RE: Database Health Template-OT

2003-11-21 Thread Shibu MB
Dennis ..
   
You are right ...but what can we do if  someone demands for  such a report
.. They  want to analyze and track   every info .
 
Shibu

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Shibu
   I agree with Ryan, that in a technical sense this is bogus. But I
also
feel there is a grain of truth in it. Often at its core the question
has to
do with comfort, and if recent incidents have caused a loss of
comfort, then
you get some sharp questions to answer. My strategy would be to
increase the
level of comfort, but don't commit yourself to wasting a lot of time
once
the sense of comfort returns. Here is what I would consider
legitimate:
   1. Install an alert log scanner that will email you when an error
occurs.
There are several free ones available on-line.
   2. If you've experienced a recent crash, demonstrate you are
taking
serious actions to ensure this problem doesn't recur. Actions like
monitoring.

Here is what I consider bogus:
   1. Constantly monitoring the buffer cache hit ratio.
  
Marginal - run STATSPACK at regular intervals. I have had situations
where
the database would suddenly hang or freeze or slow-down. I
found that
a couple of STATSPACK snapshots could provide a wealth of information
about
what was going on at the time of the incident. Now, my strong
preference is
to be notified so I can manually trigger these snapshots, but if it
makes
someone feel better and get off my case if I have them run at regular
intervals, then I'm okay with that.

Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Hi all,
I  am looking for a template where i can fill the
health
of the databases   daily  and send it  to my boss .Though i have
prepared
one
i still doubt i have missed some thing  :).  If anybody has any
format for
such a report please  share it .


Thanks in advance
Shibu



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RE: Database Health Template-OT

2003-11-21 Thread Shibu MB
Hi , 
  I was sending  statspack report ..but there is request for more and more ..
.. That's how  i started searching for a generalised report ...
 
Regards,
Shibu

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Hi Shibu-
Can we share your template so as to be able to fill in the gaps, and
also get
an idea of what you think a healthy DB should be like?

CSW Simon.
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Hi all,
I  am looking for a template where i can fill the
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of the databases   daily  and send it  to my boss .Though i have
prepared one
i still doubt i have missed some thing  :).  If anybody has any
format for
such a report please  share it .


Thanks in advance
Shibu



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RE: Database Health Template-OT

2003-11-21 Thread Shibu MB
Hi , 
. I was sending him thestatspack report ..but  ..u know .. he don't
understand that .. and is asking for more  reports  he wants even the
export dump file size ...:).. so i thought  i will get   a detail template
from someone else   who is alreading have such a detail report ...
 
Shibu

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these are bogus. its just about giving your boss some BS, so he goes
away. Been there, done that.

the only useful stuff to send him would be polling the alert log for
'ORA' errors, checking for chained rows as a percentage of total rows, and
check to see how much free space is in each datafile.

you can also send him statspack stuff, but he wont be able to read
it. might want to send him a max users count and stuff like that. but that
really isnt a 'health' check.

what are you sending him now? hit ratios? Those are garbage. Even
though the damn OCP test says to use them(im still annoyed by that).. its
garbage.

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 Subject: Database Health  Template-OT

 

   Hi all,
   I  am looking for a template where i can fill the
health
 of the databases   daily  and send it  to my boss .Though i have
prepared one
 i still doubt i have missed some thing  :).  If anybody has any
format for
 such a report please  share it .
   
   
   Thanks in advance
   Shibu



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RE: Database Health Template-OT

2003-11-21 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
always ... always start with requirement ... have _them_ tell you what _they_ need. 
This is entirely different than what you can provide.

Raj

Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com
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QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art !


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Hi , 
  I was sending  statspack report ..but there is request for more and more ..
.. That's how  i started searching for a generalised report ...
 
Regards,
Shibu


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RE: Database Health Template-OT

2003-11-21 Thread Robson, Peter


Just FWIW - I set up dozens of alerts on our systems, monitoring conformance
to corporate standards. So, naming standards, presence / absence of
triggers, responsibility assignements in metadata, access privs consistent
with those assignements etc etc.

For every alert test, there will be a numeric result, from 0 up to the
maximium potential (eg the total population against which each alert
exception is being tested). So the results can be expressed as percentages.
And the consolidated results of all tests is also expressed as a percentage
- ergo, the 'database health quotient'. Well of course potentially totally
misleading (must understand scope, which damagement may not), but as a
qualitative indicator, it has some use. Certainly these alerts help to draw
attention to sleepers.

You will note these alerts do NOT check the physical parameters of the db
installation, rather the data and metadata. They could of course treat the
former in the same way, however.

peter
edinburgh




 
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  but it's OEM, i've never managed to get it configured to 
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  stand alone.
 
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Re: Database Health Template-OT

2003-11-20 Thread Yechiel Adar
Paula

We are working with OEM that come with Oracle 9.0.1
(upgrade to 9.2.0.4 if the next week - hopefully).

We are working with the repository with no problems.
I defined a query that collect tablespace size and % free.
I just now used the OEM to display a chart and prepare HTML report of this
chart.
No problems.

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 I did using OEM Version 2 something on 8i databases.  Multiple agents -
got it running - agent management was rather a pain in the ##$$%%% I agree.
Still I am thinking this new version with its bells and whistles might be
better.

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RE: Database Health Template-OT

2003-11-20 Thread waibals

Hi Shibu-
Can we share your template so as to be able to fill in the gaps, and also get
an idea of what you think a healthy DB should be like?

CSW Simon.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:50 PM
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Hi all,
I  am looking for a template where i can fill the health
of the databases   daily  and send it  to my boss .Though i have prepared one
i still doubt i have missed some thing  :).  If anybody has any format for
such a report please  share it .
 
 
Thanks in advance 
Shibu



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Database Health Template-OT

2003-11-19 Thread Shibu MB
 

Hi all,
I  am looking for a template where i can fill the health
of the databases   daily  and send it  to my boss .Though i have prepared one
i still doubt i have missed some thing  :).  If anybody has any format for
such a report please  share it .
 
 
Thanks in advance 
Shibu



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Re: Database Health Template-OT

2003-11-19 Thread ryan_oracle
these are bogus. its just about giving your boss some BS, so he goes away. Been there, 
done that. 

the only useful stuff to send him would be polling the alert log for 'ORA' errors, 
checking for chained rows as a percentage of total rows, and check to see how much 
free space is in each datafile. 

you can also send him statspack stuff, but he wont be able to read it. might want to 
send him a max users count and stuff like that. but that really isnt a 'health' check.

what are you sending him now? hit ratios? Those are garbage. Even though the damn OCP 
test says to use them(im still annoyed by that).. its garbage. 
 
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   Hi all,
   I  am looking for a template where i can fill the health
 of the databases   daily  and send it  to my boss .Though i have prepared one
 i still doubt i have missed some thing  :).  If anybody has any format for
 such a report please  share it .


   Thanks in advance 
   Shibu
 
 
 
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RE: Database Health Template-OT

2003-11-19 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Shibu
   I agree with Ryan, that in a technical sense this is bogus. But I also
feel there is a grain of truth in it. Often at its core the question has to
do with comfort, and if recent incidents have caused a loss of comfort, then
you get some sharp questions to answer. My strategy would be to increase the
level of comfort, but don't commit yourself to wasting a lot of time once
the sense of comfort returns. Here is what I would consider legitimate:
   1. Install an alert log scanner that will email you when an error occurs.
There are several free ones available on-line.
   2. If you've experienced a recent crash, demonstrate you are taking
serious actions to ensure this problem doesn't recur. Actions like
monitoring.

Here is what I consider bogus:
   1. Constantly monitoring the buffer cache hit ratio.
   
Marginal - run STATSPACK at regular intervals. I have had situations where
the database would suddenly hang or freeze or slow-down. I found that
a couple of STATSPACK snapshots could provide a wealth of information about
what was going on at the time of the incident. Now, my strong preference is
to be notified so I can manually trigger these snapshots, but if it makes
someone feel better and get off my case if I have them run at regular
intervals, then I'm okay with that.

Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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one
i still doubt i have missed some thing  :).  If anybody has any format for
such a report please  share it .
 
 
Thanks in advance 
Shibu



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RE: Database Health Template-OT

2003-11-19 Thread Paula_Stankus
Guys,

For management reporting has anyone considered OEM V9??  Has anyone installed it - do 
you know that it provides a number of reports already defined that can be setup to be 
run periodically and available on the web - all with the installation of the OEM V9?  

I was thinking this would save me a lot of time and provide web-available reporting 
for the PHB's.

Hmmm.

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Shibu
   I agree with Ryan, that in a technical sense this is bogus. But I also
feel there is a grain of truth in it. Often at its core the question has to
do with comfort, and if recent incidents have caused a loss of comfort, then
you get some sharp questions to answer. My strategy would be to increase the
level of comfort, but don't commit yourself to wasting a lot of time once
the sense of comfort returns. Here is what I would consider legitimate:
   1. Install an alert log scanner that will email you when an error occurs.
There are several free ones available on-line.
   2. If you've experienced a recent crash, demonstrate you are taking
serious actions to ensure this problem doesn't recur. Actions like
monitoring.

Here is what I consider bogus:
   1. Constantly monitoring the buffer cache hit ratio.
   
Marginal - run STATSPACK at regular intervals. I have had situations where
the database would suddenly hang or freeze or slow-down. I found that
a couple of STATSPACK snapshots could provide a wealth of information about
what was going on at the time of the incident. Now, my strong preference is
to be notified so I can manually trigger these snapshots, but if it makes
someone feel better and get off my case if I have them run at regular
intervals, then I'm okay with that.

Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Hi all,
I  am looking for a template where i can fill the health
of the databases   daily  and send it  to my boss .Though i have prepared
one
i still doubt i have missed some thing  :).  If anybody has any format for
such a report please  share it .
 
 
Thanks in advance 
Shibu



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RE: Database Health Template-OT

2003-11-19 Thread Thater, William
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 Guys,
 
 For management reporting has anyone considered OEM V9??  Has anyone
 installed it - do you know that it provides a number of reports
 already defined that can be setup to be run periodically and
 available on the web - all with the installation of the OEM V9?  

but it's OEM, i've never managed to get it configured to run other than
stand alone.
 
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RE: Database Health Template-OT

2003-11-19 Thread Paula_Stankus
I did using OEM Version 2 something on 8i databases.  Multiple agents - got it running 
- agent management was rather a pain in the ##$$%%% I agree.  Still I am thinking this 
new version with its bells and whistles might be better.

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 Guys,
 
 For management reporting has anyone considered OEM V9??  Has anyone
 installed it - do you know that it provides a number of reports
 already defined that can be setup to be run periodically and
 available on the web - all with the installation of the OEM V9?  

but it's OEM, i've never managed to get it configured to run other than
stand alone.
 
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