RE: Oracle wants your job
Danisment, 10 Centralisation will occur. 20 Distribution will occur 30 go to 10 Anyone who's been in IT for more than about 6 years will have gone through the cycle at least once. It's got more to do with management making a name for themselves than any rational argument. Money's the ONLY thing I store centrally. Because I get interest. Otherwise I'd keep it myself. When Oracle start paying me to house my data they'll have a chance. Mike -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello List, Maybe, some of you will not be agree with me, But, I think centralization will occur. Let's imagine that There is no banking system in the world and everyone keeps their money at home. And, someone claims that there will be banks and people will give money to banks. In this case, we would say 'Why'. We would say Why do I give my money to a bank ?. This is same thing for IT sector. Some of us say Why do I give my data ?. I'm saying if we give our money to a bank, why don't we give our data to data centers ? Which one is important for commercial companies, money or data ? Money is centralized, why not data ? Also, Centralized information makes societies more democratic, more clearer. Danisment This email and any attached to it are confidential and intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please let us know by telephoning or emailing the sender. You should also delete the email and any attachment from your systems and should not copy the email or any attachment or disclose their content to any other person or entity. The views expressed here are not necessarily those of Churchill Insurance Group plc or its affiliates or subsidiaries. Thank you. Churchill Insurance Group plc. Company Registration Number - 2280426. England. Registered Office: Churchill Court, Westmoreland Road, Bromley, Kent BR1 1DP. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hately Mike INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle wants your job
Hmmm...if Oracle hosts my database, and something bad happens, and it goes down for the day. Is Oracle going to pay me for the downtime? I think not. Is Oracle going to reimburse me for all the sales I lost? I think not. I'm sure some Oracle rep will make me all kinds of promises that they will fix their process so it will never happen again. Not. If the data is in house then someone can be held accountable. Procedures can be updated. As for your money example, if I didn't need a checking account (for checks), a credit card, a mortage, a car loan, then I wouldn't need a bank, and all my money would be stuffed under my...so if banks all of sudden appeared, then yes, I would put my money into a bank, because I need all those services that the bank provides. Besides, technology is already kicking in that some stores (in Seattle) are accepting your fingerprint as your form of payment. You setup an account with the store and tie your fingerprint to a credit card. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello List, Maybe, some of you will not be agree with me, But, I think centralization will occur. Let's imagine that There is no banking system in the world and everyone keeps their money at home. And, someone claims that there will be banks and people will give money to banks. In this case, we would say 'Why'. We would say Why do I give my money to a bank ?. This is same thing for IT sector. Some of us say Why do I give my data ?. I'm saying if we give our money to a bank, why don't we give our data to data centers ? Which one is important for commercial companies, money or data ? Money is centralized, why not data ? Also, Centralized information makes societies more democratic, more clearer. Danisment [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared, The other problem with outsourcing, which we've run head on into, is that an ASP wants you to run the application plain vanilla. Customization of an application to fit your business/needs is one area they really do not like to handle. Makes upgrading a pain in the *^, which means some of your clients are running PeopleSoft 7 while the remainder are on Peoplesoft 8. Also your patch levels will vary, due to the customization. Hence, if you need to customize you can't outsource. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/30/2002 7:08 AM RANT This has all been tried before, and the predictions are the same: financial nirvana, big savings in technology costs, no pesky holier-than-thou DBA's baffling poor damagers with stuff they can't possibly understand. /RANT Very few executive, managers or DBA's are going to want to place their corporate data on Oracle's site, or even provide access to it from outside for non-employees. There's also the whipping boy factor. Who's butt you going to kick when the database is screwed up? ;) Heard a good quote on a documentary the other night: A corporation has no soul to save nor an ass to kick. Someone local must be accountable for the data. The whole outsourcing thing is kind of baffling to me at times. Why not carry it out its fullest measure? Outsource mfg, sales, IT, design and executives. No need for any employees. Guess I turned of the rant too soon. Jared On Tuesday 30 April 2002 06:44, Farnsworth, Dave wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/se/xml/02/04/29/020429seoracle.xml Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Danisment Gazi Unal http://www.ubTools.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Danisment Gazi
RE: Oracle wants your job
Chris, Our company as well as many others do host databases for our customers and yes we have SLA's which specify financial costs associated with not meeting them. Oracle is not doing anything new in this sense. Thanks, Ethan Post perotdba (AIM), epost1 (Yahoo) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hmmm...if Oracle hosts my database, and something bad happens, and it goes down for the day. Is Oracle going to pay me for the downtime? I think not. Is Oracle going to reimburse me for all the sales I lost? I think not. I'm sure some Oracle rep will make me all kinds of promises that they will fix their process so it will never happen again. Not. If the data is in house then someone can be held accountable. Procedures can be updated. As for your money example, if I didn't need a checking account (for checks), a credit card, a mortage, a car loan, then I wouldn't need a bank, and all my money would be stuffed under my...so if banks all of sudden appeared, then yes, I would put my money into a bank, because I need all those services that the bank provides. Besides, technology is already kicking in that some stores (in Seattle) are accepting your fingerprint as your form of payment. You setup an account with the store and tie your fingerprint to a credit card. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Post, Ethan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle wants your job
In terms of adding information to this discussion, here is an article in Infoworld. You'll have to paste the URL back together. http://www.infoworld.com/articles/se/xml/02/04/29/020429seoracle.xml The sentence that caught my eye is: Just when we thought we had seen them all, a new twist to outsourcing comes along, labeled . . . . -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Oracle wants your job
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/se/xml/02/04/29/020429seoracle.xml Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle wants your job
RANT This has all been tried before, and the predictions are the same: financial nirvana, big savings in technology costs, no pesky holier-than-thou DBA's baffling poor damagers with stuff they can't possibly understand. /RANT Very few executive, managers or DBA's are going to want to place their corporate data on Oracle's site, or even provide access to it from outside for non-employees. There's also the whipping boy factor. Who's butt you going to kick when the database is screwed up? ;) Heard a good quote on a documentary the other night: A corporation has no soul to save nor an ass to kick. Someone local must be accountable for the data. The whole outsourcing thing is kind of baffling to me at times. Why not carry it out its fullest measure? Outsource mfg, sales, IT, design and executives. No need for any employees. Guess I turned of the rant too soon. Jared On Tuesday 30 April 2002 06:44, Farnsworth, Dave wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/se/xml/02/04/29/020429seoracle.xml Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle wants your job
My daughter works for a large retailer here in Minneapolis, MN. They got one of these big outfits that promised them the moon, etc. The companies initials are IBwhatever. Guess who the call when they can't figure out something? The IS staff. Big deal! Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:08 AM RANT This has all been tried before, and the predictions are the same: financial nirvana, big savings in technology costs, no pesky holier-than-thou DBA's baffling poor damagers with stuff they can't possibly understand. /RANT Very few executive, managers or DBA's are going to want to place their corporate data on Oracle's site, or even provide access to it from outside for non-employees. There's also the whipping boy factor. Who's butt you going to kick when the database is screwed up? ;) Heard a good quote on a documentary the other night: A corporation has no soul to save nor an ass to kick. Someone local must be accountable for the data. The whole outsourcing thing is kind of baffling to me at times. Why not carry it out its fullest measure? Outsource mfg, sales, IT, design and executives. No need for any employees. Guess I turned of the rant too soon. Jared On Tuesday 30 April 2002 06:44, Farnsworth, Dave wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/se/xml/02/04/29/020429seoracle.xml Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: KENNETH JANUSZ INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re[2]: Oracle wants your job
Jared, The other problem with outsourcing, which we've run head on into, is that an ASP wants you to run the application plain vanilla. Customization of an application to fit your business/needs is one area they really do not like to handle. Makes upgrading a pain in the *^, which means some of your clients are running PeopleSoft 7 while the remainder are on Peoplesoft 8. Also your patch levels will vary, due to the customization. Hence, if you need to customize you can't outsource. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/30/2002 7:08 AM RANT This has all been tried before, and the predictions are the same: financial nirvana, big savings in technology costs, no pesky holier-than-thou DBA's baffling poor damagers with stuff they can't possibly understand. /RANT Very few executive, managers or DBA's are going to want to place their corporate data on Oracle's site, or even provide access to it from outside for non-employees. There's also the whipping boy factor. Who's butt you going to kick when the database is screwed up? ;) Heard a good quote on a documentary the other night: A corporation has no soul to save nor an ass to kick. Someone local must be accountable for the data. The whole outsourcing thing is kind of baffling to me at times. Why not carry it out its fullest measure? Outsource mfg, sales, IT, design and executives. No need for any employees. Guess I turned of the rant too soon. Jared On Tuesday 30 April 2002 06:44, Farnsworth, Dave wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/se/xml/02/04/29/020429seoracle.xml Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle wants your job
My browser says page not found. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L http://www.infoworld.com/articles/se/xml/02/04/29/020429seoracle.xml Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re[2]: Oracle wants your job
Good points all. Reminds me of Larry E's statement last year that businesses should be run the way the software works: no customizations. Can you see why he said that? :) Oracle corp knows best. Jared On Tuesday 30 April 2002 07:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared, The other problem with outsourcing, which we've run head on into, is that an ASP wants you to run the application plain vanilla. Customization of an application to fit your business/needs is one area they really do not like to handle. Makes upgrading a pain in the *^, which means some of your clients are running PeopleSoft 7 while the remainder are on Peoplesoft 8. Also your patch levels will vary, due to the customization. Hence, if you need to customize you can't outsource. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Subject:Re: Oracle wants your job Author: Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/30/2002 7:08 AM RANT This has all been tried before, and the predictions are the same: financial nirvana, big savings in technology costs, no pesky holier-than-thou DBA's baffling poor damagers with stuff they can't possibly understand. /RANT Very few executive, managers or DBA's are going to want to place their corporate data on Oracle's site, or even provide access to it from outside for non-employees. There's also the whipping boy factor. Who's butt you going to kick when the database is screwed up? ;) Heard a good quote on a documentary the other night: A corporation has no soul to save nor an ass to kick. Someone local must be accountable for the data. The whole outsourcing thing is kind of baffling to me at times. Why not carry it out its fullest measure? Outsource mfg, sales, IT, design and executives. No need for any employees. Guess I turned of the rant too soon. Jared On Tuesday 30 April 2002 06:44, Farnsworth, Dave wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/se/xml/02/04/29/020429seoracle.xml Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle wants your job
Me thinks this is related to all the other hot topics out there... Centralize the computers, then another CIO comes in, decentralize all the computers...every division gets there own...a genius. IT is outsourced, problems, slow response, a new CIO comes in, let's bring everything in house under our control...a genius. One big computer that runs everything, now the apps are being spread out among a bunch of computers... Meanwhile, all the peons get kicked around, while dgmt gets bonuses and perks...for being a genius. History repeats itself... -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L RANT This has all been tried before, and the predictions are the same: financial nirvana, big savings in technology costs, no pesky holier-than-thou DBA's baffling poor damagers with stuff they can't possibly understand. /RANT Very few executive, managers or DBA's are going to want to place their corporate data on Oracle's site, or even provide access to it from outside for non-employees. There's also the whipping boy factor. Who's butt you going to kick when the database is screwed up? ;) Heard a good quote on a documentary the other night: A corporation has no soul to save nor an ass to kick. Someone local must be accountable for the data. The whole outsourcing thing is kind of baffling to me at times. Why not carry it out its fullest measure? Outsource mfg, sales, IT, design and executives. No need for any employees. Guess I turned of the rant too soon. Jared On Tuesday 30 April 2002 06:44, Farnsworth, Dave wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/se/xml/02/04/29/020429seoracle.xml Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Grabowy, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re[4]: Oracle wants your job
Curiously, as an ASP we've been contracted by some organizations for just that reason. Someone in upper management decides that their ability to enhance shareholder value is hindered by their current business rules. So they mandate using our application with little or no customization, driving their organization to shoehorn their business into rules that we support. It works well for that manager because we get positioned as the bad guys while he gets to reorganize his business without even attending the meetings where all the heated discussions take place. What a way to make a living J Good points all. J Reminds me of Larry E's statement last year that businesses J should be run the way the software works: no customizations. J Can you see why he said that? :) J Oracle corp knows best. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robert Eskridge INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle wants your job
Hello List, Maybe, some of you will not be agree with me, But, I think centralization will occur. Let's imagine that There is no banking system in the world and everyone keeps their money at home. And, someone claims that there will be banks and people will give money to banks. In this case, we would say 'Why'. We would say Why do I give my money to a bank ?. This is same thing for IT sector. Some of us say Why do I give my data ?. I'm saying if we give our money to a bank, why don't we give our data to data centers ? Which one is important for commercial companies, money or data ? Money is centralized, why not data ? Also, Centralized information makes societies more democratic, more clearer. Danisment [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared, The other problem with outsourcing, which we've run head on into, is that an ASP wants you to run the application plain vanilla. Customization of an application to fit your business/needs is one area they really do not like to handle. Makes upgrading a pain in the *^, which means some of your clients are running PeopleSoft 7 while the remainder are on Peoplesoft 8. Also your patch levels will vary, due to the customization. Hence, if you need to customize you can't outsource. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/30/2002 7:08 AM RANT This has all been tried before, and the predictions are the same: financial nirvana, big savings in technology costs, no pesky holier-than-thou DBA's baffling poor damagers with stuff they can't possibly understand. /RANT Very few executive, managers or DBA's are going to want to place their corporate data on Oracle's site, or even provide access to it from outside for non-employees. There's also the whipping boy factor. Who's butt you going to kick when the database is screwed up? ;) Heard a good quote on a documentary the other night: A corporation has no soul to save nor an ass to kick. Someone local must be accountable for the data. The whole outsourcing thing is kind of baffling to me at times. Why not carry it out its fullest measure? Outsource mfg, sales, IT, design and executives. No need for any employees. Guess I turned of the rant too soon. Jared On Tuesday 30 April 2002 06:44, Farnsworth, Dave wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/se/xml/02/04/29/020429seoracle.xml Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Danisment Gazi Unal http://www.ubTools.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Danisment Gazi Unal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle wants your job
Title: RE: Oracle wants your job You are correct about one thing - some of us will not agree with you especially about centralized information and democracy. Jerry Whittle ACIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 -Original Message- From: Danisment Gazi Unal [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hello List, Maybe, some of you will not be agree with me, But, I think centralization will occur. snip Also, Centralized information makes societies more democratic, more clearer. Danisment
