Re: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
On Friday 17 August 2001 07:36, Kevin Lange wrote: I have been collecting commodores and Apples for a while to keep in my own PC museum. I have been looking for a good working TRS-80. Too bad I divested myself of most of my Radio Shack computers. Model 16 running Xenix Model 3 with 48k and a 10 meg hard drive Color Computer with 5meg HD and OS/9 Model 100 with floppy. Still have this one and it still works. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
It's not actually too difficult to do this, if you have some hardware with lots of CPUs. With Solaris 8, you can create processor sets, grouping a number of CPUs together, then running processes on those CPUs, they will not get any cycles scheduled on other CPUs in the system. This is different from Logical Partitions, because it only affects CPU, not memory, disks, etc. See psrset(1M) for more details. It would be trivial to script the creation of different sized groups, start Oracle on a group and run a benchmark, shut down and resize the group and so forth. The concurrency of the application makes a huge difference. My multithreaded application, with a single open connection to Oracle performing transactions sequentially is capable of 7.8 (fairly involved) transactions/sec on a quad-SPARC. But, through experimentation, I have discovered that, in my specific case, having 33 connections and transactions running in parallel gives me optimal performance (over 26 transactions/sec, the bottleneck is now disk I/O). Transactions per thread per second went down from 7.8 to 0.79, of course, but overall throughput was massively improved. The moral of this story is, performance is a subtle art, and can often be counter-intuitive unless you understand the underlying principles. g -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Of course, it would be rather nice to be able to set up an entire environment with a high-stress application, and then run a test which kept the total available MHz constant but changed the number of chips. But even then you'd have to be very careful about what it was you were actually measuring. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Guy Hammond INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
LOL A neighbor of mine had an original IBM PC, 64K RAM, 160Kbyte single-sided floppy, and the cassette port on the back so you could hook up a cassette recorder/play for data storage and retrieval, BASIC on EPROM. He wondered if the Smithsonian was interested. An old college classmate happened to be in charge of technology acquisitions for the Smithsonian so I gave him a call. He said that that was nice and maybe my neighbor could find a museum home for it elsewhere but that the Smithsonian already had 6 of them and was not interested. If your friend can find a place that will accept it he might be able to take a tax deduction for the donation but I doubt if anyone will actually PAY for it. Christopher Spence To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L cspence@Fuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Spot.comcc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' root@fatcity. com 08/17/2001 09:31 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L A friend of mine has an IBM XT with a 3 digit serial number. He has been saving it for it to be bought from him for big money for a musuem Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L That's nothing, I've got 3 486's in my garage. Stephen If you have any questions, please feel free to call me or drop me a note. Stephen Andert 480-445-2506 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/01 01:06PM i got a 75Mhz pentium sitting in my desk drawer :) joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/01 03:45PM -Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' For example. 100MHz Pentium is no where near 1/15 the speed of the 1.5GHz AMD. So it remains a very difficult test to make. Where in the world did you come across 100MHZ Pentium? Natural history museum, next to the T-Rex skeleton? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
Title: Message I have been collecting commodores and Apples for a while to keep in my own PC museum. I have been looking for a good working TRS-80. -Original Message-From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 8:31 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' A friend of mine has an IBM XT with a 3 digit serial number. He has been saving it for it to be bought from him for big money for a musuem "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message-From: Stephen Andert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:05 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' That's nothing, I've got 3 486's in my garage. Stephen If you have any questions, please feel free to call me or drop me a note. Stephen Andert480-445-2506 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/01 01:06PM i got a 75Mhz pentium sitting in my desk drawer :) joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/01 03:45PM -Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' For example. 100MHz Pentium is no where near 1/15 the speed of the 1.5GHz AMD. So it remains a very difficult test to make. Where in the world did you come across 100MHZ Pentium? Natural historymuseum,next to the T-Rex skeleton?-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 06:36:42AM -0800, Kevin Lange wrote: I have been collecting commodores and Apples for a while to keep in my own PC museum. I have been looking for a good working TRS-80. -- Speaking of museums, I took my daughter to the National Museum of American History a few weeks ago, and they have some pretty neat stuff there; eniac, altair, enigma, all the big names you read about or used ;) http://americanhistory.si.edu/csr/comphist/ I was stopped in my tracks by the glass case that held the rolled up wire that Bell called Watson over. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
90MHZ Pentium which could do 3 arithmetic operations with the numbers, i.e. everything short of dividing two numbers correctly is still my favorite. -Original Message- From: Ray Stell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:52 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 06:36:42AM -0800, Kevin Lange wrote: I have been collecting commodores and Apples for a while to keep in my own PC museum. I have been looking for a good working TRS-80. -- Speaking of museums, I took my daughter to the National Museum of American History a few weeks ago, and they have some pretty neat stuff there; eniac, altair, enigma, all the big names you read about or used ;) http://americanhistory.si.edu/csr/comphist/ I was stopped in my tracks by the glass case that held the rolled up wire that Bell called Watson over. === Ray Stell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (540) 231-4109 KE4TJC28^D -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ray Stell INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
-Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:16 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' Well, I just got this book, and just started reading through it. Looks good so far. Just would like to comment on something I saw. Must say BookPool.com is so awesome. 40% off most books (which I bought three this time) and paid $4 for 5 day shipping yet I get it the next day on my doorstep. Got to love that. Page 28: I will quote: A greater number of slower CPU's is often better than a fewer number of faster ones. To some extent I believe this is true especially with the efficient use of caching in most OS's. But with the larger caches on unix cpu's, 4Mb, 8Mb. There is a loss of performance when a process runs on a cpu, then context switches and then placed on another cpu. All the cached tlb's are then sitting on another cpu and need to be reloaded. Although the os will try to reschedule recently run processes on the same cpu, that doesn't always happen on a busy system. Also the fact that faster cpu's return the processes back faster. Although on the other hand, with more cpu's, more can get done simultaneously but at a slower rate. And there would be fewer context switches with many more cpu's. You, of course are right. SMP is an overhead. The additional problem with the slower CPUs is that the bus on the machine is usually slower then on newer machines with the screamingly fast CPUs. Slower bus and oracle means that large scatter/gather ISO and memory requests will compete for the bus resources slowing the machine down. Interrupt arbitration (the time spent by the system bus (a.k.a. chipset) to decide which CPU should be honored by the pending interrupt) is also a huge drain on the slower buses. That can bring systems with the slower buses to the grinding halt. One needs buses and OSes which support memory mapped access (IntelliIO,NgenIO) and large quantities of IO per second all while featuring advanced CPU cache interconnects which will diminish the impact of cache synchronization on the system. It is worth noting that oracle, nd the same applies to all huge software systems, does not make very good or efficient use of CPU caches. With oracle, cache flushes and invalidations will happen frequently, as well as TLB invalidations and flushes. In order to behave well on virtual memory systems, it is necessary that the programs obey the locality of reference principle, which is very hard to do if you are using a huge software system written thousands of programmers and using thousands of subroutines. With oracle, modern super pipelined, super scalar chips with several execution streams will not do much. The thing that counts is the raw chip frequency and the speed of memory access (DDRAM,EDO,Rambus). To make a long story short, I do prefer a system with more fast CPUs over the system with fewer fast CPUs because the architecture improvements on the modern buses are amazing and must be used. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
I don't know how bookpool does it - it's been at deep discounts since publication, whereas Amazon managed to cut it by 10% for about two weeks in 9 months. A comment like yours came up on the comp.databases.oracle.server newsgroup very soon after the book came out. The convenient weasel word is of course the 'often'. I had forgotten when I wrote it that Steve had made exactly the opposite comment; however, there is room for both of us to be correct. The effect is application-dependent. Cary Millsap has an article on his website www.hotsos.com which describes a case where upgrading the CPUs to a higher speed (same number) resulted in the OLTP users complaining about a drop in performance. The bottom line is that queuing theory always kicks in when you have a small number of resources and a large number of users. The effect can be exaggerated when the unit of resource offered is significantly larger than the amount of resource that many of the users can take advantage of. This, of course is the argument in the second part of your note. Of course, it would be rather nice to be able to set up an entire environment with a high-stress application, and then run a test which kept the total available MHz constant but changed the number of chips. But even then you'd have to be very careful about what it was you were actually measuring. Any volunteers with a couple of megabuck's of hardware and a few weeks of HR to spare ? (Preferably in an interesting part of the world, and I'd supervise the tests). Jonathan Lewis Seminars on getting the best out of Oracle Last few places available for Sept 10th/11th See http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16 August 2001 06:04 |Must say BookPool.com is so awesome. 40% off most books (which I bought |three this time) and paid $4 for 5 day shipping yet I get it the next day on |my doorstep. Got to love that. | |Page 28: | |I will quote: | |A greater number of slower CPU's is often better than a fewer number of |faster ones. | | |To some extent I believe this is true especially with the efficient use of |caching in most OS's. But with the larger caches on unix cpu's, 4Mb, 8Mb. |There is a loss of performance when a process runs on a cpu, then context |switches and then placed on another cpu. All the cached tlb's are then |sitting on another cpu and need to be reloaded. Although the os will try to |reschedule recently run processes on the same cpu, that doesn't always |happen on a busy system. Also the fact that faster cpu's return the |processes back faster. | |Although on the other hand, with more cpu's, more can get done |simultaneously but at a slower rate. And there would be fewer context |switches with many more cpu's. | |Just something to think about. |-- |Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com |-- |Author: Christopher Spence | INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 |San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists | |To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message |to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in |the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L |(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may |also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
Before I reply, so far at page 100 I think the book is great. I plan on finishing it this weekend. Anyway, I agree entirely. I think it really depends. But there are strong reasons in both directions. One thing that would make that test very difficult is MHz to MHz isn't the same. For example. 100MHz Pentium is no where near 1/15 the speed of the 1.5GHz AMD. So it remains a very difficult test to make. I figured since I am so slow to actually buy your book, (which I am now regreting as it is so far very fun read), I assumed it may have already been discussed. Wondering if I am going to get a Why would we care to read this reply message for this too. Peers down to his sig quote Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't know how bookpool does it - it's been at deep discounts since publication, whereas Amazon managed to cut it by 10% for about two weeks in 9 months. A comment like yours came up on the comp.databases.oracle.server newsgroup very soon after the book came out. The convenient weasel word is of course the 'often'. I had forgotten when I wrote it that Steve had made exactly the opposite comment; however, there is room for both of us to be correct. The effect is application-dependent. Cary Millsap has an article on his website www.hotsos.com which describes a case where upgrading the CPUs to a higher speed (same number) resulted in the OLTP users complaining about a drop in performance. The bottom line is that queuing theory always kicks in when you have a small number of resources and a large number of users. The effect can be exaggerated when the unit of resource offered is significantly larger than the amount of resource that many of the users can take advantage of. This, of course is the argument in the second part of your note. Of course, it would be rather nice to be able to set up an entire environment with a high-stress application, and then run a test which kept the total available MHz constant but changed the number of chips. But even then you'd have to be very careful about what it was you were actually measuring. Any volunteers with a couple of megabuck's of hardware and a few weeks of HR to spare ? (Preferably in an interesting part of the world, and I'd supervise the tests). Jonathan Lewis Seminars on getting the best out of Oracle Last few places available for Sept 10th/11th See http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16 August 2001 06:04 |Must say BookPool.com is so awesome. 40% off most books (which I bought |three this time) and paid $4 for 5 day shipping yet I get it the next day on |my doorstep. Got to love that. | |Page 28: | |I will quote: | |A greater number of slower CPU's is often better than a fewer number of |faster ones. | | |To some extent I believe this is true especially with the efficient use of |caching in most OS's. But with the larger caches on unix cpu's, 4Mb, 8Mb. |There is a loss of performance when a process runs on a cpu, then context |switches and then placed on another cpu. All the cached tlb's are then |sitting on another cpu and need to be reloaded. Although the os will try to |reschedule recently run processes on the same cpu, that doesn't always |happen on a busy system. Also the fact that faster cpu's return the |processes back faster. | |Although on the other hand, with more cpu's, more can get done |simultaneously but at a slower rate. And there would be fewer context |switches with many more cpu's. | |Just something to think about. |-- |Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com |-- |Author: Christopher Spence | INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 |San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists | |To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message |to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the |message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of |mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP |command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an
RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
-Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' For example. 100MHz Pentium is no where near 1/15 the speed of the 1.5GHz AMD. So it remains a very difficult test to make. Where in the world did you come across 100MHZ Pentium? Natural history museum, next to the T-Rex skeleton? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
i got a 75Mhz pentium sitting in my desk drawer :) joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/01 03:45PM -Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' For example. 100MHz Pentium is no where near 1/15 the speed of the 1.5GHz AMD. So it remains a very difficult test to make. Where in the world did you come across 100MHZ Pentium? Natural historymuseum,next to the T-Rex skeleton?-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
Title: Message I just sold 5 166Mhz pentiums chips and heat sinksfor $18 at show 2 weeks ago :) "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message-From: JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:06 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' i got a 75Mhz pentium sitting in my desk drawer :) joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/01 03:45PM -Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' For example. 100MHz Pentium is no where near 1/15 the speed of the 1.5GHz AMD. So it remains a very difficult test to make. Where in the world did you come across 100MHZ Pentium? Natural historymuseum,next to the T-Rex skeleton?-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
Title: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' What wrong with a 100MHz Pentium? I still do a lot of LaTex work (and other stuff) on a 386-25. As long as the machine serves your needs and works, use it. For example. 100MHz Pentium is no where near 1/15 the speed of the 1.5GHz AMD. So it remains a very difficult test to make. Where in the world did you come across 100MHZ Pentium? Natural history museum, next to the T-Rex skeleton? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
Hey - Linux rocks on a 486DX2-66. David A. Barbour Oracle DBA, OCP AISD 512-414-1002 Gogala, Mladen To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] MGogala@oxhp. cc: com Subject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 08/16/2001 02:45 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L -Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' For example. 100MHz Pentium is no where near 1/15 the speed of the 1.5GHz AMD. So it remains a very difficult test to make. Where in the world did you come across 100MHZ Pentium? Natural history museum, next to the T-Rex skeleton? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I still have my 486 / 33MHz PC with 220 MB SCSI drive for a few odd things :) - Kirti -Original Message- From: JOE TESTA [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:06 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' i got a 75Mhz pentium sitting in my desk drawer :) joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/01 03:45PM -Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' For example. 100MHz Pentium is no where near 1/15 the speed of the 1.5GHz AMD. So it remains a very difficult test to make. Where in the world did you come across 100MHZ Pentium? Natural history museum, next to the T-Rex skeleton? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Title: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' I agree. Irecently upgraded my Eye Doctor's office server from a 386-25 with 4M of RAM and 300M of disk to an NT server. I think she liked the older system better, to no surprise. I ran 5 terminals from that machine with the Pick O/S and it worked right up until it was decommissioned. --- === Michael P. Vergara Oracle DBA Guidant Corporation (909) 914-2304 -Original Message-From: Adams, Matthew (GEA, 088130) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:13 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' What wrong with a 100MHz Pentium? I still do a lot of LaTex work (and other stuff) on a 386-25. As long as the machine serves your needs and works, use it. For example. 100MHz Pentium is no where near 1/15 the speed of the 1.5GHz AMD. So it remains a very difficult test to make. Where in the world did you come across 100MHZ Pentium? Natural history museum, next to the T-Rex skeleton? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
Bet you say that to all the girls ;) Kathy -Original Message-From: JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:06 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' i got a 75Mhz pentium sitting in my desk drawer :) joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/01 03:45PM -Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' For example. 100MHz Pentium is no where near 1/15 the speed of the 1.5GHz AMD. So it remains a very difficult test to make. Where in the world did you come across 100MHZ Pentium? Natural historymuseum,next to the T-Rex skeleton?-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ConfidentialThis e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the propertyof Belkin Components and/or its affiliates, are confidential,and are intended solely for the use of the individual orentity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not oneof the named recipients or otherwise have reason to believethat you have received this e-mail in error, please notify thesender and delete this message immediately from your computer.Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printingor copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited.
RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
Title: Message I have 2 p133 pcs at home (one running win98 for kids games, the other running linux mandrake). can you believe buy.com was selling 512MB PC133 SDRAM for $50 yesterday?! (it was their dealoftheday special and not the cheap stuff either). wow! we've come along way since I built my first pc in '91. anyone remember VESA-LB? I've still got a few of those motherboards... -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christopher SpenceSent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:19 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' I just sold 5 166Mhz pentiums chips and heat sinksfor $18 at show 2 weeks ago :) "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message-From: JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:06 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' i got a 75Mhz pentium sitting in my desk drawer :) joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/01 03:45PM -Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' For example. 100MHz Pentium is no where near 1/15 the speed of the 1.5GHz AMD. So it remains a very difficult test to make. Where in the world did you come across 100MHZ Pentium? Natural historymuseum,next to the T-Rex skeleton?-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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ROFL -Original Message-From: Kathy Duret [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:45 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' Bet you say that to all the girls ;) Kathy -Original Message-From: JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:06 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' i got a 75Mhz pentium sitting in my desk drawer :) joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/01 03:45PM -Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' For example. 100MHz Pentium is no where near 1/15 the speed of the 1.5GHz AMD. So it remains a very difficult test to make. Where in the world did you come across 100MHZ Pentium? Natural historymuseum,next to the T-Rex skeleton?-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). ConfidentialThis e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the propertyof Belkin Components and/or its affiliates, are confidential,and are intended solely for the use of the individual orentity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not oneof the named recipients or otherwise have reason to believethat you have received this e-mail in error, please notify thesender and delete this message immediately from your computer.Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printingor copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited.
RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i'
That's nothing, I've got 3 486's in my garage. Stephen If you have any questions, please feel free to call me or drop me a note. Stephen Andert480-445-2506 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/01 01:06PM i got a 75Mhz pentium sitting in my desk drawer :) joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/01 03:45PM -Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Comment on 'Practical Oracle 8i' For example. 100MHz Pentium is no where near 1/15 the speed of the 1.5GHz AMD. So it remains a very difficult test to make. Where in the world did you come across 100MHZ Pentium? Natural historymuseum,next to the T-Rex skeleton?-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
