RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
We use some of those, too. DBArtisan is primarily used by the Sybase and SQL Server DBAs. It has a couple of quirks when connected to Oracle. ER/Studio is our modelling tool, and we're looking at Change Manager for source control. We have inquired about Performance Center, but it is still pretty new. For the money though, they do prove to be very useful. Lisa -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Embarcadero products? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We are using OEM currently on our Oracle environments. However, we have about 100 Sybase servers and about 10 Microsoft SQL Server servers in addition to the 20 or so Oracle instances we have. There are only 6 of us supporting all these environments, and not everybody is knowledgeable in all the dbms'. What we'd like to get is a proactive monitoring tool that can be used for all of our databases. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
We are using OEM currently on our Oracle environments. However, we have about 100 Sybase servers and about 10 Microsoft SQL Server servers in addition to the 20 or so Oracle instances we have. There are only 6 of us supporting all these environments, and not everybody is knowledgeable in all the dbms'. What we'd like to get is a proactive monitoring tool that can be used for all of our databases. If I could get OEM to monitor the others, I would! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have evaluated I/Watch and it was pretty good. Especially with Spotlight. I have actually seen Spotlight help me quickly identify a problem which I am not sure I could have found so easily with out the visual picture. I had both tools for about 3 months but could not get anyone to agree to the bucks. Depending on what you are looking for out of OEM it really is not a bad tool. It is the one that is the least intrusive on your servers and you need not create objects in your database for it. Thing I learned though is to make sure you set up warnings for email and not page. Really annoying when you get paged at 3AM cause a tablespace is 80% full. Ya, so, tell me tomorrow. Make sure you do not have alert log monitoring on for development systems. If you do you may be tempted to kill your developers. It might not be the best tool out there but if you work with the right versions of Oracle and use the OEM agents for 8.1.7 or 9i its pretty good. It does not have those problems of not being able to deregister and all that fun stuff that existing in 8. Don't forget that the agents do not have be the same version as the database. -Original Message- WILLIAMS Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences. My question on this topic is what tools are appropriate for what environments? Some tools seem more extensive (and expensive) and therefore appropriate to sites with many Oracle instances. I am currently responsible for 5 production instances all at our HQ datacenter. On those rare occasions when something goes down, some usually quickly contacts me, so I haven't felt the need for a monitoring tool. However, we are discussing a project to put servers in a handful of manufacturing plants and they would be more 23x7 situations, so I have been reviewing OEM (it fails a lot more often than the instance, I'm not about to turn on its remote notification). Naturally vendors will claim that their product is just ideal for your type of site. Does anyone have any input on which monitoring tools are appropriate for sites with a smaller number of Oracle instances? Thanks. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I second that, too long to list the problems I had w/ CA Unicenter, worthless expensive product. CA touts their product to top management, then you get the call to implement. Just my $.02, since you asked :) Gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04/01 08:35PM CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks. CA sucks. Stay away. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
Embarcadero products? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We are using OEM currently on our Oracle environments. However, we have about 100 Sybase servers and about 10 Microsoft SQL Server servers in addition to the 20 or so Oracle instances we have. There are only 6 of us supporting all these environments, and not everybody is knowledgeable in all the dbms'. What we'd like to get is a proactive monitoring tool that can be used for all of our databases. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
Lisa, Have you seen or heard of NORAD (Surveillance Module)? Currently you can monitor: Database: O/S: Oracle NT/2000 Sybase HP/UX SQLServer Solaris AIX LINUX All from the same client console. Support is a LOT better than CA provide, the tool installs in around 20 minutes per server to get full functionality, and the price is very reasonable. More operating systems are going to be supported in the coming 1st and 2nd Q's of 2002. You can take a look at it here: www.cool-tools.co.uk/Products/surveillance.html Or download the datasheet www.cool-tools.co.uk/Products/Docs/NORADSurveillance.pdf Or for the O/S Database module: www.cool-tools.co.uk/Products/Docs/NORADIAS.pdf You also only buy the server licenses, so you can install the client software anywhere you wish. These clients will all be able to see all of the server agents over the network, meaning you can share alerts/info across the groups with ease, whilst only alerting the specific group responsible if you wish. Sound like it fits the bill? If so let me know, and I will get somebody in touch with you about it - you are in the States right? Regards Mark === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput performance -Original Message- Sent: 05 December 2001 03:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tools! Tools! Tools! Did you look at Quest at all? -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 12/4/01 5:35 PM CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks. CA sucks. Stay away. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Wong, Bing INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
I second that, too long to list the problems I had w/ CA Unicenter, worthless expensive product. CA touts their product to top management, then you get the call to implement. Just my $.02, since you asked :) Gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04/01 08:35PM CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks. CA sucks. Stay away. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
HI Lisa, We don't use Xray or CA unicenter but we use Patrol from BMC with UNIX,NT and the Oracle Availability Suite. Installation is straight forward and support is great. Does allot of proactive monitoring. The psl programming language is easy for customization. It comes packaged with Centuari Alarm manage from proxima technology that has a web plugin so you can get information on your machines from anywhere if you get an alarm. Michael Koniszewski D.B.A. FairPoint Communications 518-242-5922 -Original Message- From: YTTRI Lisa [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Koniszewski, Mike INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences. My question on this topic is what tools are appropriate for what environments? Some tools seem more extensive (and expensive) and therefore appropriate to sites with many Oracle instances. I am currently responsible for 5 production instances all at our HQ datacenter. On those rare occasions when something goes down, some usually quickly contacts me, so I haven't felt the need for a monitoring tool. However, we are discussing a project to put servers in a handful of manufacturing plants and they would be more 23x7 situations, so I have been reviewing OEM (it fails a lot more often than the instance, I'm not about to turn on its remote notification). Naturally vendors will claim that their product is just ideal for your type of site. Does anyone have any input on which monitoring tools are appropriate for sites with a smaller number of Oracle instances? Thanks. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I second that, too long to list the problems I had w/ CA Unicenter, worthless expensive product. CA touts their product to top management, then you get the call to implement. Just my $.02, since you asked :) Gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04/01 08:35PM CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks. CA sucks. Stay away. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
Lisa I didn't get the opportunity to work with BMC, but was somewhat involved in the selection process for enterprise monitoring tools a couple of jobs ago. BMC Patrol ( or whatever it may be called now ) was very impressive. I had lots of questions, and everything I asked, it was already setup to do. It will handle various databases, and will also monitor the OS. Wanna keep an eye on the page scan rate on Solaris? They already have it if you want it. If you think of something it can't do, they have a scripting language to build it yourself. ( too bad it wasn't perl ) It was the most capable tool I've seen. If others with experience recommend it it would be a candidate for closer scrutiny. Bring a lot of cash though if you plan to use it. Jared YTTRI Lisa lisa.yttri@cn To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] h.com cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 12/04/01 02:00 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Ideally, we'd like to find a common tool to monitor Oracle, Sybase and SQL Server databases running on both NT and Unix platforms. There are separate groups that are responsible for NT support and Unix support. If we could all use the same tool, we'd be delighted, but if not, then one tool for all databases would be our next choice. -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa, What are you trying to monitor - just Oracle databases, the OS as well (if so which OS) and anything else? We use the Watchdog functionality (part of CA Unicenter) to monitor our VMS servers (where we don't run Oracle) and it good for that. It depends on what you are trying to achieve. HTH, Bruce Reardon -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2001 7:25 Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
We looked at Quest extensively, and even began rolling it out. I/Watch fell apart at the seams when we tried to scale... Jim __ Jim Hawkins Oracle Database Administrator Data Management Center of Expertise Pharmacia Corporation 800 North Lindbergh Blvd. St. Louis, Missouri 63167 Work (314) 694-4417 Cellular (314) 724-9664 Pager (314) 294-9797 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tools! Tools! Tools! Did you look at Quest at all? -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 12/4/01 5:35 PM CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks. CA sucks. Stay away. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Wong, Bing INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: HAWKINS, JAMES W [IT/1000] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
We looked at Quest extensively, and even began rolling it out. I/Watch fell apart at the seams when we tried to scale... Jim __ Jim Hawkins Oracle Database Administrator Data Management Center of Expertise Pharmacia Corporation 800 North Lindbergh Blvd. St. Louis, Missouri 63167 Work (314) 694-4417 Cellular (314) 724-9664 Pager (314) 294-9797 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tools! Tools! Tools! Did you look at Quest at all? -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 12/4/01 5:35 PM CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks. CA sucks. Stay away. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Wong, Bing INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: HAWKINS, JAMES W [IT/1000] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
I have evaluated I/Watch and it was pretty good. Especially with Spotlight. I have actually seen Spotlight help me quickly identify a problem which I am not sure I could have found so easily with out the visual picture. I had both tools for about 3 months but could not get anyone to agree to the bucks. Depending on what you are looking for out of OEM it really is not a bad tool. It is the one that is the least intrusive on your servers and you need not create objects in your database for it. Thing I learned though is to make sure you set up warnings for email and not page. Really annoying when you get paged at 3AM cause a tablespace is 80% full. Ya, so, tell me tomorrow. Make sure you do not have alert log monitoring on for development systems. If you do you may be tempted to kill your developers. It might not be the best tool out there but if you work with the right versions of Oracle and use the OEM agents for 8.1.7 or 9i its pretty good. It does not have those problems of not being able to deregister and all that fun stuff that existing in 8. Don't forget that the agents do not have be the same version as the database. -Original Message- WILLIAMS Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences. My question on this topic is what tools are appropriate for what environments? Some tools seem more extensive (and expensive) and therefore appropriate to sites with many Oracle instances. I am currently responsible for 5 production instances all at our HQ datacenter. On those rare occasions when something goes down, some usually quickly contacts me, so I haven't felt the need for a monitoring tool. However, we are discussing a project to put servers in a handful of manufacturing plants and they would be more 23x7 situations, so I have been reviewing OEM (it fails a lot more often than the instance, I'm not about to turn on its remote notification). Naturally vendors will claim that their product is just ideal for your type of site. Does anyone have any input on which monitoring tools are appropriate for sites with a smaller number of Oracle instances? Thanks. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I second that, too long to list the problems I had w/ CA Unicenter, worthless expensive product. CA touts their product to top management, then you get the call to implement. Just my $.02, since you asked :) Gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04/01 08:35PM CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks. CA sucks. Stay away. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
Title: RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter Hi Lisa, CA Unicenter has been a source of many nightmares and sleepless nights in the past for me. I was very glad when I quit that job... Just my .02 Lisa Koivu Certified Monkey Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 954-935-4117 -Original Message- From: YTTRI Lisa [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
Lisa, What are you trying to monitor - just Oracle databases, the OS as well (if so which OS) and anything else? We use the Watchdog functionality (part of CA Unicenter) to monitor our VMS servers (where we don't run Oracle) and it good for that. It depends on what you are trying to achieve. HTH, Bruce Reardon -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2001 7:25 Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
Title: RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter That's the kind of .02 I'm looking for. I don't need any more nightmares .was it bad from an installation perspective or usage? thanks! -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:49 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter Hi Lisa, CA Unicenter has been a source of many nightmares and sleepless nights in the past for me. I was very glad when I quit that job... Just my .02 Lisa Koivu Certified Monkey Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 954-935-4117 -Original Message- From: YTTRI Lisa [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
Title: RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter Lisa, We are now concluding a very lengthy selection process, and it looks like we will go with BMC Patrol/DB X-Ray. We refuse to do business with CA, and had a very bad experience with Quest I/Watch. None of these are easy to roll-out enterprise wide, but the functionality is exhaustive. Jim __ Jim Hawkins Oracle Database Administrator Data Management Center of Expertise Pharmacia Corporation 800 North Lindbergh Blvd. St. Louis, Missouri 63167 Work (314) 694-4417 Cellular (314) 724-9664 Pager (314) 294-9797 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:41 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter Hi Lisa, CA Unicenter has been a source of many nightmares and sleepless nights in the past for me. I was very glad when I quit that job... Just my .02 Lisa Koivu Certified Monkey Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 954-935-4117 -Original Message- From: YTTRI Lisa [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
Ideally, we'd like to find a common tool to monitor Oracle, Sybase and SQL Server databases running on both NT and Unix platforms. There are separate groups that are responsible for NT support and Unix support. If we could all use the same tool, we'd be delighted, but if not, then one tool for all databases would be our next choice. -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa, What are you trying to monitor - just Oracle databases, the OS as well (if so which OS) and anything else? We use the Watchdog functionality (part of CA Unicenter) to monitor our VMS servers (where we don't run Oracle) and it good for that. It depends on what you are trying to achieve. HTH, Bruce Reardon -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2001 7:25 Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks. CA sucks. Stay away. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
Tools! Tools! Tools! Did you look at Quest at all? -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 12/4/01 5:35 PM CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks. CA sucks. Stay away. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi - Does anyone have experience with either of these products? I'm interested in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support. I realize they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot. I've been asked to look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about them. Thanks much - Lisa -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: YTTRI Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Wong, Bing INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
