Re: [Q] wait time on stat

2004-01-29 Thread Jonathan Lewis

Do you have any LOBs defined with
the nocache nologging attribute ?

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 WE have ORACLE 9.2.0.3 database run under Win2000.  I
 run  statspack and found Top 5 timed event.  Look
 like control file parallel write  and redo file
 parallel write  take lots time.  How to fix?
 
 
 
 
 
 Top 5 Timed Events
 ~~
 % Total
 Event  
 WaitsTime (s) Ela Time
 
  --- 
 control file parallel write
 5,499   1,14190.37
 CPU time  
 97 7.70
 log file parallel write
 1,305  12  .95
 db file parallel write   
 162   6  .44
 log file switch completion
 10   2  .16
  
 -
 Wait Events for DB: 9IDEV  Instance: 9idev  Snaps: 5
 -6
 - s  - second
 - cs - centisecond - 100th of a second
 - ms - millisecond -1000th of a second
 - us - microsecond - 100th of a second
 - ordered by wait time desc, waits desc (idle events
 last)
 
   
 Avg
 
 Total Wait   waitWaits
 Event   Waits   Timeouts  
 Time (s)   (ms) /txn
   --
 -- -- 
 control file parallel write 5,499  0  
1,141207211.5
 log file parallel write 1,305  1,299  
   12  9 50.2
 db file parallel write162  0  
6 34  6.2
 log file switch completion 10  0  
2204  0.4
 control file sequential read3,827  0  
2  0147.2
 db file sequential read   176  0  
1  7  6.8
 direct path write  92  0  
1  6  3.5
 log file sync  14  0  
0 33  0.5
 log file single write  20  0  
0 13  0.8
 log file sequential read   35  0  
0  6  1.3
 direct path read   92  0  
0  2  3.5
 SQL*Net break/reset to clien   44  0  
0  0  1.7
 SQL*Net more data to client 7  0  
0  0  0.3
 async disk IO   4  0  
0  0  0.2
 virtual circuit status  6,826496  
   19,650   2879262.5
 wakeup time manager   530530  
   19,179  36187 20.4
 SQL*Net message from client 6,457  0  
   12,084   1871248.3
 jobq slave wait   402381  
1,227   3051 15.5
 SQL*Net message to client   6,458  0  
0  0248.4
  
 -
 Background Wait Events for DB: 9IDEV  Instance: 9idev
  Snaps: 5 -6
 - ordered by wait time desc, waits desc (idle events last)
 
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RE: [Q] wait time on stat

2004-01-29 Thread Niall Litchfield
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 Subject: Re: [Q] wait time on stat
 
 
 Defaulty Windows installation usually creates log files of 20M. The  
 person who posted the problem explicitely mentioned Windows 
 platform. Size of 20M is so small that the database will 
 start to checkpoint like crazy when you start using it for 
 real.

On 9.2 at least (might be 9.0.1 as well but that isn't in use here) each of
the available template databases used by dbca comes with 3 redo logs of 100m
each by default. Don't know what the default is if you don't specify a size
in the create database statement (never been that daft) but that wouldn't be
windows specific. 

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Re: [Q] wait time on stat

2004-01-29 Thread Tanel Poder
Hi!

 Do you have any LOBs defined with
 the nocache nologging attribute ?

This was what I initially thought would be the problem, but then I thought,
in case of nocache lobs you should see direct path writes (lob) a lot...

Tanel.




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RE: UNION ALL Query: Riddle

2004-01-29 Thread Wendry
I have the same problem like you Rajesh, the query also gives different
rowcount each time executed eventhough there's no one updating base
tables, in my opinion it's because of the sorting operation (your group
by clause). In my case after I remove some group functions, the result
goes well. Also I reduce the use of order by clause where it's not
needed.

I still haven't found the exact solution to this problem. But just now
I've tried to decrease the sort area size parameter value (I think I
oversize it), and run the query again, the result goes stable with the
problematic query but it runs slower. I haven't tried intensively, I try
to do that tomorrow. Meanwhile if, there's any of the Gurus can give us
clearer explanation, please do so... Thank you all in advance.

Regards,

Wendry.

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Pillai, Rajesh
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Hi Jared,
    Thanks for  your response. different results mean that number of
records are different sometimes, and sometimes the some of the
quantities are not correct. Your help is really appreciated.
 
Thanks,
Rajesh
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Q:  What does different results mean? 

Different row count? 

Completely different data? 

Partially different data? 

Some columns have incorrect value? 

What about doing it without the parallel hints?  The tables aren't 
so big that it would take a long time to find out. 

Jared 




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Hi All,
                The following query is giving different results in each
run. I assure that no data modified between consecutive runs - 
                INSERT /* append parallel (z,8) */
                 INTO some_table 
                (SELECT /*parallel (a,8) */
                            a.item,
                                 a.loc,
                                 SUM(a.qty_type_1),
                                 SUM(a.qty_type_2)
                FROM
                                 (select  /*parallel (x,8) */
                                       item,
                                       loc,
                                       qty_type_1,
                                       to_number(NULL)                  
               
                                 from
                                       table_a x
                                 UNION ALL                 
                                 select /*parallel (y,8) */
                                       item,
                                       loc,
                                       to_number(NULL),
                                       qty_type_2                      
           
                                 from
                                       table_b y
                                 ) a
                GROUP BY
                                 a.item,
                                 a.loc);

Additional info - 

Number of records in table_a and table_b is around 3M and 6M.

SQL select * from v$version;

BANNER

Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.2.0 - Production
PL/SQL Release 8.1.7.2.0 - Production
CORE    8.1.7.0.0       Production
TNS for Solaris: Version 8.1.7.2.0 - Production
NLSRTL Version 3.4.1.0.0 - Production

I would appreciate any help in solving this mystery and all hints are
welcome.

Thanks,
Rajesh Pillai

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Re: [Q] wait time on stat

2004-01-29 Thread M Rafiq
Mladen,

Here I will humbly disagree with you. It is not fault of Windows but the 
person who created the database and  defined tiny size log files while 
creation. If he used custom database option he can define whatever size he 
wants. These options are same for both Windows and Unix.

Regards
Rafiq


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Defaulty Windows installation usually creates log files of 20M. The  person 
who posted the problem explicitely mentioned Windows platform.
Size of 20M is so small that the database will start to checkpoint
like crazy when you start using it for real. The number that I gave
is my rule of thumb. It's not to big to frighten the boss (alltogether
just a gig or two) and it's big enough to solve checkpointing problem.
This rule of thumb  number is derived from experience. Yes, of course,
I am guessing. There is not enough information to investigate the
problem. I believe that he was asking us to guess. I did.

On 01/28/2004 08:14:25 PM, Jared Still wrote:
How did you determine the size of the logs?

Or are you just guessing that they are significantly
less than 250m?
Could just be a very busy database that needs redo
and controlfile on faster disk.
Jared

On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 12:24, Mladen Gogala wrote:
 Increase redo logs to 250M each. You're checkpointing.


 On 01/28/2004 03:09:26 PM, dba1 mcc wrote:
  WE have ORACLE 9.2.0.3 database run under Win2000.  I
  run  statspack and found Top 5 timed event.  Look
  like control file parallel write  and redo file
  parallel write  take lots time.  How to fix?
 
 
 
 
 
  Top 5 Timed Events
  ~~
  % Total
  Event
  WaitsTime (s) Ela Time
  
   --- 
  control file parallel write
  5,499   1,14190.37
  CPU time
  97 7.70
  log file parallel write
  1,305  12  .95
  db file parallel write
  162   6  .44
  log file switch completion
  10   2  .16
 
  -
  Wait Events for DB: 9IDEV  Instance: 9idev  Snaps: 5
  -6
  - s  - second
  - cs - centisecond - 100th of a second
  - ms - millisecond -1000th of a second
  - us - microsecond - 100th of a second
  - ordered by wait time desc, waits desc (idle events
  last)
 
 
  Avg
 
  Total Wait   waitWaits
  Event   Waits   Timeouts
  Time (s)   (ms) /txn
    --
  -- -- 
  control file parallel write 5,499  0
 1,141207211.5
  log file parallel write 1,305  1,299
12  9 50.2
  db file parallel write162  0
 6 34  6.2
  log file switch completion 10  0
 2204  0.4
  control file sequential read3,827  0
 2  0147.2
  db file sequential read   176  0
 1  7  6.8
  direct path write  92  0
 1  6  3.5
  log file sync  14  0
 0 33  0.5
  log file single write  20  0
 0 13  0.8
  log file sequential read   35  0
 0  6  1.3
  direct path read   92  0
 0  2  3.5
  SQL*Net break/reset to clien   44  0
 0  0  1.7
  SQL*Net more data to client 7  0
 0  0  0.3
  async disk IO   4  0
 0  0  0.2
  virtual circuit status  6,826496
19,650   2879262.5
  wakeup time manager   530530
19,179  36187 20.4
  SQL*Net message from client 6,457  0
12,084   1871248.3
  jobq slave wait   402381
 1,227   3051 15.5
  SQL*Net message to client   6,458  0
 0  0248.4
 
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  - ordered by wait time desc, waits desc (idle events last)
 
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RE: !!Please Read - Oracle-L is moving!!

2004-01-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
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has my utmost respect for the work it takes to manage this huge list.

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   Nor read my first post on the matter. 
   
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   This is free service, so my thinking is, share the workload. 
   
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RE: !!Please Read - Oracle-L is moving!!

2004-01-29 Thread babette . turnerunderwood
Oops ... Had a typo in the second sentence
It should have read 

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I was AGREEING that the changing list addresses was a minimal amount of work compared 
to the amount that we get back out of this list resource.

I think Jared has been doing a great job. 
Not only as a listowner but often at times as a list moderator.
HOW does he find time to read ALL of those e-mails?

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the OT list is significantly smaller than this list and I clean
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has my utmost respect for the work it takes to manage this huge list.

It took me 3 seconds to send the first message to subscribe and less
than that to verify the subscription. Gee, that was way too much work.
NOT


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 minimal effort it took :-)
  
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   You sir, have obviously never done this. 
   
   I have.  :) 
   
   Nor read my first post on the matter. 
   
   No, it would not be easier, not by a long shot. 
   
   This is free service, so my thinking is, share the workload. 
   
   Jared 
   
   
   
   
   
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RE: !!Please Read - Oracle-L is moving!!

2004-01-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
I was agreeing with you. :)

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 It should have read 
 
 But if it clears out the dead subscribers, 
  perhaps we should CHANGE list addresses every 6 months ;-)
 
 I was AGREEING that the changing list addresses was a minimal amount
 of work compared to the amount that we get back out of this list
 resource.
 
 I think Jared has been doing a great job. 
 Not only as a listowner but often at times as a list moderator.
 HOW does he find time to read ALL of those e-mails?
 
 - Babette
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: 2004-01-28 2:00 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 the OT list is significantly smaller than this list and I clean
 addresses every 6 months or so. It's not easy being a list owner,
 Jared
 has my utmost respect for the work it takes to manage this huge list.
 
 It took me 3 seconds to send the first message to subscribe and less
 than that to verify the subscription. Gee, that was way too much
 work.
 NOT
 
 
 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I must disagree . . .  this resource is worth MUCH more than the
  minimal effort it took :-)
   
  But if it clears out the dead subscribers, 
  perhaps we should list addresses every 6 months ;-)
   
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RE: !!Please Read - Oracle-L is moving!!

2004-01-29 Thread babette . turnerunderwood
Phew, I would hate to have the Oracle Goddess in disagreement with me.

I have already had a bad enough day  Arguing with one of the other DBAs about how 
long a recovery took. (It was just testing that recovery would work... Proof of 
concept... Not testing for recovery timing AAAarrgh!)

- Babette


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I was agreeing with you. :)

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 the OT list is significantly smaller than this list and I clean
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Re: !!Please Read - Oracle-L is moving!!

2004-01-29 Thread Yechiel Adar
I really do not understand all this topic.
I just sent subscribe, reply to the message that I received and that's all.
Oh, yes, I had to update the e-mail address in my favorites. Another minute
down the drain.

Jared has enough work to do, without having to what is a minimal effort from
you.

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[Q] sql loader problem while load record more than one line???

2004-01-29 Thread dba1 mcc
We are migrate from MS Access to ORACLE(9.2.0.4) use
SQL*Loader.  The problem we have are some of MS Access
dump records (ASCII output) have to several lines(EOL
before end of record).  For example:

control file:

load data
infile 'data.asc'
into table test
fields terminated by ','optionally enclosed by ''
TRAILING NULLCOLS

(
   ID,
   comment
)


Data.asc file:
101, September 1, 2003 - Labor Day 
November 27, 2003 - Thanksgiving Day
November 28, 2003 - Day after Thanksgiving 
December 24, 2003 - Christmas Eve 
December 25, 2003 - Christmas Day
January 1, 2004 - New Year's Day
January 19, 2004 - Martin Luther Ki


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RE: [Q] sql loader problem while load record more than one line??

2004-01-29 Thread Nikhil Khimani
This is a hack but ... you might want to look into ftp-ing a file to Unix,
run a 'tr' or 'sed' to get rid of the EOL character.

Thanks,
 
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We are migrate from MS Access to ORACLE(9.2.0.4) use
SQL*Loader.  The problem we have are some of MS Access
dump records (ASCII output) have to several lines(EOL
before end of record).  For example:

control file:

load data
infile 'data.asc'
into table test
fields terminated by ','optionally enclosed by ''
TRAILING NULLCOLS

(
   ID,
   comment
)


Data.asc file:
101, September 1, 2003 - Labor Day 
November 27, 2003 - Thanksgiving Day
November 28, 2003 - Day after Thanksgiving 
December 24, 2003 - Christmas Eve 
December 25, 2003 - Christmas Day
January 1, 2004 - New Year's Day
January 19, 2004 - Martin Luther Ki


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Re: [Q] sql loader problem while load record more than one line???

2004-01-29 Thread Mladen Gogala
So, why don't you use migration workbench, when it's available?

On 01/29/2004 10:34:27 AM, dba1 mcc wrote:
We are migrate from MS Access to ORACLE(9.2.0.4) use
SQL*Loader.  The problem we have are some of MS Access
dump records (ASCII output) have to several lines(EOL
before end of record).  For example:
control file:

load data
infile 'data.asc'
into table test
fields terminated by ','optionally enclosed by ''
TRAILING NULLCOLS
(
   ID,
   comment
)
Data.asc file:
101, September 1, 2003 - Labor Day
November 27, 2003 - Thanksgiving Day
November 28, 2003 - Day after Thanksgiving
December 24, 2003 - Christmas Eve
December 25, 2003 - Christmas Day
January 1, 2004 - New Year's Day
January 19, 2004 - Martin Luther Ki
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RE: measuring TPM

2004-01-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
And these would be CPM (commits per minute) and RPM (rollbacks per minute).

If you really want a transaction, you have to code it yourself, otherwise all you can 
get is CPM and RPM.

If your transactions_per_minute ( or commits_per_minute) is low use this handy script 
to bump it up.

create table my_dual as select * from dual
/
begin
for i in 1 .. 1000
loop
  insert into my_dual values(i);
  commit;
  delete from my_dual;
  commit;
end loop;
end;
/

add salt and pepper to taste, serve with nice red wine, enjoy.

Raj

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Well, as you are well aware of, you cannot measure without
impacting. I know of the following methods:

1) Turn on auditing, count all transactions from dba_audit_trail
   table within a day and divide by the number of minutes in 9 hours.
   That will give you an average TPM number during the working hours.
   The problem is that auditing will impact the transaction rate.
2) Pick a single user, a chosen average Joe (or Josephine, to
   to avoid accusations for gender bias), create a logon trigger
   which will record user commits from v$sesstat and that will
   be the number of transactions. Divide by the number of minutes
   and multiply by the number of users on your system. The problem
   with this method is that it is usually very hard to pick up an
   average overall user of the system, so the whole thing is performed
   by department.
3) Count user commits in v$sysstat, which will count them system-wide.
   Divide by period.
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RE: [Q] sql loader problem while load record more than one line??

2004-01-29 Thread dba1 mcc
Thank you for answer.  I did not said clearly.  Most
records are fine.  ONly some records have this
problem.   
re-transfer from PC to UNIX will not fix problem.



--- Nikhil Khimani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is a hack but ... you might want to look into
 ftp-ing a file to Unix,
 run a 'tr' or 'sed' to get rid of the EOL character.
 
 Thanks,
  
 Nikhil 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:34 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 We are migrate from MS Access to ORACLE(9.2.0.4) use
 SQL*Loader.  The problem we have are some of MS
 Access
 dump records (ASCII output) have to several
 lines(EOL
 before end of record).  For example:
 
 control file:
 
 load data
 infile 'data.asc'
 into table test
 fields terminated by ','optionally enclosed by ''
 TRAILING NULLCOLS
 
 (
ID,
comment
 )
 
 
 Data.asc file:
 101, September 1, 2003 - Labor Day 
 November 27, 2003 - Thanksgiving Day
 November 28, 2003 - Day after Thanksgiving 
 December 24, 2003 - Christmas Eve 
 December 25, 2003 - Christmas Day
 January 1, 2004 - New Year's Day
 January 19, 2004 - Martin Luther Ki
 
 
 Does there has way to pass around?
 
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RE: What to look for in STATSPACK report

2004-01-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
I still go to www.oraperf.com and it still greets me with the same interface and 
provides the same services that it did before

Raj

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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:59 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



There certainly _was_ a site called http://oraperf.veritas.com

Hemant

At 05:59 AM 27-01-04 -0800, you wrote:
Anjo

So what was the deal with oraperf.veritas.com if you don't mind my asking?
I subscribed to it sometime before Christmas, but when I went to use it a
week or so ago, it had disappeared and I had to (re)subscribe to
www.oraperf.com.

--
David Lord



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  Sent: 27 January 2004 13:29
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: RE: What to look for in STATSPACK report
 
 
  No, the server is in my basement.
 
  Anjo.
 
  -Original Message-
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:44 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  that's pretty definitive. :)
 
  I did say retaining permanent ownership
 
  Is Veritas hosting it for you?
 
 
  --- Anjo Kolk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   No,
  
   It is mine!
  
   Anjo.
  
   -Original Message-
   Rachel Carmichael
   Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:49 AM
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  
  
   well, I can't get to the site at the moment to test it.. if
  I remember
   correctly, Anjo said he had leased it to Veritas for a couple of
   years, while retaining permanent ownership.
  
   On the other hand, he's on this list, he can confirm or deny that
   himself!
  
  
   --- Mogens_Nxrgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Tim,
   
Are you sure it's still owned by Veritas? Doesn't look that way
   when I
checked it just now.
   
Mogens
   
Tim Gorman wrote:
   
Helmut,

Register with http://www.oraperf.com; and run those STATSPACK
reports
through the YAPP analyzer, which will reformat them in such a way
that they
make sense.

All of the ratio stuff on the STATSPACK report is ignored by the
YAPP
analyzer, and instead the reformatting looks at things from the
standpoint
of response-time analysis, as described in the white papers at
http://www.oraperf.com/whitepapers.html;.

Yes, I know OraPerf is now owned by Veritas and the real URLs are
different,
but it'll always be just good old oraperf.com hopefully, no
   matter
who
Anjo works for...  :-)

Hope this helps...

-Tim


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Hi!

We want to introduce a performance monitoring policy
  here. We are
using the
STATSPACK utility.

What are sections in statspack reports to look for? What are
threshold
numbers for these values?

Does anybody have any power points or papers about it?

This is 9.2 on HP-UX.

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stored_outline issues

2004-01-29 Thread Fedock, John (KAM.RHQ)



I have been trying 
to get stored outlines to work.It seems simple enough, but it is working 
the exact oppositeas I think it should. Anyone else use these? 
I am on 8.1.7.4 on HP-UX 11.00 

In a nutshell, I 
verify my query is using the correct explain plan. I grant 'create any 
outline' to the users.

Then, I 
do:

alter system set 
use_stored_outlines = true

ALTER SESSION SET 
CREATE_STORED_OUTLINES=true;select * from edi_monitor_vw;ALTER SESSION 
SET CREATE_STORED_OUTLINES=false;

I can see the 
outline in DBA_OUTLINES and also in outln.ol$ 

If I open another 
session and run the query, it is NOT using the correct explain 
plan.

If I 'alter system 
set use_stored_outlines = false;' then the query uses the correct 
plan.

I also noticed that 
outline_category in v$sql is NULL. Does this mean that they outline 
is not being used? I assume not. 

Thanks 
all,

John



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RE: FW: pl/sql array processing?

2004-01-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
There is no simple way, What is important for you ... value of the element or the 
index of the element in the pl/sql table? Looks like the index of the element is 
important for you.

Tell us again what is the problem?  is it that you have too many array elements? where 
does the time goes? it should be in the execution of the function .. not in navigating 
from one element to next.

What version of oracle?
Raj

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Sorry I did not make it clear that the number I used here (1, 9, 15,99) are
just examples, the actual element index is a varible and they are not
continuous.  Yes, refTbl can be defined into a package.  I guess what I am
asking is if there is a way in pl/sql to do something like

-- FORALL array element indexes  (they are non-continuous)
 call a package function (parameter: element index)
-- end for

without looping the array.


-- orginal code:
declare
  type numTbl is table of number index by binary_integer;
  refTblnumTbl;
  i number;
  str   varchar2(30);
begin
  refTbl (1) := 1;
  refTbl (9) := 1;
  refTbl(15) := 1;
  refTbl(99) := 1;

  i := refTbl.first;
  while i is not null loop
dbms_output.put_line ('i=' || i);
str:= my_package.function(i);
i := refTbl.next(i);
  end loop;
end;
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On 01/27/2004 02:09:25 PM, Jesse, Rich wrote:
 Couldn't the declarations be put into a package?  We've done this in
 order
 to maintain values for the life of the session.

Yes, they could, I didn't see it in this example.
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Re: [Q] wait time /lob def

2004-01-29 Thread Barbara Baker
Jonathan / Tanel:
I, however, AM having this problem.  Didn't know where
to look till I saw this message.  (I love this list!)

I've yet to capture the sid (and therefore track back
to the table) where the 'direct path write' occurs. 
Definitions for the tables were supplied by the
vendor. When I look at at the lobs, the definitions
are mixed.  Most are nocache, logging yes.  some are
no/no

I don't see much on metalink about this -- just a
couple of generic articles on lob storage.

Should I change the lobs to cache/logging across the
board?

Thanks for any insight.
Barb

 Table
  NameCach LOG
   ---
CONTACTGROUP  NO   YES
CONTENT   NO   YES
IMAGEBINARY   NO   YES
IMAGEHEADER   NO   YES
IMAGEROW  NO   NO
IMPORTIN  NO   NO
TF_NEW_CONTENTNO   YES
XMLS_DICTIONARY   NO   YES
XMLS_SALESSUPPORT NO   NO
XMLS_STYLEPARTYES  YES

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  Do you have any LOBs defined with
  the nocache nologging attribute ?
 
 This was what I initially thought would be the
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 in case of nocache lobs you should see direct path
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Re: [Q] wait time /lob def

2004-01-29 Thread Jonathan Lewis

There is a note in one of the manuals about nologging 
lobs (or nocache lob, I forget which) that points out
that the unrecoverable SCN for file that holds the
LOB has to be updated in the control file whenever the
LOB is updated.

If you actually have a performance problem because of
this - i.e. if lots of people/processes are running slowly 
because they are waiting on control file writes - then
you might want to make the LOB cache/loggong.  But
control file writes are not inherently a bad thing to be
blocked.   Of course, if the LOBs are quite large, then
the time taken to write the LOB may be far greater 
than the time taken to update the controlfile - which
would make any concerns about the controlfile update
irrelevant. So there is no 'obvious' correct answer to
your question, without examing your current activity.

The note (which I think Steve Adams' also has on his
website) mentions an event that can be set to stop the
controlfile update when the LOB is updated.  This may
not be a good idea, though, as it may affect some 
aspects of recoverability.

If you do make the LOB 'cached', then remember that
all reads and writes go through the db_block_buffer,
which could affect all the other I/O activity adversely,
so you might want to consider putting the LOBs into
a tablespace with a non-standard block size so that
the LOB activity doesn't affect the rest of the cache.
(You do also have the option in more recent versions
of refining the caching properties so the LOB can be
readcache only, writecache only or read/write cache
or nocache, I believe).

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 I, however, AM having this problem.  Didn't know where
 to look till I saw this message.  (I love this list!)
 
 I've yet to capture the sid (and therefore track back
 to the table) where the 'direct path write' occurs. 
 Definitions for the tables were supplied by the
 vendor. When I look at at the lobs, the definitions
 are mixed.  Most are nocache, logging yes.  some are
 no/no
 
 I don't see much on metalink about this -- just a
 couple of generic articles on lob storage.
 
 Should I change the lobs to cache/logging across the
 board?
 
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Re: [Q] sql loader problem while load record more than one line???

2004-01-29 Thread Krishna Kakatur
You may want to add CONTINUEIF clause and try the load again

...
infile 'data.asc'
CONTINUEIF NEXT (1) != ''
into table test
...
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101, September 1, 2003 - Labor Day 
November 27, 2003 - Thanksgiving Day
November 28, 2003 - Day after Thanksgiving 
December 24, 2003 - Christmas Eve 
December 25, 2003 - Christmas Day
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RE: UNION ALL Query: Riddle

2004-01-29 Thread Jared Still
If what you are describing is completely accurate,
( no DML, change S_A_S fixes the problem ) then
it would appear you have encountered a bug.

A search on MetaLink is in order, and failing that,
you need to open a TAR.

Jared

On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 04:59, Wendry wrote:
 I have the same problem like you Rajesh, the query also gives different
 rowcount each time executed eventhough there's no one updating base
 tables, in my opinion it's because of the sorting operation (your group
 by clause). In my case after I remove some group functions, the result
 goes well. Also I reduce the use of order by clause where it's not
 needed.
 
 I still haven't found the exact solution to this problem. But just now
 I've tried to decrease the sort area size parameter value (I think I
 oversize it), and run the query again, the result goes stable with the
 problematic query but it runs slower. I haven't tried intensively, I try
 to do that tomorrow. Meanwhile if, there's any of the Gurus can give us
 clearer explanation, please do so... Thank you all in advance.
 
 Regards,
 
 Wendry.
 
 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:24 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 Hi Jared,
 Thanks for  your response. different results mean that number of
 records are different sometimes, and sometimes the some of the
 quantities are not correct. Your help is really appreciated.
  
 Thanks,
 Rajesh
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 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 Q:  What does different results mean? 
 
 Different row count? 
 
 Completely different data? 
 
 Partially different data? 
 
 Some columns have incorrect value? 
 
 What about doing it without the parallel hints?  The tables aren't 
 so big that it would take a long time to find out. 
 
 Jared 
 
 
 
 
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 Subject:UNION ALL Query: Riddle
 
 
 
 Hi All,
 The following query is giving different results in each
 run. I assure that no data modified between consecutive runs - 
 INSERT /* append parallel (z,8) */
  INTO some_table 
 (SELECT /*parallel (a,8) */
 a.item,
  a.loc,
  SUM(a.qty_type_1),
  SUM(a.qty_type_2)
 FROM
  (select  /*parallel (x,8) */
item,
loc,
qty_type_1,
to_number(NULL)  

  from
table_a x
  UNION ALL 
  select /*parallel (y,8) */
item,
loc,
to_number(NULL),
qty_type_2  

  from
table_b y
  ) a
 GROUP BY
  a.item,
  a.loc);
 
 Additional info - 
 
 Number of records in table_a and table_b is around 3M and 6M.
 
 SQL select * from v$version;
 
 BANNER
 
 Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.7.2.0 - Production
 PL/SQL Release 8.1.7.2.0 - Production
 CORE8.1.7.0.0   Production
 TNS for Solaris: Version 8.1.7.2.0 - Production
 NLSRTL Version 3.4.1.0.0 - Production
 
 I would appreciate any help in solving this mystery and all hints are
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Re: merge command ???

2004-01-29 Thread Jonathan Lewis

Can't do it (until version 10)

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 to do anything, I tried NULL, not working.  Thank you!
 
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  ON (c3.caption_id = c1.caption_id) 
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Date Format: Mystery

2004-01-29 Thread Pillai, Rajesh
Hi All,
See the following - 

1) select to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS AM') from dual;
result = 2004-01-29 12:52:06 PM


2) select to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD HH24:MI: AM') from dual;
result = 2004-01-29 12:52:2020 PM

3) select to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS AM') from dual;
ORA-01821: date format not recognized

4) select to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD HH24:MI: AM') from dual;
ORA-01821: date format not recognized

5) select to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS AM') from dual;
result = 2004-01-29 12:53:4643946439 PM

What does it mean? If I want to see the 10th part of the second or 100th part of the 
second, Is it poosible?

I would appreciate all your hints.

Thanks,
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Re: [Q] wait time /lob def

2004-01-29 Thread Jared . Still

That is an interesting use of an alternate block size Jonathan.








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There is a note in one of the manuals about nologging 
lobs (or nocache lob, I forget which) that points out
that the unrecoverable SCN for file that holds the
LOB has to be updated in the control file whenever the
LOB is updated.

If you actually have a performance problem because of
this - i.e. if lots of people/processes are running slowly 
because they are waiting on control file writes - then
you might want to make the LOB cache/loggong. But
control file writes are not inherently a bad thing to be
blocked.  Of course, if the LOBs are quite large, then
the time taken to write the LOB may be far greater 
than the time taken to update the controlfile - which
would make any concerns about the controlfile update
irrelevant. So there is no 'obvious' correct answer to
your question, without examing your current activity.

The note (which I think Steve Adams' also has on his
website) mentions an event that can be set to stop the
controlfile update when the LOB is updated. This may
not be a good idea, though, as it may affect some 
aspects of recoverability.

If you do make the LOB 'cached', then remember that
all reads and writes go through the db_block_buffer,
which could affect all the other I/O activity adversely,
so you might want to consider putting the LOBs into
a tablespace with a non-standard block size so that
the LOB activity doesn't affect the rest of the cache.
(You do also have the option in more recent versions
of refining the caching properties so the LOB can be
readcache only, writecache only or read/write cache
or nocache, I believe).

Regards

Jonathan Lewis
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Starting Database from OEM 9.2 gives ORA-12500 Failed to start a dedicated ....

2004-01-29 Thread Dharminder Softhome
Hey all,
Following is the environment.
Windows 2000
Oracle Enterprise 9.2,
OEM 9.2

I have two 9.2 database installed on my system. OEM is configured properly.
One of the database is in automatic startmode and this DB contains OEM
repository.

I start the machine, open OEM, login to OEM and then try to start the other
database, but it does not start the DB, instead I get
ORA-12500 Failed to start a dedicated

OEM doc says that with OEM, you can start/shutdown the database using OEM.
Can someone point to me what I am doing wrong. I am using sys
username/password for the startup of the second database.

Thanks.


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Re[2]: merge command ???

2004-01-29 Thread Jonathan Gennick
 Hi, for Merge command, how to specify if matched, not
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Re: [Q] wait time /lob def

2004-01-29 Thread Tanel Poder
Jonathan,

about which version are you talking here?

 (You do also have the option in more recent versions
 of refining the caching properties so the LOB can be
 readcache only, writecache only or read/write cache
 or nocache, I believe).

I haven't found a way to explicitly set read or write caching for LOBs in
system level, although I've done some research on them lately (on 10g as
well). Or are you talking about OCI LOB caching here?

Tanel.


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Re: Date Format: Mystery

2004-01-29 Thread Carel-Jan Engel


Rajesh,
A look into the docs might help you:
In date-format SS means seconds as of the seconds 00-59 in a 
minute.
S means seconds since midnight, thus 0 - 86399
Compiling the statement the longest part is recocnized first.
So:
SS give 06 in your first example.
 gives 20, but twice: 2020
SS consists of the S part, followed by an unrecocnized single S:
error
 consists of S, followed by SS, followed by an unrecognized
S: error
SS is S S, so the result is 46439 46439.
Regards, Carel-Jan

At 10:29 PM 1/29/2004, you wrote:
Hi All,
See the
following - 
1) select to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS AM') from dual;
result = 2004-01-29 12:52:06 PM

2) select to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD HH24:MI: AM') from dual;
result = 2004-01-29 12:52:2020 PM
3) select to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS AM') from 
dual;
ORA-01821: date format not recognized
4) select to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD HH24:MI: AM') from
dual;
ORA-01821: date format not recognized
5) select to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS AM') from
dual;
result = 2004-01-29 12:53:4643946439 PM
What does it mean? If I want to see the 10th part of the second or 100th
part of the second, Is it poosible?
I would appreciate all your hints.
Thanks,
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RE: Date Format: Mystery

2004-01-29 Thread Pillai, Rajesh



Carel-Jan,
 This explanation helps. Thanks a 
lot. 

 Could you also answer if displaying 
centiseconds or milliseconds or 1/10th of a second in oracle is possible or 
not

Thanks,
Rajesh

  -Original Message-From: Carel-Jan Engel 
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  Re: Date Format: MysteryRajesh,A 
  look into the docs might help you:In date-format SS means seconds as 
  of the seconds 00-59 in a minute.S means seconds since midnight, thus 
  0 - 86399Compiling the statement the longest part is recocnized 
  first.So:SS give 06 in your first example. gives 
  20, but twice: 2020SS consists of the S part, followed by an 
  unrecocnized single S: error consists of S, followed by 
  SS, followed by an unrecognized S: errorSS is S S, so 
  the result is 46439 46439.Regards, Carel-JanAt 10:29 
  PM 1/29/2004, you wrote:
  Hi 
All,See 
the following - 1) select to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS 
AM') from dual;result = 2004-01-29 12:52:06 PM2) select 
to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD HH24:MI: AM') from dual;result = 
2004-01-29 12:52:2020 PM3) select to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD 
HH24:MI:SS AM') from dual;ORA-01821: date format not 
recognized4) select to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD HH24:MI: 
AM') from dual;ORA-01821: date format not recognized5) select 
to_char(sysdate,'-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS AM') from dual;result = 
2004-01-29 12:53:4643946439 PMWhat does it mean? If I want to see 
the 10th part of the second or 100th part of the second, Is it 
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Re: [Q] wait time /lob def

2004-01-29 Thread Tanel Poder
Comments below.

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 Jonathan / Tanel:
 I, however, AM having this problem.  Didn't know where
 to look till I saw this message.  (I love this list!)

So do I ;)


 I've yet to capture the sid (and therefore track back
 to the table) where the 'direct path write' occurs.
 Definitions for the tables were supplied by the
 vendor. When I look at at the lobs, the definitions
 are mixed.  Most are nocache, logging yes.  some are
 no/no

 I don't see much on metalink about this -- just a
 couple of generic articles on lob storage.

If you are up to attending RMOUG Training days in few weeks, then I'll be
speaking about LOB performance tuning there, you're most welcome ;)


 Should I change the lobs to cache/logging across the
 board?

Well, if you set all your LOBs to CACHE (cached LOBs are always logged),
then you'll be generating more redo for current nocache nologging LOBs as
well. Also, your buffer cache gets hit, especially if your LOBs are big.

One possibility is setting event 10359 at level 1 to what Jonathan also
referred, then your direct writes won't cause controlfile updates anymore.
But when you have set this event, you can't rely on UNRECOVERABLE_CHANGE# in
your V$DATAFILE anymore, for determining whether a datafile should be backed
up due nologging operations in it.

If you should ever need to restore a file containing NOLOGGING NOCACHE LOBs,
then any inconsistent blocks will be marked corrupt (block sqn=0xFF) since
there was no redo information logged for them. In that case you have update
the corrupt LOBs to nulls for example to reclaim the space in LOB segment.
Note that having few corrupt LOB items in a LOB segment won't affect other,
healthy LOB items, you just have to have some kind of error handling
mechanism implemented when you hit a corrupt item.

Note that updates to LOB indexes are always cached and logged, despite the
NOLOGGING setting.

Tanel.



 Thanks for any insight.
 Barb

  Table
   NameCach LOG
    ---
 CONTACTGROUP  NO   YES
 CONTENT   NO   YES
 IMAGEBINARY   NO   YES
 IMAGEHEADER   NO   YES
 IMAGEROW  NO   NO
 IMPORTIN  NO   NO
 TF_NEW_CONTENTNO   YES
 XMLS_DICTIONARY   NO   YES
 XMLS_SALESSUPPORT NO   NO
 XMLS_STYLEPARTYES  YES

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   Do you have any LOBs defined with
   the nocache nologging attribute ?
 
  This was what I initially thought would be the
  problem, but then I thought,
  in case of nocache lobs you should see direct path
  writes (lob) a lot...
 
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Re: [Q] wait time /lob def

2004-01-29 Thread Barbara Baker
Thanks, Tanel.
Yes, I'll be at RMOUG.
I'll be in the front row for your presentation.

Again, thanks for the info.
Barb

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  Jonathan / Tanel:
  I, however, AM having this problem.  Didn't know
 where
  to look till I saw this message.  (I love this
 list!)
 
 So do I ;)
 
 
  I've yet to capture the sid (and therefore track
 back
  to the table) where the 'direct path write'
 occurs.
  Definitions for the tables were supplied by the
  vendor. When I look at at the lobs, the
 definitions
  are mixed.  Most are nocache, logging yes.  some
 are
  no/no
 
  I don't see much on metalink about this -- just a
  couple of generic articles on lob storage.
 
 If you are up to attending RMOUG Training days in
 few weeks, then I'll be
 speaking about LOB performance tuning there, you're
 most welcome ;)
 
 
  Should I change the lobs to cache/logging across
 the
  board?
 
 Well, if you set all your LOBs to CACHE (cached LOBs
 are always logged),
 then you'll be generating more redo for current
 nocache nologging LOBs as
 well. Also, your buffer cache gets hit, especially
 if your LOBs are big.
 
 One possibility is setting event 10359 at level 1 to
 what Jonathan also
 referred, then your direct writes won't cause
 controlfile updates anymore.
 But when you have set this event, you can't rely on
 UNRECOVERABLE_CHANGE# in
 your V$DATAFILE anymore, for determining whether a
 datafile should be backed
 up due nologging operations in it.
 
 If you should ever need to restore a file containing
 NOLOGGING NOCACHE LOBs,
 then any inconsistent blocks will be marked
 corrupt (block sqn=0xFF) since
 there was no redo information logged for them. In
 that case you have update
 the corrupt LOBs to nulls for example to reclaim the
 space in LOB segment.
 Note that having few corrupt LOB items in a LOB
 segment won't affect other,
 healthy LOB items, you just have to have some kind
 of error handling
 mechanism implemented when you hit a corrupt item.
 
 Note that updates to LOB indexes are always cached
 and logged, despite the
 NOLOGGING setting.
 
 Tanel.
 
 
 
  Thanks for any insight.
  Barb
 
   Table
NameCach LOG
     ---
  CONTACTGROUP  NO   YES
  CONTENT   NO   YES
  IMAGEBINARY   NO   YES
  IMAGEHEADER   NO   YES
  IMAGEROW  NO   NO
  IMPORTIN  NO   NO
  TF_NEW_CONTENTNO   YES
  XMLS_DICTIONARY   NO   YES
  XMLS_SALESSUPPORT NO   NO
  XMLS_STYLEPARTYES  YES
 
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Do you have any LOBs defined with
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   This was what I initially thought would be the
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 path
   writes (lob) a lot...
  
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