RE: How to take sql*loader trace

2003-08-12 Thread Mladen Gogala
That is why my advice was 10046 trace name context forever, level 8, not
SQL_TRACE.
With 10046, level 8 you can still get waits (tkprof in 9i understands them).
You cannot
Get explain plan because direct path doesn't use SQL to insert into the
database.

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Senthil
  Are you using direct-path loader?

Dennis Williams
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Hi All,

I'm loading a set of data into one of my schema. And wanted to take the
trace files also.

I tried the follwoing.

1. Identified the sid,serila# for the sql*loader session.
2. used the follwoing,
   exec sys.dbms_system.set_sql_trace_in_session(19,11250,TRUE);

but this is not generation any trace files. But if I trun my system to
sql_trace=TRUE, I'm able to collect the trace details. I don't want to do
this.

I want to take the trace only for the sql*loader session. How do i do that.

TIA,
Senthil.

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High availability and real time data warehosuing

2003-08-12 Thread hrishy
Hi 

I was wundering if any of your shops are using High
avaliability solutions .

1)Can you tell me how these solutions like datamirror
are superior to oracle9i RAC ?

2)Has anybody implemented real time data warehousing
solution ?If so what were the enabling technologies
used like

1)Java Messaging servcies 
2)Mq series
3)Oracle streams 

3)Has anybody implemented oracle 9i datagaurd what has
been your experinces so far

regards
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RE: OT : Learning curve

2003-08-12 Thread Cary Millsap
I second the recommendation to buy and read Tufte's books, whether
you're the creator of graphic communication, or just the victim of it.

When I was at Oracle management meetings, you could always tell the
groups that were underperforming financially. They had the most
complicated charts.


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I have two or three of Tuftes more well known books.

For anyone that creates presentations with graphics, these
are a must have.

For anyone that feels stupid because they can't understand
someone else's charts in an power-point presentation, these
are a must have.  Hint:  It ain't you.

It's terribly ironic that the most informative and easy to 
understand chart ever created was drawn by hand in the 19th 
century.

I apologize for the somewhat OT nature of this reply, but as
most of us are in IT, we are subjected to meaningless charts
with alarming regularity.

Jared

On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 03:59, Stephane Faroult wrote:
 I stumbled by chance into the following article
   http://www.norvig.com/21-days.html
 which, without being in anyway related to Oracle, will probably ring
familiar bells - and what it says about programming could probably be
said about administration as well.
 By the way (and still more OT) I came to this site because of the
PowerPoint 'Gettysburgh address' and I was brought there by a reference
on Edward Tufte's site (http://www.edwardtufte.com), all of them worth a
look if you have imports or installations to run.
 
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RE: How to take sql*loader trace

2003-08-12 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Mladen
   Yes, when I saw your posting, I assumed that was what you were getting
at. I'll have to remember this one if I have trouble with a SQL*Loader
session.

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That is why my advice was 10046 trace name context forever, level 8, not
SQL_TRACE.
With 10046, level 8 you can still get waits (tkprof in 9i understands them).
You cannot
Get explain plan because direct path doesn't use SQL to insert into the
database.

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Senthil
  Are you using direct-path loader?

Dennis Williams
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Hi All,

I'm loading a set of data into one of my schema. And wanted to take the
trace files also.

I tried the follwoing.

1. Identified the sid,serila# for the sql*loader session.
2. used the follwoing,
   exec sys.dbms_system.set_sql_trace_in_session(19,11250,TRUE);

but this is not generation any trace files. But if I trun my system to
sql_trace=TRUE, I'm able to collect the trace details. I don't want to do
this.

I want to take the trace only for the sql*loader session. How do i do that.

TIA,
Senthil.

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Re: RE: quick suggestions for tuning ?

2003-08-12 Thread Prem Khanna J
Thanks a lot Millsap,Stephane Faroult,Jared Still,Wolfgang,Tanel and Dennis for
your pointers and suggestions.

I owe a lot to you Oracle Gurus.
A novice DBA like me is ever grateful to this wonderful list.

I love this list.

Thanks once again.
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Re: Antw: Take an Oracle 8.1 export file back to an Oracle 7.1

2003-08-12 Thread Rick_Cale





You could load the 7.1 exp on the 8.1 server and export then import on 7.1
server

Rick



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Hi David,

no, not possible to my knowledge. You have to use the 7.1 exp against
the 8.1 server. That's what they all say. If anyone knows better,
I would be glad to hear from him.

Greetings,
Guido

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Hi all

Is it possible to take an Oracle Version 8.1 database export file and load
it into an Oracle Version 7.1 database?
The export file of the 8.1 is on a different machine than the 7.1 database.
If I can not is there some other method
I can use to get the data from the 8.1 export file to the 7.1 database.


Thanks
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Take an Oracle 8.1 export file back to an Oracle 7.1 database.

2003-08-12 Thread Bartolo, David
Title: Take an Oracle 8.1 export file back to an Oracle 7.1 database.






Hi all


Is it possible to take an Oracle Version 8.1 database export file and load it into an Oracle Version 7.1 database?

The export file of the 8.1 is on a different machine than the 7.1 database. If I can not is there some other method

I can use to get the data from the 8.1 export file to the 7.1 database.



Thanks

David





RE: UNDO Tablespace

2003-08-12 Thread Hately, Mike (LogicaCMG)
The answer for this from our vendor is to increase the size
 of the UNDO based on their DBAs statement that UNDO is consumed rapidly
 because every query makes a physical copy of all tables and holds on to
 them for the retention period.

Sherrie,
In my considered opinion: Woohoohoohoo.
That's a ridiculous thing for a DBA to say. I hope he was misinterpreted
somewhere down the line because otherwise he's got a very flimsy grasp of
the read-consistency model.
In very simple terms Undo is used to hold a copy of any changed data (not
the whole table!) which has not been committed and flushed to the datafiles.
While it's there the data for an update transaction is available a) to the
'owning' transaction in case it has to ROLLBACK the updates it's made.  b)
to any other transactions which need to reconstruct the data as it was
before the update began.

On a more positive note I agree that we need the text of the error message
in order to give some help.

Cheers,
Mike


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 I have a 2gb UNDO tablespace.  A third-party application continually runs
 out of UNDO when it joins two tables to produce a result table.  Our
 retention time is set to 15 minutes, the NoSpaceErrCnt in V$UNDOSTAT is
 always zero.  The answer for this from our vendor is to increase the size
 of the UNDO based on their DBAs statement that UNDO is consumed rapidly
 because every query makes a physical copy of all tables and holds on to
 them for the retention period.  I can find nothing that discusses exactly
 how UNDO physically works, and am not sure that this can be true.  That
 would mean that every user querying our database would have copies of the
 tables in the UNDO, and I'd need about a gazillion gb to handle that.
Does
 anyone have any insights on how the UNDO physically works?



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RE: URGENT: Trying to duplicate database from cold backup - auxi

2003-08-12 Thread Freeman Robert - IL
 BTW, I just waited till afterhours brought the database down, copied 
 the file and cloned the easy way. 

I love RMAN, but truth be told, I still find the old manual method of
cloning a database to be easier somehow. Must be an old fogie.

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RE: Limits on PL/SQL block?

2003-08-12 Thread Jacques Kilchoer
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 I'm seeing a PLS-00123 program too large error. Oracle's 
 documentation says that the actual limit on the size of
 the block is dependant on the mix of statements in the
 PL/SQL block. Does anyone know how Oracle determines this
 limit? Is it a pure size of PL/SQL block in bytes, or is
 it number of unique statements in the block, or is it
 dependant on how much redo that the block may generate?

I asked a question about the maximum trigger size on Metalink recently (the 9.2 
documentation said that the maximum trigger size is 32K). Short answer - the easiest 
way to tell if a PL/SQL block is too big: try it and see if you get an error.

Here is the full answer from Oracle:

The limit of 32k for a trigger is platform dependent. The 32K limit is set taking into 
account the limit of 64K DIANA Nodes which includes the m-code and parsed-code. You 
may therefore end up having larger source code if the parsed-code ends up being lesser 
than the source code. 

In the shared pool, a package spec, object type spec, stand-alone subprogram, or 
anonymous block is limited to 64K DIANA nodes. The nodes correspond to tokens such as 
identifiers, keywords, operators, and so on. The m-code is limited to 64K 
compiler-generated temporary variables. 

Unfortunately, you cannot estimate the number of DIANA nodes from the parsed size. Two 
program units with the same parsed size might require 1500 and 2000 DIANA nodes, 
respectively (because, for example, the second unit contains more complex SQL 
statements). 
When a PL/SQL block, subprogram, package, or object type exceeds a size limit, you get 
an error such as program too large. Typically, this problem occurs with packages or 
anonymous blocks. With a package, the best solution is to divide it into smaller 
packages. With an anonymous block, the best solution is to redefine it as a group of 
subprograms, which can be stored in the database. 

You can query the user_object_size table on the database to find out the size of the 
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RE: Record breaking query

2003-08-12 Thread Michael Brown
Title: RE: Record breaking query



I have 
seen the time for wait_events in 8.1 do funny things when the system date was 
changed by ntp. Oracle assumes that end time is after start time for each 
wait event, if this is not the case due to the system clock being changed, you 
get a BIG number.

Every 
time this happened to us, our firewall (which is the ntp server for all of our 
other machines) had been rebooted and we saw an ntp event in the system log 
file. However, we were never able to reproduce this 
manually.

--Michael Brown 
 
 
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  query
  Thanks Wolfgang, 
  our retention time is 21600 seconds ... and this one bailed 
  out in half the time ... 
  Oh well ... we need to fix few more things .. 
  Raj  
  Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. 
  QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art 
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  I know what the message says. Do you believe everything you 
  see printed? Or expressing is differently: how many 
  error/diagnostics messages have you seen that are more 
  misleading than helpful. 
  At 01:24 PM 8/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: 
  but message says it is in seconds ... anf yes it is 92 
  ...  Thanks 
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  time is in microseconds rather than seconds?  At 10:39 AM 8/8/2003 -0800, you wrote:  
  Yeah, but think of the uptime! One helluva MTBF on that 
  server...
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  33588489  ORA-01555 caused by SQL statement 
  below (Query Duration=1060347963 sec,  SCN: 
   0x0011.05e003c2):  
  TICK : Fri Aug 8 09:06:03 2003  
  SELECT VOBJID, VNAME, VTEXT, VLEN, VOWNER, VOWNERID, VAUDIT, 
  VCOMMENT,  VCNAME, PROPERTY, DEFER, FLAGS, 
  OIDLEN, OIDCLAUSE, TYPEOWNER,  TYPENAME, 
  UNDERLEN,  
  UNDERCLAUSE FROM 
  SYS.EXU8VEW WHERE VOWNERID 
   != :"SYS_B_0" 
  ORDER BY VLEVEL, VOWNER, VOBJID  
  according to this error message this query has been running for close to 
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tables and views

2003-08-12 Thread AK



How to diiferentiate views and tables in all_tables 
and all_tab_columns . which column and what criteria can return only tables 
??

-ak


RE: Hot Backup

2003-08-12 Thread Ruth Gramolini
Just use rman, it comes with your Oracle RDBMS and has a whole book of
documentaion.

Rut5h

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 Hi List

 Does anyone have sample hot backup script for solaris
 env? If so could you please share with me in offline?

 Thanks
 Sami

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RE: Capacity Planning Methods?

2003-08-12 Thread Jesse, Rich
OK, I'll post it.  Salt to taste or toss it in the garbage.  Note that this
is just collecting data and doesn't make any recommendations or such.
Comments and critiques welcome, except from Mladen...  (running for cover)
;)

And, of course, standard disclaimers apply!


Rich

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CREATE TABLE TS_ACTIVITY
(
  TABLESPACE_NAME  VARCHAR2(30),
  FREE_SPACE   NUMBER,
  USED_SPACE   NUMBER,
  MAX_FREE_SPACE   NUMBER,
  TIMESTAMPDATE
)
TABLESPACE USERS
/

COMMENT ON TABLE TS_ACTIVITY IS 'Tablespace Activity: Records changes in
physical attributes of all permanent, dictionary-managed tablespaces.'
/

CREATE INDEX TS_ACTIVITY_TS_NAME ON TS_ACTIVITY
(TABLESPACE_NAME)
TABLESPACE USERS
/


CREATE OR REPLACE PROCEDURE TS_CHECK IS
--
-- Explicit SELECT access must be granted to this schema on the following
SYS views:
--
--  DBA_TABLESPACES
--  DBA_DATA_FILES
--  DBA_FREE_SPACE
--
-- Modification History
-- -
-- 12/19/2001   REJ Created.

v_tablespace_name   ts_activity.tablespace_name%TYPE;
v_free_spacets_activity.free_space%TYPE;
v_used_spacets_activity.used_space%TYPE;
v_max_free_spacets_activity.max_free_space%TYPE;
v_rowcount  NUMBER;

CURSOR C_TS IS
SELECT d.tablespace_name, f.bytes FREE_SPACE,
NVL(a.bytes - NVL(f.bytes, 0), 0) USED_SPACE,
f.max_free_space
FROM sys.dba_tablespaces d,
(SELECT tablespace_name, SUM(bytes) bytes
FROM dba_data_files
GROUP BY tablespace_name) a,
(SELECT tablespace_name, SUM(bytes) bytes, MAX(bytes)
max_free_space
FROM dba_free_space
GROUP BY tablespace_name) f
WHERE d.tablespace_name = a.tablespace_name(+) AND
d.tablespace_name = f.tablespace_name(+)
AND d.contents = 'PERMANENT';

BEGIN

FOR tsrec IN C_TS LOOP

SELECT COUNT(*)
INTO v_rowcount
FROM ts_activity
WHERE tablespace_name = tsrec.tablespace_name;

IF v_rowcount  0 THEN
SELECT q.tablespace_name, q.free_space, q.used_space,
q.max_free_space
INTO v_tablespace_name, v_free_space, v_used_space,
v_max_free_space
FROM
ts_activity q,
(SELECT MAX(timestamp) timestamp
FROM ts_activity
WHERE tablespace_name = tsrec.tablespace_name) ts
WHERE q.tablespace_name = tsrec.tablespace_name
AND q.timestamp = ts.timestamp;
END IF;

IF tsrec.free_space != v_free_space
OR tsrec.used_space != v_used_space
OR tsrec.max_free_space != v_max_free_space
OR v_rowcount = 0 THEN
INSERT INTO ts_activity
(tablespace_name, free_space, used_space,
max_free_space, timestamp)
VALUES (tsrec.tablespace_name, tsrec.free_space,
tsrec.used_space, tsrec.max_free_space, SYSDATE);
END IF;
END LOOP;

END TS_CHECK;
/


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Rich, 
I'd love to see the procedure and table that you use.  Thanks for offering. 


Best regards, 
David B. Wagoner 
Database Administrator 
Arsenal Digital Solutions 
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RE: rman implementation

2003-08-12 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Sai - Several factors:
  - This was several years ago, so memory fades.
  - This was the sys admin's first go at NFS.
  - Got through the initial configuration issues, and the system was up and
running. Then several months later I was trying to use the device for RMAN
recovery. It would hang with no errors. Experts on this list provided a
lot of useful ideas, and put me much closer to the issue, but finally I
ended up pushing Oracle Support. They insisted we take NFS out of the mix,
just use regular disk. It worked, which forced the sys admin to go back and
review everything. In the rhosts file, had the name with the wrong I.P.
number. Surprisingly it would mount, but wouldn't accept heavy loads. And
that is about all I can reconstruct on that. Unfortunately probably not
particularly useful to you. 



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yes dennis.
 
this is what i am planning to do.
 
can you please mention the glitches and the parameters that have to be
changed.
 
or some pointers from your implementaion which could be very useful.
 
thanks a lot
sai

DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sai
Are you planning to do a RMAN backup to disk and the disk is Netapp? We
ran into a couple of hitches. If you are able to mount a tablespace on the
Netapp device, you should be past the first thing we ran into. The other
issue had to do with the fact that RMAN opens many connections to disk, so
when we tried to recover the backup, RMAN would recover some files, then
quit. Changing a Netapp configuration parameter fixed that problem.



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hi

can someone give me pointers on pros and cons of implementing rman with
netapp filers.

any pointers,white papers,case study,implementation doc will be very
helpful.

thanks
sai

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RE: Analytical Functions

2003-08-12 Thread Goulet, Dick
Nope, Use them every day.  Their standard issue, but require Enterprise edition in 8i.

Dick Goulet
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Hi Can anyone tell me if the Analytical functions  as shown in the 
extracted piece of SQL using the OVER clause are part of standard 9i SQL 
or is it part of the OLAP engine.  What i want to know is do I need OLAP 
installed to use these functions
 
SELECT last_name, hire_date, salary,
   LAG(salary, 1, 0) OVER (ORDER BY hire_date) AS prev_sal
   FROM employees
   WHERE job_id = 'PU_CLERK';



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Partitioning

2003-08-12 Thread Meng, Dennis
I have worked with partitioning before but have yet encountered the following 
challenge -
The table we are trying to partition is a large table with hundreds of millions of 
rows, which is ok. But it does not have a month column, although it has dates. I would 
like to partition by month because this table contains years of data and partitioning 
by days will result in thousands of partitions. Of course we can add a month column 
but I think that will require extensive downtime which we can't afford and I suspect 
it will cause row-chaining as well. So anybody care to share with me any other 
options/suggestions?

TIA

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