying to write/recover/looking
for space. But the database will not hang until all the redo logs are full
and none remain that have been archived (ie: all redo logs need archiving).

The error in the alert.log is some combination of:

ORA-00255, error archiving log %s of thread %s, sequence # %s
ORA-00270, error creating archive log %s
ORA-19504, failed to create file \%s\
ORA-27040, skgfrcre: create error, unable to create file
ARCH: Archival stopped, error occurred. Will continue retrying
SVR4 Error: 5: I/O error

Why do I have a list of the above errors you ask?  Because I've been there
(painful lessons learned), and these are just some of the errors I look for
in my db status script.

Brian P. MacLean
Oracle DBA, OCP8i



 

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Hi Fellow DBAs,

I and a fellow DBA are currently debating about how insufficient space in
the archive destination freezes up the DB. He claims that as soon as the
ARCH process is unable to write to the disk, the db freezes. I am of the
opinion that it does not. It will only report an error (Any idea, what the
error code is?). It will only freeze when it cycles thru the rest of the
redolog groups, and then when it tries to switch log to the one which has
not been archived. That's why the error message is cannot allocate new
log.

Whats your say? He's also on this list.

Raj




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How to use profiles??

2002-04-15 Thread Daiminger, Helmut
Title: How to use profiles??





Hi!


We are experiencing performance problems on one of our production boxes, because some sessions are using up all the resources. All the users connect to the db through an application server using the same database user (approx 30 simultaneous connections).

I was thinking about using profiles to limit the amount of resources a session can use. But I am pretty unsure to what values I should set the single criterias. The db is running on a Sun server, 4 CPUs, 4 GB of RAM and a Raid 0+1 disk array.

What would be reasonable ballpark numbers to set for


cpu_per_session
cpu_per_call
logical_reads_per_session
logical_reads_per_call


What would happen if cpu_per_session is set to 500 (i.e. 5 seconds) and the session used up all that CPU time? Would the session error out then?

This is 8.1.7 on Sun Solaris.


Thanks,
Helmut






RE: Is DATAFILE order important in CREATE CONTROLFILE?

2002-04-15 Thread Jesse, Rich

Thanks all for your responses.  I'll go by the order doesn't matter.

Let's see if I can hose up our dev DB with this now...  ;)

Rich Jesse   System/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA


 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:13 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 I'm writing a Perl script to automate the procedure to create 
 a copy of an
 8.1.7 production DB to a development server.  Both production 
 and dev are
 HP/UX 11.0.
 
 In doing this, I've created a file that cross-references where the
 production datafiles are and where they are to be placed in dev.  This
 works
 fine, but I also wanted to dynamically create the CREATE CONTROLFILE
 statement for the new dev DB.
 
 I've noticed that the DATAFILE clause does not have the 
 SYSTEM tablespace's
 datafile first, nor are any of the other datafiles in the 
 same order that
 they are in production (e.g. from the output of an ALTER SYSTEM BACKUP
 CONTROLFILE TO TRACE).  Does this matter?  Does the order need to be
 preserved?
 
 I suppose I'll end up dynamically creating the 
 cross-reference file, which
 would preserve the order, but now I'm curious.
 
 TIA!
 
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runInstaller problems - urgent

2002-04-15 Thread Sujatha Madan

Hi,

I'm trying to get the runInstaller working ... I've done this a million and
one times, but for some reason, tonight of all nights it doesn't want to
run.

It keeps saying: 

Initializing Java Virtual Machine from /tmp/OraInstall/jre/bin/jre. Please
wait...
Unable to initialize threads: cannot find class java/lang/Thread
Could not create Java VM

I've got the CLASSPATH set to $ORACLE_HOME/jdbc/lib/classes111.zip

I'm running 8.1.7 on HP-UX

Please help.

Thanks

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Re: list of shourtcut oracle9ias mswindows

2002-04-15 Thread Jared Still


You need to investigate why this is happening.

The installer is likely crashing before it is complete. I've had
the same thing happen with 8i on NT.  The fix for me was 
to reboot the box, don't start anything else, just install Oracle.

The installers are notoriously fussy.  I've had this and similar
problems on several versions.

You really need to reinstall.

Jared


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 I installed oracle9ias v1.0.2.2.2a but it didn´t install the groups and
 its shorcuts.

 Anybody has this list of groups, shortcuts and parameters of this
 shortcuts.

 Thanks a lot

 Alvaro Quintero
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Re: Recompiling Invalid Objects after Table Rename

2002-04-15 Thread Bill Buchan


Unfortunately we do not have the partitioning option available.  I should 
mention that when I say I want to delete a large number of rows, the number 
of rows I want to keep is even larger.  (Delete, say, 3 million rows, keep 
7 million rows) so the option that some other have suggested of truncating 
the original table and copying the rows back would likely be much slower 
than recompiling the invalid objects.  Thanks to all those who have 
suggested a way of doing so.

- Bill.


At 04:58 15/04/02 -0800, you wrote:
$ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin/utlrp will recompile all invalid objects.

Could you partition the table so that you only need to drop a partition 
instead of deleting rows?

Jay

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/15/02 08:23AM 
Hi all,

We have an application which deletes a large number of rows from a
table.  It would be faster to simply insert the rows that we want to keep
into a second table, drop the original table and then rename the second
table to that of the one we have just dropped.

The only downside that I can see is that all the source objects which
reference the original table become invalid.

We could:
1.  Simply allow the source objects to be recompiled naturally overtime
as they are reused (but with the possibility of a large number of invalid
objects at any one time in the database and little control over when
compilation is done).
2.  Force recompilation following the drop table.  However this would
require logging all objects which would need recompilation.  This is an
additional step for any new development and would therefore the list of
object would be prone to become inaccurate over time.  (Could maybe do this
automatically using USER_REFERENCES prior to the drop table? - still seems
a bit clumsy)

Does anyone have any comments on doing this?

Many thanks
- Bill.

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Re: EMC Storage Array Issue

2002-04-15 Thread claudio cutelli

Hi,
which background process had the problem?
because if lgwr, it already write in sync mode ...


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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 5:33 PM


 We have implemented a Sun Solaris Cluster (4 machines), connected to
 an EMC storage array.  The migration began last fall, and we now have 15
 Oracle instances, with a mixture of 8.1.6 and 8.1.7, located there.  We
 recently have had 2 occurances of asynchronous I/O wait times exceeded.
 When this occurs, every database crashes at the same time.  The solution
 from EMC is to turn asynchronous I/O off in all of the Oracle instances
 (disk_async_io = false) and to increase the database writer slaves
 (dbwr_io_slaves = something not 0) to emulate asynchronous I/O.
 Has anyone run into this problem before?  If so, how did you
 correct it?  My feeling is that EMC is trying to give us a bandage to
 cover up the real problem, by trying to get Oracle to ignore it.
 
 Thank you.
 
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Re: EMC Storage Array Issue

2002-04-15 Thread Denny Koovakattu


Hi Scott,

  Recently we had issues with EMC. Last week we started getting IO timeout on
one of our frames followed by files being accessed disappearing. We lost
controlfiles, redo log files and library files. EMC hasn't been able to tell us
why it happended. I would like to hear about solutions/explanation they come up
with for your problem.

Regards,
Denny

Quoting Scott Canaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 We have implemented a Sun Solaris Cluster (4 machines), connected
 to
 an EMC storage array.  The migration began last fall, and we now have
 15
 Oracle instances, with a mixture of 8.1.6 and 8.1.7, located there. 
 We
 recently have had 2 occurances of asynchronous I/O wait times
 exceeded.
 When this occurs, every database crashes at the same time.  The
 solution
 from EMC is to turn asynchronous I/O off in all of the Oracle
 instances
 (disk_async_io = false) and to increase the database writer slaves
 (dbwr_io_slaves = something not 0) to emulate asynchronous I/O.
 Has anyone run into this problem before?  If so, how did you
 correct it?  My feeling is that EMC is trying to give us a bandage
 to
 cover up the real problem, by trying to get Oracle to ignore it.
 
 Thank you.
 
 --
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 (585) 475-7886
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Re: EMC Storage Array Issue

2002-04-15 Thread Jeremiah Wilton

Which filesystem/volume manager are you using, if any?

That is potentially where you would want to look if the async write
queue is getting backed up.  Just shutting off async is a terrible
suggestion from EMC.  I am suprised at them.

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On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Scott Canaan wrote:

 We have implemented a Sun Solaris Cluster (4 machines), connected to
 an EMC storage array.  The migration began last fall, and we now have 15
 Oracle instances, with a mixture of 8.1.6 and 8.1.7, located there.  We
 recently have had 2 occurances of asynchronous I/O wait times exceeded.
 When this occurs, every database crashes at the same time.  The solution
 from EMC is to turn asynchronous I/O off in all of the Oracle instances
 (disk_async_io = false) and to increase the database writer slaves
 (dbwr_io_slaves = something not 0) to emulate asynchronous I/O.
 Has anyone run into this problem before?  If so, how did you
 correct it?  My feeling is that EMC is trying to give us a bandage to
 cover up the real problem, by trying to get Oracle to ignore it.

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Re: list of shourtcut oracle9ias mswindows

2002-04-15 Thread Gene Sais

The installer consumes huge quantities of memory and most personal computers aren't 
designed for it.  Also, check your swap space, windoze usually defaults to an 
inadequate size.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/15/02 11:39AM 

You need to investigate why this is happening.

The installer is likely crashing before it is complete. I've had
the same thing happen with 8i on NT.  The fix for me was 
to reboot the box, don't start anything else, just install Oracle.

The installers are notoriously fussy.  I've had this and similar
problems on several versions.

You really need to reinstall.

Jared


On Sunday 14 April 2002 16:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 HI

 I installed oracle9ias v1.0.2.2.2a but it didn t install the groups and
 its shorcuts.

 Anybody has this list of groups, shortcuts and parameters of this
 shortcuts.

 Thanks a lot

 Alvaro Quintero
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Re: list of shourtcut oracle9ias mswindows

2002-04-15 Thread AlvQn

The installation was successfull (at least this was the message) but the 
gruops oracle developer 6, oracle discoverer server 4i, oracle forms and 
reports 6i, oracle forms 6i, oracle olap client 2.2, oracle reports 6i , 
oracle reports 6i Admin are empty.

The group oracle isuites is O.K.

I still have to reinstall?


Thanks again



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You need to investigate why this is happening.
 
 The installer is likely crashing before it is complete. I've had
 the same thing happen with 8i on NT.  The fix for me was 
 to reboot the box, don't start anything else, just install Oracle.
 
 The installers are notoriously fussy.  I've had this and similar
 problems on several versions.
 
 You really need to reinstall.
 
 Jared
 
 
 On Sunday 14 April 2002 16:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
HI

I installed oracle9ias v1.0.2.2.2a but it didn´t install the groups and
its shorcuts.

Anybody has this list of groups, shortcuts and parameters of this
shortcuts.

Thanks a lot

Alvaro Quintero



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RE: EMC Storage Array Issue

2002-04-15 Thread Khedr, Waleed

 Getting an error means having i/o problems. Disabling async_io and
increasing slaves means stopping the error but does not mean any performance
gain since there are io issues. I think they have to find and trace the time
out errors and try to fix them.

Are you using raw or cooked (i assume raw)?

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Sent: 4/15/02 10:33 AM

We have implemented a Sun Solaris Cluster (4 machines), connected to
an EMC storage array.  The migration began last fall, and we now have 15
Oracle instances, with a mixture of 8.1.6 and 8.1.7, located there.  We
recently have had 2 occurances of asynchronous I/O wait times exceeded.
When this occurs, every database crashes at the same time.  The solution
from EMC is to turn asynchronous I/O off in all of the Oracle instances
(disk_async_io = false) and to increase the database writer slaves
(dbwr_io_slaves = something not 0) to emulate asynchronous I/O.
Has anyone run into this problem before?  If so, how did you
correct it?  My feeling is that EMC is trying to give us a bandage to
cover up the real problem, by trying to get Oracle to ignore it.

Thank you.

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into it - Tom Lehrer


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About SAN -- IBM or COMPAQ

2002-04-15 Thread Ivan Llamoca

Hi friends:

I'm evaluating migration of storage to SAN( Storage Area Network),
I have
- 2 Database  Oracle 8.1.7 of 100 GB each one on RISC Plataform
- 100 GB  of data on fileservers INTEL with WIN 2K
What do you think about:

-COMPAQ - MA8000
-IBM-FastT500
-HP- VA7000

Thanks for your help,

ILL
DBA Oracle

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Re: EMC Storage Array Issue

2002-04-15 Thread Scott Canaan

Claudio,
I didn't think to mention the process.  It is always the ckpt (checkpoint)
background process that reports the problem.  The database goes down with an
ORA-27062.

claudio cutelli wrote:

 Hi,
 which background process had the problem?
 because if lgwr, it already write in sync mode ...

 - Original Message -
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 5:33 PM

  We have implemented a Sun Solaris Cluster (4 machines), connected to
  an EMC storage array.  The migration began last fall, and we now have 15
  Oracle instances, with a mixture of 8.1.6 and 8.1.7, located there.  We
  recently have had 2 occurances of asynchronous I/O wait times exceeded.
  When this occurs, every database crashes at the same time.  The solution
  from EMC is to turn asynchronous I/O off in all of the Oracle instances
  (disk_async_io = false) and to increase the database writer slaves
  (dbwr_io_slaves = something not 0) to emulate asynchronous I/O.
  Has anyone run into this problem before?  If so, how did you
  correct it?  My feeling is that EMC is trying to give us a bandage to
  cover up the real problem, by trying to get Oracle to ignore it.
 
  Thank you.
 
  --
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  (585) 475-7886
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  into it - Tom Lehrer
 
 
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Re: EMC Storage Array Issue

2002-04-15 Thread George Schlossnagle

Are you running Veritas as well?  There are (I belive still outstanding) 
bugs with VXFS/VXVM on Oracle which cause these errors.  Also, are you 
seeing high latency right times or experiencing 'hangs' in IO to your 
symmetrix?  I've also seen faulty fiber cabling cause this problem 
(basically all IO to the symmetrix blocked, and the asynch io's 
timed-out.

George

On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 01:19 PM, Scott Canaan wrote:

 Claudio,
 I didn't think to mention the process.  It is always the ckpt 
 (checkpoint)
 background process that reports the problem.  The database goes down 
 with an
 ORA-27062.

 claudio cutelli wrote:

 Hi,
 which background process had the problem?
 because if lgwr, it already write in sync mode ...

 - Original Message -
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 5:33 PM

 We have implemented a Sun Solaris Cluster (4 machines), connected 
 to
 an EMC storage array.  The migration began last fall, and we now have 
 15
 Oracle instances, with a mixture of 8.1.6 and 8.1.7, located there.  
 We
 recently have had 2 occurances of asynchronous I/O wait times 
 exceeded.
 When this occurs, every database crashes at the same time.  The 
 solution
 from EMC is to turn asynchronous I/O off in all of the Oracle 
 instances
 (disk_async_io = false) and to increase the database writer slaves
 (dbwr_io_slaves = something not 0) to emulate asynchronous I/O.
 Has anyone run into this problem before?  If so, how did you
 correct it?  My feeling is that EMC is trying to give us a bandage 
 to
 cover up the real problem, by trying to get Oracle to ignore it.

 Thank you.

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Re: Archiving Data Strategies.

2002-04-15 Thread Jared . Still

Ian,

I've put of replying to this for a couple of weeks now.  I see that
no one else has replied either, at least to the list.

Archiving data is a rather complex subject. 

When data is taken offline and archived, there are a number 
of things to consider.

* algorithms for archiving.

Your application may already have this built in.  If not, you will
need to build it yourself.  Archiving data with it's dependence on
other data is not a simple task.  There are 3rd party tools to aid
in this. ( don't ask me which, I've never used one.  I just know
they're available )

* media life

How long will the archive media survive?  Nothing lasts forever.
CDROM's have a useful life of about 20 years.  ( don't throw away
those vinyl LP's! )

Tape lasts 10-15 years.

But that's only part of the problem.  Will you have the hardware
needed to read the format stored on tape or disk? 

Will the hardware still work?  What if it breaks?  You may not
be able to fix it.

* binaries

You better keep versions of the binaries that are current with
the archived data.  Programs change over time.  You won't 
be able to read 10 year old data with your current software.

* data structures

These are static.  Do you think that you'll be able to load 10 year
old data into your current data structures?  Probably not.

* legal requirements

Are you legally required to keep records for a period of time? 
Accounting data for the last 7 years ( at least ) is usually needed
for audits.  Medical records must often be available for 15 years.

* cost

It's probably less expensive to leave your data online.

---

As for as I'm concerned, data that has been archived is lost.

Even if you do due diligence in all of the requisite areas,  the 
chances of every seeing data are greatly reduced with time
once it's archived and deleted from an online system.

I just bought a very interesting book yesterday, DARK AGES II - When
The Digital Data Die

It's theme is the longevity of digital data.  I'll post more when I've 
read it.

Jared








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Hi All,

I previously posted this question to the Lazydba List and got a couple
of replies, but thought I would also send it to this list as well to see
if I can just get a couple more (so excuses to those people that have
already seen it)

I am currently discussing with a customer their requirements for
archiving data as their system is 4 years old and billing data is piling
up which obviously is affecting performance. I am pushing for an Oracle
upgrade, they are currently on 7.3.4 and I am trying to get them to go
to 9i. The main reason for this is so they can use partitioning.

My question to the List is to try and find out other people's
experiences in archiving complex and integral data and whether most have
gone the partitioning path or some other path (ie. Something like
separate tables and data migration).

So I would appreciate anyones comments, the path they chose, database
size etc. 

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Re: list of shourtcut oracle9ias mswindows

2002-04-15 Thread Jared . Still

By successful do you mean that the final screen came up, and you
pressed the EXIT button to exit the installer?

If not, the install was not successful.

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The installation was successfull (at least this was the message) but the 
gruops oracle developer 6, oracle discoverer server 4i, oracle forms and 
reports 6i, oracle forms 6i, oracle olap client 2.2, oracle reports 6i , 
oracle reports 6i Admin are empty.

The group oracle isuites is O.K.

I still have to reinstall?


Thanks again



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 You need to investigate why this is happening.
 
 The installer is likely crashing before it is complete. I've had
 the same thing happen with 8i on NT.  The fix for me was 
 to reboot the box, don't start anything else, just install Oracle.
 
 The installers are notoriously fussy.  I've had this and similar
 problems on several versions.
 
 You really need to reinstall.
 
 Jared
 
 
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HI

I installed oracle9ias v1.0.2.2.2a but it didn´t install the groups and
its shorcuts.

Anybody has this list of groups, shortcuts and parameters of this
shortcuts.

Thanks a lot

Alvaro Quintero



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Re: EMC Storage Array Issue

2002-04-15 Thread Anjo Kolk

Claudio,

All writes in Oracle are synchronous, they are just fired asynchronously. So
even the DBWR writes synchronously.
So individual writes are synchronously, they are just fired off
asynchronously.

Anjo Kolk.

claudio cutelli wrote:

 Hi,
 which background process had the problem?
 because if lgwr, it already write in sync mode ...

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  We have implemented a Sun Solaris Cluster (4 machines), connected to
  an EMC storage array.  The migration began last fall, and we now have 15
  Oracle instances, with a mixture of 8.1.6 and 8.1.7, located there.  We
  recently have had 2 occurances of asynchronous I/O wait times exceeded.
  When this occurs, every database crashes at the same time.  The solution
  from EMC is to turn asynchronous I/O off in all of the Oracle instances
  (disk_async_io = false) and to increase the database writer slaves
  (dbwr_io_slaves = something not 0) to emulate asynchronous I/O.
  Has anyone run into this problem before?  If so, how did you
  correct it?  My feeling is that EMC is trying to give us a bandage to
  cover up the real problem, by trying to get Oracle to ignore it.
 
  Thank you.
 
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RE: list of shourtcut oracle9ias mswindows

2002-04-15 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

I would encourage you to re-install, even though it takes a while to install
iAS.  It's worth the hassle.

If the groups and icons are missing, what else might be missing?

The installer tells you the installation was successful, even though no
icons were created.  Obviously it doesn't track everything.  Since it
doesn't track one thing, you can be sure that it is not tracking others.

Don't take a chance with iAS if you can avoid it.  There are enough pieces
bundled in iAS that you don't want to have to start figuring out which ones
are there, and which ones are not.

I concur with Jared, during the installation, don't do things like surf the
'net, leave the computer alone.  Not only because of the Universal
Installer, but also because of all the Java-related work that is going on.

My advice from administering two iAS servers on NT.

If after a second try you still have missing pieces, and you want to do it a
third time, try boosting the jrew.exe process priority from normal to high.
But only as a last resort.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
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The installation was successfull (at least this was the message) but the 
gruops oracle developer 6, oracle discoverer server 4i, oracle forms and 
reports 6i, oracle forms 6i, oracle olap client 2.2, oracle reports 6i , 
oracle reports 6i Admin are empty.

The group oracle isuites is O.K.

I still have to reinstall?


Thanks again



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You need to investigate why this is happening.
 
 The installer is likely crashing before it is complete. I've had
 the same thing happen with 8i on NT.  The fix for me was 
 to reboot the box, don't start anything else, just install Oracle.
 
 The installers are notoriously fussy.  I've had this and similar
 problems on several versions.
 
 You really need to reinstall.
 
 Jared
 
 
 On Sunday 14 April 2002 16:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
HI

I installed oracle9ias v1.0.2.2.2a but it didn´t install the groups and
its shorcuts.

Anybody has this list of groups, shortcuts and parameters of this
shortcuts.

Thanks a lot

Alvaro Quintero



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RE: runInstaller problems - urgent

2002-04-15 Thread Reddy, Madhusudana

PROBLEM DESCRIPTION
---
 
AutoInstall worker failed during Oracle Applications Release 11.0
installation with the following error:

Unable to initialize threads: cannot find class java/lang/thread.
Could not create Java VM.


Configuration Information:

Product:Oracle Applications 
Version:11.0 
Platform:   Sun Sparc Solaris
Version:2.5.1
Oracle Version: 8.0.4



SEARCH WORDS:
 
adaimgr auto install thread

SOLUTION DESCRIPTION

 
The $OA_JDK_TOP/lib/rt.jar path needs to be included in the
$CLASSPATH environment variable.

The steps taken to solve this problem are as follows:

1. Include the $OA_JDK_TOP/lib/rt.jar path in the $CLASSPATH
   environment variable.

   The $CLASSPATH environment variable resided in the
   $APPL_TOP/admin/adovars.env file, and it is edited by the
   user.  Other variables such as JAVA_TOP, OA_JDK_TOP,
   OAH_TOP, and OAD_TOP are defined also in this file.

2. Export the $CLASSPATH variable to the environment.

3. Invoke the adctrl tool to label the worker that failed as
   Fixed/Restart.

4. Invoke the AutoInstall adaimgr to continue where the
   installation left off.


http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_datab
ase_id=NOTp_id=1059189.6

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Hi,

I'm trying to get the runInstaller working ... I've done this a million and
one times, but for some reason, tonight of all nights it doesn't want to
run.

It keeps saying: 

Initializing Java Virtual Machine from /tmp/OraInstall/jre/bin/jre. Please
wait...
Unable to initialize threads: cannot find class java/lang/Thread
Could not create Java VM

I've got the CLASSPATH set to $ORACLE_HOME/jdbc/lib/classes111.zip

I'm running 8.1.7 on HP-UX

Please help.

Thanks

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OT: Cobol Zone Dec.

2002-04-15 Thread Koivu, Lisa

Hello everyone, 

If anyone can help me interpret this junk that I am seeing (I have a feeling
it's zone decimal, but I am having a hard time finding a simple definition
of exactly what zone dec is) please email me directly. 

Thank you, here's some of my junk, er, an example of what I'm referring to. 

  1  select id, member_number, assessment_0_30_delinquent,
total_past_due
  2 from fpmast_raw
  3 where rownum  15
  4* and total_past_due not like '000%'
(INV-ELVIS)/

   ID MEMBER_NU ASSESSMEN TOTAL_PAS
- - - -
  193 001469663 001061I   001777C
  215 001547860 00{   001201B
  250 001747190 000252G   002626H
  272 002166726 00{   007573A
  284 002224443 000185D   002087A
  308 002267067 000293G   019461B
  309 002268727 00{   001201B
  390 002441850 000226F   001633C
  443 002566750 00{   001124H
  468 002643641 000198B   003603D
  565 003342161 000421C   003228B
  569 003346365 000274A   006456{
  579 003368045 000366C   023057H
  731 004286360 000259A   011834D




Lisa Koivu
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RE: EMC Storage Array Issue

2002-04-15 Thread James A

We ran into a similar issue on 8.1.6.0 for Solaris 32bit and Veritas
Volumes.  Oracle noted this as a bug in their release and suggest go to
8.1.6.3 or better 8.1.7.3.
We are testing this now.  So far it seems to work.


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We have implemented a Sun Solaris Cluster (4 machines), connected to
an EMC storage array.  The migration began last fall, and we now have 15
Oracle instances, with a mixture of 8.1.6 and 8.1.7, located there.  We
recently have had 2 occurances of asynchronous I/O wait times exceeded.
When this occurs, every database crashes at the same time.  The solution
from EMC is to turn asynchronous I/O off in all of the Oracle instances
(disk_async_io = false) and to increase the database writer slaves
(dbwr_io_slaves = something not 0) to emulate asynchronous I/O.
Has anyone run into this problem before?  If so, how did you
correct it?  My feeling is that EMC is trying to give us a bandage to
cover up the real problem, by trying to get Oracle to ignore it.

Thank you.

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Re: EMC Storage Array Issue

2002-04-15 Thread George Schlossnagle


On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 02:08 PM, Anjo Kolk wrote:

 Claudio,

 All writes in Oracle are synchronous, they are just fired 
 asynchronously. So
 even the DBWR writes synchronously.

My dbw uses asynchronous writes  I'm writing to qio files, which 
means that they bypass buffer cache, but I think it's misleading to call 
those 'synchronous writes', they're asynchronous, unbuffered writes.

14:28:09(george@core-0)[~] truss -tkaio -twrite -tread -p `ps -ef | 
grep dbw | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}'`
kaio(AIOWRITE, 396, 0xB0258000, 8192, 0x4FBF6000, 0x01974EC8) = 0
kaio(AIOWRITE, 308, 0xB6BFE000, 8192, 0x48478000, 0x01B20518) = 0
kaio(AIOWRITE, 396, 0xB921A000, 8192, 0x249E8000, 0x019C5558) = 0
kaio(AIOWRITE, 396, 0xB4584000, 8192, 0x24F7E000, 0x0196CA84) = 0
kaio(AIOWRITE, 396, 0xB82BC000, 8192, 0x6D822000, 0x01B543CC) = 0
kaio(AIOWRITE, 313, 0xB5ED4000, 8192, 0x1FCD2000, 0x019EE1D8) = 0
kaio(AIOWRITE, 395, 0xBF256000, 8192, 0x21AE6000, 0x01971958) = 0
kaio(AIOWRITE, 313, 0xB170, 8192, 0x1FCD4000, 0x019B65D0) = 0
kaio(AIOWRITE, 396, 0xBA238000, 8192, 0x24F86000, 0x01B5E32C) = 0






 So individual writes are synchronously, they are just fired off
 asynchronously.

 Anjo Kolk.

 claudio cutelli wrote:

 Hi,
 which background process had the problem?
 because if lgwr, it already write in sync mode ...

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 We have implemented a Sun Solaris Cluster (4 machines), connected 
 to
 an EMC storage array.  The migration began last fall, and we now have 
 15
 Oracle instances, with a mixture of 8.1.6 and 8.1.7, located there.  
 We
 recently have had 2 occurances of asynchronous I/O wait times 
 exceeded.
 When this occurs, every database crashes at the same time.  The 
 solution
 from EMC is to turn asynchronous I/O off in all of the Oracle 
 instances
 (disk_async_io = false) and to increase the database writer slaves
 (dbwr_io_slaves = something not 0) to emulate asynchronous I/O.
 Has anyone run into this problem before?  If so, how did you
 correct it?  My feeling is that EMC is trying to give us a bandage 
 to
 cover up the real problem, by trying to get Oracle to ignore it.

 Thank you.

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Re: UNIX hardware sizing for multiple instances

2002-04-15 Thread Paul Vallee

Hi Peter,

disk space... you'll want a healthy margin here, enough to take hot backups,
keep a day's worth of archived redo, etc. The other thing when buying disk
nowadays is remembering that disk storage capacity (in MB) has increased
dramatically faster than disk IO capacity (in MB/minute). You'll have to
ensure that however much you buy, it can handle not only your storage
requirements but also your IO requirements. Some SAs have been known to only
format the inside 25% of each platter because of IO needs outweighing
storage capacity.

physical memory... don't forget to calculate additional memory for your
instance processes and background processes!

number of processors... although oracle was designed to use multiple
processors (or multiple threads on NT) acting simultaneously, oracle's
current pricing model encourages you to use few (or one!) very fast
processors instead. My understanding is that a single very fast processor
can give excellent oracle performance. Interestingly, I understand that
there is a significant performance advantage to using 8MB secondary caches
instead of 4MB caches, as the bulk of the active oracle executable code is
then op-code cached.

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My group has requirement to run three, possibly
four, instances of Oracle (8.1.7, most likely) on a UNIX server
(AIX, if that matters).  We are considering separate instances
because the software comes from three different vendors.
The fourth database will be ours and may be able to run on one of
the other three instances.

For determining the size of the server we are using the following
guidelines:

disk space = amount needed for the o/s (including virtual memory) +
 Oracle software +
 data files

physical memory = amount needed for the o/s +
  total sizes of the SGA for all instances

number of processors = at least two

processor speed = somewhere in the middle range

We are assuming that the processors do not have to be blindingly fast for
a database server.  We are also assuming that the number of processors
is more important than their speed.

So my questions are:

1.  Are we on the right track with the physical memory calculation?

2.  Should we figure in an additional amount of memory for each dedicated
server process,
assuming that we will not be using MTS?

3.  What criteria should we use to determine number of processors?

4.  Any other comments about our calculations and assumptions?

Thanks,

Peter Schauss
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516-346-3148
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User_product_profile and sqlplusw

2002-04-15 Thread Rick_Cale

Hi,

I have successfully restricted insert,update,delete using
product_user_profile if the user users sqlplus at the command prompt.
However I cannot
get it to work if they use sqlplusw.exe.  Any ideas what entry I have to
use to enforce this.

This is what I used to restrict product access with sqlplus.exe

This works for command prompt sqlplus
insert into
SYSTEM.PRODUCT_USER_PROFILE(PRODUCT,USERID,ATTRIBUTE,CHAR_VALUE)
values ('SQLPlus','USER_ID','INSERT','DISABLED') ;

This does not work for windows sqlplus
insert into
SYSTEM.PRODUCT_USER_PROFILE(PRODUCT,USERID,ATTRIBUTE,CHAR_VALUE)
values ('SQLPlusw','USER_ID','INSERT','DISABLED') ;


Thanks
Rick


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RE: User_product_profile and sqlplusw

2002-04-15 Thread Shaw John-P55297

I haven't tried this for a while, but I think it's case sensitive. try
'sqlplusw.exe'

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Hi,

I have successfully restricted insert,update,delete using
product_user_profile if the user users sqlplus at the command prompt.
However I cannot
get it to work if they use sqlplusw.exe.  Any ideas what entry I have to
use to enforce this.

This is what I used to restrict product access with sqlplus.exe

This works for command prompt sqlplus
insert into
SYSTEM.PRODUCT_USER_PROFILE(PRODUCT,USERID,ATTRIBUTE,CHAR_VALUE)
values ('SQLPlus','USER_ID','INSERT','DISABLED') ;

This does not work for windows sqlplus
insert into
SYSTEM.PRODUCT_USER_PROFILE(PRODUCT,USERID,ATTRIBUTE,CHAR_VALUE)
values ('SQLPlusw','USER_ID','INSERT','DISABLED') ;


Thanks
Rick


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Locally managed tablespaces/What a DBA can do ?

2002-04-15 Thread Browett, Darren

I am looking into locally managed tablespaces, have done some research, and
have a basic 
understanding of how they work, but I am unsure about the benefits if any
for my environment.

I have multiple instances running, one for each application.  In some cases
these apps just have two tablespaces, data and index. 

If I have a tablespace that is composed of tables that are various sizes and
activity, will LMT help or hinder ?

I have read the paper about creating tablespaces based on extent size,
which is the concept 
I would follow,  but I am unsure how the vendor(s) would feel if I re-org'd
their database(s).

Thanks

Darren

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Replication errors

2002-04-15 Thread Nguyen, David M

I have problem with our database replication between Master and Slaves.
Looked at alert.log, I found following errors.  Can someone please explain
to me what following errors mean and how do I fix them?

ORA-01001: invalid cursor
ORA-06512: at SYS.DBMS_SNAPSHOT, line 386
ORA-06512: at SYS.DBMS_IREFRESH, line 450
ORA-06512: at SYS.DBMS_REFRESH, line 182

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Re: EMC Storage Array Issue

2002-04-15 Thread George Schlossnagle

It seems silly to get into a semantic argument over this.  My point was 
that Oracle in fact does use asynchronous io as far as the POSIX 
definition of aio.  Just because the ocntrolling thread looks in on the 
status of the aiocb when it is signaled upon completion doesn't make it 
any less asynchronous.


On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 06:23 PM, Anjo Kolk wrote:

 George,

 Those writes are unbuffered (so synchronous) and each thread will write 
 them
 out  and will wait for the write to finish and then update the AIO 
 control
 block in the parent thread to indicate that the I/O took place. The 
 parent
 thread will check this control block to make sure that the I/O really
 happened. If there is an error or some time out experid and the i/o 
 didn't
 complete, the parent thread will assume an error.

 Anjo.


 George Schlossnagle wrote:

 On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 02:08 PM, Anjo Kolk wrote:

 Claudio,

 All writes in Oracle are synchronous, they are just fired
 asynchronously. So
 even the DBWR writes synchronously.

 My dbw uses asynchronous writes  I'm writing to qio files, which
 means that they bypass buffer cache, but I think it's misleading to 
 call
 those 'synchronous writes', they're asynchronous, unbuffered writes.

 14:28:09(george@core-0)[~] truss -tkaio -twrite -tread -p `ps -ef |
 grep dbw | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}'`
 kaio(AIOWRITE, 396, 0xB0258000, 8192, 0x4FBF6000, 0x01974EC8) = 0
 kaio(AIOWRITE, 308, 0xB6BFE000, 8192, 0x48478000, 0x01B20518) = 0
 kaio(AIOWRITE, 396, 0xB921A000, 8192, 0x249E8000, 0x019C5558) = 0
 kaio(AIOWRITE, 396, 0xB4584000, 8192, 0x24F7E000, 0x0196CA84) = 0
 kaio(AIOWRITE, 396, 0xB82BC000, 8192, 0x6D822000, 0x01B543CC) = 0
 kaio(AIOWRITE, 313, 0xB5ED4000, 8192, 0x1FCD2000, 0x019EE1D8) = 0
 kaio(AIOWRITE, 395, 0xBF256000, 8192, 0x21AE6000, 0x01971958) = 0
 kaio(AIOWRITE, 313, 0xB170, 8192, 0x1FCD4000, 0x019B65D0) = 0
 kaio(AIOWRITE, 396, 0xBA238000, 8192, 0x24F86000, 0x01B5E32C) = 0
 

 So individual writes are synchronously, they are just fired off
 asynchronously.

 Anjo Kolk.

 claudio cutelli wrote:

 Hi,
 which background process had the problem?
 because if lgwr, it already write in sync mode ...

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 Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 5:33 PM

 We have implemented a Sun Solaris Cluster (4 machines), 
 connected
 to
 an EMC storage array.  The migration began last fall, and we now 
 have
 15
 Oracle instances, with a mixture of 8.1.6 and 8.1.7, located there.
 We
 recently have had 2 occurances of asynchronous I/O wait times
 exceeded.
 When this occurs, every database crashes at the same time.  The
 solution
 from EMC is to turn asynchronous I/O off in all of the Oracle
 instances
 (disk_async_io = false) and to increase the database writer slaves
 (dbwr_io_slaves = something not 0) to emulate asynchronous I/O.
 Has anyone run into this problem before?  If so, how did you
 correct it?  My feeling is that EMC is trying to give us a bandage
 to
 cover up the real problem, by trying to get Oracle to ignore it.

 Thank you.

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Re: UNIX hardware sizing for multiple instances

2002-04-15 Thread Anjo Kolk

I know that sizing has to start some where, but what really drives the sizing
in my opinion is:
-what will the instances be used for, how many users and what kind of
transaction load is required
   (average and maximum), and what kind of response time is required
(average and maximum).

   That will drive the number if disks (as there can be a good estimate of
the number of I/Os per tx),
number of users will drive the memory requirements and number of CPU is
driven by the response time.

That is the technical minimum requirement as I see it, there may be a
completely different side to it that drives
money/economic decisions.

Performance should be a consideration in your sizing, else how do you know that
you buy enough disks ? Or fast enough CPUs or enough CPUs ?

Anjo.



Paul Vallee wrote:

 Hi Peter,

 disk space... you'll want a healthy margin here, enough to take hot backups,
 keep a day's worth of archived redo, etc. The other thing when buying disk
 nowadays is remembering that disk storage capacity (in MB) has increased
 dramatically faster than disk IO capacity (in MB/minute). You'll have to
 ensure that however much you buy, it can handle not only your storage
 requirements but also your IO requirements. Some SAs have been known to only
 format the inside 25% of each platter because of IO needs outweighing
 storage capacity.

 physical memory... don't forget to calculate additional memory for your
 instance processes and background processes!

 number of processors... although oracle was designed to use multiple
 processors (or multiple threads on NT) acting simultaneously, oracle's
 current pricing model encourages you to use few (or one!) very fast
 processors instead. My understanding is that a single very fast processor
 can give excellent oracle performance. Interestingly, I understand that
 there is a significant performance advantage to using 8MB secondary caches
 instead of 4MB caches, as the bulk of the active oracle executable code is
 then op-code cached.

 Hope this helps,
 Paul
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 Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 3:18 PM

 My group has requirement to run three, possibly
 four, instances of Oracle (8.1.7, most likely) on a UNIX server
 (AIX, if that matters).  We are considering separate instances
 because the software comes from three different vendors.
 The fourth database will be ours and may be able to run on one of
 the other three instances.

 For determining the size of the server we are using the following
 guidelines:

 disk space = amount needed for the o/s (including virtual memory) +
  Oracle software +
  data files

 physical memory = amount needed for the o/s +
   total sizes of the SGA for all instances

 number of processors = at least two

 processor speed = somewhere in the middle range

 We are assuming that the processors do not have to be blindingly fast for
 a database server.  We are also assuming that the number of processors
 is more important than their speed.

 So my questions are:

 1.  Are we on the right track with the physical memory calculation?

 2.  Should we figure in an additional amount of memory for each dedicated
 server process,
 assuming that we will not be using MTS?

 3.  What criteria should we use to determine number of processors?

 4.  Any other comments about our calculations and assumptions?

 Thanks,

 Peter Schauss
 Northrop Grumman Corporation
 516-346-3148
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temporary tablespace

2002-04-15 Thread Seema Singh

Hi
I created temporary tablespace by following command
create tablespace TEMP datafile
'/xxx/yyy/temp01.dbf' size 800M
autoextend on next 2m
default storage (initial 1024K
 next 1024K
 minextents 1
maxextents 2147483645
 pctincrease 0)
temporary online
/
Is this correct?
I am looking that it is filling the disk partitions.
is temp tablespace will release the space once i shutdown the database?
I am thinking i used to use create temporary tablespace temp
tempfile 'filename' size would be good syntax?
if i offline this tablespace and create another temporary tablespace and 
ssign that tablespace to users which are using earlier?What will beimpact?
tHx
-Seema



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Re: Stephen Andert's IOUG Dispatches

2002-04-15 Thread Jared . Still

Ah, I am definitely missing the Thai food.

I'll be there next year, I promise.

Jared





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fwd: Maximizing Productivity When Running Oracle9i on Windows NT/2000

2002-04-15 Thread Eric D. Pierce

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  Session Search
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  Display Session 
  Paper #105
  Title Maximizing Productivity When Running Oracle9i on Windows NT/2000
  Speaker Megh Thakkar Quest Software 
  Track Fast Track to Oracle9i 
  Description System administrators and DBAs can take numerous actions 
to optimize the performance of Oracle9i on Windows NT/2000. This 
presentation discusses various strategies for integrating, 
automating, and simplifying the administration of Oracle9i with 
Windows NT/2000. Practical tips are provided for using Oracle9i 
capabilities that can make an immediate impact on the current 
system. 

  Schedule Wednesday December 5th, 2001 at 08:30 AM in room Room 103

WhitepaperDownload ZIP format. 

http://www.oracle.com/pls/oow/oow_user.download?p_event_id=6p_file=W11958.zip

PresentationDownload ZIP format. 

http://www.oracle.com/pls/oow/oow_user.download?p_event_id=6p_file=P11958.zip

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Re: protocol.ora

2002-04-15 Thread Xiaohong Yang (Sharon)

Sajid,

I used protocol.ora to restrict connection based on ip on oracle 8.1.6.3.0 
and now 8.1.7.2.0 (Solaris 8).  I don't have problem.

However, when I had two sets of databases running on the same ORACLE_HOME 
and using two listeners for these two sets of databases, I had 
complications.  The behavior was that the listener that had the 
protocol.ora in the directory had to be started after the other one 
(somehow the restriction stayed in the memory).  If you failed to start the 
restricted-listener last, or restarted the open-connection listener after 
the restricted-listener is running, then the open-set of databases don't 
have open connections.

Hope this helps.
Sharon

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 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:59:01 +0100 (BST)
 Subject: Re: protocol.ora

Hi

I tried this however I get the same result as in it doesn't allow any
connections at all..even IP addresses which are included in the
.protocol.ora file.

Regards

Saj Iqbal


On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Jeremiah Wilton wrote:

 If you trace the listener you will see that it is looking for
 .protocol.ora with a leading period.  This is a documented bug.  Just
 copy protocol.ora to .protocol.ora.

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 On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Sajid Iqbal wrote:

  We used to use the protocol.ora file to restrict access to the database,
  on oracle 8.0.5
 
  However since moving to Oracle 8.1.6.3  this doesn't work.

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OC4J

2002-04-15 Thread P I P O



i am just curious if OC4J could be used
alone with out installing the other components
of the Application Server? I mean does the
OC4J has dependencies on the Appication Server
other components?


interview questions

2002-04-15 Thread Maria Aurora VT de la Vega

Hello Gurus.

I would like to ask anyone who were at one point worked as Oracle
Developers...
or anyone who can give their opinion...
I will be interviewing applicants for Oracle Developer position.
Since I'm the only Oracle person in this shop, I was tasked to handle
this interview.
I have 0 experience with the use of any Oracle Development tools...
And for me, as long as they know how to SQL and PLSQL...and respects
their DBA...
they're OK.
I am not sure if there are other things I should ask..

Inputs Please!

thanks.
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Re: OC4J

2002-04-15 Thread Charlie Mengler

AFAIK, OC4J is NOT dependent upon other 9iAS components.

P I P O wrote:
 
 
 i am just curious if OC4J could be used
 alone with out installing the other components
 of the Application Server? I mean does the
 OC4J has dependencies on the Appication Server
 other components?
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RE: temporary tablespace

2002-04-15 Thread Mandar Shete

Hi Seema,

Your file is growing because you have set AUTOEXTEND ON. When you shut the
instance down, Oracle will release the temp segments, but not actually
reduce the file size. You can try shrinking the file (preferably after
bouncing the instance) if possible, or you can add a new temp tablespace,
make it the users' default temp space, and drop the original one (after
checking, of course, that its not being used - see v$sort_segment,
v$sort_usage).

HTH,
Mandar.

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Hi
I created temporary tablespace by following command
create tablespace TEMP datafile
'/xxx/yyy/temp01.dbf' size 800M
autoextend on next 2m
default storage (initial 1024K
 next 1024K
 minextents 1
maxextents 2147483645
 pctincrease 0)
temporary online
/
Is this correct?
I am looking that it is filling the disk partitions.
is temp tablespace will release the space once i shutdown the database?
I am thinking i used to use create temporary tablespace temp
tempfile 'filename' size would be good syntax?
if i offline this tablespace and create another temporary tablespace and
ssign that tablespace to users which are using earlier?What will beimpact?
tHx
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RE: interview questions

2002-04-15 Thread Abdul Aleem

What if one or more of your candidates are members of this list ^_^?

I suggest to arrange your questions on level of difficulty, easy to hard to
make the candidate feel comfortable

A few simple ones
Which control to use for what purpose: e.g., mutually exclusive options,
more than one option from several options
What would you prefer for items that are not updateable, use display item or
make text item disabled

Medium
What to consider while manually joining two blocks
Using timer in forms

Difficult
Checking duplicate on non PK columns in a block
Blocks based on procedures

HTH!

Aleem
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:interview questions

Hello Gurus.

I would like to ask anyone who were at one point worked as Oracle
Developers...
or anyone who can give their opinion...
I will be interviewing applicants for Oracle Developer position.
Since I'm the only Oracle person in this shop, I was tasked to handle
this interview.
I have 0 experience with the use of any Oracle Development tools...
And for me, as long as they know how to SQL and PLSQL...and respects
their DBA...
they're OK.
I am not sure if there are other things I should ask..

Inputs Please!

thanks.
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Internet DBA'ng

2002-04-15 Thread Sujatha Madan

Hi,

We have a network/web hosting shop, and one of our customers is asking for a
firewall to be opened for DBA access over the internet. They want two
non-Oracle specific ports opened so that their Oracle Databases can be
administrated via the internet.

Has anyone heard of any vulnerabilities associated with this? Or is there
anything that I should be aware of in terms of security? Or should I be
asking them any questions?

Thanks

Sujatha
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Please ignore: Internet DBA'ng

2002-04-15 Thread Sujatha Madan

Solved this issue.

  -Original Message-
 From: Sujatha Madan  
 Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2002 2:55 PM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L (E-mail)
 Subject:  Internet DBA'ng
 
 Hi,
 
 We have a network/web hosting shop, and one of our customers is asking for
 a firewall to be opened for DBA access over the internet. They want two
 non-Oracle specific ports opened so that their Oracle Databases can be
 administrated via the internet.
 
 Has anyone heard of any vulnerabilities associated with this? Or is there
 anything that I should be aware of in terms of security? Or should I be
 asking them any questions?
 
 Thanks
 
 Sujatha
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sql isql

2002-04-15 Thread mkshrivastava

Dear Gurus,

Where can I get the difference between 'sql'  and  'isql'  in Oracle. I
shall be  grateful if anyone please mention some differences.

mks

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Unix script

2002-04-15 Thread Roland . Skoldblom

Hallo,

I have this unix script, please tell me how to change it so it also does the following:
(See attached file: laddabilbo.sh)

counts the time between start time and end time of the process(I mean time difference 
between Jobb startat(Job started)  and Job Klart(Job Finished).

IThis log file is also sent by mail to people. I would like this log file only to be 
sent if there is anything wrong with the script(for instance if the database is down) 
So if the script goes fine, then no email will be sent.

The log file looks like this:


Jobb startat :Sun Apr 14 18:06:23 MEST 2002
--
ehbgrupp  status

Total logical records skipped:  0
Total logical records read:   400
Total logical records rejected: 0
Total logical records discarded:0

Run began on Sun Apr 14 18:06:23 2002
Run ended on Sun Apr 14 18:11:51 2002

Elapsed time was: 00:05:28.15
CPU time was: 00:00:00.07 (Ma
--
--
kampanj  status

Total logical records skipped:  0
Total logical records read:13
Total logical records rejected: 0
Total logical records discarded:0

Run began on Sun Apr 14 18:11:51 2002
Run ended on Sun Apr 14 18:12:44 2002

Elapsed time was: 00:00:52.52
CPU time was: 00:00:00.04 (Ma
--
--
mxurval  status

Total logical records skipped:  0
Total logical records read:  4829
Total logical records rejected: 0
Total logical records discarded:0

Run began on Sun Apr 14 18:12:44 2002
Run ended on Sun Apr 14 18:12:50 2002

Elapsed time was: 00:00:05.90
CPU time was: 00:00:00.18 (Ma
--
--
load_arg  status

Total logical records skipped:  0
Total logical records read:151613
Total logical records rejected: 0
Total logical records discarded:0

Run began on Sun Apr 14 18:12:50 2002
Run ended on Sun Apr 14 18:28:11 2002

Elapsed time was: 00:15:20.92
CPU time was: 00:00:25.07 (Ma
--
--
laddabsg  status

Total logical records skipped:  0
Total logical records read: 92326
Total logical records rejected: 0
Total logical records discarded:0

Run began on Sun Apr 14 18:28:11 2002
Run ended on Sun Apr 14 18:40:15 2002

Elapsed time was: 00:12:03.95
CPU time was: 00:00:32.17 (Ma
--
Jobb klart! :Sun Apr 14 18:49:23 MEST 2002


I would really appreciate help.

Thanks in advance

Roland






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