rman expired vs obsolete
Hi, I'm getting a little confused between expired backups and obsolete backups. As I understand it, expired means the backups are no longer on disk. Obsolete means the backup is too old(?). Since I have a data ware house, I only have room on disk for 1 backup. Prior to running my weekly backup, do I issue a Delete Expired or Delete Obsolete, to remove last weeks backup that is currently on disk. Thanks Randy -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Steiner, Randy INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RMAN restore to different machine
I have an online backup of my 9i production database on CD. I want to restore it to my home PC, which has a completely different file structure and an empty database. I did the backup with rman. I spent most of Saturday trying this and can not even get rman to look at the backup set on the CD. I'd be real happy if someone can just explain how to restore the spfile and the control file. Thanks Randy -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Steiner, Randy INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
modeling year and month for summary data
I have a table that will contain sales monthly summary. I am not sure which is the better way to handle the date of the data. I can create a year field and a month field or I can create a date field and force in the day e.g. 2003 November's data can be 01-Nov-03 . Is there a censuses on which way to handle the date? Thanks Randy -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Steiner, Randy INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
why so many log switches?
I have a table with 40 million rows. Daily I load about 70,000 records into it. Each record is 128 characters wide. The flat file the data comes in is 9 megs. My redo logs are 20 megs each and I have 3 groups of them. When I load the data, the alert log shows 29 log switches which generates a lot of archives logs. Why am I getting so many log switches? I would think that if the OS file is 9 megs and the redo logs are 20, I would at most get 1 log switch. Thanks, Randy -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Steiner, Randy INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: why so many log switches?
I have 5 indexes on that table, 3 of them are concatenated indexes. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: why so many log switches? Those redo could be because of indexes? How many indexes do you have on your 40 million row table? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 2:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a table with 40 million rows. Daily I load about 70,000 records into it. Each record is 128 characters wide. The flat file the data comes in is 9 megs. My redo logs are 20 megs each and I have 3 groups of them. When I load the data, the alert log shows 29 log switches which generates a lot of archives logs. Why am I getting so many log switches? I would think that if the OS file is 9 megs and the redo logs are 20, I would at most get 1 log switch. Thanks, Randy -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Steiner, Randy INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Steiner, Randy INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: using obfuscation
I do have an index on the unencrypted SENSITIVE_DATA. Does it look something like select * from original_table where decrypt(sensitive_data) = 'CLEAR TEXT' Yes but the call to decrypt(sensitive_data) is embedded in the view. An index on the function means the unencrypted sensitive data is still in the index. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 6:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: using obfuscation Randy, Do you have an index on SENSITIVE_DATA? Also, you didn't include the long running query. Does it look something like select * from original_table where decrypt(sensitive_data) = 'CLEAR TEXT' ? That requires a full table scan, unless you build a functional index with the clear text of the sensitive_data. But if you do that, your data won't really be secure, as the clear text will now be in an index. Jared Steiner, Randy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/09/2002 02:43 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:using obfuscation Hi all, I have downloaded the Metalink Notes on implementing dbms_obfuscation. I am using multiple front ends on the database, so the way I plan to implement the de-encryption is with a de-encrypt function in a view. Create View my_data AS Select de_encrypt(sensitive_data) AS sensitive_data ,other_data FROM original_table ; If I select from the view with a where clause on other_data, the response time is fine. If I select from the view with a where clause on sensitive_data, I do a full table scan and which takes about 15 minutes. The de-encrypt function is copied from a Metalink note, nothing fancy. Since I have various front ends, I can not de-encrypt the data in the front end. The only way I can think of is with the function in a view, but the response time is unacceptable. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Thanks Randy -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Steiner, Randy INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Steiner, Randy INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: using obfuscation
Don,
It seems like a real good idea, but what am I putting inside my call to the
encrypt function in my Create View statement?
Randy
-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:13 AM
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Subject:Re: using obfuscation
File: Card for Don Jerman What about...
create view my_data as select de_encrypt(sensitive_data) as
clear_sensitive_data where
sensitive_data = encrypt('CLEAR TEXT') ?
This lets you create an index on the sensitive data without decrypting it,
and
the function need only be called once on the clear text.
Caveat: no idea if this should work :)
Steiner, Randy wrote:
Hi all,
I have downloaded the Metalink Notes on implementing dbms_obfuscation. I
am
using multiple front ends on the database, so the way I plan to implement
the de-encryption is with a de-encrypt function in a view.
Create View my_data
AS
Select de_encrypt(sensitive_data) AS sensitive_data
,other_data
FROM original_table
;
If I select from the view with a where clause on other_data, the response
time is fine. If I select from the view with a where clause on
sensitive_data, I do a full table scan and which takes about 15 minutes.
The de-encrypt function is copied from a Metalink note, nothing fancy.
Since I have various front ends, I can not de-encrypt the data in the
front
end. The only way I can think of is with the function in a view, but the
response time is unacceptable. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Thanks
Randy
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RE: using obfuscation
Title: RE: using obfuscation
Wouldnt
that store the sensitive data in the index?
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Can you create a Function based index on
that column? That could be of use ...
Raj
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-Original Message-
From: Steiner, Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:58 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: using obfuscation
Don,
It seems like a real good idea, but what
am I putting inside my call to the
encrypt function in my Create View statement?
Randy
-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:13 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: using
obfuscation
File: Card for Don Jerman
What about...
create view my_data as select de_encrypt(sensitive_data)
as
clear_sensitive_data where
sensitive_data = encrypt('CLEAR TEXT') ?
This lets you create an index on the
sensitive data without decrypting it,
and
the function need only be called once on the clear text.
Caveat: no idea if this should work :)
Steiner, Randy wrote:
Hi all,
I have downloaded the Metalink Notes on implementing
dbms_obfuscation. I
am
using multiple front ends on the database, so the way I plan
to implement
the de-encryption is with a de-encrypt function in a view.
Create View my_data
AS
Select de_encrypt(sensitive_data) AS sensitive_data
,other_data
FROM original_table
;
If I select from the view with a where clause on other_data,
the response
time is fine. If I select from the view with a where clause
on
sensitive_data, I do a full table scan and which takes about
15 minutes.
The de-encrypt function is copied from a Metalink note,
nothing fancy.
Since I have various front ends, I can not de-encrypt the
data in the
front
end. The only way I can think of is with the function
in a view, but the
response time is unacceptable. Does anyone have any
thoughts on this?
Thanks
Randy
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using obfuscation
Hi all, I have downloaded the Metalink Notes on implementing dbms_obfuscation. I am using multiple front ends on the database, so the way I plan to implement the de-encryption is with a de-encrypt function in a view. Create View my_data AS Select de_encrypt(sensitive_data) AS sensitive_data ,other_data FROM original_table ; If I select from the view with a where clause on other_data, the response time is fine. If I select from the view with a where clause on sensitive_data, I do a full table scan and which takes about 15 minutes. The de-encrypt function is copied from a Metalink note, nothing fancy. Since I have various front ends, I can not de-encrypt the data in the front end. The only way I can think of is with the function in a view, but the response time is unacceptable. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Thanks Randy -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Steiner, Randy INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: closing DB on NT with a scheduled BATCH FILE
Is it possilbe that your issue is with the AT command? I believe ms has stopped supporting it and now wants us to use the Scheduled Tasks util, which was installed with one of the NT service packs. You might need admin rights to do this. I start and stop the db with the scripts found in metalink on doing a cold backup on NT. Randy -Original Message-From: JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:21 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: closing DB on NT with a scheduled BATCH FILE As spoken by the all-great Mladen, "convert to unix" joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/08/01 09:15AM Dear Gurus , I have a question , In fact I wonder if it is a bug of NT . I want to close and reopen database with a .BAT file . When I executethe .bat file directly it executes correctly . But When I execute it with a schedule with AT command then it connects but does not close database. How can I handle That. ? What do you do when you want to schedule startups and shutdowns of database on NT? Thank you
RE: completely off-topic question...
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RE: completely off-topic question...
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