RE: Indexing SYS tables

2002-10-03 Thread Jesse, Rich

I'm not so sure.  I created a DESC index, but the optimizer refused to use
it in a simple query containing an ORDER BY DESC on the indexed DATE column
without hinting, even after I analyzed it (8.1.7.4 and CBO).

Without spending too much time on it, I created a good ol' fashioned b-tree
and it works like a charm.  I just need to address the issue of "Should I?"

Rich

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> -Original Message-
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> 
> Depends on the version I think.  Oracle has always
> allowed DESC indexes, but only in 9(?) is the keyword
> actually used in the index build.
> 
> hth
> connor
> 
>  --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 
> > but there is a "create index ... desc"?
> > 
> > ASC | DESC
> >  specifies whether the index should be created in
> > ascending or descending
> > order.
> >  Oracle treats descending indexes as if they were
> > function-based indexes.
> > You do not need the QUERY REWRITE or GLOBAL QUERY
> > REWRITE privileges to
> > create them, as you do with other function-based
> > indexes.
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RE: Indexing SYS tables

2002-10-03 Thread Connor McDonald

Depends on the version I think.  Oracle has always
allowed DESC indexes, but only in 9(?) is the keyword
actually used in the index build.

hth
connor

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> but there is a "create index ... desc"?
> 
> ASC | DESC
>  specifies whether the index should be created in
> ascending or descending
> order.
>  Oracle treats descending indexes as if they were
> function-based indexes.
> You do not need the QUERY REWRITE or GLOBAL QUERY
> REWRITE privileges to
> create them, as you do with other function-based
> indexes.
> 
> Chaim
> 
> 
> 
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> Yes it does, at least on my test instance.
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> Thanks!
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> > -Original Message-----
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> > Again since the indexes store the row in ordered
> fashion, I
> > guess a normal
> > index should be able to do ORDER BY DESC by
> reading backwards
> >
> > Not sure though
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> > Regards
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> > Yes, you are obviously correct.  I really need to
> RTFM.
> >   Too many
> > pots on the stove!
> >
> > Just a regular index, then.  Any other input?
> >
> > Thx!
> > Rich
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RE: Indexing SYS tables

2002-10-02 Thread Chaim . Katz


but there is a "create index ... desc"?

ASC | DESC
 specifies whether the index should be created in ascending or descending
order.
 Oracle treats descending indexes as if they were function-based indexes.
You do not need the QUERY REWRITE or GLOBAL QUERY REWRITE privileges to
create them, as you do with other function-based indexes.

Chaim




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Yes it does, at least on my test instance.

Thanks!
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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:28 PM
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> Subject: RE: Indexing SYS tables
>
>
> Again since the indexes store the row in ordered fashion, I
> guess a normal
> index should be able to do ORDER BY DESC by reading backwards
>
> Not sure though
>
> Regards
> Naveen
>
> -Original Message-
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>
> Yes, you are obviously correct.  I really need to RTFM.
>   Too many
> pots on the stove!
>
> Just a regular index, then.  Any other input?
>
> Thx!
> Rich
>
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RE: Indexing SYS tables

2002-10-01 Thread Jesse, Rich

Yes it does, at least on my test instance.

Thanks!
Rich

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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:28 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Indexing SYS tables
> 
> 
> Again since the indexes store the row in ordered fashion, I 
> guess a normal
> index should be able to do ORDER BY DESC by reading backwards
> 
> Not sure though
> 
> Regards
> Naveen
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:33 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Yes, you are obviously correct.  I really need to RTFM.  
>   Too many
> pots on the stove!
> 
> Just a regular index, then.  Any other input?
> 
> Thx!
> Rich
> 
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RE: Indexing SYS tables

2002-10-01 Thread Jesse, Rich

Thanks, Tom.  That's the kind of feedback I'm looking for.  Anyone else?

Rich

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> 
> Rich,
> 
> I think you're crazy adding indexes SYS tables.  I would *never* add
> anything to sys objects.  What are you going to do the first 
> time something
> goes wrong and you call Oracle support and you "mention" you 
> added an index
> and they say - hey, you're on your own!  Not to mention that when you
> perform an upgrade, that this index may either get lost or be 
> in the way.
> 
> No, a totally bad idea.
> 
> If anything, I would copy the audit records to a local table 
> in your schema,
> and then index that baby anyway I'd like.  That way, the 
> system objects are
> the way that Oracle inteneded them to be.
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RE: Indexing SYS tables

2002-10-01 Thread Rachel Carmichael

and the latest I have heard is that they no longer will support moving
AUD$. Even though it's listed on MetaLink


--- Inka Bezdziecka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oracle Corporation has a peculiar habit of providing scripts and
> solutions which it does not  support  officially. One of them is
> moving sys.aud$ out of SYSTEM tablespace. See note 1019377.6 on
> MetaLink.
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> inka
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> 
> Rich,
> 
> I think you're crazy adding indexes SYS tables.  I would *never* add
> anything to sys objects.  What are you going to do the first time
> something
> goes wrong and you call Oracle support and you "mention" you added an
> index
> and they say - hey, you're on your own!  Not to mention that when you
> perform an upgrade, that this index may either get lost or be in the
> way.
> 
> No, a totally bad idea.
> 
> If anything, I would copy the audit records to a local table in your
> schema,
> and then index that baby anyway I'd like.  That way, the system
> objects are
> the way that Oracle inteneded them to be.
> 
> Just my 2 cents.
> 
> Tom Mercadante
> Oracle Certified Professional
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> 
> Hey,
> 
> Anyone have any advice on indexing SYS tables?  Specifically, I've
> been
> experimenting with putting a reverse index on the TIMESTAMP# column
> of AUD$,
> since almost all of my queries against the AUD$ views end with "ORDER
> BY
> TIMESTAMP DESC".
> 
> In 8.1.7.4.0 test DBs on HP/UX, the index -- created under a non-SYS
> DBA
> schema -- works great.  I'm looking for pitfalls, but can't come up
> with any
> of my own...
> 
> TIA!
> Rich
> 
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RE: Indexing SYS tables

2002-10-01 Thread Inka Bezdziecka

Oracle Corporation has a peculiar habit of providing scripts and solutions which it 
does not  support  officially. One of them is moving sys.aud$ out of SYSTEM 
tablespace. See note 1019377.6 on MetaLink.

inka

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Rich,

I think you're crazy adding indexes SYS tables.  I would *never* add
anything to sys objects.  What are you going to do the first time something
goes wrong and you call Oracle support and you "mention" you added an index
and they say - hey, you're on your own!  Not to mention that when you
perform an upgrade, that this index may either get lost or be in the way.

No, a totally bad idea.

If anything, I would copy the audit records to a local table in your schema,
and then index that baby anyway I'd like.  That way, the system objects are
the way that Oracle inteneded them to be.

Just my 2 cents.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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Hey,

Anyone have any advice on indexing SYS tables?  Specifically, I've been
experimenting with putting a reverse index on the TIMESTAMP# column of AUD$,
since almost all of my queries against the AUD$ views end with "ORDER BY
TIMESTAMP DESC".

In 8.1.7.4.0 test DBs on HP/UX, the index -- created under a non-SYS DBA
schema -- works great.  I'm looking for pitfalls, but can't come up with any
of my own...

TIA!
Rich

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RE: Indexing SYS tables

2002-10-01 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F

Rich,

I think you're crazy adding indexes SYS tables.  I would *never* add
anything to sys objects.  What are you going to do the first time something
goes wrong and you call Oracle support and you "mention" you added an index
and they say - hey, you're on your own!  Not to mention that when you
perform an upgrade, that this index may either get lost or be in the way.

No, a totally bad idea.

If anything, I would copy the audit records to a local table in your schema,
and then index that baby anyway I'd like.  That way, the system objects are
the way that Oracle inteneded them to be.

Just my 2 cents.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hey,

Anyone have any advice on indexing SYS tables?  Specifically, I've been
experimenting with putting a reverse index on the TIMESTAMP# column of AUD$,
since almost all of my queries against the AUD$ views end with "ORDER BY
TIMESTAMP DESC".

In 8.1.7.4.0 test DBs on HP/UX, the index -- created under a non-SYS DBA
schema -- works great.  I'm looking for pitfalls, but can't come up with any
of my own...

TIA!
Rich

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RE: Indexing SYS tables

2002-10-01 Thread Naveen Nahata

Again since the indexes store the row in ordered fashion, I guess a normal
index should be able to do ORDER BY DESC by reading backwards

Not sure though

Regards
Naveen

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Yes, you are obviously correct.  I really need to RTFM.Too many
pots on the stove!

Just a regular index, then.  Any other input?

Thx!
Rich

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> -Original Message-
> From: Naveen Nahata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:49 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Indexing SYS tables
> 
> 
> Reverse key index won't help you in ORDER BY DESC, will it?
> 
> AFAIK Reverse-key index will store 'Naveen' as 'neevaN' and 
> 'Rich' as 'hciR'
> and so won't be helpful in ORDER BY DESC
> 
> Regards
> Naveen
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:58 PM
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> 
> 
> Hey,
> 
> Anyone have any advice on indexing SYS tables?  Specifically, 
> I've been
> experimenting with putting a reverse index on the TIMESTAMP# 
> column of AUD$,
> since almost all of my queries against the AUD$ views end 
> with "ORDER BY
> TIMESTAMP DESC".
> 
> In 8.1.7.4.0 test DBs on HP/UX, the index -- created under a 
> non-SYS DBA
> schema -- works great.  I'm looking for pitfalls, but can't 
> come up with any
> of my own...
> 
> TIA!
> Rich
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RE: Indexing SYS tables

2002-10-01 Thread Jesse, Rich

Yes, you are obviously correct.  I really need to RTFM.Too many
pots on the stove!

Just a regular index, then.  Any other input?

Thx!
Rich

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> -Original Message-
> From: Naveen Nahata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> 
> 
> Reverse key index won't help you in ORDER BY DESC, will it?
> 
> AFAIK Reverse-key index will store 'Naveen' as 'neevaN' and 
> 'Rich' as 'hciR'
> and so won't be helpful in ORDER BY DESC
> 
> Regards
> Naveen
> 
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> 
> Hey,
> 
> Anyone have any advice on indexing SYS tables?  Specifically, 
> I've been
> experimenting with putting a reverse index on the TIMESTAMP# 
> column of AUD$,
> since almost all of my queries against the AUD$ views end 
> with "ORDER BY
> TIMESTAMP DESC".
> 
> In 8.1.7.4.0 test DBs on HP/UX, the index -- created under a 
> non-SYS DBA
> schema -- works great.  I'm looking for pitfalls, but can't 
> come up with any
> of my own...
> 
> TIA!
> Rich
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Re: Indexing SYS tables

2002-10-01 Thread Igor Neyman

You don't need "reverse" index to do: "ORDER BY TIMSTAMP DESC".  Regular
index should do it, even if you want it "DESC".

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> Hey,
>
> Anyone have any advice on indexing SYS tables?  Specifically, I've been
> experimenting with putting a reverse index on the TIMESTAMP# column of
AUD$,
> since almost all of my queries against the AUD$ views end with "ORDER BY
> TIMESTAMP DESC".
>
> In 8.1.7.4.0 test DBs on HP/UX, the index -- created under a non-SYS DBA
> schema -- works great.  I'm looking for pitfalls, but can't come up with
any
> of my own...
>
> TIA!
> Rich
>
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RE: Indexing SYS tables

2002-10-01 Thread Naveen Nahata

Reverse key index won't help you in ORDER BY DESC, will it?

AFAIK Reverse-key index will store 'Naveen' as 'neevaN' and 'Rich' as 'hciR'
and so won't be helpful in ORDER BY DESC

Regards
Naveen

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Hey,

Anyone have any advice on indexing SYS tables?  Specifically, I've been
experimenting with putting a reverse index on the TIMESTAMP# column of AUD$,
since almost all of my queries against the AUD$ views end with "ORDER BY
TIMESTAMP DESC".

In 8.1.7.4.0 test DBs on HP/UX, the index -- created under a non-SYS DBA
schema -- works great.  I'm looking for pitfalls, but can't come up with any
of my own...

TIA!
Rich

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Indexing SYS tables

2002-10-01 Thread Jesse, Rich

Hey,

Anyone have any advice on indexing SYS tables?  Specifically, I've been
experimenting with putting a reverse index on the TIMESTAMP# column of AUD$,
since almost all of my queries against the AUD$ views end with "ORDER BY
TIMESTAMP DESC".

In 8.1.7.4.0 test DBs on HP/UX, the index -- created under a non-SYS DBA
schema -- works great.  I'm looking for pitfalls, but can't come up with any
of my own...

TIA!
Rich

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