RE: RAC or Oracle Fail Safe

2003-07-17 Thread Hussain Ahmed Qadri
Thank you to all those who replied and who intend to reply to this one :)

We are using Dell PE4600 servers. My concern was that I read it somewhere that if one 
of the node goes down, then the clients have to restart the application to log in 
again to the database, is that true? And is it any different on RAC?
We have the licensed RAC and Oracle Fail Safe CDs, so that is not an issue. I also 
believe that setting up RAC is more complex, so we wanted to confirm that if Fail Safe 
gives us HA, 24x7, and any change in node shifting (when active is down, passive 
becomes active) is transparent  to the user then we should go for Fail safe.
By the way, we intend to keep cluster settings of ACTIVE and PASSIVE, is there any 
issue regarding this?

Tanel Poder: you said that,  in event of failure you can start up instance on another 
node that will mount, recover and open the database.
Doesn't the second node automatically take over? And this means that the user has to 
log in again, do I get it right?


Best Regards,

Hussain

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Hi!

RAC - One database, two (or more) instances servicing it concurrently. If
one node crashes, second one starts recovering, your uncommitted
transactions and session state variables (package variables) on failed
instance are lost.

FailSafe - One database, one instance servicing it at any time, in event of
failure you can start up instance on another node that will mount, recover
and open the database.

With RAC you can have some kind of transparent failover which is able to
reexecute your queries on survived instance, but AFAIK for uncommitted
transaction survivability your app has to be coded to support it. Also, with
RAC you may scale your system up to support more users in some cases.

RAC is additional $20k per CPU, FailSafe comes with EE, I believe.

Tanel.

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 Hello all,

 We have setup a Microsoft Cluster Server (MSCS) cluster, with two nodes,
using W2K, and now are in the process of deploying Oracle 9i on it. For the
purpose of high availability (HA), we are deliberating on setting up either
RAC or Oracle Fail Safe. The confusion is over the fact that if we get HA
with oracle Fail Safe, i.e. if one node is down due to any problem, then the
other takes over, then can we do without RAC?
 Which of these two is more transparent to the user, i.e. which will take
less time to shift the load from one node (server) to the other node?
 Can any one explain the benefits of using RAC over Oracle Fail Safe, or
vice versa.

 Regards,

 Hussain

 DBA SKMCHRC

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RE: RAC or Oracle Fail Safe

2003-07-17 Thread RAJESH DAYAL
Title: RE: RAC or Oracle Fail Safe






Hi Hussain !

RAC can have Active-Active or Active-Passive combination for two nodes. While OFS can't give you Active-Active combination of two nodes. Basically a resource sharing is not possible in Oracle Fail safe so one resource can be used by only one node at one point of time. ( Resource means Hard Disk Space, Oracle Service, Listener etc).

RAC can give Transparent Application Failover TAF which is out of consideration in OFS.

In case of node failure on RAC System, the user will just need to attempt relogin and he will be connected _immediately_ to another surviving instance ( If tnsnames.ora is configured properly). While there is a significant amount of delay in case of OFS, the Database service has to failover from one node to another node and this may take it's own _sweet_ amount of time based on amount and type of activity being performed on the database.

Of course both the systems are screwed when your (shared) storage system is down ;-)

Lastly why would someone want to use only 1 out of 2 nodes when it is possible to use both the nodes? One possible answer is that, on one node you configure One server (say 9iAS) and on another node you configure database. Then under normal condition they will run on their respective nodes and when one fails they would switch-over to the surviving node. So your performance may suffer for the time during which any node is down.

So you are the best judge to decide now ;-)

Just my .2 c

Regards,
Rajesh


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Subject: RAC or Oracle Fail Safe

Hello all,

We have setup a Microsoft Cluster Server (MSCS) cluster, with two nodes, using W2K, and now are in the process of deploying Oracle 9i on it. For the purpose of high availability (HA), we are deliberating on setting up either RAC or Oracle Fail Safe. The confusion is over the fact that if we get HA with oracle Fail Safe, i.e. if one node is down due to any problem, then the other takes over, then can we do without RAC?
Which of these two is more transparent to the user, i.e. which will take less time to shift the load from one node (server) to the other node?
Can any one explain the benefits of using RAC over Oracle Fail Safe, or vice versa.

Regards,

Hussain

DBA SKMCHRC

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Using the 9i version of UTL_HTTP in 8i

2003-07-17 Thread Charu Joshi
Dear all,

Database: Oracle 8.1.7.4 Enterprise
OS: HP-UX 11

We want to implement a stored proc that would send data to an
http:// url using 'POST' method. The UTL_HTTP package in 8i
doesn't support the POST method, while that in 9i does.

We are now considering two options:
1. Install the 9i version of the package in the 8i database. If it
works, this would be good, because we are planning to upgrade
before 2004.

2. Use the code provided by Tom Kyte (with some modifications) in
'Oracle Expert one-on-one'.

Will the 9i version of UTL_HTTP run without any trouble in 8i? How
safe it is to do so? Will licensing be an issue here?

Thanks  regards,
Charu.


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RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make SPFILE in sync with INIT.ORA ?)

2003-07-17 Thread Turner, Adrian A SITI-ITPSIE
Roy,

I imagine its so that it can only be changed by someone who is validated against the 
database with the correct permissions.

Kind Regards,
Adrian

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sync with INIT.ORA ?)


I can definitely appreciate the benefits of dynamic parameters, and of being able to 
persist the values of those parameters accross shutdown/startup cycles.  But I would 
have guessed that oracle could have gotten both of those features together without 
going to a binary parameter file--couldn't whatever process writes to the spfile just 
write to a plain text file instead?  Does anybody know what the advantage of having a 
binary store of params is?

Cheers,

-Roy

Roy Pardee
Programmer/Analyst/DBA
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This can be solved by creating the PFILE again from the SPFILE; and this
doesn't need the instance to be up. However, you did drive the nail home,
Niall, with this example.

Part of the problem could be avoided by restricting the ALTER SYSTEM, SYSDBA
or SYSOPER privileges; but in a large shop with a lot of production support
DBAS!!

Arup Nanda

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 Not only that but this sort of thing should be avoidable.

 SQL alter system set db_cache_size=10m scope=both;

 System altered.

 time passes

 SQL alter system set db_block_buffers=1000 scope=spfile;

 System altered.

 SQL shutdown;
 Database closed.
 Database dismounted.
 ORACLE instance shut down.
 SQL startup
 ORA-00381: cannot use both new and old parameters for buffer cache size
 specific
 ation
 SQL


 What do you do if you didn't have an old fashioned text file? I'd also
 like to know how spfile changes get documented, it scares me enough that
 someone can change parameters on the fly, let alone that that can be
 done without comment or recording who did it. I'll admit thugh that this
 last is actually a failure of management and not technology.

 Niall
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  Subject: Re: How to make SPFILE in sync with INIT.ORA ?
 
 
  Dennis,
 
  My understanding is that Oracle felt if it was going to be a
   24x7x365 database, it had to have more parameters that could be
   changed online
 
  I couldn't agree more. 9i had more parameters that can be
  changed online; hope there are more in line.
 
   it doesn't make sense to rely on the DBA
   to remember to also update the init.ora file. You should be able to
   just make the change once.
 
  Absolutely. That's the point I was trying to raise. Oracle
  did provide the spfile route to make _persistent_ changes on
  the fly, but for only those parameters that can be changed
  through alter system set ... The problem was there is a
  different file that needs to be updated when making those
  other parameter changes. There should be only one place to
  change - hopefully spfile - either through the alter system
  command or othe editing. This editing could be done through a
  GUI interface, too, if needed; although, call me
  old-fashioned (and I am old, anyway, at least in IT
  timeline), personally I prefer the vi editor. And this is not
  an impossible idea. I gave the example of the listener.ora
  file. It can be edited (so old fashioned), through the
  lsntctl SAVE_CONFIG command (so spfile-like) or through Net
  Assistant (so GUI-friendly). The end result is the same - one
  file - regardless of how you modify a parameter. The same
  approach could have been done in pfile-spfile case.
 
I think with the pfile and spfile, Oracle was trying to
  give us the
   best of both worlds.
 
  Hmm! You think so? I think they just gave us a half-cooked
  hair-brained split-pea honey-mustard-ketchup-coated germ of a
  solution - sort of like Oracle 6 _without_ the Transaction
  Processing Option, if anyone remembers that. After you wipe
  off all those condiments, you find a Dr. Jekyll  Mr. Hyde
  parameter file(s)!
 
  Regards,
 
  Arup
 
 
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   Arup
  My understanding is that Oracle felt if it was going to be a
   24x7x365 database, it had to have more parameters that could be
   changed online.
  Some
   parameters were made changeable in Oracle9i, with hints of
  more to come.
  If the future is online changes, it doesn't make sense
  to rely on
   the
  DBA
   to remember to also update the init.ora file. You should be able to
   just make the change once.
  Also, there is a new generation of I.S. people coming along that
  doesn't
   think you can operate a 

RE: Using the 9i version of UTL_HTTP in 8i

2003-07-17 Thread Charu Joshi
Okay, I got the answer to the question - I tried compiling the 9i
utl_http package in an 8i test database, and it failed
conclusively.

Any other options for using the HTTP 'POST' method in 8i?

Thanks  regards,


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Dear all,

Database: Oracle 8.1.7.4 Enterprise
OS: HP-UX 11

We want to implement a stored proc that would send data to an
http:// url using 'POST' method. The UTL_HTTP package in 8i
doesn't support the POST method, while that in 9i does.

We are now considering two options:
1. Install the 9i version of the package in the 8i database. If it
works, this would be good, because we are planning to upgrade
before 2004.

2. Use the code provided by Tom Kyte (with some modifications) in
'Oracle Expert one-on-one'.

Will the 9i version of UTL_HTTP run without any trouble in 8i? How
safe it is to do so? Will licensing be an issue here?

Thanks  regards,
Charu.


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RE: RAC or Oracle Fail Safe

2003-07-17 Thread RAJESH DAYAL
Title: RE: RAC or Oracle Fail Safe






Answers in line...

-- I also believe that setting up RAC is more complex,

That's not totally true, For a DBA it shouldn't matter much, whether he is setting up RAC or OFS. But yes relatively RAC is a bit complex to manage.

-- and any change in node shifting (when active is down, passive becomes active) is transparent to the user

Not true really, user's session will flash error message and he will have to re login. This is true in both the cases(unless you implement TAF Transparent Application Failover logics in your application for RAC. One major difference would be that in RAC user can re-login immediately, while in OFS he has to wait till the other node bring the database up.

-- Doesn't the second node automatically take over?

Yes other node can be configured to take over automatically base on some simple in-built logic. But a DB recovery might be required depending on specific cases.

-- And this means that the user has to log in again, do I get it right?

 Yes you are right here.

HTH,
Rajesh

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Subject: RE: RAC or Oracle Fail Safe

Thank you to all those who replied and who intend to reply to this one :)

We are using Dell PE4600 servers. My concern was that I read it somewhere that if one of the node goes down, then the clients have to restart the application to log in again to the database, is that true? And is it any different on RAC?
We have the licensed RAC and Oracle Fail Safe CDs, so that is not an issue. I also believe that setting up RAC is more complex, so we wanted to confirm that if Fail Safe gives us HA, 24x7, and any change in node shifting (when active is down, passive becomes active) is transparent to the user then we should go for Fail safe.
By the way, we intend to keep cluster settings of ACTIVE and PASSIVE, is there any issue regarding this?

Tanel Poder: you said that,  in event of failure you can start up instance on another node that will mount, recover and open the database.
Doesn't the second node automatically take over? And this means that the user has to log in again, do I get it right?


Best Regards,

Hussain

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Hi!

RAC - One database, two (or more) instances servicing it concurrently. If
one node crashes, second one starts recovering, your uncommitted
transactions and session state variables (package variables) on failed
instance are lost.

FailSafe - One database, one instance servicing it at any time, in event of
failure you can start up instance on another node that will mount, recover
and open the database.

With RAC you can have some kind of transparent failover which is able to
reexecute your queries on survived instance, but AFAIK for uncommitted
transaction survivability your app has to be coded to support it. Also, with
RAC you may scale your system up to support more users in some cases.

RAC is additional $20k per CPU, FailSafe comes with EE, I believe.

Tanel.

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 Hello all,

 We have setup a Microsoft Cluster Server (MSCS) cluster, with two nodes,
using W2K, and now are in the process of deploying Oracle 9i on it. For the
purpose of high availability (HA), we are deliberating on setting up either
RAC or Oracle Fail Safe. The confusion is over the fact that if we get HA
with oracle Fail Safe, i.e. if one node is down due to any problem, then the
other takes over, then can we do without RAC?
 Which of these two is more transparent to the user, i.e. which will take
less time to shift the load from one node (server) to the other node?
 Can any one explain the benefits of using RAC over Oracle Fail Safe, or
vice versa.

 Regards,

 Hussain

 DBA SKMCHRC

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How to put both OID and Microsoft Active directory working????

2003-07-17 Thread Paulo Gomes




HI PEOPLE

thanks in 
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I finnally got 9ias release 2 
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hopping that you can help:

How do i put both OID and 
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unlocking objects

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Hi Gurus,



One of my object is locked. How do I
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The session is already killed, but still
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RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make SPFILE in

2003-07-17 Thread Rachel Carmichael
it's a fake sort of binary -- try editing it with vi and then try
opening your database with the spfile... but first make an init.ora
copy of it.

There is some sort of checksum going on, even though it looks like
ASCII

--- Jamadagni, Rajendra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 it isn't binary on solaris ... pure text ...
 
 Raj
 
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 sync with INIT.ORA ?)
 
 
 I can definitely appreciate the benefits of dynamic parameters, and
 of being
 able to persist the values of those parameters accross
 shutdown/startup
 cycles.  But I would have guessed that oracle could have gotten both
 of
 those features together without going to a binary parameter
 file--couldn't
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 instead?  Does anybody know what the advantage of having a binary
 store of
 params is?
 
 Cheers,
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Another OCP slant...

2003-07-17 Thread Denham Eva
Hello Folks,

I have discovered something *very* disturbing. We have a person(x2) who has
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These two don't have any clue, about database issues, when pressed to how
they did it, it came out that they used the threads on a website called
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Beyond the ethical implications and all the other issues. 
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RE: Oracle Instances not starting up via services

2003-07-17 Thread Nuala Cullen
Hi Jose,

I've tried twice to send you the information but the mailing list has
decided that it contains a 'virus signature' and rejects the email.

So can you let me know specially what you are looking for and I will send
you those values.

Thanks,
N.

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:-
:-
:-Nuala...
:-
:-1.- can you send your environment variables? (my_pc -
:-properties - advanced - environment variables)
:-
:-2.- can you send your Oracle registry values?
:-
:-JL
:-
: Nuala Cullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:-
:- Hi Jared,
:-
:- Thanks for the advice,
:-
:- I checked out the registry settings
:- ORA_WMS_PFILE is set to
:- c:\oracle\ora81\database\initwms.ora.
:- ORA_WMS_AUTOSTART is set to TRUE.
:-
:- I'm a bit confused what you mean by using variables.
:- I think you mean not to use %oracle_home% etc but
:- the error message:
:-
:- LRM-00109 can not open parameter file
:- '%oracle_home%/database/init%oracle_sid%.ora
:- is as it appeared on the screen.
:-
:- N.
:-
:-
:- :--Original Message-
:- :-From: Jared Still [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
:- :-Sent: 16 July 2003 14:31
:- :-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nuala Cullen
:- :-Subject: Re: Oracle Instances not starting up via
:- services
:- :-
:- :-
:- :-
:- :-Check the registry entry ORA_SID_PFILE.  Try
:- hardcoding
:- :-the entire path rather than use variables.
:- :-
:- :-ie. ORA_WMS_PFILE would be set to
:- :-c:\oracle\ora81\database\initwms.ora.
:- :-
:- :-Be sure ORA_WMS_AUTOSTART is set to TRUE.
:- :-
:- :-Jared
:- :-
:- :-
:- :-On Wednesday 16 July 2003 04:24, Nuala Cullen
:- wrote:
:- :- Hi All,
:- :-
:- :- I have inherited a couple of databases on one
:- of the
:- :-servers here. The
:- :- server was taken down for hardware repairs
:- during the week
:- :-and when it came
:- :- back up the databases did not start. (They are
:- set to
:- :-start automatically
:- :- via the services)
:- :-
:- :- I have done some research via the internet and
:- I deleted
:- :-and recreated the
:- :- service via the ORADIM utility.
:- :-
:- :- But this has n't fixed it. I have to manually
:- go into and start the
:- :- databases (explicitly stating where the
:- init.ora file is)
:- :-
:- :- I am getting this error message when I go in
:- via SQLPLUS
:- :-/NOLOG (connected
:- :- as internal)
:- :-
:- :- Startup
:- :- error message LRM-00109 can not open parameter
:- file
:- :- '%oracle_home%/database/init%oracle_sid%.ora
:- :-
:- :- If I do a startup
:- :-pfile=c:\oracle\ora81\database\initwms.ora it
:- starts as
:- :- normal.
:- :-
:- :- I've checked that the oracle home is defined as
:- :-c:\oracle\ora81 so I am
:- :- beginning to suspect it has something to do
:- with the oracle sid.
:- :- In registry the  ora_wms_pfile location is set
:- to
:- :- c:\oracle\ora8\database\initwms.ora
:- :-
:- :- We have 4 different instances on this box and
:- none of them
:- :-will start
:- :- automatically.
:- :- Oracle version 8.1.7 running on a Windows
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:- :- Any help appreciated,
:- :-
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RE: enterprise manager

2003-07-17 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
If this is a new installation...

Try in the login dialog box:

sysman
oem_temp (or the pwd you specified for OEM when you installed it, if it
prompted you to change the default)
[put the fqdn of your OMS Host here]

Patrice.

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When you say start the enterprise manager console and try to login as sys
do you mean that the EM console login box that prompts for username, pwd and
management server you enter sys as the user?
If so, you need to enter an EM username  password rather than a DB username
/ password.

Also, in the Management server prompt you would normally enter a computer
name rather than database name.

To help us with more information - are you hoping to have the repository,
OMS and console all on server

As others have said - is the OMS service actually running.

Sorry if this is on the wrong track.

HTH,
Bruce Reardon

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Sent: Thursday, 17 July 2003 3:45 AM

Martin,

I am wondering if the OMS is running at all...

oemctl status oms on UNIX or check the services applet if you are in
Windows.


Patrice.

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 1:20 PM

the problem is you're trying to use enterprise mangler

:P

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:50 AM

Check:

drive:\ORACLE_HOME\sysman\log

review the oms.log file... and send the details...

HTH
JL

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  hi
  i run ora8 on w2000 server.
  my problem is i can ping my database mydb without
 problems
  i can login with sqlplus as sys and it works fine
  but if i start the enterprise manager console and
 try to login as sys
  a error occours and means please check the
 management server status and
  settings.
  as managementserver i select mydb.
  what ican be the problem?
  thx
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Re:

2003-07-17 Thread Nuno Souto
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 help

aren't you beyond help?  :D

Cheers
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Re: Re: Object Types in PL/SQL

2003-07-17 Thread Nuno Souto
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 how does the object features improve performance of the jdbc? its fairly
common now to have a java or .net(which we are using) and an Oracle backend.


When we started to use JDBC, one of the things I noticed
was some very unusual network traffic.  Certainly more than I
was expecting given the level of statements being executed.
A few traces showed a lot of traffic by JDBC driver itself
trying to find information about the parameters involved
in a ExecutableStatement.  I believe this is specific to JDBC 2
and its new MetaData functionality, but I don't know for sure.

A little bit of experimentation showed that if we created
an object type definition for each table involved in
our procedures and used the object type to pass the
parameters (each parameter is a column) to the stored procedures,
the network traffic dropped dramatically.

Now we use a package for each table with an object type
matching the table columns used as the single parameter
to each function/procedure.  Each package has as a minimum
a MNG_table and a DEL_table procedure, with the first
one handling both INSERT and UPDATE (depending if PK is
set to NULL or not).  We also write getters to access the data,
returning a REF CURSOR typed on the same object type.

This is not only blinding fast but the network traffic
is negligeable.


 your comments would be much appreciated.

Not really comments, just the experience so far.  It might
change in the next version.  So far it seems to work like
a charm, so we're sticking with it.  The next step is to get
a few of the hierarchical accesses done via O-R views returning
a single object with an array for the child object types.
First trials seem very promising, but I have to wait for the 9i
upgrade:  8i lets me do only one level of hierarchical object.

After that, it's XML all the way through!  If the customer
doesn't kick us all out b4...  ;)

Cheers
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RE: RAC or Oracle Fail Safe

2003-07-17 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
One other note is that we have not had to failover due to a Win2K of Oracle
problem in 18 months of running failsafe. We have found it to be extremely
stable just not scalable froma CPU standpoint.

I totally agree with this.  I am running FailSafe here also.  The *only*
failover's I experience is when the morons running the data center install
software on the primary server and reboot the box.  Failsafe brings the DB
up on the other box without any problems.  Works great.

Tom Mercadante
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FailSafe comes with  EE and works very well. It might even come with SE but
I am not sure. Our
production environment fails over in less than 2 minutes. It is much simpler
to set up ( ie no
SAN, raw devices or OCFS) and a heck of a lotr cheaper ( 20K$ / CPU for RAC
). One other
note is that we have not had to failover due to a Win2K of Oracle problem in
18 months of running
failsafe. We have found it to be extremely stable just not scalable froma
CPU standpoint.

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Hello all,

We have setup a Microsoft Cluster Server (MSCS) cluster, with two nodes,
using W2K, and now are in the process of deploying Oracle 9i on it. For the
purpose of high availability (HA), we are deliberating on setting up either
RAC or Oracle Fail Safe. The confusion is over the fact that if we get HA
with oracle Fail Safe, i.e. if one node is down due to any problem, then the
other takes over, then can we do without RAC?
Which of these two is more transparent to the user, i.e. which will take
less time to shift the load from one node (server) to the other node?
Can any one explain the benefits of using RAC over Oracle Fail Safe, or vice
versa.

Regards,

Hussain

DBA SKMCHRC

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Re: unlocking objects

2003-07-17 Thread rgaffuri
if the session is in 'KILLED' status it is rolling back the transaction.

you have to wait for this to finish. it can take a while. 
 
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 Subject: unlocking objects 
 
 Hi Gurus,
 
  
 
 One of my object is locked. How do I unlock that object explicitly ?
 
 The session is already killed, but still the object appears in locked
 status.
 
  
 
 Thanks in advance
 
  
 
 With Warm Regards
 
   _  
 
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Hi Gurus,



One of my object is locked. How do I
unlock that object explicitly ?

The session is already killed, but still
the object appears in locked status.



Thanks in advance





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RE: Another OCP slant...

2003-07-17 Thread Stefick Ronald S Contr ESC/HRIDD
Title: RE: Another OCP slant...





No, I sat through thte Oracle Education Classes and studied from the books given in the class. They make for great reference books now as well.

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Hello Folks,


I have discovered something *very* disturbing. We have a person(x2) who has earned their MCDBA - Microsoft DBA certifiction. These two don't have any clue, about database issues, when pressed to how they did it, it came out that they used the threads on a website called www.braindumps.com Beyond the ethical implications and all the other issues. 

Has anyone on this list used the tips/suggestions to study for their OCP exams? Are they any good as an aid?


Regards
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RE: Another OCP slant...

2003-07-17 Thread April Wells
Title: RE: Another OCP slant...



for 8 and 8i, I used the Exam cram books and the Osborne book for 
8i.Took all of the 8 OCP tests and the upgradetest in 8 
weeks.

April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas 
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DBMS_REPAIR Package

2003-07-17 Thread Stefick Ronald S Contr ESC/HRIDD
Title: Message




Hasanyone ever used DBMS_REPAIR? If so, what do you 
think of it, does the DB have to be shutdown to run it. Does it really fix any 
corrupt blocks in the datafiles? 
We ran DBVerify 
andfoundseveral corrupt 
DB files in one of our DB's. 

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Re: sqlldr questions

2003-07-17 Thread Kirtikumar Deshpande
An excellent book for SQL Loader new comers, and experienced users as well, is one by 
Jonathan
Gennick and Sanjay Mishra : Oracle SQL Loader, The definitive Guide, by O'Reilly. 
 
Stenphen Andert will agree with me ;) 

- Kirti 

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 load.
 
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Re: Re: sqlldr questions

2003-07-17 Thread rgaffuri
i read this last year. correct me if im wrong, but it didnt seem to have much more 
than was on otn? just explained slightly differently with a slightly more depth. 
 
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 Stenphen Andert will agree with me ;) 
 
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OUI download

2003-07-17 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
Is there another location for downloads?  (I don't think there is...)

I am looking for a simple package that installs the Oracle Universal
Installer, nothing fancy.

begin rant
I don't understand why they don't have that under Software Downloads, they
have one page that lists all the ODBC drivers, why not do this for the
Installer.

/end rand

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Re: sqlldr questions

2003-07-17 Thread Don Yu
Please look the following text, which works fine everyday for loading my data into 
oracle 9.2
database.

$ORACLE_HOME/bin/sqlldr USERID=your_username/[EMAIL PROTECTED] control=link-summary.ctl
log=link-summary.log

$ more link-summary.ctl
options (rows=9297500, errors=2, bindsize=100, readsize=100)
LOAD DATA
INFILE '/tmp/log_file_parsing_output.dat'
truncate
INTO TABLE access_summary
FIELDS TERMINATED BY ' '
(CLIENT_IP char(100),  ACCESS_DATE char(9), URL char(400))

This is my application. You need to change file name, file path, and table name and 
its column
name as well. Hope it can help you.

Don



Kirtikumar Deshpande wrote:

 An excellent book for SQL Loader new comers, and experienced users as well, is one 
 by Jonathan
 Gennick and Sanjay Mishra : Oracle SQL Loader, The definitive Guide, by O'Reilly.

 Stenphen Andert will agree with me ;)

 - Kirti

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RE: DBMS_REPAIR Package

2003-07-17 Thread Stefick Ronald S Contr ESC/HRIDD
Title: Message




I dug a little more and found my 
answer.I found that 
Oracle uses DBMS_REPAIR just to put a band-aid on the corrupt blocks. It 
basically identifies the corrupt block and marks it so oracle skips over it like 
it's not even there.



  
  -Original Message-From: Stefick Ronald S 
  Contr ESC/HRIDD Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:55 AMTo: 
  Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: DBMS_REPAIR 
  Package
  
  Hasanyone ever used DBMS_REPAIR? If so, what do 
  you think of it, does the DB have to be shutdown to run it. Does it really fix 
  any corrupt blocks in the datafiles? 
  We ran DBVerify 
  andfoundseveral 
  corrupt DB files in one of our DB's. 
  
  TIA,
  Scott Stefick MILPDS OCP Oracle DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED]210-565-2540 
  
  



RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make SPFILE in

2003-07-17 Thread Stephen Lee

I wonder if it is something built into the file or something that vi (or
whatever editor you are using) does to the file when you save it.  I say
that because, if you edit the text part of an export file with vi, you get
an unusable file.  But the text part of an export file can be edited by
other means and it will work -- for example, by running it through a C or
Perl program and editing the stream as it flows through the program; and I
think, if the export file is not too big ( 2 gig I think ) emacs (with
certain options??) can be used.

The official word in the 9i new features class at the ivory tower in
Colorado Springs is that all the new features are wonderful, and you should
be using them.

 -Original Message-
 
 it's a fake sort of binary -- try editing it with vi and then try
 opening your database with the spfile... but first make an init.ora
 copy of it.
 
 There is some sort of checksum going on, even though it looks like
 ASCII
 
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RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make SPFILE in

2003-07-17 Thread Thomas Day

My experience also on Win2K.  9.2.0.1.0 the file is editable.  On 9.2.0.3.0
results are unpredictable if you edit the file.  I guess that they really
don't want us editing it.


   

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Keeping them binary gives them power I guses...
On most platforms there is just a hashed value on the first line.

In 9i R1 (9.0.1), I was able to replace some param value without changing
number of chars on the
line, and the changes were taken without any problem (HP-UX 11, it was I
think). Could not believe
that it worked. No such luck in 9i R2...

Binary, text, whatever, I will just stay away from him till pfile really
goes away :)

- Kirti

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 sync with INIT.ORA ?)


 I can definitely appreciate the benefits of dynamic parameters, and of
being
 able to persist the values of those parameters accross shutdown/startup
 cycles.  But I would have guessed that oracle could have gotten both of
 those features together without going to a binary parameter
file--couldn't
 whatever process writes to the spfile just write to a plain text file
 instead?  Does anybody know what the advantage of having a binary store
of
 params is?

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Re: RE: DBMS_REPAIR Package

2003-07-17 Thread rgaffuri
are there any practical uses for dbms_repair? or is it just a stop gap measure to use 
if your not able to do a recovery at that time? 
 
 From: Stefick Ronald S Contr ESC/HRIDD [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2003/07/17 Thu AM 10:39:24 EDT
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: DBMS_REPAIR Package
 
 I dug a little more and found my answer.  I found that Oracle uses
 DBMS_REPAIR just to put a band-aid on the corrupt blocks. It basically
 identifies the corrupt block and marks it so oracle skips over it like it's
 not even there.
 
  
 
  
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:55 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 
 Has anyone ever used DBMS_REPAIR? If so, what do you think of it, does the
 DB have to be shutdown to run it. Does it really fix any corrupt blocks in
 the datafiles?  We ran DBVerify and found several corrupt DB files in one of
 our DB's. 
 
  
 
 TIA,
 
 Scott Stefick 
 MILPDS OCP Oracle DBA 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 210-565-2540 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Message




I dug a little more and found my 
answer.I found that 
Oracle uses DBMS_REPAIR just to put a band-aid on the corrupt blocks. It 
basically identifies the corrupt block and marks it so oracle skips over it like 
it's not even there.



  
  -Original Message-From: Stefick Ronald S 
  Contr ESC/HRIDD Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:55 AMTo: 
  Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: DBMS_REPAIR 
  Package
  
  Hasanyone ever used DBMS_REPAIR? If so, what do 
  you think of it, does the DB have to be shutdown to run it. Does it really fix 
  any corrupt blocks in the datafiles? 
  We ran DBVerify 
  andfoundseveral 
  corrupt DB files in one of our DB's. 
  
  TIA,
  Scott Stefick MILPDS OCP Oracle DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED]210-565-2540 
  
  




Re: DBMS_REPAIR Package

2003-07-17 Thread Richard Foote
Title: Message



Hi Stefick,

Running stored procedures/packages is somewhat 
difficult with a shutdown database, so the database needs to be 
opened.

Depending on the type of corrupted block in 
question answers whether or not the block is actually repaired (eg. bitmap block 
in ASSM segments, freelist blocks...) or simply marked as corrupt and thus could 
be made "skippable" meaning that your FTS will now work and skip the stuffed 
buggers.

That said, I would recommend restoring you stuffed 
datafile, perform a database recovery and hope the corruption wasn't duplicated 
in your backup(s). dbms_repair should be used if all else fails (or you don't 
really mind losing that "bit" of your database).

Good Luck

Richard Foote

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Stefick Ronald S Contr 
  ESC/HRIDD 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:54 
  PM
  Subject: DBMS_REPAIR Package
  
  
  Hasanyone ever used DBMS_REPAIR? If so, what do 
  you think of it, does the DB have to be shutdown to run it. Does it really fix 
  any corrupt blocks in the datafiles? 
  We ran DBVerify 
  andfoundseveral 
  corrupt DB files in one of our DB's. 
  
  TIA,
  Scott Stefick MILPDS OCP Oracle DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED]210-565-2540 
  
  



RE: faq broke?

2003-07-17 Thread Luis deUrioste
Seems to be Broke 

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Re: How to make SPFILE in sync with INIT.ORA ?

2003-07-17 Thread Don Yu
Hi,

I really need some helps to configure my database with audit_trail option. I
have tried some but fail so far. My database is Oracle 9.2. I have read all
email related to spfile. Can somebody provides simple steps for me to update my
specified initialization parameter in init.ora?
(1) Manually change the initialization parameter, e.g. audit_trail = db in
init.ora. How to sync it when re-start Oracle database?
(2) Can I change the audit_trail = db initialization parameters in init.ora
on-line?

Any comments are appreciated!
Many thanks!

Don



Arup Nanda wrote:

 The ability to change the system parameters without bouncing the system is
 not provided by spfile, neither in RAC nor single instance databas. It
 depends upon the the parameter that can be changed dynamically or not.

 I guess you wanted to convey the impression that the using spfiles the
 parameters can be changed and the changes can be persistent across
 shutdowns. But that is not just in RAC; it's true for single instance DBs,
 too.

 Now, suppose you want to set a parameter that can't be changed using ALTER
 SYSTEM, such as, say, java_pool_size. How do you plan to make the change?
 You have to open up the old favorite init.ora file and start the database
 with pfile=init.ora option. At that stage the spfile is not active and your
 issuing Alter system set db_cache_size = 800m scope = [ memory | spfile |
 both ] sid = * has no effect. You must create the spfile from the pfile and
 then use the newly created spfile to use this dynamic parameter
 persistent. Note the complexity involved - spfile allowed you to make the
 changes to some parmeters using alter system persistent; but for all other
 parametrs you are forced to use pfile. What happens if you ommit the
 pfile=init.ora clause? The database will pickup the spfile, which will _not_
 have your changes.

 To fully appreciate the value of the spfile parameter, Oracle should have
 allowed editing spfile directly and completely done away with pfile.
 Splitting functionality across two different implementations adds to
 difficulties, does not resolve them. I hope future versions of Oracle do
 offer that functionality. It's not that difficult or unheard of, either.
 Listener.ora, tnsnames.ora are all editable and also read by Net Assistant.

 just my .02

 Arup Nanda

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 Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:09 PM

  Spfile is shared and can be modified dynamically without bouncing the
  instances.
 
  Eg. Alter system set db_cache_size = 800m scope = [ memory | spfile |
 both ]
  sid = *
 
  Without spfile, you can still make this change dynamically in memory, but
  you would have to manually update init.ora file to reflect your change.
  Spfile allows you to automatically capture these dynamic changes.
 
  Gerardo
 
  -Original Message-
  Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 4:45 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  And how, exactly?
 
  - Original Message -
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:29 PM
 
 
   You'll appreciate spfiles if you're using RAC.
  
   -Original Message-
   Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:09 PM
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
   And create pfile from spfile; does a similar job.
  
   I'm rapidly beginning to think that spfiles are just not worth it. Now
   how to reverse the policy decision having mandated them for 9i
   installs :(
  
   Niall
  
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Of Arup Nanda
Sent: 15 July 2003 04:44
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: How to make SPFILE in sync with INIT.ORA ?
   
   
As user sys, issue
   
CREATE SPFILE FROM PFILE;
   
This will create the spfile. You must have started the database
using the pfile to use this command.
   
HTH.
   
Arup Nanda
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:59 PM
   
   
 Guys,

 i have a 9iR2/win2k test instance.
 i just renamed CONTROL01.CTL once and tried to start the instance.

 SQLstartup
 But it gave a ORA-00205 error.

 so i removed CONTROL01.CTL  from INIT.ORA file and started the
 instance
 SQLstartup pfile='d:\oracle\admin\pe92\pfile\init.ora'
 Now it worked fine.

 BUT:
 SQLstartup
 This is not possible because the SPFILE still has
CONTROL01.CTL in it.

 How do i make my SPFILE in sync with the INIT.ORA ?

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RE: faq broke?

2003-07-17 Thread Craig Healey
Worked fine for me just now.

What are you searching on?

Craig Healey

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RE: Oracle Instances not starting up via services

2003-07-17 Thread Jose Luis Delgado
Hi Nuala...!

I'm almost sure that your problem is with environment
variables... they usually are taken from the registry
or defined on my_pc's properties...

That's why I would like to know that values...

can you send them to the list?

HTH
JL

--- Nuala Cullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Jose,
 
 I've tried twice to send you the information but the
 mailing list has
 decided that it contains a 'virus signature' and
 rejects the email.
 
 So can you let me know specially what you are
 looking for and I will send
 you those values.
 
 Thanks,
 N.
 
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 :-Behalf Of
 :-Jose Luis Delgado
 :-Sent: 16 July 2003 16:49
 :-To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 :-Subject: RE: Oracle Instances not starting up via
 services
 :-
 :-
 :-Nuala...
 :-
 :-1.- can you send your environment variables?
 (my_pc -
 :-properties - advanced - environment variables)
 :-
 :-2.- can you send your Oracle registry values?
 :-
 :-JL
 :-
 : Nuala Cullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 :-
 :- Hi Jared,
 :-
 :- Thanks for the advice,
 :-
 :- I checked out the registry settings
 :- ORA_WMS_PFILE is set to
 :- c:\oracle\ora81\database\initwms.ora.
 :- ORA_WMS_AUTOSTART is set to TRUE.
 :-
 :- I'm a bit confused what you mean by using
 variables.
 :- I think you mean not to use %oracle_home% etc
 but
 :- the error message:
 :-
 :- LRM-00109 can not open parameter file
 :- '%oracle_home%/database/init%oracle_sid%.ora
 :- is as it appeared on the screen.
 :-
 :- N.
 :-
 :-
 :- :--Original Message-
 :- :-From: Jared Still
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 :- :-Sent: 16 July 2003 14:31
 :- :-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nuala Cullen
 :- :-Subject: Re: Oracle Instances not starting
 up via
 :- services
 :- :-
 :- :-
 :- :-
 :- :-Check the registry entry ORA_SID_PFILE. 
 Try
 :- hardcoding
 :- :-the entire path rather than use variables.
 :- :-
 :- :-ie. ORA_WMS_PFILE would be set to
 :- :-c:\oracle\ora81\database\initwms.ora.
 :- :-
 :- :-Be sure ORA_WMS_AUTOSTART is set to TRUE.
 :- :-
 :- :-Jared
 :- :-
 :- :-
 :- :-On Wednesday 16 July 2003 04:24, Nuala
 Cullen
 :- wrote:
 :- :- Hi All,
 :- :-
 :- :- I have inherited a couple of databases on
 one
 :- of the
 :- :-servers here. The
 :- :- server was taken down for hardware repairs
 :- during the week
 :- :-and when it came
 :- :- back up the databases did not start. (They
 are
 :- set to
 :- :-start automatically
 :- :- via the services)
 :- :-
 :- :- I have done some research via the internet
 and
 :- I deleted
 :- :-and recreated the
 :- :- service via the ORADIM utility.
 :- :-
 :- :- But this has n't fixed it. I have to
 manually
 :- go into and start the
 :- :- databases (explicitly stating where the
 :- init.ora file is)
 :- :-
 :- :- I am getting this error message when I go
 in
 :- via SQLPLUS
 :- :-/NOLOG (connected
 :- :- as internal)
 :- :-
 :- :- Startup
 :- :- error message LRM-00109 can not open
 parameter
 :- file
 :- :-
 '%oracle_home%/database/init%oracle_sid%.ora
 :- :-
 :- :- If I do a startup
 :- :-pfile=c:\oracle\ora81\database\initwms.ora
 it
 :- starts as
 :- :- normal.
 :- :-
 :- :- I've checked that the oracle home is
 defined as
 :- :-c:\oracle\ora81 so I am
 :- :- beginning to suspect it has something to
 do
 :- with the oracle sid.
 :- :- In registry the  ora_wms_pfile location is
 set
 :- to
 :- :- c:\oracle\ora8\database\initwms.ora
 :- :-
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RE:

2003-07-17 Thread Gogala, Mladen



Correction:
Blessed are the cheesemakers, for they shall be called 
the sons of God.
Blessed are the Greek, for they shall inherit the 
Earth.

Comment:
It's 
obviously deeper then just the cheese makers, it is referring to 
all
manufacturers of the dairy 
products.

Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 
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  -Original Message-From: Gogala, Mladen 
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  Blessed are the cheesemakers, because they shall rule 
  the Kingdom of God. Blessed
  are 
  the Greek, because they shall inherit the Earth. Hope this helps 
  you.
  
  Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 
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help


RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make SPFILE in

2003-07-17 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make SPFILE in





Hey,


don't blame oracle for that ... did you complain to Microsoft when they created that Registry hive cr*p ?? Oracle is stepping on the same line ...

Lemmings ...


g
Raj

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My experience also on Win2K. 9.2.0.1.0 the file is editable. On 9.2.0.3.0
results are unpredictable if you edit the file. I guess that they really
don't want us editing it.



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RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make SPFILE in

2003-07-17 Thread Richard Ji
That's a good point.  Someone should try a binary editor instead,
like bvi and see what happens.

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I wonder if it is something built into the file or something that vi (or
whatever editor you are using) does to the file when you save it.  I say
that because, if you edit the text part of an export file with vi, you get
an unusable file.  But the text part of an export file can be edited by
other means and it will work -- for example, by running it through a C or
Perl program and editing the stream as it flows through the program; and I
think, if the export file is not too big ( 2 gig I think ) emacs (with
certain options??) can be used.

The official word in the 9i new features class at the ivory tower in
Colorado Springs is that all the new features are wonderful, and you should
be using them.

 -Original Message-
 
 it's a fake sort of binary -- try editing it with vi and then try
 opening your database with the spfile... but first make an init.ora
 copy of it.
 
 There is some sort of checksum going on, even though it looks like
 ASCII
 
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Re: How to make SPFILE in sync with INIT.ORA ?

2003-07-17 Thread Arup Nanda
Well, I thought I answered your question earlier. Here are the steps, in
more detail.

I assume your database instance name is ORCL; replace with the actual.

(1) With your database open, issue a command as sys
SQL create pfile from spfile.
(2) Go to the directory $ORACLE_HOME/dbs and make sue the timestamp of teh
file initORCL.ora file is now.
(3) Open the file and place the line audit_trail=db, if not already there.
(4) Shutdown the database.
(5) Restart
SQL startup pfile=$ORACLE_HOME/dbs/initORCL.ora
(6) Make sure the audit trail is set.
SQL show parameter audit_trail.
(7) resynch the SPfile.
SQL create spfile from pfile;
(8) And, please let us know here if they worked. If any error occurs, copy
and paste the error here.

HTH.

Arup Nanda


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 Hi,

 I really need some helps to configure my database with audit_trail option.
I
 have tried some but fail so far. My database is Oracle 9.2. I have read
all
 email related to spfile. Can somebody provides simple steps for me to
update my
 specified initialization parameter in init.ora?
 (1) Manually change the initialization parameter, e.g. audit_trail = db in
 init.ora. How to sync it when re-start Oracle database?
 (2) Can I change the audit_trail = db initialization parameters in
init.ora
 on-line?

 Any comments are appreciated!
 Many thanks!

 Don



 Arup Nanda wrote:

  The ability to change the system parameters without bouncing the system
is
  not provided by spfile, neither in RAC nor single instance databas. It
  depends upon the the parameter that can be changed dynamically or not.
 
  I guess you wanted to convey the impression that the using spfiles the
  parameters can be changed and the changes can be persistent across
  shutdowns. But that is not just in RAC; it's true for single instance
DBs,
  too.
 
  Now, suppose you want to set a parameter that can't be changed using
ALTER
  SYSTEM, such as, say, java_pool_size. How do you plan to make the
change?
  You have to open up the old favorite init.ora file and start the
database
  with pfile=init.ora option. At that stage the spfile is not active and
your
  issuing Alter system set db_cache_size = 800m scope = [ memory | spfile
|
  both ] sid = * has no effect. You must create the spfile from the pfile
and
  then use the newly created spfile to use this dynamic parameter
  persistent. Note the complexity involved - spfile allowed you to make
the
  changes to some parmeters using alter system persistent; but for all
other
  parametrs you are forced to use pfile. What happens if you ommit the
  pfile=init.ora clause? The database will pickup the spfile, which will
_not_
  have your changes.
 
  To fully appreciate the value of the spfile parameter, Oracle should
have
  allowed editing spfile directly and completely done away with pfile.
  Splitting functionality across two different implementations adds to
  difficulties, does not resolve them. I hope future versions of Oracle do
  offer that functionality. It's not that difficult or unheard of, either.
  Listener.ora, tnsnames.ora are all editable and also read by Net
Assistant.
 
  just my .02
 
  Arup Nanda
 
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   Spfile is shared and can be modified dynamically without bouncing the
   instances.
  
   Eg. Alter system set db_cache_size = 800m scope = [ memory | spfile |
  both ]
   sid = *
  
   Without spfile, you can still make this change dynamically in memory,
but
   you would have to manually update init.ora file to reflect your
change.
   Spfile allows you to automatically capture these dynamic changes.
  
   Gerardo
  
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   Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 4:45 PM
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
   And how, exactly?
  
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You'll appreciate spfiles if you're using RAC.
   
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And create pfile from spfile; does a similar job.
   
I'm rapidly beginning to think that spfiles are just not worth it.
Now
how to reverse the policy decision having mandated them for 9i
installs :(
   
Niall
   
 -Original Message-
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 Subject: Re: How to make SPFILE in sync with INIT.ORA ?


 As user sys, issue

 CREATE SPFILE FROM PFILE;

 This will create the spfile. You must have started the database
 using the pfile to use this command.

 HTH.

 Arup Nanda
 - 

RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make SPFILE in

2003-07-17 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make SPFILE in





Questin is why do you want to mess with it? That's not exactly my idea of fun ...


I'd still use alter system, alter database commands to change whatever.
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That's a good point. Someone should try a binary editor instead,
like bvi and see what happens.


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I wonder if it is something built into the file or something that vi (or
whatever editor you are using) does to the file when you save it. I say
that because, if you edit the text part of an export file with vi, you get
an unusable file. But the text part of an export file can be edited by
other means and it will work -- for example, by running it through a C or
Perl program and editing the stream as it flows through the program; and I
think, if the export file is not too big ( 2 gig I think ) emacs (with
certain options??) can be used.


The official word in the 9i new features class at the ivory tower in
Colorado Springs is that all the new features are wonderful, and you should
be using them.


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 it's a fake sort of binary -- try editing it with vi and then try
 opening your database with the spfile... but first make an init.ora
 copy of it.
 
 There is some sort of checksum going on, even though it looks like
 ASCII
 
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RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make SPFILE in

2003-07-17 Thread Gogala, Mladen
Why would you want to do that? You can always re-create the file
from your PFILE. Oracle should have encrypted it.

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That's a good point.  Someone should try a binary editor instead,
like bvi and see what happens.

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I wonder if it is something built into the file or something that vi (or
whatever editor you are using) does to the file when you save it.  I say
that because, if you edit the text part of an export file with vi, you get
an unusable file.  But the text part of an export file can be edited by
other means and it will work -- for example, by running it through a C or
Perl program and editing the stream as it flows through the program; and I
think, if the export file is not too big ( 2 gig I think ) emacs (with
certain options??) can be used.

The official word in the 9i new features class at the ivory tower in
Colorado Springs is that all the new features are wonderful, and you should
be using them.

 -Original Message-
 
 it's a fake sort of binary -- try editing it with vi and then try
 opening your database with the spfile... but first make an init.ora
 copy of it.
 
 There is some sort of checksum going on, even though it looks like
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RE: faq broke?

2003-07-17 Thread Barbara Baker
Happens on every query I give it.  I'm looking for
   oraus.msb
   oci calls
   translate oci messages
   lseek

error seems to be specific to oracle-l messages;
others come up.

I've forwarded a message to the webmaster

Barb


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 What are you searching on?
 
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  Is it just me, or . . .
  
  I have not been able to search the faq archives
 all
  week (www.orfaq.net).
  
  When I find a match and try to open it, I get a
  message Our apologies.  The page you are looking
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  might have been removed, had its name changed, or
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  Is it just me, or are others having problems?
  
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Re: OUI download

2003-07-17 Thread Simon . Anderson
I think it's patch 2878462 for the OUI placeholder for the latest version - Metalink 
patch 
search, by patch number.

 They don't make it easy to find...

Cheers
Simon Anderson




Is there another location for downloads?  (I don't think there is...)

I am looking for a simple package that installs the Oracle Universal
Installer, nothing fancy.

begin rant
I don't understand why they don't have that under Software Downloads, they
have one page that lists all the ODBC drivers, why not do this for the
Installer.

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RE:

2003-07-17 Thread Jesse, Rich



Oh it's the *Meek*...blessed are the 
Meek! That's nice, I'm gladthey're getting something, 'cause they 
have a hell of a time.

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  Correction:
  Blessed are the cheesemakers, for they shall be 
  called the sons of God.
  Blessed are the Greek, for they shall inherit the 
  Earth.
  
  Comment:
  It's 
  obviously deeper then just the cheese makers, it is referring to 
  all
  manufacturers of the dairy 
  products.


RE: faq broke?

2003-07-17 Thread Craig Healey
 
 
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OK, now it's stopped working! At least I know I didn't break it :-)

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IOT

2003-07-17 Thread Gurelei
Hi all:

I'm condsidering creating an IO table in Oracle9.
It is a small table with 2 columns and has a composite

index so I thought that an IO table would make sence.
Do they have any disadvantages I should be aware of?
What I read on OTN site didn't mention any. 

thanks

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x server

2003-07-17 Thread AK



is there any free x server (unlimited ) software for windows 
2000?

-ak


RE: [PMX:#] RE: Find the table's name that using sequences

2003-07-17 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: [PMX:#] RE: Find the table's name that using sequences





Very True ...


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From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:25 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: [PMX:#] RE: Find the table's name that using sequences



this doesn't take into account external code that uses the sequence


there is no way to know for certain which sequence is being used to
generate values for which table. Even if you have multiple sequences,
you can't force a programmer to use the sequence you have designated as
the one for that particular table



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 I'd check dependencies of the sequence, you'll know what
 procedures,functions,packages,triggers that sue the sequence.
 
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Log oracle error to Apache log instead of web page

2003-07-17 Thread Liu, Jack



Hi,How can I make those error messages display 
in the Apache error log instead of displaying them in the end user web. Which 
config file should I change?Thanks,

Jack



RE: x server

2003-07-17 Thread Richard Ji



check 
out cygwin.

  -Original Message-From: AK 
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  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: x 
  server
  is there any free x server (unlimited ) software for windows 
  2000?
  
  -ak


RE:

2003-07-17 Thread Odland, Brad



How do 
you catch a humble individual?

You 
meek up on them...

  -Original Message-From: Jesse, Rich Sent: 
  Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:44 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: RE: 
  Oh it's the *Meek*...blessed are 
  the Meek! That's nice, I'm gladthey're getting something, 'cause 
  they have a hell of a time.
  
-Original Message-From: Gogala, Mladen 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:44 
AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: 

Correction:
Blessed are the cheesemakers, for they shall be 
called the sons of God.
Blessed are the Greek, for they shall inherit the 
Earth.

Comment:
It's obviously deeper then just the cheese makers, 
it is referring to all
manufacturers of the dairy 
products.


Re: Another OCP slant...

2003-07-17 Thread Jonathan Gennick
Thursday, July 17, 2003, 6:34:26 AM, you wrote:
DE Beyond the ethical implications and all the other issues. 
DE Has anyone on this list used the tips/suggestions to study for their OCP
DE exams? Are they any good as an aid?

I've never used any of the braindum.com type web sites, nor
have I bothered with any of the exam-focused books. Mostly I
read manuals and experiment with new features. It helps that
I'm often writing about those new features, because writing
forces me to learn.

The one exception is that at the OracleWorld after 9i was
released, Oracle themselves offered an exam-cram class for
the Oracle9i upgrade exam. I sat through one or two sessions
of that class--I couldn't be there for all of them--and then
took the exam. It was a close call. Probably I would not
have passed without having attended Oracle's cram-session.

Back in the Oracle7 days I put off and put off taking the
exams because I never felt ready. (Do you ever really feel
ready?) Finally, one day, I kicked myself in the rear and
signed up for all four exams in one go. I passed three and
flunked one, but while failing that one exam I also picked
up a good idea of what it was that I needed to go learn in
order to pass it the next time. That's been my basic
approach ever since: try an exam, hope I pass, and if I fail
at least I know what I need to go and learn.

If there is a 10x upgrade exam at OracleWorld this year, you
can bet that, unprepared as I am, I'll sit for it and give
it a go. Perhaps I can be one of the first to fail!

Best regards,

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Re: Security re: default and non-default roles

2003-07-17 Thread Arup Nanda
Leslie,

First make sure they are indeed the default roles.

select * from dba_role_privs where grantee = 'SCOTT'

See the DEFAULT_ROLE column; it should be NO.

Next, after logging in, before SET ROLE, issue  select * from session_roles;
to see the roles that are active now. Should be only the DEFAULT roles. If
you see more, it's possible that one of those roles have default roles. For
instance if DBA is a default role,

select * from dba_role_privs where grantee = 'DBA';

See if any of these are default roles. I suspect you have a second level
role as default which is different from Development.

HTH.

Arup Nanda


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 In an attempt to enhance security, we set up one role which is a default
and
 has only select privileges on tables and another role, with is not
default,
 which has update, insert, delete, as well as select privileges. Our
 application turns on the non-default role via set role.

 This all works just fine in our development database, but not in the test
 database (or production). The symptom is that the non-default role is
 enabled on login to sql*plus, even when it's not supposed to be. Can
anybody
 give me a clue as to where to look to find out what's wrong and fix it?

 TIA,
 Leslie
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Orbitz issue

2003-07-17 Thread rgaffuri
There are some vague and brief news articles on the web stating that Orbitz is down 
and they are blaming Oracle. Anyone with some inside info on what went wrong? 

just curious. i know its probably due to someone at Orbitz making a mistake.

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Re: How to make SPFILE in sync with INIT.ORA ?

2003-07-17 Thread Don Yu
Arup,

Thank you very much. It works fine now. But my Oracle database instance name is
bluejayt not ORCL. See the following message:
$ ps -ef | grep bluejayt
  oracle  5796 1  0 13:01:08 ?0:00 ora_s000_bluejayt
  oracle  5790 1  0 13:01:08 ?0:00 ora_reco_bluejayt
  oracle  5800  5774  0 13:01:13 ?0:03 oraclebluejayt
(DESCRIPTION=(LOCAL=YES)(ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=beq)))
  oracle  5788 1  0 13:01:08 ?0:01 ora_smon_bluejayt
  oracle  5804  5735  0 13:07:17 pts/20:00 grep bluejayt
  oracle  5798 1  0 13:01:08 ?0:00 ora_d000_bluejayt
  oracle  5784 1  0 13:01:08 ?0:00 ora_lgwr_bluejayt
  oracle  5786 1  0 13:01:08 ?0:00 ora_ckpt_bluejayt
  oracle  5794 1  0 13:01:08 ?0:02 ora_qmn0_bluejayt
  oracle  5792 1  0 13:01:08 ?0:00 ora_cjq0_bluejayt
  oracle  5782 1  0 13:01:07 ?0:00 ora_dbw0_bluejayt
  oracle  5780 1  0 13:01:07 ?0:00 ora_pmon_bluejayt

Thank you very much again!


Don


Arup Nanda wrote:

 Well, I thought I answered your question earlier. Here are the steps, in
 more detail.

 I assume your database instance name is ORCL; replace with the actual.

 (1) With your database open, issue a command as sys
 SQL create pfile from spfile.
 (2) Go to the directory $ORACLE_HOME/dbs and make sue the timestamp of teh
 file initORCL.ora file is now.
 (3) Open the file and place the line audit_trail=db, if not already there.
 (4) Shutdown the database.
 (5) Restart
 SQL startup pfile=$ORACLE_HOME/dbs/initORCL.ora
 (6) Make sure the audit trail is set.
 SQL show parameter audit_trail.
 (7) resynch the SPfile.
 SQL create spfile from pfile;
 (8) And, please let us know here if they worked. If any error occurs, copy
 and paste the error here.

 HTH.

 Arup Nanda

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 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:19 AM

  Hi,
 
  I really need some helps to configure my database with audit_trail option.
 I
  have tried some but fail so far. My database is Oracle 9.2. I have read
 all
  email related to spfile. Can somebody provides simple steps for me to
 update my
  specified initialization parameter in init.ora?
  (1) Manually change the initialization parameter, e.g. audit_trail = db in
  init.ora. How to sync it when re-start Oracle database?
  (2) Can I change the audit_trail = db initialization parameters in
 init.ora
  on-line?
 
  Any comments are appreciated!
  Many thanks!
 
  Don
 
 
 
  Arup Nanda wrote:
 
   The ability to change the system parameters without bouncing the system
 is
   not provided by spfile, neither in RAC nor single instance databas. It
   depends upon the the parameter that can be changed dynamically or not.
  
   I guess you wanted to convey the impression that the using spfiles the
   parameters can be changed and the changes can be persistent across
   shutdowns. But that is not just in RAC; it's true for single instance
 DBs,
   too.
  
   Now, suppose you want to set a parameter that can't be changed using
 ALTER
   SYSTEM, such as, say, java_pool_size. How do you plan to make the
 change?
   You have to open up the old favorite init.ora file and start the
 database
   with pfile=init.ora option. At that stage the spfile is not active and
 your
   issuing Alter system set db_cache_size = 800m scope = [ memory | spfile
 |
   both ] sid = * has no effect. You must create the spfile from the pfile
 and
   then use the newly created spfile to use this dynamic parameter
   persistent. Note the complexity involved - spfile allowed you to make
 the
   changes to some parmeters using alter system persistent; but for all
 other
   parametrs you are forced to use pfile. What happens if you ommit the
   pfile=init.ora clause? The database will pickup the spfile, which will
 _not_
   have your changes.
  
   To fully appreciate the value of the spfile parameter, Oracle should
 have
   allowed editing spfile directly and completely done away with pfile.
   Splitting functionality across two different implementations adds to
   difficulties, does not resolve them. I hope future versions of Oracle do
   offer that functionality. It's not that difficult or unheard of, either.
   Listener.ora, tnsnames.ora are all editable and also read by Net
 Assistant.
  
   just my .02
  
   Arup Nanda
  
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   Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:09 PM
  
Spfile is shared and can be modified dynamically without bouncing the
instances.
   
Eg. Alter system set db_cache_size = 800m scope = [ memory | spfile |
   both ]
sid = *
   
Without spfile, you can still make this change dynamically in memory,
 but
you would have to manually update init.ora file to reflect your
 change.
Spfile allows you to automatically capture these dynamic changes.
   
Gerardo
   
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Sent: 

RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make SPFILE in

2003-07-17 Thread Kirtikumar Deshpande
Editing spfile is not supported by Oracle.  And I think it is documented as such. 
You can just view it, copy it and play with the copied version what whatever...

One thing to remeber is to always hold on to the init.ora version. No matter what. Or 
at least
until Oracle completely removes init.ora file when the Oracle RDBMS software becomes 
smarter than
human brain ;) 


- Kirti 

 
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 My experience also on Win2K.  9.2.0.1.0 the file is editable.  On 9.2.0.3.0
 results are unpredictable if you edit the file.  I guess that they really
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RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make SPFILE in

2003-07-17 Thread Richard Ji
Title: RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make SPFILE in



Of 
course you are right that no one should use it as the right way to change 
parameters.
I will 
admit playing with binary file some times is my idea of fun. Hey, you 
never know,
you 
might learn something from it. To see the data structure gives me idea 
of how things work.
And it 
might come in handy some day in a recovery situation.

Best 
regards

Richard Ji

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 
  12:19 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make SPFILE 
  in
  Questin is why do you want to mess with it? That's not exactly 
  my idea of fun ... 
  I'd still use alter system, alter database commands to change 
  whatever. Raj  
  Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. 
  QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art 
  ! 
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  Richard Ji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Why are SPFILEs binary anyway? (was RE: How to make 
  SPFILE in 
  That's a good point. Someone should try a binary editor 
  instead, like bvi and see what happens. 
  -Original Message- Sent: 
  Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:45 AM To: Multiple 
  recipients of list ORACLE-L in 
  I wonder if it is something built into the file or something 
  that vi (or whatever editor you are using) does to the 
  file when you save it. I say that because, if 
  you edit the text part of an export file with vi, you get an unusable file. But the text part of an export file can be 
  edited by other means and it will work -- for example, 
  by running it through a C or Perl program and editing 
  the stream as it flows through the program; and I think, if the export file is not too big ( 2 gig I think ) emacs 
  (with certain options??) can be used. 
  The official word in the 9i new features class at the ivory 
  tower in Colorado Springs is that all the new features 
  are wonderful, and you should be using them. 
  
   -Original Message-  
   it's a fake sort of binary -- try editing it with 
  vi and then try  opening your database with the 
  spfile... but first make an init.ora  copy of 
  it.   There is some 
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alert_sid.log file: Performance statistics empty: data overflow

2003-07-17 Thread Liu, Jack
Hi,
I often see this in my alert_sid.log file: Performance statistics empty:
data overflow
What does this mean, is there anything wrong with the Oracle DB?
Thanks,

Jack
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Re: Re: Another OCP slant...

2003-07-17 Thread rgaffuri
i just hope they dont add a requirement to take one of their $2000 classes just to 
upgrade your certification. 

though it sure looks like they are heading that way... talk about a scam to get money. 
The classes are not rigorous, many instructors have little to no experience, and they 
go right out of the book. 

btw, if you hire someone just because they are certified its your own fault. 
Certification is helpful because you will learn stuff you dont normally use and the 
more material you have in your playbook the easier it is to do your job. 

if you look at most job ads that want certification they want experience PLUS 
certification. 
 
 From: Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2003/07/17 Thu PM 12:09:38 EDT
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Another OCP slant...
 
 Thursday, July 17, 2003, 6:34:26 AM, you wrote:
 DE Beyond the ethical implications and all the other issues. 
 DE Has anyone on this list used the tips/suggestions to study for their OCP
 DE exams? Are they any good as an aid?
 
 I've never used any of the braindum.com type web sites, nor
 have I bothered with any of the exam-focused books. Mostly I
 read manuals and experiment with new features. It helps that
 I'm often writing about those new features, because writing
 forces me to learn.
 
 The one exception is that at the OracleWorld after 9i was
 released, Oracle themselves offered an exam-cram class for
 the Oracle9i upgrade exam. I sat through one or two sessions
 of that class--I couldn't be there for all of them--and then
 took the exam. It was a close call. Probably I would not
 have passed without having attended Oracle's cram-session.
 
 Back in the Oracle7 days I put off and put off taking the
 exams because I never felt ready. (Do you ever really feel
 ready?) Finally, one day, I kicked myself in the rear and
 signed up for all four exams in one go. I passed three and
 flunked one, but while failing that one exam I also picked
 up a good idea of what it was that I needed to go learn in
 order to pass it the next time. That's been my basic
 approach ever since: try an exam, hope I pass, and if I fail
 at least I know what I need to go and learn.
 
 If there is a 10x upgrade exam at OracleWorld this year, you
 can bet that, unprepared as I am, I'll sit for it and give
 it a go. Perhaps I can be one of the first to fail!
 
 Best regards,
 
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RE: alert_sid.log file: Performance statistics empty: data overfl

2003-07-17 Thread Josh Collier
It doesn't mean a thing.

This is simply a benign warning message indicating that V$DISPATCHER_RATE  
performance statistics may no longer be accurate.



fix:

Ignore the error message. This message is no longer seen with Oracle9i. 

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Hi,
I often see this in my alert_sid.log file: Performance statistics empty:
data overflow
What does this mean, is there anything wrong with the Oracle DB?
Thanks,

Jack
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RE: Orbitz issue

2003-07-17 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Orbitz issue





Nah ... it is just that ORacle is Unbreakable ... that's all.


Raj

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There are some vague and brief news articles on the web stating that Orbitz is down and they are blaming Oracle. Anyone with some inside info on what went wrong? 

just curious. i know its probably due to someone at Orbitz making a mistake.



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RE: DBMS_REPAIR Package

2003-07-17 Thread Jared . Still
If you ran dbverify with the database up, it's very likely that
there is nothing wrong with the datafiles.

If dbv reads a block in transition, it will appear corrupt.

Run it again, and there will either be no errors, or they will
appear to be in different blocks.

Personally, I think it a colossal waste of time to run dbverify.

In 9 years of DBA'ing, I've experienced maybe 3 or 4 instances
of a corrupt block, and it was always an index.  The solution
was to drop/rebuild the index.

Jared






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I dug a little more and found my answer.  I found that Oracle uses 
DBMS_REPAIR just to put a band-aid on the corrupt blocks. It basically 
identifies the corrupt block and marks it so oracle skips over it like 
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DB have to be shutdown to run it. Does it really fix any corrupt blocks in 
the datafiles?  We ran DBVerify and found several corrupt DB files in one 
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Re: how to schedule a job every alternate sundays in unix cron

2003-07-17 Thread Jared . Still
Brilliant.  :)





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RE: faq broke?

2003-07-17 Thread Jared . Still
Perhaps you should try orafaq.org?  ( notice the spelling )

Or was that just a typo in your original post?

Jared





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RE: how to schedule a job every alternate sundays in unix cron

2003-07-17 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
what a freekin nightmare!  I'd hate to be the next poor bloke who has to
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Brilliant.  :)





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Hello All,

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I have to run a backup script in every alternate
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I cant find a way to submit it in cron.

Can somebody help me  how to setup a job to run
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RE: how to schedule a job every alternate sundays in unix cron

2003-07-17 Thread Gene Sais


lol, actually 
makes sense :). wondering how the perl version would look 
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Physical Design Question

2003-07-17 Thread David Wagoner
Title: Physical Design Question





Here's my situation:


Damagement wants us to move 4 small production DBs to one server to save on licensing costs. Server is a Sun E4500, 4 CPUs, 8 GB RAM. There is a pair of internal disks that are mirrored with enough room for Solaris, swap, and 1 Oracle Home. There are 3 A1000 disk arrays (12 x 18 GB drives each), all set to RAID 1+0 using the S.A.M.E. approach.

Questions:


1. Should I use a separate Oracle Home for each DB? 


 Pros: --Allows upgrade/patching of 1 DB at a time without affecting others (some are home-grown, some are 3rd party). 

 Cons: --Takes up more space, but space is not a major concern. 
 --I'll have to put some Oracle Homes on the A1000s with the data files (i.e., concerns about disk contention).

 --Requires applying multiple upgrades/patches



2. Should I put 1 DB per A1000? (Actually, 1 A1000 would hold 2 of the least active DBs.)


 Pros: --Easier to determine performance problems b/c each DB is isolated on 1 A1000.
 --If one controller dies, it only affects 1 DB.


 Cons: --Only get throughput of 1 controller; could use 3 controllers if data files spread across 3 A1000s. 



Anyone with experience doing this, please share your tips, tricks, and gotchas!



Best regards,


David B. Wagoner
Database Administrator





Re: DBMS_REPAIR Package

2003-07-17 Thread Daniel Fink
There's a good argument for separating tables/indexes.

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 If dbv reads a block in transition, it will appear corrupt.
 
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 Personally, I think it a colossal waste of time to run dbverify.
 
 In 9 years of DBA'ing, I've experienced maybe 3 or 4 instances
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shell question

2003-07-17 Thread A.Bahar
  
 hi all ,
 
how can I read a text file and print line by line.

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RE: Another OCP slant...

2003-07-17 Thread Jesse, Rich
Yipe!  Not having taken the OCP route (yet -- or, if ever), how much does
the fail-retake-retake method cost in $$$?

Rich

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RE: Physical Design Question

2003-07-17 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Title: Physical Design Question



David,

You 
don't say but, I am assuming that all your databases are at the same Oracle 
Release level. If this is the case, I would create one Oracle home for now 
- you can always create a new Oracle Home when you start considering migrating 
each individual database to a newer release.

You 
didn't say if each DB has different access loads, so assuming all are the 
same,I would share all disks with all DB's. It will allow you to 
better blend all db's on the box - provide the best throughput 
possible.

That's 
what I would do, unless there are some specific business reasons to not do this 
(like contractual stuff about availabilty for one application that the other 
does not have).

Hope 
this helps.
Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional 

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  Physical Design Question
  Here's my situation: 
  Damagement wants us to move 4 small production DBs 
  to one server to save on licensing costs. Server is a Sun E4500, 4 CPUs, 
  8 GB RAM. There is a pair of internal disks that are mirrored with 
  enough room for Solaris, swap, and 1 Oracle Home. There are 3 A1000 disk 
  arrays (12 x 18 GB drives each), all set to RAID 1+0 using the S.A.M.E. 
  approach.
  Questions: 
  1. Should I use a separate Oracle Home for 
  each DB? 
   Pros: --Allows upgrade/patching of 1 DB at a time without 
  affecting others (some are home-grown, some are 3rd party). 
   Cons: --Takes up more space, but space is not a major concern. 
   
  --I'll have to put some Oracle Homes on the A1000s with the data files (i.e., 
  concerns about disk contention).
   
  --Requires applying multiple upgrades/patches 
  2. Should I put 1 DB per A1000? (Actually, 1 
  A1000 would hold 2 of the least active DBs.) 
   Pros: --Easier to determine performance problems b/c each DB is 
  isolated on 1 A1000.  
  --If one controller dies, it only affects 1 DB. 
   Cons: --Only get throughput of 1 controller; could use 3 
  controllers if data files spread across 3 A1000s. 
  Anyone with experience doing this, please share 
  your tips, tricks, and gotchas! 
  Best regards, 
  David B. Wagoner Database Administrator 


oracle10g

2003-07-17 Thread Adams, Matthew (GECP, MABG, 088130)



Gotta love 
oracle.

It won't be 10i, it'll 
be Oracle10g

what on earth are they 
thinking?

http://www.oracle.com/oracleworld/paris/conference/


STATSPACK in Oracle 8.1.6.0

2003-07-17 Thread Seema Singh
Hi,
I want to delete all old records of statspack from perfstat schema.
What would be best way to do this either by truncating all tables or remove 
and recreate ?
Pl advice.
thx
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RE: Here comes Oracle10G

2003-07-17 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
gotta love it.  the marketing people get to spend a whole new set of money
to re-brand everything.  I'm glad they are doing so well that they got money
to burn.

Tom Mercadante
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OracleWorld web sites SFO/PARIS revealing the new name as: Oracle10G  

Gee, it's not 'i' anymore ? 
Nope!! It's Capital G.
 
G for God? 
No. It's Grid :) 

Enjoy.. 
- Kirti 


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Re: Another OCP slant...

2003-07-17 Thread Tanel Poder
Title: RE: Another OCP slant...



Hi!

Why did you take 8 + 1 tests for 8 and 8i DBA? 5 + 
1 should have been enough?

Back in summer of 1999 when I wen't to EOUG yearly 
conference, Oracle promoted their OCP exams there and let people take their 
exams free. I thouht, what the heck, let's give it a try - and completed all 5 
exams in one day ;) After that I was kind of disappointed that the exams were so 
easy (I had only about 1,5 yr Oracle experience by then). 

But now I see guys who spend a month memorizing 
every word in exam cram books and still pass the exams, without having any skill 
to maintain actual real life databases... Currently, only thing OCP says to me 
right now, is that the guy/girl owning it, isn't a complete loser and at least 
is willing to do someting. Whether getting OCP is the right thing to do fist in 
Oracle career, is a different issue.

Tanel.
Previously OCP 8-9i, now Oracle Certified 
Master.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  April Wells 
  
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:34 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Another OCP slant...
  
  for 8 and 8i, I used the Exam cram books and the Osborne book for 
  8i.Took all of the 8 OCP tests and the upgradetest in 8 
  weeks.
  
  April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas 
  You will recognize your own path when you 
  come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination 
  you will ever need.
  ~ Jerry Gillies ~ 
  
-Original Message-From: Stefick Ronald S Contr 
ESC/HRIDD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, 
July 17, 2003 8:19 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Another OCP slant...
No, I sat through thte Oracle Education Classes and studied 
from the books given in the class. They make for great reference books 
now as well.
-Original Message- From: 
Denham Eva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:34 AM 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Another OCP slant... 
Hello Folks, 
I have discovered something *very* disturbing. We have a 
person(x2) who has earned their MCDBA - Microsoft DBA certifiction. These 
two don't have any clue, about database issues, when pressed to how they did 
it, it came out that they used the threads on a website called 
www.braindumps.com Beyond the ethical implications and all the other issues. 

Has anyone on this list used the tips/suggestions to study 
for their OCP exams? Are they any good as an aid? 
Regards Denham Eva Oracle DBA Linux like TeePee... No Windows, 
No Gates and Apache inside! 
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RE: shell question

2003-07-17 Thread Rudy Zung
cat(1)

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 hi all ,
 
how can I read a text file and print line by line.

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RE: shell question

2003-07-17 Thread Stephen Lee

cat file

sed '' file

awk '{print}' file

while read LINE; do echo $LINE; done  file

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 how can I read a text file and print line by line.
 
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Re: Here comes Oracle10G

2003-07-17 Thread Daniel Fink
Kirtikumar Deshpande wrote:
 
 OracleWorld web sites SFO/PARIS revealing the new name as: Oracle10G
 
 Gee, it's not 'i' anymore ?
 Nope!! It's Capital G.
 
 G for God?
 No. It's Grid :)
 
 Enjoy..
 - Kirti

The first thing that comes to mind (as a commuter) is Grid...lock! I can see it 
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n:Fink;Daniel
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tel;work:303.272.3225
x-mozilla-html:TRUE
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Re: shell question

2003-07-17 Thread Brian_P_MacLean

Sounds to simple so I must be missing a few of the requirements (...

cat myfile

  or

#!/bin/ksh
cat myfile | while read LINE
do
  print ${LINE}
done



   
  
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how can I read a text file and print line by line.

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RE: Another OCP slant...

2003-07-17 Thread April Wells
Title: RE: Another OCP slant...



I scheduled mine over lunch... without the luxury of being able to take 
all the time off I need to take tests all day. It is why it took me 2.33 
years for my undergrad degree and 4 years to finish my masters... it is all a 
matter of my setting my priorities, not inbeing able to pass a mess of 
multiple choice tests in a day.

April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas 
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come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you 
will ever need.
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  -Original Message-From: Tanel Poder 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:59 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
  Another OCP slant...
  Hi!
  
  Why did you take 8 + 1 tests for 8 and 8i DBA? 5 
  + 1 should have been enough?
  
  Back in summer of 1999 when I wen't to EOUG 
  yearly conference, Oracle promoted their OCP exams there and let people take 
  their exams free. I thouht, what the heck, let's give it a try - and completed 
  all 5 exams in one day ;) After that I was kind of disappointed that the exams 
  were so easy (I had only about 1,5 yr Oracle experience by then). 

  
  But now I see guys who spend a month memorizing 
  every word in exam cram books and still pass the exams, without having any 
  skill to maintain actual real life databases... Currently, only thing OCP says 
  to me right now, is that the guy/girl owning it, isn't a complete loser and at 
  least is willing to do someting. Whether getting OCP is the right thing to do 
  fist in Oracle career, is a different issue.
  
  Tanel.
  Previously OCP 8-9i, now Oracle Certified 
  Master.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
April Wells 

To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 

Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:34 
PM
Subject: RE: Another OCP slant...

for 8 and 8i, I used the Exam cram books and the Osborne book for 
8i.Took all of the 8 OCP tests and the upgradetest in 8 
weeks.

April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas 
You will recognize your own path when 
you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and 
imagination you will ever need.
~ Jerry Gillies ~ 

  -Original Message-From: Stefick Ronald S Contr 
  ESC/HRIDD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 
  Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:19 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Another OCP slant...
  No, I sat through thte Oracle Education Classes and 
  studied from the books given in the class. They make for great 
  reference books now as well.
  -Original Message- From: 
  Denham Eva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:34 AM 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Another OCP slant... 
  Hello Folks, 
  I have discovered something *very* disturbing. We have a 
  person(x2) who has earned their MCDBA - Microsoft DBA certifiction. These 
  two don't have any clue, about database issues, when pressed to how they 
  did it, it came out that they used the threads on a website called 
  www.braindumps.com Beyond the ethical implications and all the other 
  issues. 
  Has anyone on this list used the tips/suggestions to study 
  for their OCP exams? Are they any good as an aid? 
  Regards Denham Eva 
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Re: STATSPACK in Oracle 8.1.6.0

2003-07-17 Thread Kirtikumar Deshpande
The latter. 
Scripts are already supplied. 

- Kirti 


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Re: shell question

2003-07-17 Thread Don Yu
Please see the following text, which comes from my shell script:

for arg_each_line in `cat $WORKING_DIR/log_file_parsing_temp02.temp | awk
'{ pri
nt $1===$2===$3 }'`
do
one_line=`echo $arg_each_line | sed 's/===/ /g'`
# debug one line below if enabled
#echo $one_line  $WORKING_DIR/log_file_parsing_temp03.temp
client_ip=`echo $one_line | awk '{ print $1 }' | sed 's/ //g'`
org_date=`echo $one_line | awk '{ print $2 }' | sed 's/ //g'`
oracle_date=`$SCRIPT_HOME/ldate $org_date`
host_ip=`echo $one_line | awk '{ print $3 }' | sed 's/ //g'`
# transfer client_ip from alphabet to digital
client_addr=`echo $client_ip | egrep -i -e [a-z] | sed 's/
//g'`
# get the length of client_addr
LENGTH=`expr $client_addr : '.*'`
..
done

Hope that it is helpful!


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Re: DBMS_REPAIR Package

2003-07-17 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi!

 If dbv reads a block in transition, it will appear corrupt.

In 9i, I believe dbv reads a block multiple times, if it doesn't get a
consistent (non-corrupted) image first time. If it gets the block ok during
next attempts, block isn't reported corrupt. But if several subsequent
attempts fail, a dbverify output statistic Total Pages In Flux is
incremented (might be that dbv is comparing the block image just read to
image of same block read in previous attempt). So that means, 9i can give
correct results on open datafiles as well.

(I haven't tested or verified it, its based on 9.2 docs:
http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/B10501_01/server.920/a96652/ch13.htm
#1006796)

 Personally, I think it a colossal waste of time to run dbverify.

No, it can be useful in several cases: validating backups, verifying
restored files etc..
If at all, it can be ore like waste of IO bandwith.

Also, in 9i you can do segment level dbverify, that can be quite useful in
some cases.


 In 9 years of DBA'ing, I've experienced maybe 3 or 4 instances
 of a corrupt block, and it was always an index.  The solution
 was to drop/rebuild the index.

Ok, you've been lucky. I've seen them in data, index, rollback, even temp
segements.
And in few cases the index rebuild was definitely not a solution, because
the index was a global index on one billion row table, thus it was
definitely easier to restore  recover in our case, than allocate huge
amounts of temp space and waste a lot of IO and CPU resources for
rebuilding.

Cheers,
Tanel.



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 I dug a little more and found my answer.  I found that Oracle uses
 DBMS_REPAIR just to put a band-aid on the corrupt blocks. It basically
 identifies the corrupt block and marks it so oracle skips over it like
 it's not even there.


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RE: Here comes Oracle10G

2003-07-17 Thread Henry Poras
10G

I think that's $/user

Henry


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Gee, it's not 'i' anymore ? 
Nope!! It's Capital G.
 
G for God? 
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Re: Here comes Oracle10G

2003-07-17 Thread Arup Nanda
How about G for Greedy!

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RE:

2003-07-17 Thread Nelson, Allan
Title: Message



Are 
you perhaps of Greek descent and living in Wisconsin? :-)

Allan

  
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  Correction:
  Blessed are the cheesemakers, for they shall be 
  called the sons of God.
  Blessed are the Greek, for they shall inherit the 
  Earth.
  
  Comment:
  It's 
  obviously deeper then just the cheese makers, it is referring to 
  all
  manufacturers of the dairy 
  products.
  
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Blessed are the cheesemakers, because they shall 
rule the Kingdom of God. Blessed
are the Greek, because they shall inherit the 
Earth. Hope this helps you.

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RE: oracle10g

2003-07-17 Thread Boivin, Patrice J



Think 
"G" for globally.

They 
are thinking globally.

The 
grid computing page on otn says grid computing is available now for 9i release 
2...

Patrice.

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  ORACLE-LSubject: oracle10g
  Gotta love 
  oracle.
  
  It won't be 10i, it'll 
  be Oracle10g
  
  what on earth are they 
  thinking?
  
  http://www.oracle.com/oracleworld/paris/conference/


RE: Physical Design Question

2003-07-17 Thread David Wagoner
Title: Physical Design Question



Thomas,

Thanks 
for the comments. The databases are all different versions (8.1.7.3 to 
9.2.0.2.0), at least for the time-being.

In 
your suggestion to use 1 Oracle Home for multiple databases, then maybe later 
split into multiple Oracle Homes, do you have to relink the database files or 
anything special, or do you just have to change the Oracle Home environment 
variable to point to a new Oracle Home?

Best regards, 
David B. Wagoner Database Administrator 


RE: oracle10g

2003-07-17 Thread Jesse, Rich



10G -- 
amount of force needed to be applied to one's head to get thru 
install.

10GI 
-- special military-strength version.

10BG 
-- allows instant archiving/retrieval of 70s disco music

10Gee--Wow. That's really 
neat.

10GB 
-- new installation on 16 CDs or 3 convenient DVDs.

10G4 
-- Mac-only version

10Gentoo -- Linux-only version

10GForce -- Minimum video card needed to install. 
See also the "1-Rover-1" edition.


sigh Back to work 
now...


Rich


Rich 
Jesse 
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Sussex, WI USA 

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  Think "G" for globally.
  
  They 
  are thinking globally.
  
  The 
  grid computing page on otn says grid computing is available now for 9i release 
  2...
  
  Patrice.
  
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ORACLE-LSubject: oracle10g
Gotta love 
oracle.

It won't be 10i, 
it'll be Oracle10g

what on earth are 
they thinking?

http://www.oracle.com/oracleworld/paris/conference/


RE: Here comes Oracle10G

2003-07-17 Thread Odland, Brad
(G for gazillion)

10G - Easy to remember pricing now, 10G (gazillion) per processor!

10G - ID10T
The Enterprise Capable Value-Added Synergies With Paradigm Shift Detection
and Resource balanced touch points.
The database that powers the grid??!!

lol

crackin' myself up again...


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OracleWorld web sites SFO/PARIS revealing the new name as: Oracle10G  

Gee, it's not 'i' anymore ? 
Nope!! It's Capital G.
 
G for God? 
No. It's Grid :) 

Enjoy.. 
- Kirti 


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Re: Here comes Oracle10G

2003-07-17 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi!

And the booth where they'll be giving away 10G installation CDs at
OracleWorld San Francisco, will be named G-spot?!

;)

Tanel.

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Re: Here comes Oracle10G

2003-07-17 Thread Jeremiah Wilton
No, it's G... another ORA-600.  Or G... it's down again.

JW

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 Kirtikumar Deshpande wrote:
 
  OracleWorld web sites SFO/PARIS revealing the new name as: Oracle10G
 
  Gee, it's not 'i' anymore ?
  Nope!! It's Capital G.
 
  G for God?
  No. It's Grid :)
 
  Enjoy..
  - Kirti

 The first thing that comes to mind (as a commuter) is Grid...lock! I can
see it now...New oracle error, I'm sorry, but you can't get there from
here.

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RE: oracle10g

2003-07-17 Thread Gogala, Mladen



Gridlock computing is available since the dawn of 
computing, all that is needed is a
proper 
application design. I've seen quite a few applications using oracle RDBMS to 

implement gridlock computing,producing look and 
feel quite similar to LIE (I-495 in NY) 
on 
Monday 08:15 A.M..

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  -Original Message-From: Boivin, Patrice J 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 
  4:20 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  RE: oracle10g
  Think "G" for globally.
  
  They 
  are thinking globally.
  
  The 
  grid computing page on otn says grid computing is available now for 9i release 
  2...
  
  Patrice.
  
-Original Message-From: Adams, Matthew (GECP, 
MABG, 088130) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, July 
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oracle.

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it'll be Oracle10g

what on earth are 
they thinking?

http://www.oracle.com/oracleworld/paris/conference/


RE:

2003-07-17 Thread Gogala, Mladen
Title: Message



Nope, 
I am a Croatian and I live in Connecticut. I was just referring to an old movie 

called 
"The Life of Brian".

Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 
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  -Original Message-From: Nelson, Allan 
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  Are 
  you perhaps of Greek descent and living in Wisconsin? :-)
  
  Allan
  

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Blessed are the cheesemakers, for they shall be 
called the sons of God.
Blessed are the Greek, for they shall inherit the 
Earth.

Comment:
It's obviously deeper then just the cheese makers, 
it is referring to all
manufacturers of the dairy 
products.

Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 
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  are the Greek, because they shall inherit the 
  Earth. Hope this helps you.
  
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Re: x server

2003-07-17 Thread Brian_P_MacLean

Are you looking for something like Exceed?  If so try

WinaXe - From http://www.tucows.com
http://www.jcraft.com/weirdx




   
  
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RE: Another OCP slant...

2003-07-17 Thread Niall Litchfield
I'm fortunate in having a public sector employer that believes in
education (but not so fortunate because education only comes with a
company stamp, so the like of the Miracle db forum are out :( ) so I did
the classes apart from the network stuff cause I was bored by then. What
I did find useful was the selftest software from the eponymous company,
that told me what the syllabus was and where I was weak (MTS that'd be
the one 0/6 repeatedly). STS stuff is cheap and purports to do some of
the education as well. 

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 Yipe!  Not having taken the OCP route (yet -- or, if ever), 
 how much does the fail-retake-retake method cost in $$$?
 
 Rich
 
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  Back in the Oracle7 days I put off and put off taking the exams 
  because I never felt ready. (Do you ever really feel
  ready?) Finally, one day, I kicked myself in the rear and signed up 
  for all four exams in one go. I passed three and flunked one, but 
  while failing that one exam I also picked up a good idea of what it 
  was that I needed to go learn in order to pass it the next time. 
  That's been my basic approach ever since: try an exam, hope I pass, 
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install delete_commit procedure

2003-07-17 Thread Anna Li
Hi All,

I would like to create DELETE_COMMIT procedure (developed and distributed by 
Oracle support).  Does anyone know where I can get the script?  Thanks in 
advance for your help.

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NNC-00425: meta-data violation -- need sanity check!

2003-07-17 Thread Bob Metelsky
All

Im setting up a name server on Oracle9i Enterprise Edition
Release 9.2.0.1.0 - Production
On windows 2000 server

Im doing eerything within the namesctl utility as typically I find the
gui to be too buggy for my tastes.

So I have the service running

C:\ namesctl
Currently managing name server NS_DB2
Version banner is Oracle Names for 32-bit Windows: Version 9.2.0.1.0 -
Product
...

My problem is the utility does not like the syntax of my large multi db
version tnsnames file 60 dbs. So, I simplify the test and just use 1
entry running on the names server. 

Tnsnames.ora
orcl =
  (DESCRIPTION =
(ADDRESS_LIST =
  (ADDRESS = (PROTOCOL = TCP)(HOST = db2)(PORT = 1521))
)
(CONNECT_DATA =
  (SERVER = DEDICATED)
  (SERVICE_NAME = orcl)
)
  )

When I do a load_tnsnames I get 
NAMESCTL load_tnsnames
Name:  orcl
Response status:   NNC-00425: meta-data violation
No records loaded


This is the default tnsnames!

Ummm... sanity check please!! ;-)

Here we have the error definitions whch arent really helpful
http://storacle.princeton.edu:9001/oracle8-doc/server.805/a58312/net8nnc
1.htm

So I turn to the water walkers on this list grin!!

This has to be a bug. I was counting on pulling in the one 9.2 tns entry
and then entering the other 60 by hand yecch!!

Thanks!
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RE: How to make SPFILE in sync with INIT.ORA ?

2003-07-17 Thread Niall Litchfield
Kirti wrote
 The other parameters that will get you in the same trouble 
 are related to the special buffer pools.. I ran into this 
 issue with 9iR1 and decided to stay away from SPFILE stuff... 
 The failure of Oracle (programmers) checking for such 
 exclusiveness (?) tells their background. Doesn't it? 
 I forget where I read this (may a post right here), but, 
 someone suggested to create a database trigger (to fire 
 before shutdown) to write out pfile from spfile. Good idea, I 
 think. And keep a backup of the init.ora. 

Yeah that makes sense, and we mandate that any parameter change goes to
both the spfile and the pfile and is documented a trigger would be a
good way to do this. Then I got to thinking, well I have to keep the
pfile backed up anyway in text form, I have to write cchange
documentation for a change, so in fact the pfile saves me , um nothing. 

Niall 

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Veritas and Oracle 9i with failsafe

2003-07-17 Thread Michael Kline



Got a cust who went 
Oracle 9i with failsafe...

Now Veritas is 
broke and they evidently know it.

Anyone else bit by 
this, and what was the solution
if 
any?

I guess the 9i is 
supposed to work, but when you
add failsafe it's 
broke.. Hearing this 2nd hand
you 
know..


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Distributed Oracle

2003-07-17 Thread Michael Kline



I have a customer 
whose long term goal is to
have what would 
probably be close to RAS, but
with the servers on 
a FAST backbone and about
500-800 feet 
apart...

Is there a way to 
put that together with 
hardware 
software?

In some ways they 
may even want to force a 
splitting of the 
load perhaps putting AR,
AP, and GL users on 
one box and Inventory
on the other box. 


It's the "distance" 
thing that I'm not sure
about as the 
servers will be Windows 2000
Server.

It's only a 9 gig 
database, and really needs
a lot of tuning, 
but still, we're not talking
terabytes.

Thanks.


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