Sun cluster vs Veritas cluster

2001-07-24 Thread KC




List,

Just wondering if anyone on the list who had 
experience on both Sun clustering and Veritas clustering software share their 
experience on both products, strength and weakness or any 
comparison??

KC


Re: disk corruption?

2001-06-28 Thread KC

Jerry,

We had this problem recently on Solaris 2.6 and Oracle 8.0.5, Oracle
initially said upgrade to the 8.0.5.2 patch will fix the problem, we ended
up upgraded to the 8.0.6.2 to get rid of the problem. Anita is right about
the datafile is still intact, it just a read error, you can run dbv to
verify it.

KC


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Date: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:30 AM


Jerry,

If you're on 8.0.x and file 9 is  2GB then it's a
known bug (774252) when a read crosses the 2GB
boundary.

The datafile is not corrupt, Oracle is merely unable
to read it properly.

It wasn't fixed in any of the patchsets, but there are
PSE's (patchset exceptions) for most 8.0.x versions.
Log a tar with support to get the right one for your
specific RDBMS version.

HTH,

-- Anita

--- Jerry C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm getting a disk error:

 ORA-01115: IO error reading block from file 9 (block
 # 262144)
 ORA-01110: data file 9:
 '/orafiles/data01/xlepmprd/ewlarge.dbf'
 ORA-27072: skgfdisp: I/O error
 SVR4 Error: 25: Inappropriate ioctl for device
 Additional information: 262143

 My sysadmin tells me that the disk is ok, since
 there are no errors in
 /var/adm/messages (I didn't see any, either). Is
 there a way to verify that
 the disk is free of errors?? Any other log files to
 look at? The platform is
 Sun:

 SunOS msubxm01 5.6 Generic_105181-12 sun4u sparc
 SUNW,Ultra-4


 Thanks!

 Jerry






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direct I/O with VxFS

2001-06-27 Thread KC




Dear list,

Our shop is running Solaris 2.6, Oracle database 
8.0.6 and Veritas VxFS file system. At present, all database file access thru 
the file system buffer cache, we decided to use the direct I/O mount option with 
VxFS for performance reason. There is one issue I am not sure about and hope 
someone on the list can give me a pointer, access database file thu the file 
system buffer cache gives us read ahead advantage, with direct I/O I 
think what you read is what you get (no read ahead functionality), is this an 
issue?? If it is an issue, how do you deal with it?? WIth file system buffer 
cache, I think the database block size should be the same as file system 
buffer size and file system block size is irrelevant to how much system read or 
write, is this still true under direct I/O, I am not sure what dictate how much 
data to read or write??

KC


Re: direct I/O with VxFS

2001-06-27 Thread KC

Connor,

Thanks for your input. I agreed with you on what you said about the cache,
however what I was asking is the read-ahead that the file system provided,
for a physical read request, the file system actually read more blocks into
the buffer, so the next physical read request can be satisfied from memory.
I was wondering with direct I/O, is this still true?? Does VxFS read-ahead
when it process a read request?? May be there is no such thing as read-ahead
or it is irrelevant in this context, please correct me if my question
doesn't make any sense!

KC


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Date: Thursday, June 28, 2001 1:27 AM


The argument for direct io is that if you already have
a large cache (the oracle one), then its not much use
having a second copy of that cache (the unix one) -
that memory could possibly be better used elsewhere
(supporting more users, large sort sizes etc etc etc)

So having direct io is giving more of the caching
responsibility to the oracle buffer cache.

hth
connor

 --- KC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Dear list,

 Our shop is running Solaris 2.6, Oracle database
 8.0.6 and Veritas VxFS file system. At present, all
 database file access thru the file system buffer
 cache, we decided to use the direct I/O mount option
 with VxFS for performance reason. There is one issue
 I am not sure about and hope someone on the list can
 give me a pointer, access database file thu the file
 system buffer cache gives us read ahead advantage,
 with direct I/O I think what you read is what you
 get (no read ahead functionality), is this an
 issue?? If it is an issue, how do you deal with it??
 WIth file system buffer cache, I think  the database
 block size should be the same as file system buffer
 size and file system block size is irrelevant to how
 much system read or write, is this still true under
 direct I/O, I am not sure what dictate how much data
 to read or write??

 KC


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Re: What the difference between qio and direct I/O option in VxFS

2001-06-20 Thread KC

Connor,

You have confirmed what I believed to be true, you don't need the Veritas
database edition for direct I/O. Just need to convince our SysAdmin now.

KC


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Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 5:44 PM



Direct I/O is enabled simply be specifying in the
mount options in /etc/vfstab (on Solaris).  You can do
it even with standard ufs volumes.  As long as you
have vxfs then you can also have vxfs with direct IO

Quick I/O is the separately licensed bit I think - it
should also outperform Direct I/O.

Still - I'm a fan of raw over either...

Cheers
Connor

--- KC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Connor,

 Thanks for the info. Is Direct I/O licensed with the
 Veritas Volume manager
 or the Database edition?? We want to be able to
 avoid double buffering,
 sound like Direct I/O is what we want, however our
 SysAdmin insisted that we
 need to purchase the Database edition, I thought
 Direct I/O came with the
 VxFS file system, maybe the SysAdmin confused Direct
 I/O to raw ,please
 clarify??

 KC


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 Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 2:53 AM


 
 Direct IO is the capacity to perform operations
 without the data being passed through the Unix
 buffer
 cache (it goes straight to/from the disks to the
 Oracle buffer cache)
 
 Quick IO is Veritas's simulation of raw datafiles -
 it
 presents the file to Oracle as if it were raw.
 
 hth
 connor
 
 --- KC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Dear List,
 
  What the difference between qio and direct I/O
  option in Veritas file system VxFS??
 
  KC
 
 
 
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Re: Disk configuration

2001-06-20 Thread KC

Connor,

It would be easy if I am the SysAdmin, our Mr. Unix here doesn't like raw
just because he can't see the files in the file system. I am just exploring
different ways to stripe the disk, I noticed that we made one subdisk for
each disk and stripe the volume on them. This is quite different to the
places I worked before, people create subdisks on the outer and inner tracks
of the disk and stripe one volume on the outer tracks subdisk and another
for the inner tracks, I assumed people do that for performance reason, any
ideal on issue you will have for having one subdisk per disk? I agreed that
raw is the best in term of performance.

KC

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Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:04 PM


If you are going to that level for performance
reasons, I would seriously consider using raw
partitions to avoid the issue.

hth
connor

--- KC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Kevin,

 Thanks for your input. I was trying to put certain
 datafiles on contiguous disk space, tell me if I am
 wrong, I try to avoid the situation where you want
 to create a 2G file, but the file system don't have
 a 2G contiguous space, so your flle is broken into
 multiple pieces, can that happen??

 KC
 -Original Message-
 From: Kevin Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 1:22 AM
 Subject: RE: Disk configuration


 It all depends on what kind of os/filesystem/and
 disks you have.   I know that under AIX, using SSA
 drives we could actually tell where on the disk we
 wanted the filesystem to go.  This way we could
 position certain things in the faster location.

 But personally, I would not go thru the trouble.

 I have never had a DB slowdown so far because of
 placement on the drive.   Admittadly, I have had
 probelms based on putting conflicting tables/indexes
 on the same drive  you want to keep things that
 could be access simultaneously on  different media.
 But other than that   no other conflicts.
 -Original Message-
 From: KC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:36 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Disk configuration


 Dear List,

 Someone told me when a disk receive a write
 request, it write to the nearest free space on disk
 where the disk read/write head is currently
 positioning, is this information correct?? If this
 is true, is this a bad thing for database
 application?? That mean we can't really control
 where the file go, for performance purpose we may
 want to put certain files on the outer tracks of a
 disk, if the write location is depending on where
 the read/write head is, how can we avoid that, can
 we create subdisks from the outer track of a disk
 and create a logical volume from it??

 KC



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What the difference between qio and direct I/O option in VxFS

2001-06-19 Thread KC




Dear List,

What the difference between qio and direct I/O 
option in Veritas file system VxFS??

KC


Disk configuration

2001-06-19 Thread KC




Dear List,

Someone told me when a disk receive a 
write request, it write to the nearest free space on disk where the disk 
read/write head is currently positioning, is this information correct?? If this 
is true, is this a bad thing for database application?? That mean we can't 
really control where the file go, for performance purpose we may want to put 
certain files on the outer tracks of a disk, if the write location is depending 
on where the read/write head is, how can we avoid that, can we create subdisks 
from the outer track of a disk and create a logical volume from 
it??

KC


Re: What the difference between qio and direct I/O option in VxFS

2001-06-19 Thread KC

Connor,

Thanks for the info. Is Direct I/O licensed with the Veritas Volume manager
or the Database edition?? We want to be able to avoid double buffering,
sound like Direct I/O is what we want, however our SysAdmin insisted that we
need to purchase the Database edition, I thought Direct I/O came with the
VxFS file system, maybe the SysAdmin confused Direct I/O to raw ,please
clarify??

KC


-Original Message-
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 2:53 AM



Direct IO is the capacity to perform operations
without the data being passed through the Unix buffer
cache (it goes straight to/from the disks to the
Oracle buffer cache)

Quick IO is Veritas's simulation of raw datafiles - it
presents the file to Oracle as if it were raw.

hth
connor

--- KC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Dear List,

 What the difference between qio and direct I/O
 option in Veritas file system VxFS??

 KC



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Re: Disk configuration

2001-06-19 Thread KC




Chris,

I agreed with what you said, however sometimes you 
want to put the file in certain location when the file is first created, any 
ideal??

KC



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Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 
Wednesday, June 20, 2001 1:15 AMSubject: RE: Disk 
configuration
As 
that person if Santa exists.

The datafiles allocate their extents upon their creation, so a new 
insert will write within that space, 

Walking on water and developing 
software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. 
Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot 

-Original Message-From: KC 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 
10:36 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: Disk configuration
Dear List,

Someone told me when a disk 
receive a write request, it write to the nearest free space on disk 
where the disk read/write head is currently positioning, is this 
information correct?? If this is true, is this a bad thing for database 
application?? That mean we can't really control where the file go, for 
performance purpose we may want to put certain files on the outer tracks 
of a disk, if the write location is depending on where the read/write 
head is, how can we avoid that, can we create subdisks from the outer 
track of a disk and create a logical volume from it??

KC


Re: Disk configuration

2001-06-19 Thread KC




Kevin,

Thanks for your input. I was trying to put certain 
datafiles on contiguous disk space, tell me if I am wrong, I try to avoid the 
situation where you want to create a 2G file, but the file system don't have a 
2G contiguous space, so your flle is broken into multiple pieces, can that 
happen??

KC

-Original Message-From: 
Kevin Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Multiple 
recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 
Wednesday, June 20, 2001 1:22 AMSubject: RE: Disk 
configuration
It 
all depends on what kind of os/filesystem/and disks you have. I 
know that under AIX, using SSA drives we could actually tell where on the 
disk we wanted the filesystem to go. This way we could position 
certain things in the faster location. 

But personally, I would not go thru the trouble.

I 
have never had a DB slowdown so far because of placement on the 
drive. Admittadly, I have had probelms based on putting 
conflicting tables/indexes on the same drive  you want to keep things 
that could be access simultaneously on different media. But 
other than that  no other conflicts.

-Original Message-From: KC 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 
9:36 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: Disk configuration
Dear List,

Someone told me when a disk 
receive a write request, it write to the nearest free space on disk 
where the disk read/write head is currently positioning, is this 
information correct?? If this is true, is this a bad thing for database 
application?? That mean we can't really control where the file go, for 
performance purpose we may want to put certain files on the outer tracks 
of a disk, if the write location is depending on where the read/write 
head is, how can we avoid that, can we create subdisks from the outer 
track of a disk and create a logical volume from it??

KC


Filesystem block size

2001-06-13 Thread KC




Dear list,

We are using Veritas filesystem, I try to find the 
filesystem block size by using fstype -v device and df -g, they both 
gave me 8K. Is the two commands reporting on the same thing or it is just happen 
to be the same??

KC


F45webm memory usage

2001-06-06 Thread KC




Dear list,

We are Oracle Apps site, one of the 
problem we are having is memory leak with f45webm processes. We had 4G of memory 
on the web server tier where the Form server run, when we run the prtmem 
command, it reported that 3.5G was used by user (application), using the memps 
command I can see the private area (I think this is the heap area of the 
process) of the f45webm is chewing up a lot of memory. We had opened tar with 
Oracle Support and applied all the patches suggested and also upgrade to the 
latest Form patchset, nothing seem to bring down the heap size. I further 
investigated and found something which I couldn't make sense of, I observed the 
paging rate and scan rate using sar throughout the day, there was not much 
happening, just a tiny bit of paging activities, if the box is using 3.5G of 
4G, I would expected to see a lot of paging and scanning activities. Is 
anyone out there have similar problem with f45webm memory usage. I remembered 
reading something about Oracle server process do not release heap memory when it 
was done with it, it was up to the OS to reclaim it. In order words, the heap 
side shown is not really what is being used, sort of like a high water mark. 
Would the f45webm processes exhibits similar behaviour?? Also the prtmem and 
memps command, the number they displayed represent virtual or physical memory? I 
got a feeling is virtual because the total size included shared as well, 
but my SA said it is physical memory, any ideal??

KC


Difference in speed of sorting using index and non-index column in the order by

2001-06-05 Thread KC




Dear list,

Someone ask me when Oracle is doing a 
sort, will it make a difference if we use indexed column and non-indexes column 
in the order by clause, my initial thinking was index only speed up the 
retrieval of data from disk, Oracle probably using other algorithm in 
sorting records, so indexing is not relevant in that case. Can someone shed 
light on this question.

KC


Re: TUSC and Kevin Loney

2001-06-05 Thread KC

Just wondering if Steve joined TUSC, will there be no Steve Adams on the
list and ixora on the net??


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Date: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:52 AM


Hi All,

No, I'm waiting for Henry to announce the details of the commercial DBA
union!
The pre-announcement is at http://www.lazydba.com/xcomment.pl?discussions:6

@   Regards,
@   Steve Adams
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PS. This is a joke for the benefit of those who have been following the
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What about Steve Adams, does somebody know whether he joined some big
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async I/O with DB writer and LOG writer

2001-04-25 Thread KC





Dear list,

I recently discussed the effect of 
using async I/O with DB writer and LOG writer with someone, I was told that 
async I/O is more beneficial to DB writer than LOG writer, what is your 
opinion?? Can the difference be quantify?? I thought aysnc I/O with DB 
writer can be compensated by multiple DB writers, is there any comparison 
between the two??

KC


OFF TOPIC: load average figure in TOP

2001-03-02 Thread KC




Dear list,

The load average figure shown in top, 
does it represent average number of running jobs or running jobs + jobs ready to 
be run. One of my machine had 4 CPU, sometimes the load average is  10, so I 
guess the load average number is not just running jobs. Any ideal??

Kam


OFF TOPIC: How to find lib search order for executable under Sun solaris

2001-03-01 Thread KC




Dear list,

In HP-UX, one can do a chatr to find out the lib 
search order of an executable, is there a corresponding command under Sun 
Solaris. Also, can someone tell me how nmliblist is used when relink Oracle 
under Sun?? Thanks

Kam




Unix: File cache size on Solaris

2001-02-20 Thread KC




Dear List,

We are running Oracle on Solaris 2.6, I am new to 
Solaris env and wondering anyone can explain to me on the 
following:

We have 6G of memory on the Sun E5500 server, when 
I do a prtmem command, I notice the size for File Cache is about 
3.9G big and 100M free space. I was curious about what is taking up all the 
space, our Unix admin explained to me that under Solaris, the OS will grep any 
free memory as unix buffer and give it back to process when needed and we can't 
configure how much memory Solaris keep as unix buffer. I remember under HP-UX, 
you can keep a limit on how much memory the OS can keep under buffer cache. In 
our case, will such a large pool of buffer cache has any performance impact, 
Solaris must spend a lot of time maintaining this pool and also it probably very 
expensive to allocate and deallocate buffer between OS and user processes. Any 
ideal??

KC