Actually, I think following the Tao has more to do with being true, i.e. being who you are, which also naturally meshes with where nature is heading. Similar to other religions that tell you that if you follow certain precepts, you will be "purer" and therefore will be closer to heaven, God, whatever. Otherwise you are living in sin, which actually means "off the mark", like an arrow that misses its target. Asking why is good if it brings back to your self, but if you are asking why and speculating ad nauseam you are off on a tangent. Like that inner chatter we sometimes hear in our heads. That instructor was Austrian, by the way, about fifty to fifty-five years old when I took that course, which was over ten years ago. So perhaps he went through WW2 when he was a child, who knows. I am also biased, being son of two psychologists, I don't like social workers all that much precisely because they don't like to take societal context into account. Mind you a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists do the same thing, ignore the context and just try to make the better "better adjusted" - ha ha Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 3:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: OT: Effective Living Isn't that sort of like Taoism? Accept your lot, there must be good in it somewhere... Also, it seems to be the basis of many major religions to essentially never ask why. So, I guess it's a pretty popular philosophy. (Oh no, I feel a discourse by Eric coming on...) Diana Duncan TITAN Technology Partners One Copley Parkway, Ste 540 Morrisville, NC 27560 VM: 919.466.7337 x 316 F: 919.466.7427 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Kevin Kostyszyn" To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <kevin@dulcia cc: n.com> Fax to: Sent by: Subject: RE: root@fatcity. com 05/30/2001 11:02 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L This person was actually allowed to teach. Never ask why, yes that's a super philosophy on life. -----Original Message----- Patrice J Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 8:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L That's a laugh, I went to a continuing education seminar once at Carleton University, in Ottawa. The seminar was called Effective Living. The teacher was a social worker, and he emphatically told everyone NEVER to ask why, just adapt to life and keep moving... I had unreconcilable disagreements with him, I guess I don't know how to live. : ) Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -----Original Message----- From: Don Granaman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 4:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: when? 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