RE: Some of you may find this useful

2003-01-12 Thread Andrey Bronfin
And what does KGL stand for ?
Thanks !

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Read Only Dependencies in the KGL.


Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan

 


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Ron, 
that's a bit of a puzzle because it should have been available since 7.3.2.
Which user are you using to query it? Also, anyone, I know what x$kglrd does
but anyone have any idea what the RD in the table name means? Read? Row?
Data? Dependency?

I'm open to suggestions.

Regards,
Mike Hately

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Stephane,
 My creativity has been stumulated, simulated, and mutated. What version of
Oracle are you using?  x$kglrd ...table or view does no exist on 8.1.7 rel 3
Ron

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/10/03 05:03AM 
break on proc
column QUERY format A40 word_wrapped
select substr(KGLNAOWN || '.' || KGLNACNM, 1, 35) proc, KGLNADNM QUERY
from x$kglrd where KGLNAOWN != 'SYS' order by 1, kgldepno /

If it doesn't stimulate your creativity I can do nothing for you :-).

Regards,

Stephane Faroult
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Re: Some of you may find this useful

2003-01-12 Thread Stephane Faroult
Andrey Bronfin wrote:
 
 And what does KGL stand for ?
 Thanks !

[K]ernel layer [G]eneric layer [L]ibrary cache manager. Feeling better
:-) ?
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: ? 10 ? 2003 19:45
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 Read Only Dependencies in the KGL.
 
 Best Regards,
 K Gopalakrishnan
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Mike (NESL-IT)
 Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:39 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 Ron,
 that's a bit of a puzzle because it should have been available since 7.3.2.
 Which user are you using to query it? Also, anyone, I know what x$kglrd does
 but anyone have any idea what the RD in the table name means? Read? Row?
 Data? Dependency?
 
 I'm open to suggestions.
 
 Regards,
 Mike Hately
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: 10 January 2003 15:50
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 Stephane,
  My creativity has been stumulated, simulated, and mutated. What version of
 Oracle are you using?  x$kglrd ...table or view does no exist on 8.1.7 rel 3
 Ron
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/10/03 05:03AM 
 break on proc
 column QUERY format A40 word_wrapped
 select substr(KGLNAOWN || '.' || KGLNACNM, 1, 35) proc, KGLNADNM QUERY
 from x$kglrd where KGLNAOWN != 'SYS' order by 1, kgldepno /
 
 If it doesn't stimulate your creativity I can do nothing for you :-).
 
 Regards,
 
 Stephane Faroult
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Re: Oracle CD's

2003-01-12 Thread faisal ahmad

thay are also sending oracle database release 2 on this link

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http://otn.oracle.com/software/products/ias/htdocs/winsoft.html#j2ee 
 
Click on TryOnline icon and fill in the form. But they are not sending 
Oracle Database these days. Ony Application Server, JDeveloper 
and Oracle Lite. 
 
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  One of my friend who has subscribed to oracle OTN has got three 
  CD's free(Oracle 9i Database CD's)...Can any one tell me how to 
  get it... 
  I am also registered in OTN but i am getting magazines only..No 
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RE: Some of you may find this useful

2003-01-12 Thread Naveen Nahata
And how does one find out more information about such cryptic, undocumented
tables??

experience? RD? be in company of more experienced people?

wat else?

Regards
Naveen

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Andrey Bronfin wrote:
 
 And what does KGL stand for ?
 Thanks !

[K]ernel layer [G]eneric layer [L]ibrary cache manager. Feeling better
:-) ?
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: ? 10 ? 2003 19:45
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 Read Only Dependencies in the KGL.
 
 Best Regards,
 K Gopalakrishnan
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Mike (NESL-IT)
 Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:39 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 Ron,
 that's a bit of a puzzle because it should have been available since 7.3.2.
 Which user are you using to query it? Also, anyone, I know what x$kglrd
does
 but anyone have any idea what the RD in the table name means? Read? Row?
 Data? Dependency?
 
 I'm open to suggestions.
 
 Regards,
 Mike Hately
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: 10 January 2003 15:50
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 Stephane,
  My creativity has been stumulated, simulated, and mutated. What version of
 Oracle are you using?  x$kglrd ...table or view does no exist on 8.1.7 rel
3
 Ron
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/10/03 05:03AM 
 break on proc
 column QUERY format A40 word_wrapped
 select substr(KGLNAOWN || '.' || KGLNACNM, 1, 35) proc, KGLNADNM QUERY
 from x$kglrd where KGLNAOWN != 'SYS' order by 1, kgldepno /
 
 If it doesn't stimulate your creativity I can do nothing for you :-).
 
 Regards,
 
 Stephane Faroult
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RE: Some of you may find this useful

2003-01-12 Thread Andrey Bronfin
THANKS ;-)

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Andrey Bronfin wrote:
 
 And what does KGL stand for ?
 Thanks !

[K]ernel layer [G]eneric layer [L]ibrary cache manager. Feeling better
:-) ?
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: ? 10 ? 2003 19:45
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 Read Only Dependencies in the KGL.
 
 Best Regards,
 K Gopalakrishnan
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Mike (NESL-IT)
 Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:39 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 Ron,
 that's a bit of a puzzle because it should have been available since 
 7.3.2. Which user are you using to query it? Also, anyone, I know what 
 x$kglrd does but anyone have any idea what the RD in the table name 
 means? Read? Row? Data? Dependency?
 
 I'm open to suggestions.
 
 Regards,
 Mike Hately
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: 10 January 2003 15:50
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 Stephane,
  My creativity has been stumulated, simulated, and mutated. What 
 version of Oracle are you using?  x$kglrd ...table or view does no 
 exist on 8.1.7 rel 3 Ron
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/10/03 05:03AM 
 break on proc
 column QUERY format A40 word_wrapped
 select substr(KGLNAOWN || '.' || KGLNACNM, 1, 35) proc, KGLNADNM 
 QUERY from x$kglrd where KGLNAOWN != 'SYS' order by 1, kgldepno /
 
 If it doesn't stimulate your creativity I can do nothing for you :-).
 
 Regards,
 
 Stephane Faroult
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Re: Some of you may find this useful

2003-01-12 Thread Stephane Faroult
Naveen Nahata wrote:
 
 And how does one find out more information about such cryptic, undocumented
 tables??
 
 experience? RD? be in company of more experienced people?
 
 wat else?
 
 Regards
 Naveen
 

Doc which should not have left Oracle? In practice, the meaning of names
you cannot guess but by grabbing information which leaks from Oracle.
But the really useful stuff you get by trial and error. Call it RD if
you want, but I have a higher opinion of RD. Typically, if you query
V$FIXED_VIEW_DEFINITION you can get, by checking how GV$ views are
defined, a good number of relationships between (G)V$ and X$ views. It
can help document say around 40% of all the X$ columns. This
unfortunately lets out in the cold a good number of X$ which are listed
in V$FIXED_TABLE without seemingly being used anywhere. Just to tell you
about X$KGLRD I have for some time being looking for how to relate
commands of type 47 (PL/SQL stuff) which appear in V$SQL and V$SQLAREA
to the regular SELECTs, INSERTs, UPDATEs, DELETEs they perform and which
_also_ appear in the stats - for one thing, in order to interpret
figures correctly, and also in order to be able to spot rotten
algorithms, which I see as the next frontier in terms of SQL tuning.
When you check V$FIXED_VIEW_DEFINITION you notice that V$SQL, V$SQLTEXT
and family revolve around mostly X$KGL views - X$KGLOB, X$KGLNA and the
like. I have therefore queried V$FIXED_TABLE for all X$KGL tables and
described them. VARCHAR columns are rare enough for my eye to have been
caught immediately by X$KGLRD (unreferenced by any V$), hence my post.
Continuing my work afterwards, I have turned my attention to RAW columns
and found that (kglrdhdl, kglnadhv) in this view were indeed the
(address, hash_value) of the statement (I usually generate brute force
joins on the RAW columns and see what returns something). Which means
a) that you can get the full text from V$SQLTEXT when it is longer than
512 characters
b) that when you spot a really ugly query in V$SQL, or a query which is
executed an insane number of times, you can work out from X$KGLRD which
procedure(s) call(s) it, which is not always easy otherwise (bar the
LIKE of death on DBA_SOURCE, which will not work if say the query is
dynamically built) - moreover it may also work with wrapped procedures.
  
My aim, remember, was to relate a PL/SQL block to the statements it
issues, so X$KGLRD is not the final answer. But I am still working on it
and closing in ... X$KGLDP seems promising ...
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Re: Some of you may find this useful

2003-01-12 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Stephane you have WAY too much free time :)

seriously, I let you guys muck around the internals and I learn from
your postings. Me, I'm busy enough just trying to keep my developers
from designing tables without thought to how Oracle handles things.


--- Stephane Faroult [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Naveen Nahata wrote:
  
  And how does one find out more information about such cryptic,
 undocumented
  tables??
  
  experience? RD? be in company of more experienced people?
  
  wat else?
  
  Regards
  Naveen
  
 
 Doc which should not have left Oracle? In practice, the meaning of
 names
 you cannot guess but by grabbing information which leaks from Oracle.
 But the really useful stuff you get by trial and error. Call it RD
 if
 you want, but I have a higher opinion of RD. Typically, if you query
 V$FIXED_VIEW_DEFINITION you can get, by checking how GV$ views are
 defined, a good number of relationships between (G)V$ and X$ views.
 It
 can help document say around 40% of all the X$ columns. This
 unfortunately lets out in the cold a good number of X$ which are
 listed
 in V$FIXED_TABLE without seemingly being used anywhere. Just to tell
 you
 about X$KGLRD I have for some time being looking for how to relate
 commands of type 47 (PL/SQL stuff) which appear in V$SQL and
 V$SQLAREA
 to the regular SELECTs, INSERTs, UPDATEs, DELETEs they perform and
 which
 _also_ appear in the stats - for one thing, in order to interpret
 figures correctly, and also in order to be able to spot rotten
 algorithms, which I see as the next frontier in terms of SQL tuning.
 When you check V$FIXED_VIEW_DEFINITION you notice that V$SQL,
 V$SQLTEXT
 and family revolve around mostly X$KGL views - X$KGLOB, X$KGLNA and
 the
 like. I have therefore queried V$FIXED_TABLE for all X$KGL tables and
 described them. VARCHAR columns are rare enough for my eye to have
 been
 caught immediately by X$KGLRD (unreferenced by any V$), hence my
 post.
 Continuing my work afterwards, I have turned my attention to RAW
 columns
 and found that (kglrdhdl, kglnadhv) in this view were indeed the
 (address, hash_value) of the statement (I usually generate brute
 force
 joins on the RAW columns and see what returns something). Which means
 a) that you can get the full text from V$SQLTEXT when it is longer
 than
 512 characters
 b) that when you spot a really ugly query in V$SQL, or a query which
 is
 executed an insane number of times, you can work out from X$KGLRD
 which
 procedure(s) call(s) it, which is not always easy otherwise (bar the
 LIKE of death on DBA_SOURCE, which will not work if say the query is
 dynamically built) - moreover it may also work with wrapped
 procedures.
   
 My aim, remember, was to relate a PL/SQL block to the statements it
 issues, so X$KGLRD is not the final answer. But I am still working on
 it
 and closing in ... X$KGLDP seems promising ...
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Re: BCHR Tuning

2003-01-12 Thread Jared Still

Jonathan,

Since you've mentioned it, how about summarizing those
mistakes for the rest of us?

This goes for you too, Mogens.  :)

A few things didn't sound right to me, but I don't often spend
time doing actual tuning of the database.

My tuning usually involves fixing or working around development
errrors.  When I have to actually tune the database, I just pick the worst 
offenders from the wait stats, and then figure out how to 
fix them by reading everyone else's research and/or experimenting.

Which is  a long winded way of saying this stuff doesn't
last long in my internal LIFO buffer.  :)

Jared


On Saturday 11 January 2003 01:16, Jonathan Lewis wrote:
 A brilliant solution.

 I knew that the real Steve Adams couldn't
 have edited it when I say the line starting:

 quote
 Latches are low-level queuing mechanisms
 end quote

 The man who wrote THE book about latches in
 Oracle couldn't possibly have made the mistake
 of thinking that latching was a queueing mechanism.
 In fact, there is a bit in Steve's chapter on latches
 which says quite specifically:

 latches do not support request queueing
 latch requests are not necessarily serviced in
 order.



 Having said that, I thought the article was far better
 than usual.  There was still plenty of scope for
 criticism, but it seemed to convey more useful
 information than usual, even though presentation
 and ordering were somewhat garbled in places, and
 there were several small errors and misunderstandings.


 Regards

 Jonathan Lewis
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 Undskyld!
 But you assumed that the Steve Adams mentioned at the bottom of that
 article is the one you know ;))

 They should have mentioned Steve's Web site. They did not miss tusc
 and ioug URLs. Ummm. wonder why not ;) ;)

 I say poor Copy Editing on part of the publishers.

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Re: BCHR Tuning

2003-01-12 Thread Jared Still
On Friday 10 January 2003 14:48, Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
 Obviously, we don't know what we're talking about. I can see there's a
 presentation by Rich Niemich at IOUG-A where he'll address all those
 idiots who are saying you should ignore the Cash Hit Ratio (and who are
 all just after making big money on their products - I loved that one).
  Or modify the set up of these tools to take action when BCHR falls..
 

Here's the session info:

Date: Mon, Apr 28, 2003 @ 11:45 AM - 12:15 PM 
Venue: Southern Hemisphere 2, Walt Disney World 
   Dolphin, Lake Buena Vista, FL 

Abstract: Lately, there has been a big push to ignore your
hit ratio with claims that it is meaningless. This shallow 
minded view (usually by people who sell a tuning tool) ignores 
why people look at hit ratios and what they are looking for. 
This quick tip talk will show you what to look for and why.
You will definitely know when, where  why to look at your 
hit ratio in the future. 

Show you why your hit ratio matters. How to analyze the
hit ratio. Fallacies by those who want to sell you products 
and tools instead. 


Shallow Minded ?!

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Re: RE : RMAN Repository

2003-01-12 Thread Jared Still

Geez Tom, I didn't realize it was so simple.  ;)

On Friday 10 January 2003 11:04, Mercadante, Thomas F wrote:
 separate and simplify the issues.

 develop a bullet-proof backup and recovery plan for the Rman repository
 *first*.

 then develop plans for production databases.

 trying to do both at the same time is a fools-errand.  waste of time.

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Re: RMAN new version myths

2003-01-12 Thread Jared Still

Find, but someone else can admin them.  ;)

Jared

On Friday 10 January 2003 11:30, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
 couldn't hurt on the last two at least :)

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Re: Statspack performance problem

2003-01-12 Thread Jared Still

Thanks Mogen.  Let's see if something comes of it.

In the meantime, I only collect lvl 0 in that database.

Jared

On Friday 10 January 2003 13:29, Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
 Juan Loaize and the guys in ST (Server Technologies) in Oracle
 Development added some index structures to certain x$-things (and
 thereby v$-things) in 7.3 and onwards, I think. However, v$sqlarea still
 has to do a group by, which sucks. v$sql is faster, but has more data,
 of course.

 I've CC'ed Bjorn Engsig from Miracle on this - he worked on some
 optimisations on StatsPack at Oracle before quitting. He (or maybe
 Graham Wood) could perhaps help here.

 Mogens

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 That seems to have been the problem.
 The snap ran in 2 seconds after setting the level to 0.
 This database has 50k+ SQL statements cached, usually.
 
 Setting it back to 5 is taking a very long time.  Apparently
 there is a lot going on behind the scenes when changing
 the snap level.
 
 In checking v$session_wait I find a lot of waits on latch free
 and direct path write.  This session has not done any sorts
 to disk, so I'm not sure why there are direct path writes.
 
 Maybe there are LOB's in Perfstat schema?  Dunno,
 have not looked.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jared
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Did you snap with the default value of 5? If so, then the SNAP proceduer
 will have to scan / sort V$SQLAREA and that can be very time-consuming. If
 you are CPU starved or have very high shared_pool access or issues in that
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 By performance problem, I mean that statspack.snap runs for several
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Re: BCHR Tuning

2003-01-12 Thread Rachel Carmichael
and those people sell a tuning tool hm, I hadn't noticed any
selling going on here. Or perhaps it's been subliminal? 


--- Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Friday 10 January 2003 14:48, Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
  Obviously, we don't know what we're talking about. I can see
 there's a
  presentation by Rich Niemich at IOUG-A where he'll address all
 those
  idiots who are saying you should ignore the Cash Hit Ratio (and who
 are
  all just after making big money on their products - I loved that
 one).
   Or modify the set up of these tools to take action when BCHR
 falls..
  
 
 Here's the session info:
 
 Date: Mon, Apr 28, 2003 @ 11:45 AM - 12:15 PM 
 Venue: Southern Hemisphere 2, Walt Disney World 
Dolphin, Lake Buena Vista, FL 
 
 Abstract: Lately, there has been a big push to ignore your
 hit ratio with claims that it is meaningless. This shallow 
 minded view (usually by people who sell a tuning tool) ignores 
 why people look at hit ratios and what they are looking for. 
 This quick tip talk will show you what to look for and why.
 You will definitely know when, where  why to look at your 
 hit ratio in the future. 
 
 Show you why your hit ratio matters. How to analyze the
 hit ratio. Fallacies by those who want to sell you products 
 and tools instead. 
 
 
 Shallow Minded ?!
 
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Re: BCHR Tuning

2003-01-12 Thread Anjo Kolk
Hmm,

Lately? That actually started publicly in 1998 as far as I am concerned ;-)
And acutally long before that.

Anjo.

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 On Friday 10 January 2003 14:48, Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
  Obviously, we don't know what we're talking about. I can see there's a
  presentation by Rich Niemich at IOUG-A where he'll address all those
  idiots who are saying you should ignore the Cash Hit Ratio (and who are
  all just after making big money on their products - I loved that one).
   Or modify the set up of these tools to take action when BCHR
falls..
  

 Here's the session info:

 Date: Mon, Apr 28, 2003 @ 11:45 AM - 12:15 PM
 Venue: Southern Hemisphere 2, Walt Disney World
Dolphin, Lake Buena Vista, FL

 Abstract: Lately, there has been a big push to ignore your
 hit ratio with claims that it is meaningless. This shallow
 minded view (usually by people who sell a tuning tool) ignores
 why people look at hit ratios and what they are looking for.
 This quick tip talk will show you what to look for and why.
 You will definitely know when, where  why to look at your
 hit ratio in the future.

 Show you why your hit ratio matters. How to analyze the
 hit ratio. Fallacies by those who want to sell you products
 and tools instead.


 Shallow Minded ?!

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Re: Some of you may find this useful

2003-01-12 Thread Anjo Kolk

Precise Indepth for Oracle relates SQL statements to PL/SQL procedures
without quering any X$ tables. So may you should buy that, but that may
not be an option for you ;-)

Anjo.


Stephane Faroult wrote:
.
 
 My aim, remember, was to relate a PL/SQL block to the statements it
 issues, so X$KGLRD is not the final answer. But I am still working on it
 and closing in ... X$KGLDP seems promising ...
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RE: Daramtically improve BCHR with a single statement

2003-01-12 Thread mantfield
To add an example of what Anjo, Morgens and everyone else is talking about, 
here is a perfect illustration of why focusing on BCHR is like 
concentrating intensely on how fast your tyres rotate in a Tour de France, 
instead of looking of where you are going (probably a lot more useful). 
Another example:
If I raced (100M sprint) against Maurice Green, and he went off in the 
wrong direction, despite the fact that he is so much faster than me (duh !) 
, I could lightly jog (as if I have anything else to offer) the 100M in the 
right direction and beat him. Well, focusing on BCHR alone is like going at 
full tilt with no direction.
Also, I have realized that cars have been around for  100 years now, so 
why exactly would I want to sprint again ? :-)

Check out this example:

run any number of scripts to look at BCHR. Then run the following anonymous 
PL/SQL block:

declare
  jackass number;
begin
 for jackass in 1..1000 loop
execute immediate 'select count (*) from solvit.solvit_lic ' ; -- 
replace this table with any single row table you like.
 end loop;
end;
/

Check your BCHR again. Wow, amazing ! How much better your BCHR looks now. 
This must be magic. If you would like to purchase other such tools, please 
feel free to drop me a line, I could also sell you a large iceberg, which 
would end your personal water restriction problems.

Another advantage to the above code is that it eliminates idle capacity 
from my CPU's (I paid for the thing, it should be put to work, right ? ) as 
my laptop has been at 100% CPU utilization for the last 8 minutes as I let 
this piece of crap run before I killed it (Oracle 9 on XP with 512 MB RAM 
[SGA 120 MB], with a bunch of other starved stuff running concurrently).

Reduction of logical I/O : Now THERE is the holy grail worth pursuing ! I 
am sure we could have a VERY interesting discussion on that one !

Feel free to use the above example to prove for once and for all that 
concetration on tuning BCHR alone is a fruitless exercise.

Regards :

Ferenc Mantfeld

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Subject:Re: BCHR Tuning

and those people sell a tuning tool hm, I hadn't noticed any
selling going on here. Or perhaps it's been subliminal?


--- Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Friday 10 January 2003 14:48, Mogens Norgaard wrote:
  Obviously, we don't know what we're talking about. I can see
 there's a
  presentation by Rich Niemich at IOUG-A where he'll address all
 those
  idiots who are saying you should ignore the Cash Hit Ratio (and who
 are
  all just after making big money on their products - I loved that
 one).
   Or modify the set up of these tools to take action when BCHR
 falls..
  

 Here's the session info:

 Date: Mon, Apr 28, 2003 @ 11:45 AM - 12:15 PM
 Venue: Southern Hemisphere 2, Walt Disney World
Dolphin, Lake Buena Vista, FL

 Abstract: Lately, there has been a big push to ignore your
 hit ratio with claims that it is meaningless. This shallow
 minded view (usually by people who sell a tuning tool) ignores
 why people look at hit ratios and what they are looking for.
 This quick tip talk will show you what to look for and why.
 You will definitely know when, where  why to look at your
 hit ratio in the future.

 Show you why your hit ratio matters. How to analyze the
 hit ratio. Fallacies by those who want to sell you products
 and tools instead.


 Shallow Minded ?!

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RE: Some of you may find this useful

2003-01-12 Thread Naveen Nahata
Thanx a lot for a very comprehensive answer.

More than the result, I learnt the method. thanx a lot

Regards
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Naveen Nahata wrote:
 
 And how does one find out more information about such cryptic, undocumented
 tables??
 
 experience? RD? be in company of more experienced people?
 
 wat else?
 
 Regards
 Naveen
 

Doc which should not have left Oracle? In practice, the meaning of names
you cannot guess but by grabbing information which leaks from Oracle.
But the really useful stuff you get by trial and error. Call it RD if
you want, but I have a higher opinion of RD. Typically, if you query
V$FIXED_VIEW_DEFINITION you can get, by checking how GV$ views are
defined, a good number of relationships between (G)V$ and X$ views. It
can help document say around 40% of all the X$ columns. This
unfortunately lets out in the cold a good number of X$ which are listed
in V$FIXED_TABLE without seemingly being used anywhere. Just to tell you
about X$KGLRD I have for some time being looking for how to relate
commands of type 47 (PL/SQL stuff) which appear in V$SQL and V$SQLAREA
to the regular SELECTs, INSERTs, UPDATEs, DELETEs they perform and which
_also_ appear in the stats - for one thing, in order to interpret
figures correctly, and also in order to be able to spot rotten
algorithms, which I see as the next frontier in terms of SQL tuning.
When you check V$FIXED_VIEW_DEFINITION you notice that V$SQL, V$SQLTEXT
and family revolve around mostly X$KGL views - X$KGLOB, X$KGLNA and the
like. I have therefore queried V$FIXED_TABLE for all X$KGL tables and
described them. VARCHAR columns are rare enough for my eye to have been
caught immediately by X$KGLRD (unreferenced by any V$), hence my post.
Continuing my work afterwards, I have turned my attention to RAW columns
and found that (kglrdhdl, kglnadhv) in this view were indeed the
(address, hash_value) of the statement (I usually generate brute force
joins on the RAW columns and see what returns something). Which means
a) that you can get the full text from V$SQLTEXT when it is longer than
512 characters
b) that when you spot a really ugly query in V$SQL, or a query which is
executed an insane number of times, you can work out from X$KGLRD which
procedure(s) call(s) it, which is not always easy otherwise (bar the
LIKE of death on DBA_SOURCE, which will not work if say the query is
dynamically built) - moreover it may also work with wrapped procedures.
  
My aim, remember, was to relate a PL/SQL block to the statements it
issues, so X$KGLRD is not the final answer. But I am still working on it
and closing in ... X$KGLDP seems promising ...
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DB Triggers vs Stored Procedures

2003-01-12 Thread Sathyanaryanan_K/VGIL
Hi  All
I would like to know the difference between using the Stored procedures in
DB Triggers and writing the code directly in the DB Trigger. Which would be
better to use and what r the advantages.
Rgds
Sathya


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Re: BCHR Tuning

2003-01-12 Thread Jared Still

And quite a number of folks were making use of the v$
stats quite some time before that with little regard for the BCHR, 
though maybe not officially yet ignoring the BCHR 

Jared


On Sunday 12 January 2003 17:03, Anjo Kolk wrote:
 Hmm,

 Lately? That actually started publicly in 1998 as far as I am concerned ;-)
 And acutally long before that.

 Anjo.

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  On Friday 10 January 2003 14:48, Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
   Obviously, we don't know what we're talking about. I can see there's a
   presentation by Rich Niemich at IOUG-A where he'll address all those
   idiots who are saying you should ignore the Cash Hit Ratio (and who are
   all just after making big money on their products - I loved that one).
  
Or modify the set up of these tools to take action when BCHR

 falls..

  Here's the session info:
 
  Date: Mon, Apr 28, 2003 @ 11:45 AM - 12:15 PM
  Venue: Southern Hemisphere 2, Walt Disney World
 Dolphin, Lake Buena Vista, FL
 
  Abstract: Lately, there has been a big push to ignore your
  hit ratio with claims that it is meaningless. This shallow
  minded view (usually by people who sell a tuning tool) ignores
  why people look at hit ratios and what they are looking for.
  This quick tip talk will show you what to look for and why.
  You will definitely know when, where  why to look at your
  hit ratio in the future.
 
  Show you why your hit ratio matters. How to analyze the
  hit ratio. Fallacies by those who want to sell you products
  and tools instead.
 
 
  Shallow Minded ?!
 
  Jared
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RE: DB Triggers vs Stored Procedures

2003-01-12 Thread mantfield
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Hi  All
I would like to know the difference between using the Stored procedures in
DB Triggers and writing the code directly in the DB Trigger. Which would be
better to use and what r the advantages.
Rgds
Sathya


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rsh on Unix hangs - OT

2003-01-12 Thread VIVEK_SHARMA

 The problem with rsh is as follows.
 
 The actual script is as follows.
 
 echo subbu
 su finacle -c '. /etc/b2k/ncb/com/commonenv.com;cd 
/finacle/ncb/b2kcomp1/3.0/bin;./stops'
 echo After stops
 sleep 5
 su finacle -c '. /etc/b2k/ncb/com/commonenv.com;cd 
/finacle/ncb/b2kcomp1/3.0/bin;./runs'
 echo after runs
 echo subbu
 
 When I execute this script from a remote machine as
 rsh archie /finacle/services/failover/back110102/subbu.com  
 The output is as follows
 subbu
 After stops
 after runs
 subbu
 
 After that that the rsh command is hanging. Actually it is running all the commands 
of remote script and then it is hanging.
 Any pointers to solve this problem.
 
 This is required as a part of failover between two machines.
 
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